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Lets Talk About How 50 In The Process Of Dropping The AOTY
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02-10-2011 2:37pm#1Even the haters cant hate on these tracks, officially a mixtape but every song wouldnt be out of place on an official major label release.
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Another banger, cant wait for the mixtape, altho at this point ill have heard every track by the time it drops.
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actually surprised with that mate, personally think this is some of his best work in a long while.
id agree without a doubt its some of his best music in a long time,im liking the beats big time i think 50 is improving his ear for beats, the loss of sha money was huge imo he always brought a real edge to a 50 project album or mixtape, you look at the work sha money is doing with dre's new artist slim the mobster some of the beats he is producing for him for his new album are imo perfect for 50, just an example.as for his flow and content, flow isnt a problem for me and this is actually the first time ive seen it mentioned, content wise your not gonna get any different from 50, same way no one changes their content, dont get this fascination people have about certain rappers needing to change their content.
iv seen it on a few sites but imo i think every rapper at some point has to progress and give us something new 50 hasnt done this even though he claims his new album will lead the way and shake up hip hop (via his twitter) i don't know how he is going to lead the way if his music sounds the same with an actual worse flow, in all he has no real substance behind his music at the moment and hasnt for quite some time imo, i really think he is at a cross roads in his career i think bisd reflected that there were some just awful songs on it. but look maybe as its because im matureing as a hip hop fan and i really start to relize that millionaire's dont sell crack/drugs dont run around shooting people or live in the hood thats why recently i find it hard to relate to all this talk from rappers like 50, game, jay z etc who just keep on re-cycling the same lyrics on different beats.
im not saying anything they done in the past is fake etc but we have crossed that bridge, heard that story a tousand times over... i just want to hear something different from 50 and a lot of other rappers. im not suggesting they go techno or pop but to just change there lane slightly and give us something different. its hard for most gangsta rappers to rap about anything else that isnt gangsta related without being called a sellout etc but look if 50 can do a song called candy shop or baby by me why cant he do a song about a real life situation or struggle etc look at wu tang clan and the reason behind their longevity and success in hip hop sure they might'n sell as much as 50 but you can bet your last euro that the quality of music is top notch as well as touching on elements of hip hop not just the gun talk.
i know i dont sound like much of a fan of 50's at the moment mainly its me being pisse* off about the decline of him as an artist and the decline in his music but look a bit of change is what id like to hear from 50 as fan.
i dont want hear another bisd or hyped up pei*e of rubbish like the red album, i want this album to be actually good and i think 50 needs this album to be good for the sake of his musical career, i would love to hear another i get money or in da club etc to kick the album off that would be class but it doesn't look likely as 50 seems to be going the commercial route with jeramiah, so i dont know what to expect really from 50 anymore.the problem for me is, he shud keep tracks like this for albums, not suggesting the album would sell hugely but i think he would benifit from the great reviews rather than the sales.
to be honest bud id be disappointed to hear these songs on a 50 album, i dont think there good enough there not album material even though the freestyles are in song structure as 50 done with all his mixtapes really, id like to hear some material like they burn me where he is rapping about a relevant issue in his life thats a very rare thing to get from 50 these days.0 -
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@ jimmy iovine....il give cham a try sometime during the week and let you know what i think of him, i know he's a good rapper but just never got around to giving him a try.:)genuinely, ive been on a few forums, this the first place i seen anyone mention his flow, and the hate for 50 goes strong.
honestly hugh iv seen it mentioned numerous times over the past 2 years and iv noticed it myself, on certain tracks its very noticeable he's just not on point with the beats/lazy half arsed kind of flow.. the last thing i want to do is post up horrible 50 songs where its evident but look "im on it" is a great example he sounds terrible on it, he seems to be getting very fond of trying to successfully rap in different accents too which imo isnt working for him. but look go back and listen to his older stuff there's something missing behind his music these days imo maybe its substance
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Even though i hate rick ross for the fraud that he is, i do think that beef done 50 damage musically, its true ross did seriously rape 50 on the music front but 50 did expose him for the clown he is but the whole beef hurt 50 musically it was evident as banks and yayo were dropped from interscope during the beef and bisd flopping after being pushed back several times.
again hugh you know im a 50 fan and im not hating because as you said it goes strong for 50 iv seen it all, but sometimes hate can be mistaken for constructive critism and there's just something missing from 50's music these days imo.:)
but i hope he proves me wrong and drops another classic because he's due 1, at least another banger of a single he hasnt had one since 07 with i get money, its long over due.:)0 -
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ah no definitely, im one of fif's biggest supporters but im a grown man so wouldnt claim something is great wen its not, i wouldnt be so obsessed that id have a blinkered opinion about everything he drops.mufcboy1999 wrote: »@ jimmy iovine....il give cham a try sometime during the week and let you know what i think of him, i know he's a good rapper but just never got around to giving him a try.:)
honestly hugh iv seen it mentioned numerous times over the past 2 years and iv noticed it myself, on certain tracks its very noticeable he's just not on point with the beats/lazy half arsed kind of flow.. the last thing i want to do is post up horrible 50 songs where its evident but look "im on it" is a great example he sounds terrible on it, he seems to be getting very fond of trying to successfully rap in different accents too which imo isnt working for him. but look go back and listen to his older stuff there's something missing behind his music these days imo maybe its substance.
Even though i hate rick ross for the fraud that he is, i do think that beef done 50 damage musically, its true ross did seriously rape 50 on the music front but 50 did expose him for the clown he is but the whole beef hurt 50 musically it was evident as banks and yayo were dropped from interscope during the beef and bisd flopping after being pushed back several times.
again hugh you know im a 50 fan and im not hating because as you said it goes strong for 50 iv seen it all, but sometimes hate can be mistaken for constructive critism and there's just something missing from 50's music these days imo.:)
but i hope he proves me wrong and drops another classic because he's due 1, at least another banger of a single he hasnt had one since 07 with i get money, its long over due.:)
but i also know the difference between hate and "criticism" of somethin thats just not that good.
most of what you read about 50 stems from hate, there may be an element of truth but it stems from hate, but thats the internet and thats how we get our rocks off on the internet, we talk shyt about artists we dont like, more times than not triggered by the person starting the thread or making the comment.
you only need look in here to see how that happens.
the middle ground, from those who normally talk sense is he hasnt fallen off that much, his flow is no where as bad as mentioned, his sales will never be as good as they were but thats not a sign of anything rick ross done, nor did rr harm fif in any way, lets be real here buddy.
personally mate i think your at that point in your hip hop life where your looking for something else, i seen you mention substance and you made the dreaded "hip hop is dead" comment...:D
paraphrasing but i seen something like that.
i dont know mate, weve a strong difference of opinion here, which is cool, maybe your tastes are evolving.
you strictly hip hop or you listen to different forms of music?0 -
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Hugh Cream wrote: »tbf mate youve said on occasion that your stuck in the 90s.
You say that like it's a bad thing
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ah no definitely, im one of fif's biggest supporters but im a grown man so wouldnt claim something is great wen its not, i wouldnt be so obsessed that id have a blinkered opinion about everything he drops.
but i also know the difference between hate and "criticism" of somethin thats just not that good.
im not saying the above tracks arnt good because they are, but its down to opinion i personally don't think they are anything amazing and as good as you do. you have to imite hugh he has fallen of somewhat in the last few years i mean even recent tracks like outlaw and im on it have flopped and failed to create a buzz so its round 2 again for 50 with this new single girls gone wild which i believe is coming soon.most of what you read about 50 stems from hate, there may be an element of truth but it stems from hate, but thats the internet and thats how we get our rocks off on the internet, we talk shyt about artists we dont like, more times than not triggered by the person starting the thread or making the comment.
you only need look in here to see how that happens.
id agree 100 per cent the hate for him is unreal, mainly down to the fact of his success.the middle ground, from those who normally talk sense is he hasnt fallen off that much, his flow is no where as bad as mentioned, his sales will never be as good as they were but thats not a sign of anything rick ross done, nor did rr harm fif in any way, lets be real here buddy.
50 went from multi platinum success on his 1st 3 albums to barely gold on his 4th and is without an actual hip hop hit since 07... baby by me charted but still done poor aswell as 50 selling the f*ck out on it, it was no more than a pop song and those songs he ft'd on that were successful of late weren't his to be calling his own like he pretty much does with down on me etc.
50 has fallen right of hugh mate and its as clear as day light to see, his flow is not terrible but it has taken a hit imo, honestly im a fan seen him live 3 times, he was the 1st ever underground rapper i ever payed attention to, I have all his albums and mixtapes, iv seen him rise and witnessed him fall victim to the industry candy shop,baby by me etc are things gangsta rappers are not meant to do but the temptation of the lucrative commercial hip pop was too much, although 50 does keep his albums strictly gangsta bar the 2 or 3 songs.
on the rick ross front, although my hatred for rick ross goes strong at the time he was making good music and 50 was struggling with singles like i get it in, get up etc not doing great and flopping aswell as banks and yayo being dropped from the label.. 50 was and still is compared to rick ross you can see the it on various hip hop forums, 50 is considered a global hip hop star on the commercial front like your eminems and jay z's all sold millions of records and numerous world tours.. i think 50 learned a lesson beefing with a lesser rapper like a rick ross... 50 had everything to lose and ross had everything to gain.. although 50 exposed him for being a fraud, he never delivered that death blow that he claimed to have done because if anything that beef made ross even more relevant you can see it through the publicity he gets aswell as a lot of rappers jumping on his d*ck looking to collab with him.
50 was naive jumping into that beef imo, i think he actually said he was in an interview a while ago. you see shyne desperate to beef with 50 just like at one time 50 was desperate to beef with jay z after the whole men lie women lie numbers dont which was definitily subliminally aimed at 50's bisd sales a trademark subliminal diss by jay.
there comes a time when you just have to pick and choose your battles, 50 would imo beat jay z if they ever did beaf musically why? 50 would have so much more to gain than jay z... what better way to be crowned king of NY than knock the king of NY of his perch?:) and before anyone says it nas aint the king he has fallen of years ago.:D and when i say i say king im talking about the how big the actual rapper is not just music wise.:)
i would love to of seen that beef happen, i think krs one said it would be great for not just new york hip hop but hip hop in general to see both of these titans clash but jay z seems to think no one is worthy to beef with him which is wrong, whatever about the music 50 is defiantly the most entertaining rapper out there id give him that anyday some of sh*t he does is just hilarious.
just said id throw the krs one video in, on jay vs 50.personally mate i think your at that point in your hip hop life where your looking for something else, i seen you mention substance and you made the dreaded "hip hop is dead" comment...:D
paraphrasing but i seen something like that.
i dont know mate, weve a strong difference of opinion here, which is cool, maybe your tastes are evolving.
you strictly hip hop or you listen to different forms of music?
ye i am a bit.. i tend to just stick to what i know mostly although i do keep an ear out for a lot of new hip hop mainly from artists im familiar with, i havent really taken a shine to anyone new bar kendrick lamar, j cole, k.r.i.t maybe a few more... but its just the whole hip pop/techno element thats creeped into hip hop and everything that goes with it that annoys me.
ye we do but we are arguing constructively and respectably which is good, on the music genre i mainly stick to hip hop... i leave a small bit of room for some classic oasis, verve, blur and the real boss bruce springstein but i am 95 per cent hip hop its what i grew up listening too...
in fairness 50 has been around since what 1997? even though i heard of him in late 00 he was actively making music and signed to jam master jay in the late 90's... his early music is very similar of some typical gritty new york hip hop.:)Yeah i suppose that explains why i don't like them or anybody comin out these days.
from 1998 i think, 50 is a veteran these days man:).
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I was referring to the whole "you only hate 50 because you're a Game fan" response from the two of you.
but you said this before me or hugh cream even replyed to your comment...OK, I see what you mean. "Decent" was a poor choice of word. Just to be clear - I think GRODT is a great album, one of the best of the last decade, Massacre was OK but nowhere near as good, and Curtis and BISD were both garbage, Curtis being slightly less awful than BISD.
agreed 100 per cent other than I personally think the massacre is a great album bar maybe 2 or 3 songs but its not by any stretch of the imagination a classic by any means but it is none the less a great album imo, the success of it would suggest im in the majority on this one.I'm a huge Game fan so I'm bound to say only 3-4 songs from his latest album were good and the rest was filler? OK. Martians Vs Goblins, Born In The Trap, The City - all of these are better than anything 50 has put out in the last 4-5 years.
im a big 50 fan but iv no problem in calling his last 2 attempts of an album pretty average to bad so stating the obvious about a terrible album in red is none the different.
how game can call martian v goblins and the city his own is beyond me, kendrick lamar murdered him and made the song his and the same pretty much goes for just about every game song in his career inc martians vs goblins with tyler the creator and wayne adding the elements to make it good, you really think game is capable of a hit song without a feature when he cant even make a decent hook himself? all through his career he's been reliant on features and that to me that is walking with a crutch.
i could name three 50 songs without any help from other artists that would top those 3 you have mentioned but again its down to personal opinion. by the way martians vs goblins and born in the trap are nothing special by any means prettyboy although they are good there are not anything to write home about imo.Well I enjoy listening to Game more than I do 50 so I'm bound to disagree? Curtis and BISD were both slated though, so I guess I'm in the majority on this one.
well your obviously going to have preffernce over a certain rapper so more than likely yes, i never said they weren't but there's better music on the both of them than there is on l.a.x and the red album imo.50 isn't a big name any more either though, those days are gone - he will never be able to do numbers like Wayne, Kanye, Jay, Drake, etc.
musically he isn't a bigger name than some of the above anymore but taking everything into account he is up there. I also wouldn't categorize jay z in the number bracket although bp3 done well the same hasn't been the case for his previous efforts despite them all debuting number 1, he still is none the less though a big figure in hip hop i think his next album will tell a lot to be honest.Absolutely nothing to do with the quality of music, which is what we're discussing here. Forget about Game on Change of Heart, Ross being a C.O. and Wiz Khalifa getting a tattoo of Amber Rose and concentrate on the quality of music. Who wants to hear about the latest hip-hop gossip? I'd rather hear good music, but I guess that's the difference between me and you.
it has everything to do with the music, obviously game saying sorry and wanting a g unit re-union would suggest that they would be making music together again right???
but why are you discussing how you admire 50 for being a business man in previous comments if its strictly music your talking?
also encase you haven't noticed most hip hop sites thrive on hip hop gossip, gossip can be anything of interest and sites like all hip hop, diverse hip hop, your thisisgames and thisis50's etc etc all have hundreds of tousands/millions of hip hop fans daily gossiping about hip hop through various forums aswell as the same happening here on occasions... gossiping is an everyday aspect of life everyone gossips whether you relize it or not...I know but what they do in their own time and in the privacy of their own homes doesn't really have anything to do with their music. Maybe there should be a sub-forum for Hip-Hop gossip, scandals and paparazzi pictures?
yes ok.... where is this coming out of? i taught we were discussing the music what have hip hop scandals got to do with this?
game apoligizing to 50 is not a scandal or a rumor, he said sorry because he wanted to make music with 50 again and it wasnt said in the privacy of his home it was said constantly on twitter and camera by game himself... 0 -
but you said this before me or hugh cream even replyed to your comment...
...What??
So if that's your way of thinking then you would agree that the success of Carter 3 means it's a classic/great album?agreed 100 per cent other than I personally think the massacre is a great album bar maybe 2 or 3 songs but its not by any stretch of the imagination a classic by any means but it is none the less a great album imo, the success of it would suggest im in the majority on this one.
I didn't say they were anything to write home about, I'm just saying they're better than any of the garbage 50's had on his last 2 albums. Just down to personal opinion.i could name three 50 songs without any help from other artists that would top those 3 you have mentioned but again its down to personal opinion. by the way martians vs goblins and born in the trap are nothing special by any means prettyboy although they are good there are not anything to write home about imo.
I'd have to disagree there..LAX and RED are average albums..Curtis and BISD are just plain awful.well your obviously going to have preffernce over a certain rapper so more than likely yes, i never said they weren't but there's better music on the both of them than there is on l.a.x and the red album imo.
Musically he is nowhere near as popular as Drake, Wayne, Kanye, Eminem, etc. As a mogul he doesn't come close to Jay or Diddy. Taking everything into account, those two have been building their own Empires for 20 years. 50 has his own projects but what has he done since the Vitamin Water deal? A few flop movies? Don't get me wrong, he has his finger in a lot of pies and he has a serious head on his shoulders when it comes to business but he doesn't have his own basketball team, chain of nightclubs, vodka brand, etc. But, if anyone can catch up with Jay and Diddy, it's 50.musically he isn't a bigger name than some of the above anymore but taking everything into account he is up there.
Considering the state of the music industry today I think Jay is one of the more successful in terms of sales. Look at the numbers for WTT.I also wouldn't categorize jay z in the number bracket although bp3 done well the same hasn't been the case for his previous efforts despite them all debuting number 1, he still is none the less though a big figure in hip hop i think his next album will tell a lot to be honest.
This happened over a year ago. Did any music ever materialize? This is just pointless gossip.it has everything to do with the music, obviously game saying sorry and wanting a g unit re-union would suggest that they would be making music together again right???
I was simply agreeing with ImGettinPaper's post and expanding on it a little bit. I'm not the biggest fan of his music but I really admire 50's business sense. I didnt respond to the thread beforehand because the songs Hugh posted were average to bad and I didn't really have any time for them. But then I responded to a post about 50's business approach and then you two brought up the beef with Game...but why are you discussing how you admire 50 for being a business man in previous comments if its strictly music your talking?
Do you really care about any of it?also encase you haven't noticed most hip hop sites thrive on hip hop gossip, gossip can be anything of interest and sites like all hip hop, diverse hip hop, your thisisgames and thisis50's etc etc all have hundreds of tousands/millions of hip hop fans daily gossiping about hip hop through various forums aswell as the same happening here on occasions... gossiping is an everyday aspect of life everyone gossips whether you relize it or not...0 -
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