Is Fine Gael's ,Phil Hogan the real Terrorist?

niallers1

Definition of Terrorism- "Acts or words intended to create fear (terror) and are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal.


Phil Hogan/FG has tried to frighten people by saying that jobs will be lost if MMcG is elected. At a time when people are worried about losing their jobs or worried that their children will have to emigrate to get a Job. This is dispicable carry on.

This is obvious scare mongering and will frighten some people who do not realise that this is nonsense. Mc Guinness is just back from the USA where he was on a Jobs/investment drive.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hxEC0Gqrd-mommzUNXXyGfcW05ag?docId=N0255761315434638200A

harrythehat

Puh-lease.

meglome

I'm no fan of Sinn Fein but I wasn't impressed with what he said. Pure scaremongering. (though let's not get carried away with the terrorism stuff)

paulgalway

I think all these attacks on McGuinness by FG says more about FG that McGuinness. There are 2 reasons for this:-

• FG realise they are in trouble in the election and hope to frighten people into NOT voting for McGuinness.

• Enda Kenny dreads the thought of dealing with McGuinness if he gets elected.

RandomName2

meglome wrote: »

I'm no fan of Sinn Fein but I wasn't impressed with what he said. Pure scaremongering. (though let's not get carried away with the terrorism stuff)

Yet you had no problem with "Yes For Jobs"?

I would personally consider MMcG's colourful past, anti-EU and anti-UK stances to, at least, not foster the prospect of job growth (whether it definitely would do harm is debatable, it almost certainly do no good).

But good work OP for the lol.

scuba8

niallers1 wrote: »

Definition of Terrorism- "Acts or words intended to create fear (terror) and are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal.


Phil Hogan/FG has tried to frighten people by saying that jobs will be lost if MMcG is elected. At a time when people are worried about losing their jobs or worried that their children will have to emigrate to get a Job. This is dispicable carry on.

This is obvious scare mongering and will frighten some people who do not realise that this is nonsense. Mc Guinness is just back from the USA where he was on a Jobs/investment drive.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hxEC0Gqrd-mommzUNXXyGfcW05ag?docId=N0255761315434638200A

Are you a paid Sinn Fein activist? It seems that you are involved in all the posts that are anti IRA, anti McGuiness etc.

headmaster

Still no one from FG has come out and denied that a criminal in Holland is financing Mitchels presedential campaign, or that the criminal is a relation of the MP. Can this be true?

Monty Burnz

No, I'm pretty sure the IRA man is the real terrorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgEyriA9yRo

scuba8

headmaster wrote: »

Still no one from FG has come out and denied that a criminal in Holland is financing Mitchels presedential campaign, or that the criminal is a relation of the MP. Can this be true?

Is any of the money the IRA received from the Columbian drug lord, for showing them how to make bombs, going to fund the Sinn Fein presidential candidate. Could this be true?

Monty Burnz

headmaster wrote: »

Still no one from FG has come out and denied that a criminal in Holland is financing Mitchels presedential campaign, or that the criminal is a relation of the MP. Can this be true?

No it can't. Hope that helps - and good luck finding any actual mud to sling at Mitchell or Michael D. I don't believe they were involved in any murders.

Monty Burnz

scuba8 wrote: »

Is any of the money the IRA received from the Columbian drug lord, for showing them how to make bombs, going to fund the Sinn Fein presidential candidate. Could this be true?

How about any of the money from the Northern Bank robbery? Or will they stage another fund-raising mission like the one where they murdered Gerry McCabe? :rolleyes:

Are you sure the 'where are the funds from' road is one that SF want to go donw?

Fr Tod Umptious

I am really not sure if who the president is is going to make a huge difference in whether companies invest in Ireland or not.

It has more to do with tax, labour costs, supply of labour, education levels, etc

Mental Mickey

paulgalway wrote: »

I think all these attacks on McGuinness by FG says more about FG that McGuinness. There are 2 reasons for this:-

• FG realise they are in trouble in the election and hope to frighten people into NOT voting for McGuinness.

• Enda Kenny dreads the thought of dealing with McGuinness if he gets elected.

This.

maccored

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How about any of the money from the Northern Bank robbery? Or will they stage another fund-raising mission like the one where they murdered Gerry McCabe? :rolleyes:

Are you sure the 'where are the funds from' road is one that SF want to go donw?

jebus, this mysterious bank robbery again.

Monty Burnz

maccored wrote: »

jebus, this mysterious bank robbery again.

Indeed. If only we knew of some organisation that was inclined to liberate large quantities of cash from Irish banks...

By the way, if FG really wanted to win this election, I imagine they'd have chosen a better candidate than the totally wooden Mitchell. I doubt they'll lose any sleep when he loses.

maccored

look - going by the evidence gathered through various investigations, I could say the Smurfs done it and it would be as true as insisting SF or the PIRA had anything to do with it.

Dont know about you, but I believe in democracy. Accusations were made and the courts and various investigations never backed up those accusations, so therefore - as a democratically minded person - I must assume they werent true.

Trial by media though .... thats much better eh? If the 'dogs in the street' say so, then its obviously true ...... give over with the bullsh*t and accept they didnt do it.

headmaster

Jaysus, i still think Mitchell has a lot to answer for. Whatever about McGuiness, i've never seen any proof against him, but this Mitchell character, i'm having big doubts. That penguin cousin of his could have done the northern bank robbery, there's no smoke without fire. I doubt Michael D did anything wrong. This Mitchell fella though, he has a lot of stuff to answer. I wonder why did Enda not want him to run and why did he send him to europe, there's dirt there somewhere, by jaysus there is.

NIMAN

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How about any of the money from the Northern Bank robbery? Or will they stage another fund-raising mission like the one where they murdered Gerry McCabe? :rolleyes:

Are you sure the 'where are the funds from' road is one that SF want to go donw?

iirc the only money found that was proved to have come from the Northern Bank robbery was found in a social club that was used by RUC officers.

maccored

NIMAN wrote: »

iirc the only money found that was proved to have come from the Northern Bank robbery was found in a social club that was used by RUC officers.

plus it gave trimble the perfect excuse not to meet sinn fein .... amazing timing if you ask me.

Monty Burnz

NIMAN wrote: »

iirc the only money found that was proved to have come from the Northern Bank robbery was found in a social club that was used by RUC officers.

You don't recall correctly. Ted Cunningham was convicted of laundering some of the money:

Cork-based financial advisor and money lender Ted Cunningham, who was convicted on money laundering charges last month, has been jailed for ten years at the Circuit Criminal Court in Cork.
Cunningham, 60, of Woodbine Lodge, Farran, was found guilty at Cork Circuit Criminal Court of ten counts of laundering more than £3m from the Northern Bank robbery in Belfast in 2004.
Sentencing him this afternoon, Judge Con Murphy said he had persisted to the end of the trial with a concocted alibi that the money had come from Bulgarians who wanted to buy a gravel pit from him.
Judge Murphy gave Cunningham's 33-year-old son Timothy a suspended three-year jail sentence after he was told that he was a minor player who was being led by his father.
Cunningham's conviction is the most significant development to date in a four-and-a-half year investigation by gardaí codenamed 'Operation Phoenix', which was set up in the wake of the Northern Bank raid.
In February 2005, gardaí detectives seized £2.3m from a locked cupboard in the basement of Mr Cunningham's home.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0424/cunninghamt.html

And of course a former vice-president of Sinn Fein was connected to the cash too:

In February 2005, Flynn's office was raided by officers of the Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) as part of an investigation into alleged IRA money-laundering. Flynn was a non-executive directors Chesterton Finance Company Ltd, a company at the centre of the CAB investigation. As a result, he resigned as chairman of the Irish Government committee on decentralisation, as non-executive chairman of Bank of Scotland (Ireland) and as director of the VHI. During the search of his officers, Flynn was found to be the illegal possession of a pen gun and mini tear gas canisters

I'm not sure what a legitimate business man is doing with illegal guns and tear gas, but there you go.

What did Cunningham have to say about Flynn's involvement?

THE key statement from Ted Cunningham came at the Bridewell Garda Station on the second day he was in custody when he was described as blurting out: "Phil Flynn is the boss behind everything" and confirming the money was from the Northern Bank robbery.
However, before this off-tape interview he had claimed the money came from Bulgarians buying a sand pit. He later returned to this account when he gave evidence in court, but also used elements of the off-tape interview.

Instead of testifying that the Bulgarians brought all the money to Farran, he said they brought some of it there and he travelled for five further "drops" of money in Tullamore and Navan.

Cunningham requested to come off tape and talk to the head of the investigation, Detective Chief Superintendent Tony Quilter, who later described Cunningham as blurting out information, signing a rough transcript of the interview and initialling every page.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/idqlsneymh/#ixzz1ZikSFgb0

I wonder why he'd want to avoid implicating the former senior Sinn Fein man? Was he perhaps a little bit scared of what would happen to him? It's not like SF/IRA have any form when it comes to executing informers, does it?:rolleyes:

SINN FÉIN STATEMENT: SINN FÉIN’S presidential candidate Martin McGuinness has repeated his denial that he lured IRA “informer’’ Frank Hegarty back to Derry to his death in 1986.

A Sinn Féin statement said Mr McGuinness had already rejected the allegations as completely untrue.

“He understands the very deep hurt of the Hegarty family and their need for truth and justice,’’ the statement added.

The party was responding to extensive coverage of the matter in yesterday’s Irish Mail on Sunday , featuring a front page photograph of Mr Hegarty’s body on a country road taken from an ITV Cook Report programme screened in the 1990s.

The article said that the family of Mr Hegarty, “shot in the head by the IRA for ‘informing’ have voiced their horror at the prospect of Martin McGuinness becoming President of Ireland’’.

The family claimed “Mr McGuinness inveigled his way into their home with promises that Frank would not be harmed if he came home to Derry and met the IRA’’.

The family was quoted as claiming “that beneath the Sinn Féin presidential candidate’s charming manner lay a ruthless, deceitful man”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0926/1224304755735.html

Monty Burnz

maccored wrote: »

look - going by the evidence gathered through various investigations, I could say the Smurfs done it and it would be as true as insisting SF or the PIRA had anything to do with it.

Ah, fair enough. I didn't realise that you were one of those people who believe what they like to believe, like creationists, rather than believe what the evidence points towards.

Sorry for wasting your time.

paulgalway

I think McGuinnes would be good as president. He has had to work with Paisley, Robinson, etc. They can accept him, are we not able to do the same?

Also, politics here need a shake up - no better man than McGuinness and SF.

Monty Burnz

paulgalway wrote: »

I think McGuinnes would be good as president. He has had to work with Paisley, Robinson, etc. They can accept him, are we not able to do the same?

Robert Mugabe had to work with the MDC in Zimbabwe. I guess he'd be a good president too.

problemchimp

Phil Hogan is a bit of a knob.

problemchimp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Robert Mugabe had to work with the MDC in Zimbabwe. I guess he'd be a good president too.

Which council gave him the nomination?

Monty Burnz

problemchimp wrote: »

Phil Hogan is a bit of a knob.

This is true. He's the kind of gombeen who should really be in Fianna Failure.

paulgalway

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Robert Mugabe had to work with the MDC in Zimbabwe. I guess he'd be a good president too.

Thought you had to be Irish to be president?

niallers1

scuba8 wrote: »

Are you a paid Sinn Fein activist? It seems that you are involved in all the posts that are anti IRA, anti McGuiness etc.

No, I've never voted for them but will be voting for MMcG as I believe he is the best candidate for the job. He is by far, more Politically exeperienced.

He is also not rising to the FG tantrums and is showing himself to be the most Presidential of all the candidates.

Leader of the Northern Assembly, Peace maker, Negotiatior at International level and somebody who can deliver.

I think we should be very happy that somebody of his calibre is running for office.

I think for many in FG, MMcG is a reminder to them that they left a lot of people behind when their party agreed to partition all those years ago. It is a huge failing of FG and they are reminded through him that they let down so many of their fellow Irishmen and Women living in Antrim, Armagh,Down, Fermanagh, Derry and Tyrone.

Monty Burnz

paulgalway wrote: »

Thought you had to be Irish to be president?

Excellent point. I guess that makes Mugabe unsuitable, in spite of his other excellent qualities.

alastair

paulgalway wrote: »

Thought you had to be Irish to be president?

Sure Norris is African.

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

He is also not rising to the FG tantrums and is showing himself to be the most Presidential of all the candidates.

Why did he call people who disagree with him 'West Brits'? Was that not a tantrum? And offensive?

nordydan

There are enough well articulated arguments that FG could make against MMG's candidature, without having to resort to outright lies and pathetic scaremongering.

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

I think for many in FG, MMcG is a reminder to them that they left a lot of people behind when their party agreed to partition all those years ago. It is a huge failing of FG and they are reminded through him that they let down so many of their fellow Irishmen and Women living in Antrim, Armagh,Down, Fermanagh, Derry and Tyrone.

By the way, FG didn't exist when partition occurred. But I see aren't that you interested in 'truth' or 'facts' or any of that old garbage, so carry on.

niallers1

Monty Burnz wrote: »

By the way, FG didn't exist when partition occurred. But I see aren't that you interested in 'truth' or 'facts' or any of that old garbage, so carry on.

What are the facts..Please provide links to your facts.

All I hear so far from the Gay camp (no pun intended) is scaremongering, hearsay,rumour and conjecture..

fred252

niallers1 wrote: »

Definition of Terrorism- "Acts or words intended to create fear (terror) and are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal.

That wouldn't be the number 1 definition of terrorism. This would be more like it:

"
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
"

As far as I know Phil Hogan hasn't used violence for political purposes.

headmaster

Is there any truth in the rumour doing the rounds, that a Dutch based criminal cousin of Mitchell, is funding his presidential campaign bid? If american buisness's hear of this, they'll run a mile. I think Gay Mitchell will have to publicly come out and deny this and also prove it. The public deserves to know the truth.

InigoMontoya

niallers1 wrote: »

I think for many in FG, MMcG is a reminder to them that they left a lot of people behind when their party agreed to partition all those years ago. It is a huge failing of FG and they are reminded through him that they let down so many of their fellow Irishmen and Women living in Antrim, Armagh,Down, Fermanagh, Derry and Tyrone.

A shrewd point, given that FG didn't exist when partition was agreed.

niallers1

fred252 wrote: »

That wouldn't be the number 1 definition of terrorism. This would be more like it:

"
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
"

As far as I know Phil Hogan hasn't used violence for political purposes.

Words can be low level violence... It was definetly intended to frighten people.. This is a new low for FG ..Frightening people into thinking that jobs would be lost when they are already concerned about losing their job.. Shame on FG

thebman

Terrorism is a strong word, I think MMG should take him to court after the campaign.

I don't think he has anything to back up such statements. Altogether FG should fight the campaign on the merit of their own candidate and stop having a go at MMG.

Just makes them look like they lack confidence in their own candidate when they resort to attacking MMG. Is there no redeeming points to Mitchell that they can talk about instead?

niallers1

InigoMontoya wrote: »

A shrewd point, given that FG didn't exist when partition was agreed.

FG's origins are in the Pro Treaty..You know this.

You also know that their origins are from the ranks of the fascist blueshirts.. Do they still give the Nazi salute or did that disappear when they morphed with the Blue shirts. I must attend a FG meeting out of curiosity..

Monty Burnz

headmaster wrote: »

Is there any truth in the rumour doing the rounds, that a Dutch based criminal cousin of Mitchell, is funding his presidential campaign bid? If american buisness's hear of this, they'll run a mile. I think Gay Mitchell will have to publicly come out and deny this and also prove it. The public deserves to know the truth.

There's no truth in it - I think you'll find it's part of a dirty tricks campaign launched by the Shinners today. Lots of posters here are suddenly asking if there's 'any truth in the rumour', knowing full well there isn't, but trying to start the rumour.

People may even be dumb enough to fall for it. Sure some people think that McGuinness really left the IRA in 1974.

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

FG's origins are in the Pro Treaty..You know this.

Indeed, but they didn't exist at the time of partition as anyone with an interest in Irish history knows.

niallers1 wrote: »

You also know that their origins are from the ranks of the fascist blueshirts.. Do they still give the Nazi salute or did that disappear when they morphed with the Blue shirts. I must attend a FG meeting out of curiosity..

I'm pretty sure they don't. Do Sinn Fein/IRA still blow up toddlers out shopping with their mothers?

niallers1

I would say the young George Penquin Mitchell is definetly a Fine Gaeler... Birds of a feather flock together.. especially when it comes to feathering the family nest:)

niallers1

Time to move on Monty..Living in the past is no good for anybody...

super_furry

As long as Phil Hogan wasn't involved in a bombing campaign that killed hundreds and an assasination campaign that did likewise, then no. Phil Hogan isn't the real terrorist.

Got to love all this 'can we not just move on?' rhetoric from McGuinness and his supporters, while still arguing about whether Fine Gael were pro-treaty or not an harping back to the "800 years of oppression".

johngalway

super_furry wrote: »

Got to love all this 'can we not just move on?' rhetoric from McGuinness and his supporters, while still arguing about whether Fine Gael were pro-treaty or not an harping back to the "800 years of oppression".

Very odd type of memory the shinners have. 800 years? No problem! 20 years ago? No problem!

Thirty years ago? No memory!

Pick a point on the wall and keep staring lads :rolleyes:

niallers1

super_furry wrote: »

As long as Phil Hogan wasn't involved in a bombing campaign that killed hundreds and an assasination campaign that did likewise, then no. Phil Hogan isn't the real terrorist.

Got to love all this 'can we not just move on?' rhetoric from McGuinness and his supporters, while still arguing about whether Fine Gael were pro-treaty or not an harping back to the "800 years of oppression".

Ok, If you stop harping on about the troubles in the north I'll stop harping on about the past 800 years..

Just remind yourself of the root cause . Put the 30 years of the troubles in context of 800 years of conflict in Ireland . What is the root cause?

The root cause was a nation with bigger guns,weaponry, resources and population bullying and degrading a smaller country. And to add insult to injury partitioned the country on the way out and gerrymandered it so the Catholic Irish remaining were treated in a discusting manner and the People in the South just sat back and pretended it had nothing to do with them...Out of sight out of mind..

charlemont

Phil Hogan is a clown...I'd like to find out more about The Penguin and his links to his cousin Gay Mitchell.

Monty Burnz

charlemont wrote: »

Phil Hogan is a clown...I'd like to find out more about The Penguin and his links to his cousin Gay Mitchell.

I've started a thread on it here.

Monty Burnz

niallers1 wrote: »

Time to move on Monty..Living in the past is no good for anybody...

So why did McGuinness and his Shinner pals refuse to meet QE2?

Bizarre doublethink.

super_furry

niallers1 wrote: »

Ok, If you stop harping on about the troubles in the north I'll stop harping on about the past 800 years..

If only that were true. I mean you follow up that line with what? A big rant about the "800 years of oppression".