Everton v Liverpool derby no 216

mike65

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So then a year after one of the lowest points under Roy Hodgson when Everton defeated a spineless LFC 2-0 the chance to wipe that from the memory. This meeting will certainly be a much better contested game regardless of the result.

Early team news is as follows (from Sky)

Cahill is a doubt for Everton after he sustained a shin injury in a challenge with Manchester City's Vincent Kompany last weekend. The Australian hasn't trained all week but Moyes will leave it as late as possible before deciding on the 32-year-old's fitness.

Striker Louis Saha is pushing for a recall after appearing as a substitute against City last weekend but fellow forward Victor Anichebe remains side-lined until December.

For Liverpool, skipper Steven Gerrard looks likely to start from the bench as he edges his way back to full fitness. The England man has played just 25 minutes of competitive football since recovering from a groin operation.

Glen Johnson is out with hamstring strain while Daniel Agger will also miss out as he recovers from a rib injury.

Possible starting XIs

Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Rodwell, Fellaini, Osman, Coleman, Cahill, Saha.

Liverpool: Reina, Enrique, Carragher, Kelly, Skrtel, Kuyt, Downing, Lucas, Adam, Suarez, Carroll.

Referee Martin Atkinson.

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Hard to argue against that starting 11 in the circumstances, as much as I'd like to see Gerrard start it would be pushing it in a game like this, better he comes on fresh with 20-25 to go along with Bellamy.

flahavaj

Everton 0-3 Liverpool.

Its a big game so Kuyt will inevitably score twice, one of them a controversial penalty. Suarez with the other.

GavRedKing

2-1 Liverpool, Suarez to be the difference in a tight game. Looking forward too watching this tomorrow.

x in the city

Everton 3 Livepool 1

Osman,Baines, Carra og. :rolleyes:

Leiva

1-1

Kev.

I recon Liverpool will win this one IF Kenny plays the right team..

ie Kuyt instead of Henderson...

VW 1

I reckon Liverpool will take this with Suarez shining and further cementing his place as a legend with Liverpool

draw

prettyboy81

2-0 Liverpool 2mo, andy Carroll with both & solid defensive display!!!!

tommyhaas

If Liverpool play 442 with Adam, the midfield will be completely dominated by Everton. The possibility of Henderson starting is always a worry, particularly given how strong Everton look down the left with Drente and Baines

x in the city

Baines as an anytime scorer looks very sexy ...

ShamoBuc

Any pool victory will do - 3-1 I'd say, Downing to get off the mark!

Turtyturd

2-0 Liverpool...Suarez and Downing.

tommyhaas

x in the city wrote: »

Baines as an anytime scorer looks very sexy ...

I heard he's 7/1. He's been 5/1 the last few weeks, could be worth a punt especially given that he's taking pen's and Liverpool have conceded a few of late. I don't want to put the mockers on it though

bamboozling

Liverpool are going to win this handily. Liverpool -2 at 11/1 is a fantastic bet in my opinion. Tomorrow is the day that Carroll catches fire.

ilovelamp2000

I admire everyone's confidence in Liverpool. I don't really share it though.

barone

rip roaring ten men each at the end draw with another 7 yellow cards

Crazy Horse 6

1-0 Everton. Carra OG.

x in the city

bamboozling wrote: »

Liverpool are going to win this handily. Liverpool -2 at 11/1 is a fantastic bet in my opinion. Tomorrow is the day that Carroll catches fire.

Andy C is rubbish, pool fans say 'tomorrow' will be the day every other week.

how much was he again?

bamboozling

x in the city wrote: »

Andy C is rubbish, pool fans say 'tomorrow' will be the day every other week.

how much was he again?

He was £35 million. It's better to overpay than to scrap around the bottom of the Greek and Argentinian leagues, hoping, even praying, for a striker who might just break into double digit goals for the season.

Leiva

x in the city wrote: »

Andy C is rubbish, pool fans say 'tomorrow' will be the day every other week.

how much was he again?

Another quality post by x in the city .

ilovelamp2000

x in the city wrote: »

Andy C is rubbish, pool fans say 'tomorrow' will be the day every other week.

how much was he again?

Bitters by name ...

flahavaj

bamboozling wrote: »

He was £35 million. It's better to overpay than to scrap around the bottom of the Greek and Argentinian leagues, hoping, even praying, for a striker who might just break into double digit goals for the season.

If the lad they got from Argentina got double figures then he'd have been a great bit of business. Carroll will have to be brilliant for a sustained period of time before he represents similar value.

Jeering Everton because they're skint only makes their achievement in regularly troubling ye and finishing where they do all the more remarkable.

x in the city

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Bitters by name ...

why would i be bitter of a striker like him who cost...40 million?

Iang87

x in the city wrote: »

why would i be bitter of a striker like him who cost...40 million?

cos it bothers you that liverpool could buy the whole everton club for that. Stadium included

x in the city

bamboozling wrote: »

He was £35 million. It's better to overpay than to scrap around the bottom of the Greek and Argentinian leagues, hoping, even praying, for a striker who might just break into double digit goals for the season.

its not just Andy C, They have pissed far more amounts of money down the drain on players in years gone by and im not talking millions.. more like tens of millions.

I cant see Andy getting 20 goals a season, maybe 10..

An Injured pay as you earn Saha with 1 leg would almost get that.

better to overpay...lol

right boss as you say.

Finical

x in the city wrote: »

why would i be bitter of a striker like him who cost...40 million?

He'll be worth it to me when he scores tomorrow and puts in a MOTM performance.

This probably won't happen and Suarez most likely will take all the headlines.

x in the city

flahavaj wrote: »

If the lad they got from Argentina got double figures then he'd have been a great bit of business. Carroll will have to be brilliant for a sustained period of time before he represents similar value.

Jeering Everton because they're skint only makes their achievement in regularly troubling ye and finishing where they do all the more remarkable.

indeed, Pool are rich (compared to Everton anyway)

but the bottom line is there is hardly any gap between the sides in recent years, despite the gulf in money and wages between the sides.

so get a grip... its also just as long since Pool won a title lets not forget.. hell, almost the same as Everton.

and who ever said better to overspend is probably working at man city and makes nothing of spending 100 million on someone. :rolleyes:

x in the city

Iang87 wrote: »

cos it bothers you that liverpool could buy the whole everton club for that. Stadium included

and still not win a league...

doesnt bother me who pool sign or who manages ye as ye still wont win anything, and barely scrape above pauper neighbours at the end of the season...


so spend away. !

Iang87

x in the city wrote: »

indeed, Pool are rich (compared to Everton anyway)

Anglo Irish Bank are rich compared to everton

The Volt

Not an optimistic Toffee at present. Hopefully Dalglish leaves Kuyt out as he's a certainty to score. I'll take a draw in a heartbeat.

ShamoBuc

x in the city wrote: »

Andy C is rubbish
how much was he again?

x in the city wrote: »

why would i be bitter of a striker like him who cost...40 million?

x in the city wrote: »

doesnt bother me who pool sign

You seem to spend alot of time talking about a fella that doesn't bother you - do you normally post alot of nonsense or are you dreading the derby match that much?

Crazy Horse 6

ShamoBuc wrote: »

You seem to spend alot of time talking about a fella that doesn't bother you - do you normally post alot of nonsense or are you dreading the derby match that much?

Ah leave him be every thread needs an Everton fan for a few giggles.

Iang87

jesus can you imagine this thread when its 2-0 to liverpool tomorrow after 20 minutes

The Volt

Would Blues be adverse to employing Rodwell in the same role as the city game except man marking either Suarez or Gerrard (if he plays) as I thought he did that role brilliantly tbf.

Suprised to see such confidence about a Liverpool win, shocked infact. Have people been watching football this season, especially the past few weeks?

This thread should be hilarious tomorrow btw

x in the city

ShamoBuc wrote: »

You seem to spend alot of time talking about a fella that doesn't bother you - do you normally post alot of nonsense or are you dreading the derby match that much?

the only people who see my posts thus are ones wearing very impressive rose tinted spectacles.

dreading the derby... at Goodison..

bring it on baby.

x in the city

Iang87 wrote: »

jesus can you imagine this thread when its 2-0 to liverpool tomorrow after 20 minutes

sorry, cant read this i need to invest in rose tinted spectacles, where does one get a pair?

x in the city

Voltwad wrote: »

Would Blues be adverse to employing Rodwell in the same role as the city game except man marking either Suarez or Gerrard (if he plays) as I thought he did that role brilliantly tbf.

Gerrard is still crocked.. suarez is dangerous, i say man mark him and drive him nuts and let him cry to the ref for cards.

ShamoBuc

x in the city wrote: »

sorry, cant read this i need to invest in rose tinted spectacles, where does one get a pair?

They won't work on you - the blue framed ones with no glass in them will do you fine.

x in the city

the ones that cost 20,000 euro you mean?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Don't normally agree with x and the city but he's right about Carroll, he's a donkey, plain and simple. Shocking bit of business by Dalglish. If he ever comes good I'll be more than happy to put my hands up, but he won't, as sure as eggs is eggs. Good for a mid to lower table team, though. Liverpool should just cut their losses and get as much as they can for him and bring in some one as cover for Suarez.

As for tomorrow, I reckon a draw or a narrow Liverpool win. Suarez being the difference of course.

Fúck knows whether Carroll will ever live up to his price tag. To judge him so quick is ridiculous.

Suarez at £22m looks a snip though...

djPSB

THFC wrote: »

Don't normally agree with x and the city but he's right about Carroll, he's a donkey, plain and simple. Shocking bit of business by Dalglish. If he ever comes good I'll be more than happy to put my hands up, but he won't, as sure as eggs is eggs. Good for a mid to lower table team, though. Liverpool should just cut their losses and get as much as they can for him and bring in some one as cover for Suarez.

As for tomorrow, I reckon a draw or a narrow Liverpool win. Suarez being the difference of course.

Did you not watch the Liverpool v Wolves game? Carroll was top notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPvCxA-mGo

djPSB

djPSB wrote: »

Did you not watch the Liverpool v Wolves game? Carroll was top notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPvCxA-mGo

Of course he didn't

Fuhrer

djPSB wrote: »

Did you not watch the Liverpool v Wolves game? Carroll was top notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPvCxA-mGo

Serious or sarcastic?


I cant tell.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

rarnes1 wrote: »

Fúck knows whether Carroll will ever live up to his price tag. To judge him so quick is ridiculous.

Suarez at £22m looks a snip though...

Why though? He's been with Liverpool for 9 months now (bought at the tail end of Jan) and done sweet fcuk all. His touch looks apalling and his finishing from the floor has been brutal, not to mention his off the field antics. He has also shown very little potential to command such a hefty price tag. Has very little to his game other than being a target man for Carragher.
He may turn out to be a decent Liverpool player, but sure as fcuk he will justify his transfer fee, I'd wager anything on that.

djPSB wrote: »

Did you not watch the Liverpool v Wolves game? Carroll was top notch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVPvCxA-mGo

No, but I've seen plenty of him with Liverpool and he's not once shown the signs of a £20 million pound striker, never mind a £35 million or whatever ye paid for him.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Of course he didn't

And why the fcuk would I watch Liverpool play Wolves?

x in the city

THFC wrote: »

Don't normally agree with x and the city but he's right about Carroll, he's a donkey, plain and simple. Shocking bit of business by Dalglish. If he ever comes good I'll be more than happy to put my hands up, but he won't, as sure as eggs is eggs. Good for a mid to lower table team, though. Liverpool should just cut their losses and get as much as they can for him and bring in some one as cover for Suarez.

As for tomorrow, I reckon a draw or a narrow Liverpool win. Suarez being the difference of course.

someone on soccer forum 'likes' post by x in city.:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcM02aV39xc

x in the city

THFC wrote: »

Why though? He's been with Liverpool for 9 months now (bought at the tail end of Jan) and done sweet fcuk all. His touch looks apalling and his finishing from the floor has been brutal, not to mention his off the field antics. He has also shown very little potential to command such a hefty price tag. Has very little to his game other than being a target man for Carragher.
He may turn out to be a decent Liverpool player, but sure as fcuk he will justify his transfer fee, I'd wager anything on that.


No, but I've seen plenty of him with Liverpool and he's not once shown the signs of a £20 million pound striker, never mind a £35 million or whatever ye paid for him.


And why the fcuk would I watch Liverpool play Wolves?

couldnt put that better myself.

Everton get players for free, so if they screw up its no major loss.

Pool spend the guts of 40million..

so clearly its better to over spend... as someone earlier said..

djPSB

THFC wrote: »

Why though? He's been with Liverpool for 9 months now (bought at the tail end of Jan) and done sweet fcuk all. His touch looks apalling and his finishing from the floor has been brutal, not to mention his off the field antics. He has also shown very little potential to command such a hefty price tag. Has very little to his game other than being a target man for Carragher.
He may turn out to be a decent Liverpool player, but sure as fcuk he will justify his transfer fee, I'd wager anything on that.


No, but I've seen plenty of him with Liverpool and he's not once shown the signs of a £20 million pound striker, never mind a £35 million or whatever ye paid for him.


And why the fcuk would I watch Liverpool play Wolves?

He has been good in all the games so far this season, scored two perfectly good goals in the opening two games, only to be denied by poor refereeing. He was class last week against Wolves, was unlucky not to get a goal, he hit the post. He is a good player, he wont repay his transfer tag over the next two or three seasons, but I think he will over the next ten years. He's never going to score 20+ goals in a season, but offers something different. If we get 10 years out of him, then he will represent better value. Costing £3.5 million a year.

If you take Torres for example. Chelsea will probably only have him for 3 or 4 seasons on extravegent wages, costing them £12.5 million a season. Even Meireles will cost them £3/4 million per year.

Ferguson paid £20 million for Anderson in 2007. Its only now he's coming good for them. It took Ronaldo and Nani two or three seaons to start playing decent as well.

Either way, Carroll will be an England striker for the next 8 or 9 years. If things did go belly up, and we did have to sell him in a year or two at a snip price, then I would consider his signing a disaster, but for the minute I'm happy with his performances.

I think if you look back in ten years time, Carroll will have cost Liverpool alot less per goal, than some of the big money strikers out there at the minute.

K-9

Jaysus, quiet thread so far, only 37 posts, surprised myself.