David Norris-comeback kid or the election rejection, Late Late show 30.09.2011?

Adrianno28

Is he the comeback kid or the election rejection- you decide?

Inquitus

He held up well under a targetted rte agenda to play him in the worst possible light, much the same as McGuinness was targetted.

super_furry

Handled the questions thrown at him well and seemed slightly less slippery and evasive than on previous interviews but those questions still hovered over him.

MrJoeSoap

Thought he came across very poorly. The more I hear him speak the more I hear an ego growing, he is his own biggest fan.

super_furry

Inquitus wrote: »

He held up well under a targetted rte agenda to play him in the worst possible light, much the same as McGuinness was targetted.

Ehhh, I thought the RTE agenda was to get him elected? People whinging about the amount of time and coverage he was getting? Can't have it both ways.

Harps

The same old questions yet again so he had very little chance to talk about anything other than the letters and all that. Going solely on his public persona I'd give him my vote but despite being sick of hearing about it, admittedly there's still genuine questions over him so hard to know at this stage

dlofnep

He seemed evasive. Could have been better.

newmug

Didnt need to see it. He supported a rapist, same as some bishops did. That completely rules him out for me.

darkman2

Debate was worth it for this alone.


'I've done it on Matt Cooper, I've done it on George Hook, I've done it with Sean O'Rourke!!!'

Liam Byrne

Annoying voice, non-stop shouting, claimed he was against the abuse of children, despite his track record proving otherwise.

Hypocrite of the highest order and with the shouting with the faux ocksent came across as wholly unlikeable and pompous.

Higgins' accent and vocal inflections also annoy me, but when he's speaking you can overlook them because what he's saying is worthwhile and he's not shouting.

alastair

newmug wrote: »

Didnt need to see it. He supported a rapist, same as some bishops did. That completely rules him out for me.

Statutory rapist, and "sought clemancy for"
You preferred the man who sought clemancy for a murderer?

alastair

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Annoying voice, non-stop shouting, claimed he was against the abuse of children, despite his track record proving otherwise.

Really? Any specifics? Or is this about Ezra And Fuad, the 12 year relationship couple?

Jimoslimos

Good Point: Highlighted the bank guarantee as one of the most influential bills passed in the last 7 years (although as a member of Seanad eireann I'd expect him to be knowledgeable in these areas)

Bad point: The letters again, publish or be dammed Norris.The legal arguments were weak, and he risks a leak closer to the election which would probably finish his campaign.

newmug

alastair wrote: »

Statutory rapist, and "sought clemancy for"

Yep. A rapist. 30 and 15.


Sought clemency? Thats even worse - "Oh I'm not denying he did it, I dont want you to re-examine your findings in case there's new evidence or in case you're wrong, I fully admit he comited rape, I just want you to go handy on him!"

alastair wrote: »

You preferred the man who sought clemancy for a murderer?

Nope. Never said I did.

maddragon

I think he tore the arse out of it.

hotmail.com

What was the county idea he was talking about at the beginning? It sounded completely bonkers.

He recovered well, when he made the point about the bank guarantee. He's divisive, like him or hate him...he won't win.

People on boards are still making commets about his accent, people still talking about his accent. Get over it.

Night_Prowler

Did norris do an individual interview?

KELTICKNIGHTT

when i hear him speak,annoys me but did ok but kept hearing him when others where speaking,not sure,early days yet

alastair

newmug wrote: »

Yep. A rapist. 30 and 15.


Sought clemency? Thats even worse - "Oh I'm not denying he did it, I dont want you to re-examine your findings in case there's new evidence or in case you're wrong, I fully admit he comited rape, I just want you to go handy on him!"



Nope. Never said I did.

Just surprising that you'd vent so much about a guilty plea to statutory rape where the pre-consent partner remained in the relationship for 12 years over a murderer who had some clear victims on the back of his crime. But each to their own.

foggy_lad

Harps wrote: »

The same old questions yet again so he had very little chance to talk about anything other than the letters and all that. Going solely on his public persona I'd give him my vote but despite being sick of hearing about it, admittedly there's still genuine questions over him so hard to know at this stage

He must have arrived too late to get a microphone hence his irritating shouting down an imaginary mob of naysayers:)

Honestly in my humble opinion the man is finished as a presidential candidate because when he was given the opportunity to speak on the presidency and why we should vote for him and what the role means to him he had very little of any substance to impart.

hotmail.com wrote: »

What was the county idea he was talking about at the beginning? It sounded completely bonkers.

He recovered well, when he made the point about the bank guarantee. He's divisive, like him or hate him...he won't win.

People on boards are still making commets about his accent, people still talking about his accent. Get over it.

He is going to have a county week or month where he will celebrate a different county each month wearing the county colours and having their county sports teams over for tea in the Áras.

He was actually very vague about how much of his salary would be spent on this but i suspect it would be catered for from the expenses kitty rather than his presidential salary,

He has already said he would not take a cut in salary because it would discommode a later president from a poorer background lol.

IMHO Norris is in last place below Dana and Quango Mary and the Fine Gael candidate Gay Mitchell

alastair

foggy_lad wrote: »

Honestly in my humble opinion the man is finished as a presidential candidate

wow! What a turnaround in your opinion of the man...

Oh wait, it's not. You're just singing the same old tune.

Ah well.

FrankAmazing

I will never vote for him.

He has no business representing us on a global level, we'll be the laughing stock of the world having in essence a paedophile sympathiser representing us.

foggy_lad

alastair wrote: »

wow! What a turnaround in your opinion of the man...

Oh wait, it's not. You're just singing the same old tune.

Ah well.

I once thought he would possibly make a reasonable attempt at the job but since the whole Nawi letter and his support for people like O'Searcaigh and his ideas on ancient greeks buggering young boys being relevant to todays world i have found it impossible to support him.

I have also listened to him being interviewed and realised he is nothing more than a boffoon with an accent who shouts to be heard in a quiet room and when given an opportunity to express himself he wastes time with unusual pauses after each word and in reality is talking without actually saying anything of any real substance.

charlemont

I was in stitches watching him, He really should be given a TV show maybe he could replace Tubridy !!


He was never going to get my number 1 vote but he might yet get a preference if no more dirt comes out about him.

Jimoslimos

hotmail.com wrote: »

What was the county idea he was talking about at the beginning? It sounded completely bonkers.

Yeah, that thing about the counties was bizarre. I can't even remember what it was in relation to, salary perhaps??

foggy_lad

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Yeah, that thing about the counties was bizarre. I can't even remember what it was in relation to, salary perhaps??

He is going to have a county week or month where he will celebrate a different county each month wearing the county colours and having their county sports teams over for tea in the Áras.

It was in relation to the salary issue but Norris did not actually say that he would take any cut in salary!

Jimoslimos

Yeah twas strange. TBH the salary question is a tad populist (suited MMG perfectly). Don't know who it was, Gallagher or Mitchell perhaps, who said the Dáil was responsible for determining presidential pay and they would respect this - perfectly good honest answer. Its the highest position in the state and I have no problem with the right person getting suitably renumerated.

Sunnyisland

new mug wrote: »

Didn't need to see it. He supported a rapist, same as some bishops did. That completely rules him out for me.

Same for me. May be he should run to become a bishop :rolleyes:

Trampas

Is it mean or does he appear to be shouting all the time.

He should just release the letters and get it over with as they will come out.

I will not be voting for him.

easychair

newmug wrote: »

Didnt need to see it. He supported a rapist, same as some bishops did. That completely rules him out for me.

I'm afraid it's not the same thing at all.

David Norris wrote a letter to the court asking for leniency for a friend, who he knew to be of otherwise good character, and who had been convicted of statutory rape.

The Bishops in Ireland conspired to enable priests in their control to evade the law, conspired to pervert the course of justice and the legal system, and conspired to enable the same priests to continue to rape and abuse and brutalise children on regular occasions for many years.

If you think David Norris is on a par with the disgusting activities of Irish Bishops, then you are confused.

ted1

Difference in letters is one was looking for clemency for a child rapist. The other was asking not to use the death penalty which the Irish state is quite againest.

Sunnyisland

easy chair wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not the same thing at all.

David Norris wrote a letter to the court asking for leniency for a friend, who he knew to be of otherwise good character, and who had been convicted of statutory rape.

The Bishops in Ireland conspired to enable priests in their control to evade the law, conspired to pervert the course of justice and the legal system, and conspired to enable the same priests to continue to rape and abuse and brutalise children on regular occasions for many years.

If you think David Norris is on a par with the disgusting activities of Irish Bishops, then you are confused.

Not confusing at all,There are numerous threads and posts here about what he did,Not going through them again.let him come out and publish the rest of his letters he wrote,if he is so worried about the victim of the statutory rape of a minor now pity he wasn't then.

Side Show Bob

Norris should stop hiding behind this nonsensical image he's trying to use of so called legal advice, Norris doesn't want to produce the letters because of the alleged containment to some ancient greek views,

If he publishes them he's probably finished, but one way or other they will be published, the media will get them and then he's defiantly finished

It's time for Norris to accept his wrong doing, and accept the views he portrayed of himself in the HLB interview are horrific in any society.

He should imediadly withdraw from this now farcical presidential race, and stand down his Senate seat and stop this circus, and the shocking waste of money that the country just can no longer afford.

alastair

Side Show Bob wrote: »

Norris should stop hiding behind this nonsensical image he's trying to use of so called legal advice, Norris doesn't want to produce the letters because of the alleged containment to some ancient greek views.

yeah, it's highly likely that letters supporting clemency for a man who pled guilty to statuatory rape, on the basis of his good character and the risk of suicide, would reference ancient Greece. I can see that alright.

anymore

Inquitus wrote: »

He held up well under a targetted rte agenda to play him in the worst possible light, much the same as McGuinness was targetted.

The other six candidates got five minute interviews and Norris got 15 minutes section all to himself ( Sweeetheart Interview) on a separate show which contained no other politicians and he got it before he was actually an official candidate. It was shameful use of a national Broadcaster to publicise the re-entry of Norris. Tubridy declined to ask him questions on matters which had been puclicised one of thew daily papers circulated in Ireland - again shameless censorship from one of RTE's highest paid stars.

anymore

alastair wrote: »

yeah, it's highly likely that letters supporting clemency for a man who pled guilty to statuatory rape, on the basis of his good character and the risk of suicide, would reference ancient Greece. I can see that alright.

Risk of suicide ? Oh please - just another means of emotional blackmail !
Norris does really lay it on thick doesnt he ?
They forgot about the tactic of sending heim to Rehab ? Or may that defence lawyer tactic wasnt around at that time !

Vinegar Hill

It is not the first time Norris either. The 'Fairytale of Katmandu' springs to mind.

http://www.herald.ie/news/support-for-cathal-based-on-justice-2662823.html

thebman

I think he feels like he is not allowed get his point across but he started talking over others which was a bit rude I thought and annoying.

His voice suits grand speeches but not really good or when he is trying to talk down other people or talk over them like he did on the late late show.

By the end of it I just wished he's shut up TBH.

RichardAnd

On a recent Pat Kenny interview, Norris was directly asked to release the letters that he consistently claims are inconsequential and he replied with a totally unrelated Oscar Wilde quote. It's that kind of nonsense that really irks me about that man.

To be honest, I think he's just an arrogant snob looking to further inflate his ego via the office of the president. That he constantly downplays his very suspect past strongly suggests that he has very little respect for the people he hope to represent.

foggy_lad

anymore wrote: »

Risk of suicide ? Oh please - just another means of emotional blackmail !
Norris does really lay it on thick doesnt he ?
They forgot about the tactic of sending heim to Rehab ? Or may that defence lawyer tactic wasnt around at that time !

Don't forget his poor disabled mother and how he was her sole carer as head of the family lol all concern for the pedophile and no mention of the victim.

Teclo

'I'm a wit, I love Ireland, I'm flamboyant, I write letters for troubled souls, I'm a posh inner city gay, vote for me'

:rolleyes:

anymore

easychair wrote: »

I'm afraid it's not the same thing at all.

David Norris wrote a letter to the court asking for leniency for a friend, who he knew to be of otherwise good character, and who had been convicted of statutory rape.

The Bishops in Ireland conspired to enable priests in their control to evade the law, conspired to pervert the course of justice and the legal system, and conspired to enable the same priests to continue to rape and abuse and brutalise children on regular occasions for many years.

If you think David Norris is on a par with the disgusting activities of Irish Bishops, then you are confused.

I dont wish to be souding pedantic, but David |Norris was not writing on behalf of a friend. He was writing to a court on behalf of his partner and long term lover and the ommssion of this fact raises serious questions about Mr Norris given that he was representing himself to be a man of substance if our parlimentary system and a man who was being spken of as a candidate for our presidency. To state that he knew the defendant to be honest and trustworthy when the reality is that the defendant had in fact betrayed thier relationship and destroyed the trust that should be present in a long term loving relationship is no small matter.

Teclo

The Bishops in Ireland conspired to enable priests in their control to evade the law, conspired to pervert the course of justice and the legal system, and conspired to enable the same priests to continue to rape and abuse and brutalise children on regular occasions for many years.

There is no evidence that any bishops 'conspired' to enable a crime to be committed. The similarities are that like Norris some bishops -

1. Found it difficult to believe that someone they believed to be essentially good people could commit such crimes against children
2. Believed that if it was true, it was unlikely to happen again
3. Took pity on their personal/family situation

Of course bishops did put priests in situations where they would have further contact with children, but who really believes that if Norris was, let us say the principle of a boys boarding school that he(with his views on man-boy love) would not have always acted by what is referred to now as 'best practice'?

c montgomery

alastair wrote: »

Statutory rapist, and "sought clemancy for"
You preferred the man who sought clemancy for a murderer?

One was against the death penalty, the other one's boyfriend was a convicted rapist.

Norris has shown poor judgement on a number of occasions and shared his bed for decades with a convicted rapist. He wont be getting my vote. If it was not for the fact that he was gay he wouldn't even have been considered as a candidate.

alastair

Norris had previously been in relationship with Ezra. He didn't share a bed with any convicted rapist, as Ezra had no conviction for statutory rape at the time. Nor did Ezra 'betray the relationship with Norris', they had a long-term, but not exclusive relationship - which had ended before this relationship started. When Norris provided him with a character reference, it was on Ezra's character as Norris knew it.

RGDATA!

c montgomery wrote: »

Norris has shown poor judgement on a number of occasions and shared his bed for decades with a convicted rapist.

get your facts straight (poor judgement indeed)

ultain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zeTkNrMBIw

anymore

alastair wrote: »

Norris had previously been in relationship with Ezra. He didn't share a bed with any convicted rapist, as Ezra had no conviction for statutory rape at the time. Nor did Ezra 'betray the relationship with Norris', they had a long-term, but not exclusive relationship - which had ended before this relationship started. When Norris provided him with a character reference, it was on Ezra's character as Norris knew it.

So can you tell us when you think the relationship ended ?

anymore

Ps. Joe Jackson has written on the way he and Norris met in a reastuarant for the first time - I wonder has anyone read it ?

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alastair

anymore wrote: »

So can you tell us when you think the relationship ended ?

During the 80's. The friendship ended in 2001.

anymore

alastair wrote: »

During the 80's. The friendship ended in 2001.

Surely the friendship still exists - and I dont mean to say that it is bad if there is still a friendip between them. I understand the relation may have become a celebate one at some point but that Norris still regarded it as a ' romatic' ome. Must find the reference.