Atheist society?

DazHealy

I was just wondering was there any athesim or similar society present in trinity, and if there isnt does anyone think there would be much support for one?

PurpleFistMixer

AFAIK there was an attempt to set one up, but it failed for some reason. Perhaps it fell under the scope of the theological society.

JohnRiver

woo athiesm!

Fo Real

What events exactly would an atheist society organise? It sounds like just another society set up by a small minority with a chip on their shoulder, just to rub their personal beliefs in the faces of their imagined antagonists (gender equality society immediately springs to mind).

I consider myself an atheist but I'd be against the formation of such a society - the same way I'm against other religious socs like Muslim soc and Jew soc. Beisdes, the university can hardly afford to be funding such trivial pursuits under the present financial constraints. However, I bet other atheists would be delighted if their proposal for such a society got rejected, so then they can play the victim card and claim they're being oppressed. See the "Che phenomenon"

Fo Real

Fo Real wrote: »

the university can hardly afford to be funding such trivial pursuits under the present financial constraints.

Societies are a worthwhile part of college life, but there's loads already. It would be a real shame for the college (I'm not sure whether it would strain the college budget or just specifically the CSC budget) to lose money over forming a new society. I'd say unless it's a vitally important society, then we shouldn't be setting up any new ones.

The reason I wouldn't see an atheist soc as important is that if it's membership of a college soc to meet new people you're looking for, then there's undoubtedly something to interest you already, and if it's exploring atheism that you're interested in, there are plenty of free-standing atheist organisations out there already.

cursai

I think it'd be a good idea. Kept them in packs so can pat each other on the back. Spend all day talking about religion. Engaging in non religious conversation religiously and preach to each other. Talk about Ricky gervais and that annoying Dawkins fella and justify the empty gaps and philosophical roadblocks they each share.

DazHealy

cursai wrote: »

I think it'd be a good idea. Kept them in packs so can pat each other on the back. Spend all day talking about religion. Engaging in non religious conversation religiously and preach to each other. Talk about Ricky gervais and that annoying Dawkins fella and justify the empty gaps and philosophical roadblocks they each share.

and people think its atheists with a chip on their shoulder.....

As for the rest, those of you referring to atheism as a mere triviality are simply assuming that an atheist society would have little contribution to college life, which is highly presumptuous in the first instance. Having some experience dealing with UCC Atheists, i know that alot of their work in there first year revolved around people who had just become non-believers.Some of those people were incredibly vulnerable and afraid of what their friends and family would think of them. There is still alot of stigma attached to atheism. Any society that could help people like that would be a welcome addition to any college I'd imagine. As an atheist, I know I may be a bit blinded by my own side in this discussion, but I believe that Atheism is something that can be a powerful force for reason and good, and that educating people in these matters is arguably far more important then having a juggling society or a trampolining society. We need to let people know we're not ALL baby eaters like!

DazHealy

Fo Real wrote: »

What events exactly would an atheist society organise? It sounds like just another society set up by a small minority with a chip on their shoulder, just to rub their personal beliefs in the faces of their imagined antagonists (gender equality society immediately springs to mind).

I consider myself an atheist but I'd be against the formation of such a society - the same way I'm against other religious socs like Muslim soc and Jew soc. Beisdes, the university can hardly afford to be funding such trivial pursuits under the present financial constraints. However, I bet other atheists would be delighted if their proposal for such a society got rejected, so then they can play the victim card and claim they're being oppressed. See the "Che phenomenon"

In all seriousness I'd love to know what gave you such a cynical view? As for what they could potentially organise its very simple. Help for those who are becoming non-believers, seminars and lectures for those who wish to learn more about atheism and related topics, charity work, talks, discussions, guest speakers, sessions (:D) the list goes on...

And personally I would have no support for rubbing personal opinions in any ones faces. It would be an Atheist society, not an anti-theist society

Lawliet

DazHealy wrote: »

It would be an Atheist society, not an anti-theist society

Most people don't know the difference.

Mark200

http://xkcd.com/774/

partyatmygaff

"Let's all get together and talk about nothing in particular."

Sounds like a hell of a society...

starry nights

As an athiest in this college, I have no interest in joining an athiest society, same way as when I had a religion I had no interest in attending bible studies or anything like that.

I realize that some people may think that others would attend a society on atheism when struggling between faiths (or lack of it). However, I think that that student would be more likely to talk to a counselor or friends then to go to a group meeting where everybody is already an atheist. Also, I must ask, realistically what would an atheist society do? I doubt many atheists out there would want to sit around and talk about why they don't believe in anything or how they realized they were atheist or about atheism itself, it's quite an emotional topic for some and for others they've made peace with being an atheist.

Plus I agree with some of the above statements about how we already have plenty of societies to choose from and that there is no need to waste valuable educational money on a society just because some atheists or non atheists think it would be more politically correct if we had a society like the religions do.

But then again, maybe I'm not a realistic atheist, maybe I'm a cynical atheist!!

SillyMcCarthy

A group that meets to talk about God or maybe the lack of?
Religion is still bringing ye all together & talking about God,
whatever way you want to look at it!

Lawliet

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

A group that meets to talk about God or maybe the lack of?
Religion is still bringing ye all together & talking about God,
whatever way you want to look at it!

Implying that atheism is the rejection of one god and not all deities, that all religions believe in deities and all deities are connected to religions

starry nights

SillyMcCarthy wrote: »

A group that meets to talk about God or maybe the lack of?
Religion is still bringing ye all together & talking about God,
whatever way you want to look at it!

That sentence is completely redundant in this topic. We are not debating whether atheist talk or should talk about god or the lack of, we are simply discussing should there be an atheist society.

So go shít stir somewhere else!!

Sparticle

As an atheist I would not join it as in many cases it would just be people "preaching to the converted". If the society was to be created I would like to see it geared towards events aimed at religious people with doubts but done in such a way that does not reek of hyperbolic church bashing but explanation of seemingly divine phenomena like biological explanations for morality for instance.

That being said breaking free of ones respective childhood indoctrination should be a personal thing without any hint coercion as that I feel undermines the process and makes us little better than religious institutions preying on the vulnerable. People should be able to make decisions free of heavy handed preaching and if an atheist society tried the same tactic it would undermine itself.

starry nights

Sparticle wrote: »

As an atheist I would not join it as in many cases it would just be people "preaching to the converted". If the society was to be created I would like to see it geared towards events aimed at religious people with doubts but done in such a way that does not reek of hyperbolic church bashing but explanation of seemingly divine phenomena like biological explanations for morality for instance.

That being said breaking free of ones respective childhood indoctrination should be a personal thing without any hint coercion as that I feel undermines the process and makes us little better than religious institutions preying on the vulnerable. People should be able to make decisions free of heavy handed preaching and if an atheist society tried the same tactic it would undermine itself.

Well said. I completely agree.

NSNO

Why have a society entirely devoted to negativity? Atheists who actually care about arguing about the existence of god, insulting the religious and evangelising should probably reassess their priorities. I'd never join an atheist society, mainly because I'm so indifferent to religion that I can't be arsed labelling myself by my lack of belief in one.

However a society devoted to promoting humanism, secularism and rationality in society and government would be appreciated. However, it'd probably just devolve into a "lol let's slag religious people" society pretty quickly.

DazHealy

Lads ye have seriously negative views on atheism:(

I would most certainly not encourage coercion to join anything, religious or otherwise. And yes becoming an atheist is a hugely personal decison, however I know that personally I benefitted greatly from being able to talk to people about it when I was coming to terms with the fact I was an atheist. A society that could do that, where people can talk without fear, to people who have gone throgh similar experiences would always be good I think.

Of course dispelling religious myths and educating people should be an important part of an atheist society, but it should be in a non-confrontational way.

NSNO wrote: »

However a society devoted to promoting humanism, secularism and rationality in society and government would be appreciated.

That would be the type of atheist society I would join!

NSNO wrote: »

However, it'd probably just devolve into a "lol let's slag religious people" society pretty quickly.

Its no wonder people have such a negative view of atheists when ye cant even be positve about it. Why does it always have to be assumed that atheism is just one huge circle jerk? I see atheism not as a preachy adjective that I can use to belittle the religious, but an opportunity to help people and raise awareness. I've outlined what an atheist society could do in previous comments.

As to whether or not Atheism would be a society deserving of funds, or contribute to student life in trinity I can only say that yes I think it would, and it would be in a far stronger position to make a positive impact then many many other societies that do exist in trinity.

Kaulo27

Hi there,

My name is Brian Murphy and I am the PRO of the Atheist Soc and AHS Regional Development for the Republic of Ireland.

AHS stands for The Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secularist Student societies Federation, is run by students for students and is facilitated and supported by the British Humanist Association (BHA). Its vision is to see a thriving atheist, humanist or secular student society in every institute of Higher Education in the UK and Republic of Ireland, networked together, with a shared voice in public life, whose members can contribute to and be part of the wider national and international movement. As a means of achieving its vision the AHS aims to build, support and represent atheist, humanist and secular student societies, facilitate communication between them, and encourage joint actions and ensure that their members have opportunities to be part of the wider national and international movement.

At the moment in Ireland there are three members of the AHS; NUIG Skeptics, UCD Humanists and UCC Atheists. We would love for Trinity to get on board so if anyone is interested in getting involved in setting up such a society you can just leave a comment and then email me at ireland@ahsstudents.org.uk. The AHS can various supports that are in place for helping fledgling AHS societies during the initial process set up process.

A few of you have expressed concerns that an Atheist Society might simple consist of members sitting around lambasting religion. I am confident when I say that for all the AHS student societies members (of which there are currently thirty and are every increasing) that this is not the case. To give people a sense of what Atheist/Humanist/Secularist Societies here is a list of events they a lot of societies hold;

• Guest Speakers - Last year UCC Atheists hosted THE Dan Dennet. The AHS has a speakers directory which is a great resource that member societies can avail of.
• Socials - For the society members to get to know each other, next week UCC Atheist will be running "Hunt an Atheist" which is society members meeting up and playing quazar.
• Film Nights - Does exactly as it says on the tin.
• Inter-society events - In two weeks time the UCC Atheist and Sci-fi societies will co-host a Star Trek and Humanism evening. Gene Roddenberry the creator of Star Trek was President of the American Humanist Association and his creation bears all the hall marks of the humanist philosophy.
• Courses - For example the Atheist Society at Leeds University host the Perspectives course designed to promote conversation and understanding between faith and non-faith groups. The course covers a different religion each week and members of that faith will be invited in to talk about their faith and answer any questions people have. At each Perspective session a speaker is invited to spend the first half of the session talking about their beliefs. The second half of the session is then given over to the audience to ask any question.
• Trips - Last June the UCC Atheist Society traveled to Dublin to attend the World Atheist Conference. In August two of our members traveled to Oslo to attend the tri-annual World Humanist Congress. Each year the society also travels to London for AHSCon which runs over two days, with the Saturday being a day of speakers in Conway Hall, and the Sunday being a committee-oriented day. The Last AHSCon featured talks from Professor A C Grayling, Johann Hari, Robin Ince, BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson, NSS Vice President Gerard Phillips, and Parliamentary Humanist Group Chair Lord Warner. There was also a performance from the BHA Choir, and the third non-religious societies fair. The Sunday featured training workshops, speeches from member societies, an EGM and the first society awards.
• Non-Prophet Week - During Non-Prophet Week AHS societies are encouraged to raise and give money to charity (not that they're discouraged at other times of the year!). This year we will be encouraging UK societies to raise money for Children In Need and Republic of Ireland societies to raise money for Barnardo's. In addition, this year we want to place an emphasis on running blood donations and on joining the bone marrow and organ donor registers.

I hope the list gives you all a sense of the really wide array of events and projects that Atheist, Humanist and Secular societies can get up to. Personally, speaking I have been involved in the UCC Atheist Society for over a year now and I have made some great friends through the society.

Like I said before anyone interested in getting involved in setting up a society in their own university leave a comment and just drop me an email at ireland@ahsstudents.org.uk.

SillyMcCarthy

starry nights wrote: »

That sentence is completely redundant in this topic. We are not debating whether atheist talk or should talk about god or the lack of, we are simply discussing should there be an atheist society.

So go shít stir somewhere else!!

Two sentences actually.
What is there to discuss?
It's like asking should we all follow United or Liverpool!
Some of us end up supporting West Ham!

PurpleFistMixer

But I don't like football.

I think I'd only really support (not that I actually object to the existence of any society) an atheist society if it were actually a skeptics/humanists/promotion of rational thought and criticism society which happened to also cover atheism.

Denerick

A pack of hacks sitting around masturbating over their own sense of self importance and smugness. Hacks. Bloody hacks. Everywhere.

DazHealy

Denerick wrote: »

A pack of hacks sitting around masturbating over their own sense of self importance and smugness. Hacks. Bloody hacks. Everywhere.

I am smug about being better than you, because I am not a close-minded bigot.

Denerick

DazHealy wrote: »

I am smug about being better than you, because I am not a close-minded bigot.

Does 'close-minded' have a hyphen? Is close minded even a term? Better 'small minded' or 'of little mind' or maybe even the traditional 'Fascist authoritarian'.

DazHealy

Denerick wrote: »

Does 'close-minded' have a hyphen? Is close minded even a term? Better 'small minded' or 'of little mind' or maybe even the traditional 'Fascist authoritarian'.

I would think that the adjective is of little consequence when the noun is "bigot".

Denerick

DazHealy wrote: »

I would think that the adjective is of little consequence when the noun is "bigot".

Your accusation is irrational. I am anything but a bigot. I love all morons, cretins and hacks equally.

andrew

I'm not opposed to an atheist society in principle, but I don't think there's really a need for one in Trinity. Assuming that the activities you mention below are going to be the main activities carried out by a TCD Athiest soc:

• Guest Speakers - Last year UCC Atheists hosted THE Dan Dennet. The AHS has a speakers directory which is a great resource that member societies can avail of.

Phil, Hist and (Primarily here) the Theo all get guest speakers into college. I'm pretty sure the Theo in the past has had athiest speakers in in the past

[*]Socials - For the society members to get to know each other, next week UCC Atheist will be running "Hunt an Atheist" which is society members meeting up and playing quazar.

You can't establish a society on the basis that there'll be socials.

[*]Film Nights - Does exactly as it says on the tin.

Unless there are a plethora of films dedicated to atheism, SciFi soc and Film soc(?) have that one covered.

[*]Inter-society events - In two weeks time the UCC Atheist and Sci-fi societies will co-host a Star Trek and Humanism evening. Gene Roddenberry the creator of Star Trek was President of the American Humanist Association and his creation bears all the hall marks of the humanist philosophy.

Again, can't establish a society based on the idea that there'll be inter society stuff.

[*]Courses - For example the Atheist Society at Leeds University host the Perspectives course designed to promote conversation and understanding between faith and non-faith groups. The course covers a different religion each week and members of that faith will be invited in to talk about their faith and answer any questions people have. At each Perspective session a speaker is invited to spend the first half of the session talking about their beliefs. The second half of the session is then given over to the audience to ask any question.

The Theo has this one covered I'd say.

[*]Trips - Last June the UCC Atheist Society traveled to Dublin to attend the World Atheist Conference. In August two of our members traveled to Oslo to attend the tri-annual World Humanist Congress. Each year the society also travels to London for AHSCon which runs over two days, with the Saturday being a day of speakers in Conway Hall, and the Sunday being a committee-oriented day. The Last AHSCon featured talks from Professor A C Grayling, Johann Hari, Robin Ince, BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson, NSS Vice President Gerard Phillips, and Parliamentary Humanist Group Chair Lord Warner. There was also a performance from the BHA Choir, and the third non-religious societies fair. The Sunday featured training workshops, speeches from member societies, an EGM and the first society awards.

Attending the World atheist convention does seem very atheist society specific I'll give you that.

[*]Non-Prophet Week - During Non-Prophet Week AHS societies are encouraged to raise and give money to charity (not that they're discouraged at other times of the year!). This year we will be encouraging UK societies to raise money for Children In Need and Republic of Ireland societies to raise money for Barnardo's. In addition, this year we want to place an emphasis on running blood donations and on joining the bone marrow and organ donor registers.

While nice, this has nothing to do with atheism.

Again, I don't have a problem with an athiest society in principal, I just don't really see what kind of stuff they'd do which isn't mostly done already by existing societies.

ApeXaviour

It might be a symptom of my area of study, or the people I choose to spend time with, but the default assumption I have when meeting other students is that they're non-religious. As such setting up such a society to me seems as incongruous as say founding a heterosexual society.

The only argument I find persuasive in favour of an athiest society would be as a support network. Providing answers and content for those who are deeply in doubt of the doctrine they were raised with and are going through an emotional struggle.

Mark200

It could also get involved in some sort of campaigns for a secular government etc.

JohnRiver

Kaulo27 wrote: »

Hi there,

My name is Brian Murphy and I am the PRO of the Atheist Soc and AHS Regional Development for the Republic of Ireland.

AHS stands for The Federation of Atheist, Humanist and Secularist Student societies Federation, is run by students for students and is facilitated and supported by the British Humanist Association (BHA). Its vision is to see a thriving atheist, humanist or secular student society in every institute of Higher Education in the UK and Republic of Ireland, networked together, with a shared voice in public life, whose members can contribute to and be part of the wider national and international movement. As a means of achieving its vision the AHS aims to build, support and represent atheist, humanist and secular student societies, facilitate communication between them, and encourage joint actions and ensure that their members have opportunities to be part of the wider national and international movement.

At the moment in Ireland there are three members of the AHS; NUIG Skeptics, UCD Humanists and UCC Atheists. We would love for Trinity to get on board so if anyone is interested in getting involved in setting up such a society you can just leave a comment and then email me at ireland@ahsstudents.org.uk. The AHS can various supports that are in place for helping fledgling AHS societies during the initial process set up process.

A few of you have expressed concerns that an Atheist Society might simple consist of members sitting around lambasting religion. I am confident when I say that for all the AHS student societies members (of which there are currently thirty and are every increasing) that this is not the case. To give people a sense of what Atheist/Humanist/Secularist Societies here is a list of events they a lot of societies hold;

• Guest Speakers - Last year UCC Atheists hosted THE Dan Dennet. The AHS has a speakers directory which is a great resource that member societies can avail of.
• Socials - For the society members to get to know each other, next week UCC Atheist will be running "Hunt an Atheist" which is society members meeting up and playing quazar.
• Film Nights - Does exactly as it says on the tin.
• Inter-society events - In two weeks time the UCC Atheist and Sci-fi societies will co-host a Star Trek and Humanism evening. Gene Roddenberry the creator of Star Trek was President of the American Humanist Association and his creation bears all the hall marks of the humanist philosophy.
• Courses - For example the Atheist Society at Leeds University host the Perspectives course designed to promote conversation and understanding between faith and non-faith groups. The course covers a different religion each week and members of that faith will be invited in to talk about their faith and answer any questions people have. At each Perspective session a speaker is invited to spend the first half of the session talking about their beliefs. The second half of the session is then given over to the audience to ask any question.
• Trips - Last June the UCC Atheist Society traveled to Dublin to attend the World Atheist Conference. In August two of our members traveled to Oslo to attend the tri-annual World Humanist Congress. Each year the society also travels to London for AHSCon which runs over two days, with the Saturday being a day of speakers in Conway Hall, and the Sunday being a committee-oriented day. The Last AHSCon featured talks from Professor A C Grayling, Johann Hari, Robin Ince, BHA Chief Executive Andrew Copson, NSS Vice President Gerard Phillips, and Parliamentary Humanist Group Chair Lord Warner. There was also a performance from the BHA Choir, and the third non-religious societies fair. The Sunday featured training workshops, speeches from member societies, an EGM and the first society awards.
• Non-Prophet Week - During Non-Prophet Week AHS societies are encouraged to raise and give money to charity (not that they're discouraged at other times of the year!). This year we will be encouraging UK societies to raise money for Children In Need and Republic of Ireland societies to raise money for Barnardo's. In addition, this year we want to place an emphasis on running blood donations and on joining the bone marrow and organ donor registers.

I hope the list gives you all a sense of the really wide array of events and projects that Atheist, Humanist and Secular societies can get up to. Personally, speaking I have been involved in the UCC Atheist Society for over a year now and I have made some great friends through the society.

Like I said before anyone interested in getting involved in setting up a society in their own university leave a comment and just drop me an email at ireland@ahsstudents.org.uk.

awesome!

gbee

I would have thought that it's not the ethos of Atheism to set up clubs and churches ~ rather to demolish or privatise those that are proclaiming to speak for God or Allah.

JohnRiver

gbee wrote: »

I would have thought that it's not the ethos of Atheism to set up clubs and churches ~ rather to demolish or privatise those that are proclaiming to speak for God or Allah.

Why would you have thought such? I see no aspect of the disbelief in God that makes it that it shouldn't be preached or celebrated. and then, you'd need some sort of an organisation to take on the religious :P

Doug Cartel

All you guys complaining about atheist circle-jerkers taking your precious resources need to chill out. Have they asked for some massive budget? No. Would it kill you to know that some group of people are meeting in a room for an hour a week?

You're not interested in joining - don't join. Don't want other people joining? Up yours, it's not your choice to make.

Ahoyhoy

I suppose I consider myself agnostic, mostly because all the catholicism beaten into me as a child is hard to beat out again and I still feel a little bit guilty any time I think about the fact that I just don't believe in any kind of god. So I'm probably just a cowardly atheist really. Mostly I just tell my parents that I'm not built to believe in god, hence, if they're right and he does exist, it's his fault I don't believe in him.

Sorry, that may be a little dig at the "checkmate atheists" lady earlier, who I'm quite confident in saying has NEVER played chess.

Anywho, either way my biggest problem with most religions is not the faith or the religion but the church, that is to say the organisation. As such I'm totally anti any kind of organised atheism. If you want to go for a secular government don't do it on the basis of not being religious do it in an evidence based fashion - that is to say that government money is best spent elsewhere, that schools can spend more time on science etc.

Also anything an atheist society aims to do is almost certainly already being done by either the Phil or the Hist, most of whose members are secular (bar those who join to go to the controversial, thus crowded, religious debates to tut at the atheists from the back of the chamber).

Lawliet

Ahoyhoy wrote: »

Sorry, that may be a little dig at the "checkmate atheists" lady earlier, who I'm quite confident in saying has NEVER played chess.

Don't know what you are on about, my logic is flawless.

Brian

I want to create a "destroy the Irish language" society, who's in?

Lawliet

Baza210 wrote: »

I want to create a "destroy the Irish language" society, who's in?

You mean an English society?

Brian

All methods will be considered evenly.

andrew

Baza210 wrote: »

I want to create a "destroy the Irish language" society, who's in?

I Did hear somewhere that trinity has an orange lodge...

mikesligo

If it's still relevant, I was on the founding committee of the secularist and atheist society last year. We started strong, but got turned down by the csc (despite seemingly meeting requirements) and diminished after a lack of interest and the committee members being busy with their courses.

Best of luck to anyone trying to set one up this year, if you can market it (as in, have quality reasons for people to join the society) and get enough interest, I'd imagine you could be successful.

TrollHammaren

Where is this "wasting resources" idea coming from? Small societies actually get fúck all funding. I know two girls who set up a homeless charity society and they had to pay for everything out of their own pockets - they didn't have a budget.

I believe that if people want an atheist society they can go for it. I'm an atheist but I'd have absolutely no interest in joining.

You can debate until the cows come home then debate with cows about whether an atheist society would be of any benefit to the people in the college, but fúck it, let them have it; it wouldn't cost the college anything.

Fo Real, you're against minority societies because you're anti non-white people in general.

StrawberryJazz

Don't most atheists object to belonging to a society who have a code of "beliefs"...

...kinda defeats the purpose of being atheist eh?

I don't see the need for most trinity societies tbh, but if it makes you happy to chair meetings and events where equally loyal followers proclaim their beliefs or lack there of fervently by all means apply.

Oooh maybe you could introduce your own chants?
One person should definitely make a speech at a weekly mandatory meeting...

How about some bread and wine? :P

Doug Cartel

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

Don't most atheists object to belonging to a society who have a code of "beliefs"...

No.

StrawberryJazz

Doug Cartel wrote: »

No.

Well I do.

virtus1

I can't help but notice that the vast majority of these "too cool for atheism" atheists are male. It must be very easy then to overlook how nearly all of the world religions put women in a subordinate position :rolleyes: Atheism may be a system of negation but its effects on society are arguably very positive. I'd certainly join a society which supports that.

gbee

Baza210 wrote: »

I want to create a "destroy the Irish language" society, who's in?

I'll enrol as mature student and join straight away.

Mark200

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

Doug Cartel wrote: »

No.

Well I do.

The only prerequisite for being an atheist is a lack of belief in a god or supernatural power. If you're an atheist for another reason then you're an atheist for the wrong reason.

Lawliet

virtus1 wrote: »

I can't help but notice that the vast majority of these "too cool for atheism" atheists are male. It must be very easy then to overlook how nearly all of the world religions put women in a subordinate position :rolleyes: Atheism may be a system of negation but its effects on society are arguably very positive. I'd certainly join a society which supports that.

Huh, I avoid the atheist community because it's over run with smug privileged white men who think they're a lot more liberal than they actually are, and are no more above sexism than any organised religion. Funny world we live in.

NSNO

Lawliet wrote: »

virtus1 wrote: »

I can't help but notice that the vast majority of these "too cool for atheism" atheists are male. It must be very easy then to overlook how nearly all of the world religions put women in a subordinate position :rolleyes: Atheism may be a system of negation but its effects on society are arguably very positive. I'd certainly join a society which supports that.

Huh, I avoid the atheist community because it's over run with smug privileged white men who think they're a lot more liberal than they actually are, and are no more above sexism than any organised religion. Funny world we live in.

I wholeheartedly agree. Richard Dawkins/skepchick is a very recent case that proves your point.

k3ypad09

what's the point of setting up an atheist society if god exists? :¬)