Time to ban cigarettes?

Phill Ewinn

I suppose the country is fooked. I don't imagine anyone wants to pay for more patients to sit around in hospital corridors.


Seems to me there's less kids hanging around the school gates with a fag in hand. Is it tipping point do you think? Would there be bigger numbers supporting a ban on sale of cigettes than against?

robbie_998

the government make a lot of money from it.

..Brian..

And send all that tax off into the hands of black market dealers? I think not!

mikemac

Having people die off early by the end of their working life and not pay their pensions may save money if you want to be cold about it

Woud be an interesting project for a student I reckon
Yeah, it does seem realy cold to type this but the OP asked about the cost

stephen_k

Hang on.... *takes out smoke, lights, inhales, long slow exhale AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* Now..... Where was I..... oh yeah.... F*ck Off!!!

Stinicker

robbie_998 wrote: »

the government make a lot of money from it.

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

GrizzlyMan

Wouldnt make a difference, theres enough people selling knock off cigerettes on the black market!

Neil3030

It'll never happen. Too many people rely on smoking sections to pull.

Hank_Jones

Why cigarettes?

Why not alcohol?

People are always trying to tell others what to do....sad really.

Paparazzo

mikemac wrote: »

Having people die off early by the end of their working life and not pay their pensions may save money if you want to be cold about it

Woud be an interesting project for a student I reckon
Yeah, it does seem realy cold to type this but the OP asked about the cost

Yeah, always wondered that. Does it make money or lose money?

charlemont

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

I suppose the country is fooked. I don't imagine anyone wants to pay for more patients to sit around in hospital corridors.


Seems to me there's less kids hanging around the school gates with a fag in hand. Is it tipping point do you think? Would there be bigger numbers supporting a ban on sale of cigettes than against?

Are you feeling OK ?
Do you want us to seek urgent medical attention for yourself from the men in the grey coats ?

Banning cigarettes !! Why don't ye just ban everything or better yet just blow the whole planet up so nobody can do anything anymore !!

Chuck Stone

Yeah because prohibition really works.

BraziliaNZ

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

Moronic scum? Are you actually for real? Bet you wouldn't hook up with a lingerie model if she liked a few Marlboro Gold's with her fizzy wine at the weekends would you?

4Sheets

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway.

LMFAO..If you ask ME the world would be much better off without the kind of dry-****s that dont smoke!

BraziliaNZ

4Sheets wrote: »

LMFAO..If you ask ME the world would be much better off without the kind of dry-****s that dont smoke!

Ok I'm not sure which one of you two is worse now...

GavRedKing

With the money the goverment would lose from the duty paid on fags theyed have to re-coup it elsewhere.

Bad idea.

hondasam

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

Only moronic scum on the dole smoke.you trying to get us to give them up?

Simon Adebisi

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

Ill bet any money your parents or grandparents smoked at some stage. Are they moronic scum?

You sound like a miserable friendless chap.

No. I don't like it and I can't imagine why people do it to themselves, but they should be allowed to if they want. Just don't puff your smoke into my face and it's all good.

Skullsri

Stinicker just another keyboard warrior with no proper input into what is a stupid thread anyway if people want to smoke let them if they want to drink let them its everyones personal choice at the end of the day..simples..

super_furry

Ban them? Not a chance, just keep raising the tax take on them and clamp down even more on tobacco smuggling.

Sykk

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

You're cute.

DEFTLEFTHAND

super_furry wrote: »

Ban them? Not a chance, just keep raising the tax take on them and clamp down even more on tobacco smuggling.

If they keep raising the tax on them that will only lead to an increase in smuggling and black market trade. They're already close to 9 euro a pack with taxes included.

Sonics2k

hondasam wrote: »

Only moronic scum on the dole smoke.you trying to get us to give them up?

Hey now, I may be moronic and on the dole. I am not scum!

:pac:

4leto

Funny I would have agreed with the OP when I was smoking, as that may have forced me to quit.

But realistically I would have got them on the black market and be forced to deal with criminals, something I wouldn't relish.

But now as a confirmed X smoker, I would rather the government getting the duty then the criminals getting the raw profits. I know illegal drugs are different animal, but again I would rather the public purse and legitimate businesses who would create legal jobs, then again, the money going to crims.

4leto

4leto wrote: »

Funny I would have agreed with the OP when I was smoking, as that may have forced me to quit.

But realistically I would have got them on the black market and be forced to deal with criminals, something I wouldn't relish.

But now as a confirmed X smoker, I would rather the government getting the duty then the criminals getting the raw profits. I know illegal drugs are different animal, but again I would rather the public purse and legitimate businesses who would create legal jobs, then the money going to crims.

What's an X and how do you smoke it

Stinicker

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Moronic scum? Are you actually for real? Bet you wouldn't hook up with a lingerie model if she liked a few Marlboro Gold's with her fizzy wine at the weekends would you?

Nah, I'll let them for you and get a classy woman who has a real scent besides stale cigarettes.

hondasam

Sonics2k wrote: »

Hey now, I may be moronic and on the dole. I am not scum!

:pac:

I'm not moronic, scum or on the dole but I do smoke and I hate the fact I smoke.

The Agogo

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, I'll let them for you and get a classy woman who has a real scent besides stale cigarettes.

Since when is Stella Artois a scummy drink?

Antomus Prime

Blah blah blah Smokers are jokers blah blah blah.... How many times has this topic been done?? Everyone knows it will never be banned, about 60% (prob even more at this stage) of the cost of a pack of smokes is government tax.... why would the government ban people giving them that kind of money.........

Phill Ewinn

OP here. Contravertial opinion I know. But why not? Realistically the black market is doing great trade anyway in everything. I don't see it as a reason to continue selling fajkis legally.

There's benefits to it. Health benefits, financial benefits. We could get great publicity from an international perspective.

deathrider

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Seems to me there's less kids hanging around the school gates with a fag in hand.

Do you spend much time at school gates watching kids? Because that's a bit creepy.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Agogo wrote: »

Since when is Stella Artois a scummy drink?

Its known as wife beater in the UK.

TheZohanS

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway.

I smoke. If you're ever at an AH beers come say that to me.

Snakeblood

TheZohan wrote: »

I smoke. If you're ever at an AH beers come say that to me.

FIGHTFIGHTFIGHT

DEFTLEFTHAND

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

OP here. Contravertial opinion I know. But why not? Realistically the black market is doing great trade anyway in everything. I don't see it as a reason to continue selling fajkis legally.

There's benefits to it. Health benefits, financial benefits. We could get great publicity from an international perspective.

What about all the tourists who would decide to stay away because of the ban. A significant percentage of the world's population smoke, particularly Europeans.

Nation 98

Sure why not ban everything and live in a full on totalitarian world.

Oranage2

I think we should ban everything!

Smokes
Alcohol
Food that arent vegetables and rice cakes
Coffee and teas (too much caffine)
Cars
Blue paint

Everything!

Logical Fallacy

Stinicker wrote: »

Nah, let them smoke away; the world will be better off without the sort of moronic scum that smokes anyway. If anything we should be increasing the amount of carcinogens in Cigarette and throw in more arsenic so that smokers would die off sooner. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

Hyperbole is fun.

TheZohanS

Snakeblood wrote: »

FIGHTFIGHTFIGHT

Ah no, there'd be no fight. Ya see people post silly things on t'internet that they'd never say to people in real life, at least I hope they wouldn't.

Stupid people that say inappropriate things to the wrong people cost the state more than smokers ever would. Our A&E departments aren't crowded with smokers, they're crowded with people that have done themselves a mischief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRiRxFwXH8Q

Oh_Noes

..Brian.. wrote: »

And send all that tax off into the hands of black market dealers? I think not!

They're happy enough to do it with Cannabis. Probably a billion Euro industry in this country not paying a cent in tax.

Logical Fallacy

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

There's benefits to it. Health benefits, financial benefits. We could get great publicity from an international perspective.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here but i reckon the tax generated by sales far outstrips the cost with regard to medical care.

Uriel.

No i don't think they should be banned. Couldn't care less if they raise the tax on them though.

I feel the smoking ban was one of the best decisions of a government in this country though.

I do also think, that failure to comply with the ban should come with a higher punishment and i also think that people who dispose of cigarette butts on the ground should be specifically target under litter laws and have higher penalties for breach of this too.

Antomus Prime

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think we should ban everything!

Smokes
Alcohol
Food that arent vegetables and rice cakes
Coffee and teas (too much caffine)
Cars
Blue paint

Everything!

NOT THE BLUE PAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dirk Gently

I'm going to die early and save the state paying out a pension. I'm also voluntarily paying extra tax every single day to fund the country. I'm a Patriot tbh. Name a train station or bridge after me when I'm gone.

/lights up ciggy and thinks of Ireland.

Junco Partner

Stinicker wrote: »

. The dole queue would automatically almost halve.

intereresting only the unemployed smoke? well looks like i have to quit my job so cant be seen smoking if i work. thanks stiniker

Peetrik

Oranage2 wrote: »

I think we should ban everything!

Smokes
Alcohol
Food that arent vegetables and rice cakes
Coffee and teas (too much caffine)
Cars
Blue paint

Everything!

The packaging for the rice cakes cant be the best either

In fairness if you ban smoking because of potential health risks then you have to ban alcohol and mc donalds for the same reason.

I dont smoke myself but I am very much against any laws that 'protect us from ourselves'.
There is a lot of information on the negative effects smoking has on health, if someone wants to smoke anyway then they should be free to do so.

I'd be a lot more reluctant to pay for golden handshake pensions than healthcare

mossyc123

Something like €6.35 of the €8.65 cost of a pack goes straight into Government coffers... They are woeful yokes altogether but financial considerations definitely wouldn't come into the equation if banning them was being considered...They're a decent revenue source.

Rented Mule

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yeah because prohibition really works.

Thank you.

Prohibition works with absolutely nothing. Does a junkie have a hard time finding heroin ? Anyone every have a hard time finding some hash on the weekends? Anyone live out on the country and know anyone who makes their own poitin ? Anyone smokers ever get their hands on some tax free smokes ?

If you ban it, there will be thousands of people ready to supply you with it.

Oranage2

Rented Mule wrote: »

Thank you.

Prohibition works with absolutely nothing. Does a junkie have a hard time finding heroin ? Anyone every have a hard time finding some hash on the weekends? Anyone live out on the country and know anyone who makes their own poitin ? Anyone smokers ever get their hands on some tax free smokes ?

If you ban it, there will be thousands of people ready to supply you with it.

Who smokes 'hash' these days?

mcmoustache

OP, your idea is retarded. People smoking is a nett gain to the economy and now that the country is in the shiiter, we need to have everyone smoking.

Have you ever seen "Smokers die younger" on a box of cigarettes? This means that smokers are alive for less time than non-smokers. While smokers die of cancer before they're eligible for the state pension, non-smokers keep on costing the state billions in pensions and alzheimers/dementia/osteoporosis treatment.

Then there's the tax contribution made by patriotic, selfless smokers while non-smokers spend that money on themselves. One smoker, over the course of a year, can fund a college place for a student, 100 books for a library or 10 O Neills footballs for a 6 GAA clubs. Non-smokers are willing to go to college, use libraries and join GAA clubs but never do they thank the generous smokers who help provide these services at great risk to their own health.

OP, your attitude is terrible. I think you want the country to go broke and get taken over by the IMF or China. Do you also want to see babies starve because the tax donations by smokers will have dried up? Do you want puppies and kittens to be put down because the government can no longer afford grants for shelters?

I think that anyone who wants to see babies and puppies die is a terrible person. I don't know that you are like this, OP, but I've never heard you deny it so I'm not sure where you stand on baby-killing. I hope that you think it's wrong but your post implies otherwise.

Personally, I think that babies, puppies and kittens are a good thing so I'll continue to do my patriotic duty and smoke so that more can be saved. I'll contribute more to the economy and I'll take less from it by dieing early. And when you're 90 in nappies and can't tell your relatives apart, I hope you'll remember all those selfless smokers who put themselves on the line so that you could spend 10 years in a nursing-home having nurses throw out your poop.