Sinn Fein - dirty tricks

Monty Burnz

I've observed on a number of different threads on Boards.ie a number of different posters making allusions to Gay Mitchell's campaign being funded by 'a criminal in the Netherlands' (presumably an allusion to his criminal cousin), and asking 'is there any truth in the rumour...'.

I presume this sudden spate of people asking about this (obviously false*) rumour is part of a coordinated campaign from SF to retaliate against the Mitchell campaign banging on about McGuinness's terrorist past?

All in all, it's shaping up nicely for Michael D, who can stand aside and look presidential while the other two clowns sling mud at each other.

*Anyone who has a clue about election funding would know this was impossible for various reasons

alastair

Surely even the most loyal of criminal relations would realise this was pissing their hard earned/robbed cash up against the wall? Convincing dirty tricks fail!

niallers1

Dirty Tricks..I believe FG are black belt ninjas when it comes to the black art of running a negative campaign..

KELTICKNIGHTT

sein fein will put out all the dirty tricks they can ,specially with their dirty canidate mcg
like all sein fein, they avoid answering the question they are asked with a excuse instead

niallers1

MMcG hasn't resorted to dirty tricks..FG ministers have.

MMcG has taken the higher moral ground and has not stooped to the low levels of FG.

KELTICKNIGHTT

niallers1 wrote: »

MMcG hasn't resorted to dirty tricks..FG ministers have.

MMcG has taken the higher moral ground and has not stooped to the low levels of FG.

we know what moral ground mcg has :rolleyes:
he could start with answering and telling the truth which we all know he cant as he would get jail time ,as far as low levels,sein fein party knows all the trick in that regard

jonniebgood1

boo hoo. you people all have a 'bias' and an 'agenda' against martin (tongue firmly in cheek). I too have seen these silly comments but they are usually given without a source, thus not really credible.

Monty Burnz

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I too have seen these silly comments but they are usually given without a source, thus not really credible.

Yes, I wonder why there is no source...:rolleyes::)

I imagine the source is a Republican forum where some Shinner suggested that a rumour be started about Mitchell's criminal cousin be started to distract from the questions about the murders McG was involved with. I'd be surprised if not disappointed if such a hopelessly amateur effort emanated from Shinner HQ.

KELTICKNIGHTT

most people in older generation grew up with the troubles on tv and papers every day,when people who for the most part had nothing too do with it only to be in wrong place and wrong time where killed and the common excuse was it was war,sorry,doesnt cut it ,when mc Cabe was killed in limerick in adare,these actions lost alot of support from people in south,there is no possible excuse for it,its had to believe sein fein like mcguinness,watch questions over last couple of years posed to sf party people and they change the subject,anyone who is going in a election for the state of ireland ,people have a right too know ,theirs alot of questions m mcguinness has too answer but all know he will avoid at all cost with excuses,change the subject etc
so do sf play trick,of course they do

niallers1

Gay Mitchell does have a criminal cousin so how is this rumour?

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

Gay Mitchell does have a criminal cousin so how is this rumour?

Ah now Niallers, you are letting the mask slip in a very amateur way now. That he has a cousin who is a criminal is not the rumour, the rumour is the idiotic claim that this criminal is somehow (how?? why?) funding his campaign. Please don't play dumb, as if you don't know what the 'rumour' refers to.

jonniebgood1

niallers1 wrote: »

Gay Mitchell does have a criminal cousin so how is this rumour?

Criminal cousin who is funding his campaign?
Source please? None... surprise surprise & goodnight.

niallers1

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Ah now Niallers, you are letting the mask slip in a very amateur way now. That he has a cousin who is a criminal is not the rumour, the rumour is the idiotic claim that this criminal is somehow (how?? why?) funding his campaign. Please don't play dumb, as if you don't know what the 'rumour' refers to.

Monty, Are you saying that Gay Mitchells criminal cousin is funding his campaign..Well I never

niallers1

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

Criminal cousin who is funding his campaign?
Source please? None... surprise surprise & goodnight.

I didn't start this rumour, first I heard of it was when monty brought it up:)

My name is URL

I presume this sudden spate of people asking about this (obviously false*) rumour is part of a coordinated campaign from SF

lol.. On what evidence do you base this presumption? A few posters on boards mentioning it does not suggest that SF are conspiring. It's a ridiculous leap of logic to make. I doubt you even believe it yourself, and are instead using the fact that a handful of people here are perpetuating the rumour; in order to further your own agenda and paint the entirety of SF in a poor light. Are people running out of genuine criticisms of SF and resorting to dreamt up conspiracy theories?

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

Monty, Are you saying that Gay Mitchells criminal cousin is funding his campaign..Well I never

Seriously, I don't think this is making McGuinness look any better. He can hardly play the 'honest peacemaker' card and the dirty tricks politician thing at the same time. People are dumb, but not that dumb.

I'd say you should report back that nobody seems to be buying this one. By the way, I hope ye have something good in mind to nobble Michael D., or he's going to win by a country mile!

niallers1

If a Sinn Fein TD started this rumour then it would be on a par with FG.


As far as I can tell some boards posters started it..

It's about as beliveable as some of the things FG have been saying about MMcG

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

I didn't start this rumour, first I heard of it was when monty brought it up:)

Sinn Fein and the truth don't seem to really be compatible. Another lie exposed...this was posted at 11:39 today:

niallers1 wrote: »

A lot of it black propaganda from FG. It's almost childish..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_propaganda


It's almost as if GM (Not Genetically modified) knows he can't win the election so is determined to bring MMcG with him.

You don't hear MMcG bring up anything about Gay Mitchels cousin George "the Penquin" and you don't hear MMcG asking Gay if his cousin is funding his campaign..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015630/Gay-Mitchell-Controversial-views-lavish-junkets-notorious-gangster-cousin.html

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74724764&postcount=615

niallers1

That was a tongue in Cheek comment hence the smiley:)


Any BTW, I have never voted for SF..I will be voting for MMcG though as he is the most qualified and capable Politician amongst the other candidates.

thebman

In fairness, Gay Mitchell isn't this type of person. Plenty of legitimate issues to discuss about him that you don't need to imply he is being funded by a criminal.

He has the entire FG party behind him who are in government so not short of a few quid at the moment. In general I think the way most parties fund themselves leaves a lot to be desired.

Min

I am from Kilkenny, let me say Phil Hogan is a disgrace and I am happy I didn't vote for him.

A number of years ago his biggest rival from FF, a McGuinness :pac: came out twice after a flood ripped up my road and it was so dangerous it was mentioned on local radio to avoid.
No sign of Phil Hogan, McGuinness kept us in touch with the developments when it came to the repair job - the whole road had to be relaid.
When the job was completed Phil Hogan sent out a letter saying he was responsible for the whole thing.

Martin McGuinness admits freely he was in the IRA, Phil Hogan still has his goons come to my house looking for me to vote for him election after election when I know he sent a letter which did not tell the truth.

One shouldn't believe the words of Phil Hogan, this is the idiot that released the budget ahead of time...

Seth Brundle

niallers1 wrote: »

Dirty Tricks..I believe FG are black belt ninjas when it comes to the black art of running a negative campaign..

I would disagree. A good ninja would make the mud stick.
FG have thrown loads of mud but IMO it is actually making them look worse and thus backfiring.

thebman

Its just idiotic to claim Mitchell is being funded by a criminal. His entire background shows he has a strong enough character not to resort to that and he is in FG so why would he need to?

Seth Brundle

Min wrote: »

I am from Kilkenny, let me say Phil Hogan is a disgrace and I am happy I didn't vote for him.

A number of years ago his biggest rival from FF, a McGuinness :pac: came out twice after a flood ripped up my road and it was so dangerous it was mentioned on local radio to avoid.
No sign of Phil Hogan, McGuinness kept us in touch with the developments when it came to the repair job - the whole road had to be relaid.
When the job was completed Phil Hogan sent out a letter saying he was responsible for the whole thing.

Martin McGuinness admits freely he was in the IRA, Phil Hogan still has his goons come to my house looking for me to vote for him election after election when I know he sent a letter which did not tell the truth.

One shouldn't believe the words of Phil Hogan, this is the idiot that released the budget ahead of time...

Either way, it was neither TD's job to look after a road.

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

That was a tongue in Cheek comment hence the smiley:)

Fair enough so

niallers1 wrote: »

Any BTW, I have never voted for SF..I will be voting for MMcG though as he is the most qualified and capable Politician amongst the other candidates.

Well, as I said on another thread...

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You'll forgive my cynicism, but Boards.ie is flooded with posters who sing the praises of SF but deny being SF supporters or members. Don't feel bad - I think it's a credit to SF that they've seen the value of manipulating internet discussions. The other parties are well behind.

KeithAFC

Sinn Fein are most likely putting this rumour in the public domain to harm his election campaign.

Min

kbannon wrote: »

Either way, it was neither TD's job to look after a road.

Both were on the local council at the time as well as being TDs.

Monty Burnz

Min wrote: »

A number of years ago his biggest rival from FF, a McGuinness :pac: came out twice after a flood ripped up my road and it was so dangerous it was mentioned on local radio to avoid.
No sign of Phil Hogan, McGuinness kept us in touch with the developments when it came to the repair job - the whole road had to be relaid.
When the job was completed Phil Hogan sent out a letter saying he was responsible for the whole thing.

I think Phil Hogan is the worst type of politician, but your story just goes to show how easy it is to fool the Irish voter. How do you know who got the work done? How do you know who should get the credit, if any?

You give all the credit to the guy who was sending out letters, and none to the guy who - for all you know - was actually doing stuff to get it done.

Having said that - Phil Hogan is classic gombeen politician imo.

thebman

KeithAFC wrote: »

Sinn Fein are most likely putting this rumour in the public domain to harm his election campaign.

Throwing mud at other candidates only strengthens their campaign though. SF should be creaming up by going on about the allegations made on the Eamon Dunphy show that he is getting paid as an MP and so is not on the average wage when he won't swear an oath to the queens so apparently doesn't get that money.

If your going to throw mud, make sure it sticks. SF should have just started making demands today that GM back up these allegations if they wanted to hurt him IMO.

Pangea

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

we know what moral ground mcg has :rolleyes:
he could start with answering and telling the truth which we all know he cant as he would get jail time ,as far as low levels,sein fein party knows all the trick in that regard

You cant change the goalposts here, stay on the issue which is dirty tricks, if that's the case anytime Sinn fein does anything right you can just ignore it by bringing up the ira and yadad yada yada.
The reality is the only party guilty of dirty tricks is Fine Gael and Gay Mitchell.
Mc Guinness was right yesterday when he called Mitchell a ignorant man for the way he behaved on the dunphy show.

Monty Burnz

Pangea wrote: »

The reality is the only party guilty of dirty tricks is Fine Gael and Gay Mitchell.

I must have missed this: what dirty tricks have FG used? Has Mitchell said something?

Pangea

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I must have missed this: what dirty tricks have FG used? Has Mitchell said something?

Where have you been for the past two weeks.

HellsAngel

niallers1 wrote: »

Dirty Tricks..I believe FG are black belt ninjas when it comes to the black art of running a negative campaign..

And obviously this thread is part of it !!!!!

Zubeneschamali

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I must have missed this: what dirty tricks have FG used? Has Mitchell said something?

Mitchell has, of course, said lots of things.

Has he said anything that would qualify as a dirty trick? Pointing out that McGuinness was an enemy of the state doesn't qualify, as that's completely true.

Mr.Micro

Pangea wrote: »

You cant change the goalposts here, stay on the issue which is dirty tricks, if that's the case anytime Sinn fein does anything right you can just ignore it by bringing up the ira and yadad yada yada.
The reality is the only party guilty of dirty tricks is Fine Gael and Gay Mitchell.
Mc Guinness was right yesterday when he called Mitchell a ignorant man for the way he behaved on the dunphy show.

I am sure Mitchell can live with being called ignorant and coming from McG and his credentials its a positive compliment.

Monty Burnz

Pangea wrote: »

Where have you been for the past two weeks.

Following the news. What were the dirty tricks?

HellsAngel

Pangea wrote: »

You cant change the goalposts here, stay on the issue which is dirty tricks, if that's the case anytime Sinn fein does anything right you can just ignore it by bringing up the ira and yadad yada yada.
The reality is the only party guilty of dirty tricks is Fine Gael and Gay Mitchell.
Mc Guinness was right yesterday when he called Mitchell a ignorant man for the way he behaved on the dunphy show.

Agreed, it's actually backfiring on Mitchell and FG. The fact that Mitchell according to polls only get less than half the vote FG got and the MMcG of SF getting a big increse on theirs in the election a few months ago says it all.

HellsAngel

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Following the news. What were the dirty tricks?

A question that stupid doesn't deserve to be answered :rolleyes:

charlemont

George Penguin Mitchell does seem to a wee bit like teflon, Maybe possibly he is been "Protected" by people in high places !!! Its a possibility.. You never know..

Monty Burnz

HellsAngel wrote: »

A question that stupid doesn't deserve to be answered :rolleyes:

If it's a stupid question, it is very easily answered. What is the answer?

Or is it that there have been no dirty tricks so you can't name them?

InigoMontoya

Min wrote: »

I am from Kilkenny, let me say Phil Hogan is a disgrace and I am happy I didn't vote for him.
A number of years ago his biggest rival from FF, a McGuinness :pac: came out twice after a flood ripped up my road and it was so dangerous it was mentioned on local radio to avoid.
No sign of Phil Hogan, McGuinness kept us in touch with the developments when it came to the repair job - the whole road had to be relaid.
When the job was completed Phil Hogan sent out a letter saying he was responsible for the whole thing.

Martin McGuinness admits freely he was in the IRA, Phil Hogan still has his goons come to my house looking for me to vote for him election after election when I know he sent a letter which did not tell the truth.

What I don't get is why you (apparently) believe the FF guy had something to do with it? Keeping up to date with county council matters and then taking credit for their work is a pretty common modus operandi for politicians, this looks like a case of both of them playing the same game.

I think its valid if people would like to know what Martin McGuinness actually did in the IRA.

Monty Burnz

Pangea wrote: »

Where have you been for the past two weeks.

Well, I see that you are still reading the thread as you thanked a post saying that I asked a stupid question, but I note that you have not answered: what were the FG dirty tricks?


I note that your buddy Hell's Angel hasn't come up with any either... :rolleyes:

My name is URL

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, I see that you are still reading the thread as you thanked a post saying that I asked a stupid question, but I note that you have not answered: what were the FG dirty tricks?

Unreal.. you're more than happy to conclude that sparse mentions of Mitchell's cousin are the result of a SF orientated smear campaign but yet you're unwilling to see or accept the very public campaign against McGuinness by FG members.

Pangea

Monty Burnz wrote: »

If it's a stupid question, it is very easily answered. What is the answer?

Or is it that there have been no dirty tricks so you can't name them?

Well if you have been following the news, then you would be aware of them but you obviously believe they weren't dirty tricks, so us pointing them out to you is not going to change your perspective in the matter.
Also this thread was created about Sinn Fein having dirty tricks on an assumption :eek:.

Monty Burnz

My name is URL wrote: »

Unreal.. you're more than happy to conclude that sparse mentions of Mitchell's cousin are the result of a SF orientated smear campaign but yet you're unwilling to see or accept the very public campaign against McGuinness by FG members.

What are the 'dirty tricks'? It's not a difficult question if there actually were some.

Here's an example of a dirty trick: the members of a political party going onto web forums and starting blatantly false rumours about criminal funding for a politician's electoral campaign. That's a dirty trick.

So where are the FG dirty tricks?

thebman

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, I see that you are still reading the thread as you thanked a post saying that I asked a stupid question, but I note that you have not answered: what were the FG dirty tricks?


I note that your buddy Hell's Angel hasn't come up with any either... :rolleyes:

Have a listen to this:
http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/programmes/martin-mcguinness-and-gay-mitchell/#respond

My name is URL

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What are the 'dirty tricks'? It's not a difficult question if there actually were some.

Here's an example of a dirty trick: the members of a political party going onto web forums and starting blatantly false rumours about criminal funding for a politician's electoral campaign. That's a dirty trick.

Read as; it's only a dirty trick when the target is the party I support.

And still not a shred of evidence from you to suggest that SF are in any way involved in what has been said only once or twice regarding Mitchell.

So where are the FG dirty tricks?

Democratically elected representatives using their bestowed positions to interfere with another supposedly democratic election. That seems quite dirty to me. The governments Chief Whip suggesting that McGuinness is surviving off the proceeds of the Northern Bank robbery.. you really see nothing questionable about that?

Mr.Micro

My name is URL wrote: »

The governments Chief Whip suggesting that McGuinness is surviving off the proceeds of the Northern Bank robbery.. you really see nothing questionable about that?

Is he?

My name is URL

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Is he?

Yep..

Why would you need your salary when you have the proceeds of the northern bank at your disposal.

http://twitter.com/#!/govchiefwhip/status/120445834067320833

http://www.thejournal.ie/twitter-attack-on-mcguinness-launched-from-chief-whips-account-243201-Oct2011/

Monty Burnz

My name is URL wrote: »

Read as; it's only a dirty trick when the target is the party I support.

Sorry buddy, I'm on record on Boards as stating that I don't support FG, and I didn't vote for them at the last election. For the next one, I'm supporting Higgins.

I hope that doesn't ruin your defence of the Shinners.

My name is URL wrote: »

And still not a shred of evidence from you to suggest that SF are in any way involved in what has been said only once or twice regarding Mitchell.

It's been said more than a few times already. As I said, I imagine the idea came from a Shinner forum rather than central office.

My name is URL wrote: »

Democratically elected representatives using their bestowed positions to interfere with another supposedly democratic election.

What the hell does this mean?? Politicians aren't supposed to comment on elections anymore, according to you?

My name is URL wrote: »

That seems quite dirty to me. The governments Chief Whip suggesting that McGuinness is surviving off the proceeds of the Northern Bank robbery.. you really see nothing questionable about that?

I don't think it's very smart, and I don't know if it's possible for Phil Hogan to go lower in my estimation, but if McGuinness is making a big play about how he'll live on the average industrial wage like the common man, it seems that his other sources of income should be fair game. And his party have been known to liberate money from banks 'for the cause'.

I used to always wonder why I used to see armed soldiers travelling with cash deliveries to the banks in cities. Then the IRA murdered Jerry McCabe with an AK47, and shot his parter, and I understood why.

My name is URL

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's been said more than a few times already. As I said, I imagine the idea came from a Shinner forum rather than central office.

What you imagine isn't always going to be the truth. You asserted many times in this thread that SF are behind the rumour that Mitchell's campaign is being funded by a criminal, and have as yet not backed it up with any evidence. There's a Conspiracy Theories forum for dubious matters such as this.

What the hell does this mean?? Politicians aren't supposed to comment on elections anymore, according to you?

They can comment all they want, but they should stick to verifiable facts.. otherwise it seems desperate and childish. And it doesn't say much for democracy in this country.

I used to always wonder why I used to see armed soldiers travelling with cash deliveries to the banks in cities. Then the IRA murdered Jerry McCabe with an AK47, and shot his parter, and I understood why.

I'm glad you found enlightenment on the matter. Not entirely sure what that has to do with this thread, mind.