whats happening with real digital tv

pa limerick

Does anyone know whats happening with real digital and when will it launch

Kristopherus

SFA. Even their website is piss poor on any info. Don't hold your breath !!!!

rlogue

The tests are switching to a Europe wide footprint either this week or next. Real are performing tests in Germany on the Zapper and PVR boxes and once these tests are complete the Europe wide footprint will be switched on.

12688 H 22000 FEC 2/3 is the current frequency for the German targetted tests. If this changes later I'll post those frequencies up. Essentially you'll see an MHEG 5 test screen as the real stuff needed for the tests are encrypted and usable only on a Real Digital box.

rlogue

The FEC is now 1/2. Reception on zone 1 minidishes is reported in the North of England. I'll report back when I get home tonight.

rlogue

My DVBViewer TransEdiit is showing the following:



The channels shown are data services and as such aren't visible in the standard DVBviewer application.

Kristopherus

What satellite is/will it be beamed from?

stanley1

astra/eurobird 28.2

Kristopherus

There's no transponder 12688 H on my transponder list for either of those satellites.

rlogue

You have to add it manually.

Meanwhile...the MHEG screen looks like this:

L1011

Kristopherus wrote: »

There's no transponder 12688 H on my transponder list for either of those satellites.

Because that frequency hasn't been used before. EB1 has reconfigurable virtual transponders.

Macy0161

Anything further on Real Digital? What's their latest launch date for the UK? I would've thought they'd be trying to get in ahead of a new round of FTA channels on 1N...

The Cush

Active thread over in DS - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1313867

Kristopherus

Here's the FTA list of channels that Real Digital will be broadcasting as posted on Their site last week. Nothing in it for anyone that has FTA already.


REAL DIGITAL CHANNELS LIST
10th December 2011

REAL Digital will bring you hundreds of free TV and radio stations, with the added option of pay TV channels for those who want extra. Here is a full list of all the free to air channels we'll be including from launch:

ENTERTAINMENT:
101 BBC One
102 BBC Two
103 ITV1
104 Channel 4
105 Channel 5
106 TBC (Pay TV)
107 TBC (Pay TV)
108 Information TV
109 Information TV+1
110 Showcase
111 Showcase 2
112 TBC (Pay TV)
113 TBC (Pay TV)
114 TBC (Pay TV)
115 BBC Three
116 BBC Four
117 BBC One HD
118 BBC HD
119 BBC Alba
120 ITV2
121 ITV3
122 ITV4
123 ITV1 HD/STV HD
124 Channel 4+1
125 E4
126 E4+1
127 More 4
128 More 4+1
129 Channel 4 HD
130 CBS Reality
131 CBS Reality +1
132 CBS Action
133 CBS Drama
134 True Entertainment
145 Men & Movies
146 S4C
147 ITV2+1
148 ITV3+1
149 ITV4+1
150 TBC
151 5 USA
152 5 USA+1
153 5*
154 5*+1
155 BET
156 Propeller
157 BET+1
158 OH TV
159 HiTV
160 Vox Africa
161 My Channel

MOVIES:
304 Film 4
305 Film 4+1
306 Horror Channel
307 Horror Ch+1
308 True Movies
309 True Movies 2
310 Movies4Men
311 Movies4Men+1
312 Movies4Men2
313 Movies4Men2+1

NEWS:
501 BBC News
502 BBC Parliament
503 Bloomberg
504 CNBC
505 CNN
506 NHK World HD
507 Euronews
508 CCTV News
509 Russia Today
510 France 24
511 Al Jazeera (English)
512 Press TV
513 Sky News
514 CNC World
DOCUMENTARY:
520 TBC (Pay TV)
521 TBC (Pay TV)
522 Community Chnl

REAL BOX OFFICE:
700 TBC
701 TBC
702 TBC
703 TBC
704 TBC
705 TBC

INTERNATIONAL:
780 PCNE Chinese
781 Bangla TV
782 Mta muslim TV
783 TBC
784 PTV Prime
785 MATV National
786 Abu Dhabi TV
787 Record TV
788 DM Digital
789 TBC
790 Venus TV
791 ARY QTV
792 ARY World
793 PTV Global
794 Islam Channel
795 Channel S
796 Aasha TV
797 Noor TV
798 Peace TV
799 IQRA TV
800 ATN Bangla UK
801 UMMAH CHNL
802 Sunrise TV
803 Imagine Dil Se
804 Glory TV
805 NTV
806 SupremeMastr
807 AHLULBAYT TV
808 Tadani Chnl
809 Sikh Channel
810 Peace TV Urdu
811 UCTV
812 Channel I
813 Takbeer TV
814 Sangat TV
815 DESH TV

GAMING & DATING:
820 Super Casino
821 SmartLive
822 Dating Channel
823 Gay Network
824 Chat Box
825 Flirt TV
826 GayDate TV

SPECIALIST:
840 Renault TV
841 Psychic Today
842 OceanFinance

RELIGIOUS:
880 God Channel
881 Wonderful
882 TBN Europe
883 DAYSTAR
884 Revelation
885 UCB TV
886 Inspiration
887 LOVEWORLD TV
888 EWTN
889 Gospel Channel
890 Word Network
891 Faith World TV
892 KICC TV
893 Believe TV
894 Olive TV
895 Praise TV
896 Sonlife

ADULT (PIN PROTECTED):
904 Babestation
905 Dirty Talk
906 TBC
907 Get Lucky TV
908 Lucky Star
909 Red Light 1
910 Babe Guide
911 Filth
912 Flirt TV 2
913 Gay Chat TV
914 Northern Birds
915 Essex Birds
916 Storm
917 SportxxxGirls
918 Red light 2
919 xxXpanded TV
920 Elite TV

LIFESTYLE:
200 Travel Channel
201 Travel Channel+1
202 Food Network
203 Food Network +1
204 Wedding TV
205 Body In Balance
206 Horse & Country
207 The Active Channel
208 Fitness TV
209 Holiday & Cruise

MUSIC:
343 Chartshow TV
344 The Vault
345 Flava
346 Channel AKA
347 Starz
348 Bliss
349 Scuzz
350 DanceNation TV
351 Greatest Hits TV
352 NME TV
353 Clubland TV
354 Massive R&B
355 Vintage TV
356 B4U Music
357 Music India
358 Brit Asia TV
SPORT:
401 Sky Sports 1 (Coming Soon - Pay TV)
402 Sky Sports 2 (Coming Soon - Pay TV)
403 TBC (Pay TV)
404 TBC (Pay TV)

CHILDREN:
601 TBC (Pay TV)
602 TBC (Pay TV)
603 CBBC
604 Cbeebies
605 POP
606 Tiny POP
607 Tiny POP+1
608 CITV
609 POPGirl
610 POPGirl+1
611 Kix!
612 Jazeera Children

TELESHOPPING:
640 Thane Direct
641 JML Direct
642 Argos TV
643 TV Shop
644 Ideal World
645 price-drop TV
646 Pitch TV
647 High Street TV
648 Best Direct
649 Jewellery Ch
650 Ideal Extra
651 Gems TV
652 JML Home&DIY
653 Bid TV
654 Jewellery Maker
655 Gems TV Extra
656 Pitch World
657 QVC Beauty
658 Pavers Shoes
659 QVC
660 V Channel
661 Speedauctiontv
662 Rocks & Co
663 Ideal & More
664 Create & Craft
665 TBC
666 Celebrity Shop

REGIONAL:
950 BBC 1 Scotland
951 BBC 1 Wales
952 BBC 1 N. Ireland
953 BBC 1 London
954 BBC 1 North East
955 BBC 1 Yorkshire
956 BBC 1 E Yorks
957 BBC 1 North West
958 BBC 1 West Midlands
959 BBC 1 East Midlands
960 BBC 1 East (East)
961 BBC 1 East (West)
962 BBC 1 South East
963 BBC 1 South (So' ton)
964 BBC 1 South (Oxford)
965 BBC 1 West
966 BBC 1 South West
967 BBC 1 Channel Islands
968 BBC 2 England
969 BBC 2 Scotland
970 BBC 2 Wales
971 BBC 2 N. Ireland
972 ITV1 London
973 Channel 4 London

RADIO CHANNELS:
1 BBC Radio 1
2 BBC Radio 2
3 BBC Radio 3
4 BBC Radio 4 FM
5 BBC Radio 5 Live
6 Radio Caroline
7 TBC
8 Classic FM
9 Absolute Radio
10 talkSPORT
11 Capital
12 Planet Rock
13 Heart
14 LBC 97.3
15 BBC World
16 BBC Radio Scotland
17 BBC Radio Wales
18 BBC Radio Ulster
19 BBC Asian Network
20 BBC Radio 6 Music
21 XFM
22 Choice FM
23 Gold
24 WRN Europe
25 Premier Radio
26 LBC News
27 UCB UK
28 Smooth
29 Solar Radio
30 BBC Radio 4Xtra
31 Panjab Radio
32 Sunrise Radio
33 UCB Bible
34 UCB Gospel
35 UCB Inspirational
36 TWR
37 Real Radio
38 EWTN
39 Sukh Sagar
40 BBC RnGaidheal
41 TBC
42 BBC Radio 1Xtra
43 BBC Radio 4 LW
44 BBC Radio 5Xtra
45 Khushkhabri
46 Calvary Chapel Radio
47 Family Radio
48 RTE Radio 1
49 RTE Radio 1Extra
50 RTE 2FM
51 RTE Lyric FM
52 TBC
53 RTE R na Gaeltachta
54 BBC Radio Cymru
55 Desi Radio
56 Kismat Radio
57 Amrit Bani
58 Chill
59 Kiss
60 Magic 105.4
61 NME Radio
62 Spectrum 1
63 Liberty Radio
64 Punjabi Radio
65 Insight Radio
66 Absolute 80s
67 Absolute Classic Rock
68 Jazz FM
69 Absolute 90s
70 RCR
71 Record Radio
72 Rainbow
73 Yorkshire Radio
74 Newstalk
75 BFBS Radio 1
76 UCB Ireland

John mac

123 ITV1 HD/STV HD

wonder which one you get ? (I get both for free )

Minstrel27

STV for Scottish EPG, ITV for everyone else would be my guess

Manc-Red

Looking like this service is a bit of a joke so far.

We shall see how it develops.. My thoughts are that it will be a massive flop.

mike65

That list has just reminded me of something, why can we get dozens of Indian/African/Arabian channels for nowt but nothing from any other European country?

Minstrel27

Probably not enough demand as the European stuff can be gotten very easily from Hotbird and Astra 1

watty

Kristopherus wrote: »

Here's the FTA list of channels that Real Digital will be broadcasting as posted on Their site last week. Nothing in it for anyone that has FTA already.

No, they are just broadcasting a proprietary EPG that needs a viewing card. REAL Digital aren't broadcasting ANY FTA channel that is already there.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=143

you will be charged periodically to keep the card alive or for a new one.

Note EPG position:?
108 Information TV
109 Information TV+1
110 Showcase
111 Showcase 2

Information TV is one of the Real Digital partners along with David Henry of "Rapture TV" fame and Fortec Star. REAL Digital has Information TV as their address.
Without selling Sky Sports at a Profit they can't sustain their EPG and the REAL Digital boxes will then lose the 7 Day EPG if REAL Digital go bust.

rlogue

Where have they said they'll charge for cards?

That Digital Spy thread where you like hanging out is a ridiculous zoo full of Sky fanboys. Some libellous statements being made there too.

Macy0161

Manc-Red wrote: »

Looking like this service is a bit of a joke so far.

Not sure it's a joke, but there's just no point until there's pay content. Why would you get that, when you can have Freesat with the accompanying guarantees that it'll last? Sky Sports and/or other Pay content will make or break it.

Tony

Macy0161 wrote: »

Not sure it's a joke, but there's just no point until there's pay content.

I must disagree, if they somehow manage to get RTE on there with no monthly fee it will be a runner . Having said that I don't see it happening in the short term.

Macy0161

Tony wrote: »

I must disagree, if they somehow manage to get RTE on there with no monthly fee it will be a runner . Having said that I don't see it happening in the short term.

Maybe. However, I'm not sure Ireland is that crucial to their ultimate success or failure. Also, a certified combo would surely eat into any advantage?

Tony

Macy0161 wrote: »

Maybe. However, I'm not sure Ireland is that crucial to their ultimate success or failure. Also, a certified combo would surely eat into any advantage?

On your first point I agree they are paying no real attention at all to this market . A certified combo still needs an aerial , this only needs a dish however its all pretty academic at this point , in my view they have been pretty amateur so far .

rlogue

I reckon because Real would need to carry the Irish channels entirely at their expense they will get the pay element up and running before they take on the Irish channels.

They are predicting Spring for Sky Sports 1 & 2 but there are other channels that they are in negotiation with, another sports provider and another entertainment provider, neither of whom have been mentioned anywhere yet in connection with Real.

MarkK

rlogue wrote: »

They are predicting Spring for Sky Sports 1 & 2

The court case that allowed other operators such as RD to access SS1 and SS2 applied to the UK only though, didn't it?

If if they do get permission resell in RoI, I expect Sky will insist that they use the versions of SS1 and SS2 with Irish adverts, pushing their costs up further.

L1011

The intent was at least to have all Real-specific channels in MPEG4 w/AAC for the SD variants, but if they carry SS HD that doesn't give any savings (as it already is MPEG4 clearly).

rlogue

The agreements brokered by the Competition Appeals Tribunal give access to the SD versions of SS1 & SS2, not the HD versions.

rlogue

watty wrote: »

you will be charged periodically to keep the card alive or for a new one.

Just spoken to David Henry. There will not be a charge to keep the card alive. There will be a charge to replace lost cards.

What do you think of the idea of using the 9e Saorsat feeds to provide Irish customers with the Irish channels?

Kristopherus

Is that what Real Digital intend to do?

rlogue

It's certainly an option as would be a Real Digital provided feed on 28 east or maybe using the Saorview or Saorsat feeds.

watty

rlogue wrote: »

Just spoken to David Henry. There will not be a charge to keep the card alive. There will be a charge to replace lost cards.

What do you think of the idea of using the 9e Saorsat feeds to provide Irish customers with the Irish channels?

No-one needs REAL Digital for Saorsat + Freesat.

It ONLY makes sense as Pay TV platform with Sky Sport.

He can say what he likes about the card charges today. When they are short of money they will look for a Card subscription.

Anyone buying a box that needs a viewing card for just the EPG of FTA channels that can be killed at any time can expect to be held hostage.

If the Real Digital box supports Diseqc and non-REAL Digital EPG channels and MHEG5 then anyone can use it for 9E Ka-Sat as well as REAL Digital service.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?p=55336047#post55336047

Note They can't sell the card with the box as they plan and offer Encrypted RTE/TG4/TV3 on 28E. They can ONLY provide encrypted Irish TV (at their own encryption and carriage expense) by posting cards to Irish addresses. A phone / SMS enabled card sold with box has ZERO geographic restriction.

Where is REAL's network of installers to do anything other than capitalise on Sky Churn for Sky Sports?

rlogue

To answer the factual part of your post, yes, the boxes support DiseqC switching, DVB EPG and MHEG 5 so they would be ideal for for mixing Real Digital, UK FTA and Saorsat.

The rest of your post is opinion and if anyone wants to be totally misled by all means follow the DigitalSpy link. I prefer my muppets to be made of felt and operated by Jim Henson.

watty

Most of the misleading posts on Digital Spy are speculation about the Pay TV offering (as yet nothing definite beyond possibility of SS1, SS2 and Blackbelt TV) or quotes from REAL Digital that have later been proven to be in error.

I agree that there is almost nothing of substance in the Digital Spy thread, especially from the dwindling band of REAL Digital fans. The most dubious posts are from a couple of REAL Digital "supporters". This is because of an almost total lack of reliable information from REAL Digital, but a lot of Aspirations.

As yet there is still no evidence of a sustainable plan by REAL Digital to compete in Satellite Pay TV. The more recent suggestion that they could be a FTA platform (EPG enabled only by card) competing with Freesat is laughable and commercially totally unsustainable.

rlogue

You have taken the pay model you did for that shelved pay TV service and made the same assumptions about Real Digital that you made for your service.

This is wrong since Real is run on a far lower cost basis than you state. Cash is in the bank and they are in talks with some serious investors. Pay TV deals with other companies are being made.

There is a lot of distorted propaganda out there about Real Digital but if it succeeds it will blow open the pay TV Market in a way not seen before.

There are many organisations that do not want Real to succeed. After all a lie is half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

Tony

I hope they do succeed but Real Digital are not helping themselves at all with missed deadlines and a general lack of information as to what is going on . The "sorry we've been really busy" excuse sounds so amateur in my view.

JDxtra

Kristopherus wrote: »

ENTERTAINMENT:
108 Information TV
109 Information TV+1
110 Showcase
111 Showcase 2

And here we have an example of how delusional the operators of REAL Digital are. Do they really think their own "channels" deserve such a high EPG placing?

Has anybody EVER watched them for more than 30 seconds, really? Pure and utter tripe.

basill

Having only SS1 and 2 is no good to them. Sky will simply play dirty like they did with ITV digital many moons ago. Sky will put big matches onto SS3 and 4 and change them at short notice as well. People that have left Sky to go over will be enticed back with discounts. Those that never wanted Sky in the first place but liked the idea of cheap sports without having to pay a big monthly sub will soon realise that only having SS1 and 2 is next to useless and will drop it after a while.

Its all deja vu!

watty

rlogue wrote: »

You have taken the pay model you did for that shelved pay TV service and made the same assumptions about Real Digital that you made for your service.

This is wrong since Real is run on a far lower cost basis than you state. Cash is in the bank and they are in talks with some serious investors. Pay TV deals with other companies are being made.

I really and honestly hope you are right and I'm wrong. I've had (via electronic media) discussions with David Henry. Let's say they reduced any optimism I might have had. I'm no fan of Sky or Murdoch. Quite the reverse. I can't state in Public what I think of Sky's past practices in UK and Italy to ensure market share.

Minstrel27

basill wrote: »

Having only SS1 and 2 is no good to them. Sky will simply play dirty like they did with ITV digital many moons ago. Sky will put big matches onto SS3 and 4 and change them at short notice as well. People that have left Sky to go over will be enticed back with discounts. Those that never wanted Sky in the first place but liked the idea of cheap sports without having to pay a big monthly sub will soon realise that only having SS1 and 2 is next to useless and will drop it after a while.

Its all deja vu!

Sky do that now then they are in big trouble with OFCOM.

watty

The DS moderation has lost patience and don't see the thread there as valid Entertainment. All Discussion of REAL Digital is banned on DS now till further notice.

I'd suggest there isn't much to discuss till the basic box and PVR box are actually selling somewhere and there is a firm date, price and content for Pay TV.

L1011

JDxtra wrote: »

And here we have an example of how delusional the operators of REAL Digital are. Do they really think their own "channels" deserve such a high EPG placing?

Has anybody EVER watched them for more than 30 seconds, really? Pure and utter tripe.

I would argue that Sky Simpsons, erm, Sky 1 in its condition when Sky Digital launched deserved to be in the kids section and not on 106. Operators always push their own channels higher.

watty

Based on Viewing figures if you had 800 channels, 101 to 9xx, with virtually no gaps and PPV movies on a separate Menu:

Sky one = 201
Sky sport = 202
Information Tv etc.. about equal 701 to 801

channels

I asked some questions on RD facebook page.

There are channel lists and a EPG, how many channels from that list has a full 7 day EPG?

Where can I find the conditions of sale before ordering a box over the phone?

Got no reply, they deleted my post.:mad:

MarkK

channels wrote: »

There are channel lists and a EPG, how many channels from that list has a full 7 day EPG?

Not all the channels have a 7 day EPG according to this months "What Satellite & Digital TV" magazine.
It did not say how many did not have it.

channels

RD have banned me from posting on their facebook page, I only asked those two questions before I ordered their box.

They have just lost another customer.

Tony

Strange operators

channels wrote: »

RD have banned me from posting on their facebook page, I only asked those two questions before I ordered their box.

They have just lost another customer.

rlogue

channels wrote: »

RD have banned me from posting on their facebook page, I only asked those two questions before I ordered their box.

They have just lost another customer.

PM me your real name and I'll have a word.

Tony

rlogue wrote: »

PM me your real name and I'll have a word.

That should not be necessary, they should treat everyone with courtesy and respect .

rlogue

I would agree, however there were a few trolls from the DS thread who posted abusive messages on the Facebook page. Those messages were removed.

I keep an eye on the Facebook page and don't recall the posts that the user channels talks about but then again I'm not monitoring it 24/7!!

Tony

I agree of course abusive and trolling posts should be removed. I guess its hard to have a view without seeing the exact post but the previous poster says hes been banned, a bit harsh if as he says he was merely asking questions.

rlogue wrote: »

I would agree, however there were a few trolls from the DS thread who posted abusive messages on the Facebook page. Those messages were removed.

I keep an eye on the Facebook page and don't recall the posts that the user channels talks about but then again I'm not monitoring it 24/7!!