Moved on from the past eh? Yea fuppin right!

BEASTERLY

Very interesting article in yesterdays Sunday independent. It is about an encounter a journalist had with a group of Martin McGuinness' 'campaign crew' outside the RTE studios last friday.

The article can be found here: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...n-2893552.html

TL;DR version: Journalist spots McGuinness pulling up in a BMW X5 SUV and a VW Passat. Thinking this was interesting considering he's only on €35,000 euro a year he decided to grab a photo. Those accompanying McGuinness didn't like this and approached the journo. He assured them all plates would be blacked out etc. The four lads got aggressive and started shouting abuse including "Sunday Independent! I should have known. F**king gob****e! Thick!". All this was going on with MmG himself less than six feet away. He did nothing to resolve the situation. It took a RTE press office worker to pluck up the courage to come to the journo's aid.

This just shows caliber of person SF and McGuinness are(excuse the pun). It seems to similar in style to a certain organisation. So the question is, how much have these people really changed since the peace process. A case of you can't teach old dogs new tricks?

shanered

Thats some nice mud-slinging there!

drunkmonkey

I notice the photographers didn't post their pictures another bull carp dig at mc guinness form the indo. There a disgrace at the moment. Last weeks and this weeks sunday independent were shameful. It's a rag of a paper.

BEASTERLY

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I notice the photographers didn't post their pictures another bull carp dig at mc guinness form the indo. There a disgrace at the moment. Last weeks and this weeks sunday independent were shameful. It's a rag of a paper.

So you're saying it didn't happen? Or the indo are a disgrace for publishing it. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't leave themselves open by publishing lies on the matter. The people of the country have every right to know who they're voting for.

What does a self respecting SF supporter read, the daily star? The sun perhaps?

toexpress

BEASTERLY wrote: »

What does a self respecting SF supporter read, the daily star? The sun perhaps?

I suspect it's the Guns and Ammo monthly ...

Or perhaps the NRA annual who knows? Of course we are all assuming they can read more than "I'm an innocent mawn"

johngalway

It's amazing how nothing said about wee Martin is ever true :pac:

I guess he'll have to add the Indo to the list of people he'll be sueing.

How many is that now? :pac:

St. Martin :rolleyes:

cc4life

toexpress wrote: »

I suspect it's the Guns and Ammo monthly ...

Or perhaps the NRA annual who knows? Of course we are all assuming they can read more than "I'm an innocent mawn"

wow...hilarious

toexpress

cc4life wrote: »

wow...hilarious

I'm so glad you enjoyed it cc4life that made it all worthwhile ... truly

KeithAFC

Journalists should be careful in a way because you never know what can happen with the people associated with Mcguinness.

Wolfe Tone

Only a few weeks ago there was a report saying Gerry showed up at a hotel in a fancy SUV for a press conference. That was a blatant lie as I know for a fact he walked from the Dail to the hotel. Pinch of salt needed.

BEASTERLY

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Only a few weeks ago there was a report saying Gerry showed up at a hotel in a fancy SUV for a press conference. That was a blatant lie as I know for a fact he walked from the Dail to the hotel. Pinch of salt needed.

Indeed...

stewie01

another pathetic thread.

Journalist spots McGuinness pulling up in a BMW X5 SUV and a VW Passat. Thinking this was interesting considering he's only on €35,000 euro a year he decided to grab a photo.

lmao. So he has to walk around Ireland now does he. Have you ever got a lift in a nice fancy car op. What would the story be if he had pulled up in a clapped out merc.

hilarious if you wernt serious.

just to clear this insinuating piece of drivel up, did the 4 men approach the journalist or was he standing at the entrance to the building?

In what way where they threating to the journalist?

In what way did the rte press officer PLUCK UP the courage to AID this poor unfortunate camera man?

STOP WITH THE NONSENSE.

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

Journalists should be careful in a way because you never know what can happen with the people associated with Mcguinness.

Especially if there writing about loyalists isn't that right keithafc do you remember MARTIN O HAGEN the only journalist murdered in the six counties.

In the early 1990s, he wrote several pieces about the Ulster Volunteer Force's Mid Ulster Brigade. He coined the nickname, "the rat pack" for this group and "King Rat" for their leader Billy Wright. Wright founded the Loyalist Volunteer Force a breakaway loyalist faction. He was responsible for an attack on the Sunday World offices in Belfast and threatened to kill O'Hagan. Wright himself was assassinated by the Irish National Liberation Army in 1997
On 28 September 2001 Martin and his wife Marie walked to "Fa' Joe's" pub, a well-known mixed bar on Lurgan's Market Street, for their usual Friday night drink together. The pub had been Martin's favourite for many years. As they walked home to Westland Gardens, close to the loyalist Mourneview Estate, a car pulled slowly alongside them just yards from their house. Martin pushed his wife into a hedge as a gunman opened fire from the car hitting him several times. As he lay wounded he asked his wife to summon an ambulance. When she returned from doing so he was dead.
Martin O'Hagan murder was "claimed" by the Red Hand Defenders, a nom de guerre used by the Loyalist Volunteer Force

niallers1

Is that all?
This is a feeble story...


Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnn

BEASTERLY

stewie01 wrote: »

another pathetic thread.

Journalist spots McGuinness pulling up in a BMW X5 SUV and a VW Passat. Thinking this was interesting considering he's only on €35,000 euro a year he decided to grab a photo.

lmao. So he has to walk around Ireland now does he. Have you ever got a lift in a nice fancy car op. What would the story be if he had pulled up in a clapped out merc.

hilarious if you wernt serious.

just to clear this insinuating piece of drivel up, did the 4 men approach the journalist or was he standing at the entrance to the building?

In what way where they threating to the journalist?

In what way did the rte press officer PLUCK UP the courage to AID this poor unfortunate camera man?

STOP WITH THE NONSENSE.

Read the article, it gets the point across better than my summary.

KeithAFC

realies wrote: »

Especially if there writing about loyalists isn't that right keithafc do you remember MARTIN O HAGEN the only journalist murdered in the six counties.

In the early 1990s, he wrote several pieces about the Ulster Volunteer Force's Mid Ulster Brigade. He coined the nickname, "the rat pack" for this group and "King Rat" for their leader Billy Wright. Wright founded the Loyalist Volunteer Force a breakaway loyalist faction. He was responsible for an attack on the Sunday World offices in Belfast and threatened to kill O'Hagan. Wright himself was assassinated by the Irish National Liberation Army in 1997
On 28 September 2001 Martin and his wife Marie walked to "Fa' Joe's" pub, a well-known mixed bar on Lurgan's Market Street, for their usual Friday night drink together. The pub had been Martin's favourite for many years. As they walked home to Westland Gardens, close to the loyalist Mourneview Estate, a car pulled slowly alongside them just yards from their house. Martin pushed his wife into a hedge as a gunman opened fire from the car hitting him several times. As he lay wounded he asked his wife to summon an ambulance. When she returned from doing so he was dead.
Martin O'Hagan murder was "claimed" by the Red Hand Defenders, a nom de guerre used by the Loyalist Volunteer Force

Has nothing to do with Loyalists. No Loyalist is running in the election and they aren't questioning and frankly annoying a Loyalist. It is Martin Mcguinness who is having the questions thrown at him.

So this story about the journalist being abused by "associates" is a concern.

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

Has nothing to do with Loyalists. No Loyalist is running in the election and they aren't questioning and frankly annoying a Loyalist. It is Martin Mcguinness who is having the questions thrown at him.

So this story about the journalist being abused by "associates" is a concern.

You are a loyalist and supporter of the UVF so i just like to show people your hypocrite views just in case some one would get taken in by your fake concern in what happens in this election.

R P McMurphy

Thread is pretty poor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR81LAiLjN8

KeithAFC

realies wrote: »

You are a loyalist and supporter of the UVF so i just like to show people your hypocrite views just in case some one would get taken in by your fake concern in what happens in this election.

What is your point?

To the actual topic, Martin Mcguinness has no problem with taking credit for certain things like the GFA. So he should accept the criticism and try not to lose the head like he did with the west brits comment.

stewie01

BEASTERLY wrote: »

Read the article, it gets the point across better than my summary.

no. summarize properly. im not clicking onto lord oreillys paper

gandalf

Another story that proves people like Martin McGuinness and associates are nothing more than a mafia. Do we really want common criminals like this as our President. Sinn Fein nothing more than a front for murderers, torturers, maimers, thieves, kidnappers and extortionists. Makes you wonder if Adam's brother was a member, then they could add another crime to their collection.

shanered

More Sinn Fein bashing and mud slinging. Terrible thread altogether, it poses nothing to learn from or any new information other than the usual crap slung at people who support Sinn Fein.
Everybody knows that there is a large amount of journalists that love to bash Sinn Fein and would go to any lengths to promote their own political agenda. It is also in their interest as most newspapers would not be pro-Sinn Fein in anyway. And would be pleasing their bosses and editors by publishing such stuff.

blahfckingblah

toexpress wrote: »

I suspect it's the Guns and Ammo monthly ...

Or perhaps the NRA annual who knows? Of course we are all assuming they can read more than "I'm an innocent mawn"

well done on tarring everyone with the same brush because all republicans are illiterate gun toting idiots. No seriously I do appreciate your tabloid-esque post, it really reflects on the thread. I really hope you return to give your political opinion sometime in the future on politics.

drunkmonkey

realies wrote: »

You are a loyalist and supporter of the UVF so i just like to show people your hypocrite views just in case some one would get taken in by your fake concern in what happens in this election.

I wouldn't be too hard on him, he's getting Mc Guinness votes every time he says something. Nothing like a hardcore UVF supporter to bring out the little republican hiding inside all of us.

My name is URL

gandalf wrote: »

Makes you wonder if Adam's brother was a member, then they could add another crime to their collection.

That's just pathetic, and says more about how you think than it does about any other individual.

jonniebgood1

Can none of the SF fans defend the actions? it is a published story so deserves consideration rather than the usual 'agenda' or 'bias' comments. Surely its not hard to come up with better excuses than the usuals here.
I'll make a few suggestions:
1. Reaction was due to media intrusion.
2. Papparazi type photographer.
3. Did'nt like the look of the photographer.

etc, etc.

blahfckingblah

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Can none of the SF fans defend the actions? it is a published story so deserves consideration rather than the usual 'agenda' or 'bias' comments. Surely its not hard to come up with better excuses than the usuals here.
I'll make a few suggestions:
1. Reaction was due to media intrusion.
2. Papparazi type photographer.
3. Did'nt like the look of the photographer.

etc, etc.

well I suppose nobody from here saw it and I imagine other media outlets mentioned would have seen the commotion given they were there? My guess and it is a guess is that he was approached but not in such a harsh manner and decided he could make a story about this.

KeithAFC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wouldn't be too hard on him, he's getting Mc Guinness votes every time he says something. Nothing like a hardcore UVF supporter to bring out the little republican hiding inside all of us.

People are entitled to give their view on Mcguinness. Loyalist or Republican or neither.

drunkmonkey

KeithAFC wrote: »

People are entitled to give their view on Mcguinness.

As a UVF supporter i'm not sure you should be entitled. Do you have a vote in this election?

vellocet

MMG was on private property, so the press had no right to photograph him. He also has a credible death threat over him from the dissidents, so snapping his security detail is moody as well.

'MMG didn't stop bold men shouting at me when I was breaking the law'. Seriously?


But most tedious in all this is that the Sindo, are yet again, placing themselves front and centre in the news. 'Look at me taking risks to bring you de trooth'

When is the election so I can be spared this bullshít?

KeithAFC

drunkmonkey wrote: »

As a UVF supporter i'm not sure you should be entitled. Do you have a vote in this election?

Nope. But as anyone else, fully entitled to post on the topic. I ain't slating Mcguinness for his IRA past. I am defending people who do though. Just as people are entitled to slate the Ulster volunteers part in the conflict.

jank

gandalf wrote: »

Another story that proves people like Martin McGuinness and associates are nothing more than a mafia. Do we really want common criminals like this as our President. Sinn Fein nothing more than a front for murderers, torturers, maimers, thieves, kidnappers and extortionists. Makes you wonder if Adam's brother was a member, then they could add another crime to their collection.

Ah come on! Id expect this type of post from other people but now you. You are better than that. This is the Sunday Indo we are talking about here, I wouldnt trust anything they say about anyone never mind when they are trying to sling mud at Sinn Fein.

gandalf

Jank why are you surprised. I have always been against the IRA and their alter ego Sinn Fein. It doesn't surprise me in the least that McGuinness is being ferried around like a mafia don with a bunch of heavies to push people around.

One additional question would be who is funding these vehicles?

Is Northern Irish taxpayers monies being used to fund Martins Southern misadventure?

jank

It is one thing being against Sinn Fein and the IRA but jumping on this poor excuse of a thread and proclaiming it as further "proof" that then confirms more so your own suspicion of what Sinn Fein is like is foolish to say the least. This is not about the rights and wrongs of Sinn Fein as that has been done to death. This is about a poorly written piece as another attempt to smear a presidential candidate.

There will be more of this next week and the week after until the election is over. I just thought you of all people would know not to believe everything you read in the paper. The Sindo have always had a hard on in knocking Sinn Fein therefore whatever they say in the next couple of weeks should be dismissed out of hand especially an op-ed like that article.

vellocet

gandalf wrote: »

Jank why are you surprised. I have always been against the IRA and their alter ego Sinn Fein. It doesn't surprise me in the least that McGuinness is being ferried around like a mafia don with a bunch of heavies to push people around.

One additional question would be who is funding these vehicles?

Is Northern Irish taxpayers monies being used to fund Martins Southern misadventure?

He is being ferried around because he is under threat from the dissidents.

problemchimp

This is a really pathetic "non story". Move on, there's nothing to see here!

paul71

vellocet wrote: »

MMG was on private property, so the press had no right to photograph him.

Ok? What law would that be?

Oh thats right, there is no such law.

HellsAngel

johngalway wrote: »

It's amazing how nothing said about wee Martin is ever true :pac:

I guess he'll have to add the Indo to the list of people he'll be sueing.

How many is that now? :pac:

St. Martin :rolleyes:

' wee' Martin is 6 feet tall !!! Shows how little you know about him Einstein

KELTICKNIGHTT

paul71 wrote: »

Ok? What law would that be?

Oh thats right, there is no such law.

agreed

KELTICKNIGHTT

johngalway wrote: »

It's amazing how nothing said about wee Martin is ever true :pac:

I guess he'll have to add the Indo to the list of people he'll be sueing.

How many is that now? :pac:

St. Martin :rolleyes:

im sure theres a bigger list for mcguinness

KELTICKNIGHTT

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Thread is pretty poor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR81LAiLjN8

no more than shinners threads

vellocet

paul71 wrote: »

Ok? What law would that be?

Oh thats right, there is no such law.

What? So if a press photographer stuck his lens in your living room window you wouldn't call the cops?

You cannot go onto private property and take photos of people without their consent. Even CCTV on private property must be announced.

Take your pick from the Data Protection act or the Privacy and Human Rights act 2003

vellocet

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

agreed

If you are agreeing with him I must be right. Thanks

KELTICKNIGHTT

vellocet wrote: »

If you are agreeing with him I must be right. Thanks

that shinners cant be trusted ,answer yes

KELTICKNIGHTT

vellocet wrote: »

What? So if a press photographer stuck his lens in your living room window you wouldn't call the cops?

You cannot go onto private property and take photos of people without their consent. Even CCTV on private property must be announced.

Take your pick from the Data Protection act or the Privacy and Human Rights act 2003

do you know rte policy on press and photographers on their property ??? during debate or any given day,when you made this statement ??

maccored

threads like these are brilliant promo for MMG. keep 'em coming.

vellocet

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

do you know rte policy on press and photographers on their property ??? during debate or any given day,when you made this statement ??

I do. It is very, very strictly against them with all the celebs and whatnot in and out of the place.

I have no horse in the presidential race. My angle here is ****e journalism. Paps breaking the law and then when told to scram by MMG's bodyguards, making out that its some sort of fascistic threat.

KELTICKNIGHTT

vellocet wrote: »

I do. It is very, very strictly against them with all the celebs and whatnot in and out of the place.

I have no horse in the presidential race. My angle here is ****e journalism. Paps breaking the law and then when told to scram by MMG's bodyguards, making out that its some sort of fascistic threat.

that not what i asked you
do you know rte policy on other press on there property ,yes or no,if yes give fact

KELTICKNIGHTT

maccored wrote: »

threads like these are brilliant promo for MMG. keep 'em coming.

like the shinners threads for all the rest of candidates ;);)

vellocet

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

that not what i asked you
do you know rte policy on other press on there property ,yes or no,if yes give fact

Yes. I. Do.

They do not allow them.

Next question.

KELTICKNIGHTT

vellocet wrote: »

Yes. I. Do.

They do not allow them.

Next question.

i see you dont know,just a guess