Petrol Price

Petrol?

Hey,

I travel a 70 mile journey each weekend and 3 other girls travel with me.

I drive a 1L Polo and they always begrudge giving me some money for petrol, to such an extent, I feel embarrassed asking them.

Today, I asked them for 5euro each which would total €15, I thought this was a very reasonable price, considering the bus is €15 and the fact that they were been picked up at their door and dropped off at their door.

This started a heated conversation, where I was told that because €15 would cover the whole price of the journey home, that I was "getting home for nothing" and that that wasn't right.

TBH, Its is getting me really down, I don't want to fall out with these people as they are good friends of mine.

Should I be even be charging for petrol in the first place even? If so what should I be charging? I feel a bit lost as I only passed my test last month in Raheny and I guess I don't really know how these things work.

Thanks for the help in advance,

Mary

Delancey

Mary , I think this is really better suited to the Personal Issues forum.

robbie_998

well for starts

it is illegal to charge for that unless your insurance covers for "hire or reward" or something like that so its illegal.


now in saying that i do see where your coming from... they should not expect to be taxied everywhere for free.

make them get the bus and see how it feels then.

soon they will go crawling back to you as it will be easier and cheaper for them.

then you implement they voluntarily give you some kind of contribution !

Petrol?

Delancey wrote: »

Mary , I think this is really better suited to the Personal Issues forum.

I don't think so? they wouldn't know as much about the price of petrol? maybe your right, I dunno tbh.

MugMugs

Petrol? wrote: »

Hey,

I travel a 70 mile journey each weekend and 3 other girls travel with me.

I drive a 1L Polo and they always begrudge giving me some money for petrol, to such an extent, I feel embarrassed asking them.

Today, I asked them for 5euro each which would total €15, I thought this was a very reasonable price, considering the bus is €15 and the fact that they were been picked up at their door and dropped off at their door.

This started a heated conversation, where I was told that because €15 would cover the whole price of the journey home, that I was "getting home for nothing" and that that wasn't right.

TBH, Its is getting me really down, I don't want to fall out with these people as they are good friends of mine.

Should I be even be charging for petrol in the first place even? If so what should I be charging? I feel a bit lost as I only passed my test last month in Raheny and I guess I don't really know how these things work.

Thanks for the help in advance,

Mary

Mary, You should probably try Personal Issues


However, Did they not consider Wear and Tear on your vehicle ? Motor Tax? Insurance ? Tyres ? The fact they were getting a good ride.

Personally, I'd drive by the two of them next time.

If you choose to pick them up then charge them a tenner there and then and tell them to take the bloody bus if they don't like it.

ps - Taking passengers for reward is probably against your Insurance.

Mr Benevolent

Is that 70 miles in total or a 140 mile round trip? 70 miles in my 1L would cost me about €12.

Help2

Petrol? wrote: »

Hey,

I travel a 70 mile journey each weekend and 3 other girls travel with me.

I drive a 1L Polo and they always begrudge giving me some money for petrol, to such an extent, I feel embarrassed asking them.

Today, I asked them for 5euro each which would total €15, I thought this was a very reasonable price, considering the bus is €15 and the fact that they were been picked up at their door and dropped off at their door.

This started a heated conversation, where I was told that because €15 would cover the whole price of the journey home, that I was "getting home for nothing" and that that wasn't right.

TBH, Its is getting me really down, I don't want to fall out with these people as they are good friends of mine.

Should I be even be charging for petrol in the first place even? If so what should I be charging? I feel a bit lost as I only passed my test last month in Raheny and I guess I don't really know how these things work.

Thanks for the help in advance,

Mary

I drive a 1.1litre car and it probably costs a similiar amount to run as your car... i worked it out to be costing me about 13 - 15cents per mile... so 70miles * 15 cents = €10.50...

lets call it €10... 4 of you in the car... thats €2.50 each... if they dont want to pay tell them to get the bus.

If you do the maths yourself you can work out how much your fuel is costing...

Fill your car up... then record the mileage or reset the trip computer... drive the car untill its time to put more petrol in..

FILL IT UP... record the cost...divide the cost by the miles travelled = cost per mile... i think!

JoeySully

Mary - welcome to boards

you are between a hard place and a rock you have have to be firm but nice. I think 5 quid each for the spin in cheap. remember its not just fuel but wear of tyres, break pads and engine.

Its not stingy asking for petrol money these days !

They should be very grateful, €5 for a 70 mile trip and dropped to their door. Your not getting home for free, you are running a car, they obviously aren't. In fairness to them they are probably just a bit slow and lacking in common sense rather than nasty and tight.

Petrol?

robbie_998 wrote: »

well for starts

it is illegal to charge for that unless your insurance covers for "hire or reward" or something like that so its illegal.


now in saying that i do see where your coming from... they should not expect to be taxied everywhere for free.

make them get the bus and see how it feels then.

soon they will go crawling back to you as it will be easier and cheaper for them.

then you implement they voluntarily give you some kind of contribution !

TBH during the "heated converstion" I told them to F*uck off and get the bus. But like I said if that happens, I fall out with them and I really don't want that to happen

vectra

God forbid if you had an accident you would find out fairly lively how much of a friend they really are.
Let them bus it

Help2

Delancey wrote: »

Mary , I think this is really better suited to the Personal Issues forum.

I think this thread is usefull here also... as it concerns the cost of petrol/diesel.. which would be a touchy subject for most posters on this forum these days i would say:D

robbie_998

Petrol? wrote: »

TBH during the "heated converstion" I told them to F*uck off and get the bus. But like I said if that happens, I fall out with them and I really don't want that to happen

so their using you ?

dont sound like very good friends if they wont be friends with you if you dont give them a lift for free to be honest.

but the general consensuses here at my best guess would be they pay something or get lost.

if they dont accept it let them suffer on a bus.

you dont want to be getting used or the likes by people like that.

Alanstrainor

Hi Mary,

I've moved your post to the personal issues forum. As this isn't really a motors query.

Alan

Petrol?

Confab wrote: »

Is that 70 miles in total or a 140 mile round trip? 70 miles in my 1L would cost me about €12.

140 round trip

MugMugs wrote: »

Mary, You should probably try Personal Issues


However, Did they not consider Wear and Tear on your vehicle ? Motor Tax? Insurance ? Tyres ? The fact they were getting a good ride.

Tax and insurance, tyres etc "get me to work aswell so they shouldnt have to pay for it":(

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Hi Mary,

I've moved your post to the personal issues forum. As this isn't really a motors query.

Alan

why not? Its about petrol? Id prefer it if you moved it back tbh, it would get a much better response, which is what I'm after.

Thoie

It's rare that I'm giving people those kind of lifts, and when I am it's more likely that my friends will start throwing 20's at me

However the fairest way to do it is to fill the tank at the start of the journey (with them sitting waiting). Towards the end of the journey, when they're all still with you, fill the tank again. Divide by 4. Round up to the nearest euro if you've had to collect them from various spots before leaving.

That can be your baseline unless petrol prices rise or fall dramatically. If they start saying "petrol came down by 0.00000001 cents", tell them to **** off and get the bus.

Petrol?

Thoie wrote: »

It's rare that I'm giving people those kind of lifts, and when I am it's more likely that my friends will start throwing 20's at me

However the fairest way to do it is to fill the tank at the start of the journey (with them sitting waiting). Towards the end of the journey, when they're all still with you, fill the tank again. Divide by 4. Round up to the nearest euro if you've had to collect them from various spots before leaving.

That can be your baseline unless petrol prices rise or fall dramatically. If they start saying "petrol came down by 0.00000001 cents", tell them to **** off and get the bus.

Should I have to pay my share to? should it be divided by 3 or 4?

Petrol?

Petrol? wrote: »

140 round trip



Tax and insurance, tyres etc "get me to work aswell so they shouldnt have to pay for it":(



why not? Its about petrol? Id prefer it if you moved it back tbh, it would get a much better response, which is what I'm after.

A €5 for 140 miles, two trips.
These are silly, tight, nasty b1tches.
You're dead right telling them to f*ck off, how much did they reckon was fair btw? A tenner between the 3 of them?

As a compromise drop them off outside your own destination and tell them to be there at x time if they want a lift back., that'll soften their cough.

Petrol?

RoverJames wrote: »

A €5 for 140 miles, two trips.
These are silly, tight, nasty b1tches.
You're dead right telling them to f*ck off, how much did they reckon was fair btw? A tenner between the 3 of them?

As a compromise drop them off outside your own destination and tell them to be there at x time if they want a lift back., that'll soften their cough.

sorry, maybe Ive confused you, I wanted a fiver for 70mile. They offered me 3€ for 70 mile.

I know Ive said it a few times, but I dont really want to fall out with these people, I dont really want to disclose why on a public forum either. Im sure you'd understand more why if I said so.

MugMugs

Petrol? wrote: »

Tax and insurance, tyres etc "get me to work aswell so they shouldnt have to pay for it":(

So ? They've still had use of them. The trip has used them and lead to the their eventual demise due to the extra weight.

Petrol? wrote: »

sorry, maybe Ive confused you, I wanted a fiver for 70mile. They offered me 3€ for 70 mile.

I know Ive said it a few times, but I dont really want to fall out with these people,

It costs them 15 quid to get the bus each. A tenner each to you in the comfort of a car is a fine deal. So what if you make money on it. It's your car.

Tell them to take a hike if they want to argue over a few bob.

Petrol?

MugMugs wrote: »

So ? They've still had use of them. The trip has used them and lead to the their eventual demise due to the extra weight.



It costs them 15 quid to get the bus each. A tenner each to you in the comfort of a car is a fine deal. So what if you make money on it. It's your car.

Tell them to take a hike if they want to argue over a few bob.

I wish I could show them this thread just to reiterate, what Im trying to tell them.

Help2

work out how much its costing you per mile... if its costing your €12 for 70 miles then its €3 each. If its costing you €16 for 70miles then its €4 each.

Id say for a 1.0polo its probably costing you about €11-€13 for 70miles depending on the year of the car and how fast your going!! work it out and charge accordingly.

If its a regular thing its not fair that your paying €12 in petrol for the journey and they dont contribute.

If it was a one-off then its another story..

I have the same problem when driving to the cinema or whatever.. i spend about €6 driving to the cinema cause its a fair bit away.. so if theres 3 of us thats €2 each...

Why should the driver pay to get there and the passengers pay nothing?

They prob dont understand cause they dont have to run a car themselves...price of fuel has gone up big time in the last few years so lay down the law!:)

Night_Prowler

Im sorry to be harsh here but your "friends" are taking you for a ride in every sense!
You have asked them to donate to the pertol fund and they refuse.(im still shocked at this) If you continue to let them travel for free then you are now the mug.

Be strong and stand up for yourself - you dont have to get all nasty on their asses, just a polite notification that if they are not willing to contribute to the costs of their generous lift then they should make alternative travel arrangements.

Petrol?

Night_Prowler wrote: »

Im sorry to be harsh here but your "friends" are taking you for a ride in every sense!
You have asked them to donate to the pertol fund and they refuse.(im still shocked at this) If you continue to let them travel for free then you are now the mug.

they never refsued, sorry if Ive confused you.

they offered 3euro while I asked for 5euro. I was querying whether or not I should be charging and if so, how much?

Night_Prowler wrote: »

Be strong and stand up for yourself - you dont have to get all nasty on their asses, just a polite notification that if they are not willing to contribute to the costs of their generous lift then they should make alternative travel arrangements.

Alas, If it were only that simple

thanks for the helpful reply.

Aishae

The problem doesnt seem to be 'should they contribute to petrol?' the answer is YES.

The problem is how to handle them.

Maybe explain you can't afford the trip every weekend anymore to see if theyd then be more forthcoming with a little contribution to the petrol.
Or tell them you have no need to make the trip now, so by that note you will not be free/ able to afford the petrol when you don't even need to go - or however you want to put it.

It is just not on to leech off people like this. You can be more forceful on the subject without getting nasty. It sounds like they're treating you like a free taxi.

Petrol?

Petrol? wrote: »

they never refsued, sorry if Ive confused you.

they offered 3euro while I asked for 5euro. I was querying whether or not I should be charging and if so, how much?

thanks for the helpful reply anyway:)

Settle on €4, no one wins or loses then
If they're not happy with that they are silly b1tches.

Petrol?

Aishae wrote: »

The problem is how to handle them.

good point

Aishae wrote: »

Maybe explain you can't afford the trip every weekend anymore to see if theyd then be more forthcoming with a little contribution to the petrol.
Or tell them you have no need to make the trip now, so by that note you will not be free/ able to afford the petrol when you don't even need to go - or however you want to put it.

this is another good point. Unfortunetly, I have to make this journey every weekend. so It wouldnt be possible for me to say Ive no need to make the journey.

Petrol?

RoverJames wrote: »

Settle on €4, no one wins or loses then
If they're not happy with that they are silly b1tches.

You think €4 is fair? :pac: I just feel so tired of arguing with them. They are so tight that they complain over 1/2euro. no matter what amount I seem to suggest its fired down. Thats why I said a fiver today which I thought was reasonable

Aishae

RoverJames wrote: »

Petrol? wrote: »

they never refsued, sorry if Ive confused you.

they offered 3euro while I asked for 5euro. I was querying whether or not I should be charging and if so, how much?

thanks for the helpful reply anyway:)

Settle on €4, no one wins or loses then
If they're not happy with that they are silly b1tches.

Ah right. Well the trips wear out the break pads and tires faster. Plus - the more people in the car, the more petrol it uses.

Petrol?

Aishae wrote: »

Ah right. Well the trips wear out the break pads and tires faster. Plus - the more people in the car, the more petrol it uses.

Yeah these points have been made already and I have mentioned this to these girls but they just don't seem to get it.

Aishae

Petrol? wrote: »

Aishae wrote: »

Ah right. Well the trips wear out the break pads and tires faster. Plus - the more people in the car, the more petrol it uses.

Yeah these points have been made already and I have mentioned this to these girls but they just don't seem to get it.

Either they really don't comprehend running a car and refuse to understand or they're aware of that and just being stingy.

What if in future you fill the tank mid journey and before you go to pay you say 'ok girls we all chip in here'?

closeline

A fiver each is not a lot for a 140 mile trip...I know lads that were charging a fiver from mallow to cork and back to college...and that was 4 days a week i think..

Petrol?

Aishae wrote: »

Either they really don't comprehend running a car and refuse to understand or they're aware of that and just being stingy.

I get the feeling these people will never understand the costs in running a car.

Aishae wrote: »

What if in future you fill the tank mid journey and before you go to pay you say 'ok girls we all chip in here'?

Yeah I tried that today, but thats what started the argument. I said "right, a fiver each" they objected, I had no money on me and just took off from the petrol station again without filling up

closeline wrote: »

A fiver each is not a lot for a 140 mile trip...I know lads that were charging a fiver from mallow to cork and back to college...and that was 4 days a week i think..

its a fiver each for 70 mile.

closeline

So a 10 each for 140 miles.is it just once a week..how much does the trip cost you..(the 140 miles like)

Petrol?

closeline wrote: »

So a 10 each for 140 miles.is it just once a week..how much does the trip cost you..(the 140 miles like)

yeah I suggested a fiver for 70 so as you say 10 for 140. I dont know tbh how much it works out as but, it would be around 15euro give or take a euro imo when weight is factored in

Aishae

Ah, the old " ah sure you're headed there anyway so I'll tag along on your long journey (for free)" mindset.

Maybe the only thing that will work is to say "ok so were all getting the bus" and when they ask why, explain you haven't the money as it would cost more than 15 for a round trip in the car? They might call your bluff but if you actually did enforce the bus thing once things might change.

Unless they're really unreasonable people that shouldn't kill your friendship. If it would do that, I really can't see a nice way to male them see sense

closeline

Say if they give you 3 euro...thats 6 each for the whole journey...this adds up to 18...how much money will you have to pay to finish the journey..On a side note...dont know how this was moved out of the motor section..

closeline

Petrol? wrote: »

yeah I suggested a fiver for 70 so as you say 10 for 140. I dont know tbh how much it works out as but, it would be around 15euro give or take a euro imo when weight is factored in

15 euro for 70 miles??? Just be very careful..it sounds like you are not getting on well with them at the moment...if you get them to pay 10 and if you happen to pay very less they could get very angry...It could end up badly...They could end up getting the train and you would have to pay everything for the trip..Just negotiate in a peaceful manner as possible..

Petrol?

Aishae wrote: »

Ah, the old " ah sure you're headed there anyway so I'll tag along on your long journey (for free)" mindset.

Maybe the only thing that will work is to say "ok so were all getting the bus" and when they ask why, explain you haven't the money as it would cost more than 15 for a round trip in the car? They might call your bluff but if you actually did enforce the bus thing once things might change.

Unless they're really unreasonable people that shouldn't kill your friendship. If it would do that, I really can't see a nice way to male them see sense

hmm I suppose your right, Yeah Il just have to think about it I just really hope it doesnt kill any friendship. thanks for all your help btw.

closeline wrote: »

Say if they give you 3 euro...thats 6 each for the whole journey...this adds up to 18...how much money will you have to pay to finish the journey

you think 18 is fair enough for 140 mile? tbh I think 10 each maybe 8 is fair for 140 mile, half it for the 70 mile, obviously.

closeline wrote: »

..On a side note...dont know how this was moved out of the motor section..

I agree and have requested it be moved back.

closeline wrote: »

15 euro for 70 miles??? Just be very careful..it sounds like you are not getting on well with them at the moment...if you get them to pay 10 and if you happen to pay very less they could get very angry...It could end up badly...They could end up getting the train and you would have to pay everything for the trip..Just negotiate in a peaceful manner as possible..

you think 15 is to much for 70 mile? others in the thread have said that it was fair? tbh I dont mind paying it all myself. It 'd mean less weight and wear and tear on the car. Id much prefer if they all ****ed off and got the bus. much less arguements and much more peace of mind. But as I said previously, I dont want to fall out, for a reason I dont want to disclose in a public forum. I f anyone would like to know, just PM me.

closeline

It really depends on the cost of the whole journey..say if its 30 euro for the 140 miles..would that be somewhere near it??If they paid 10 euro each that would mean you wouldnt have to pay a cent..Personally I wouldnt do that..if it was me..I would get them to pay 8 each for the whole journey..thats 24..your paying 6..Just say to them that you are paying 9 or 10..they are not going to find out...But if you are paying way more than them give them the road..they will be back within a week once they realise they are saving money paying you a tenner..

doughef

Mary

this is all getting far too technical..

dont bother working out the mileage...

for 5 quid your friends are getting a great deal,. they should consider themselves lucky.. if they dont, get the bus.. simples,,

oh, and did somebody say it was illegal to charge them????? :eek:
I mean wtf?? your giving them a lift home, hardly a service "for hire and reward"..

you shouldnt even be in a position where you have to ask for cash, they should be happy to pay....

(Still laughing at the illegal bit...:D)

LegacyUser

Hi OP,
I've been on both ends. Story is, if someone is any bit decent, they'd throw you a few quid every now and again if its a regular thing and if they were any good.

I had to rely on someone to do a 40 mile journey to and from work each day for a while and I'd always throw them a tenner every few journeys, maybe once a week. I wouldnt feel right not even offering.

I've also been in the position of driving others when I was able to dive the same journey myself and some would do the same and throw me a few quid now and again and some just wouldn't.

In fainess, you're the one going the driving, your the one buying petrol and your the one running the car, its ok to offer someone a lift now and again but if its a regular thing to expect a lift from someone to work or whatever, if they were any good, they would offer you something.

I wouldn't say anything like "I expect X per journey or X every week" but its fair that they'd be expected to offer something here and there.

Sure even if we were going anywhere significant for a weekend and my friend was driving, we'd all expect to chip in and buy him a tank of petrol, either give him a few quid to top up or give him a few quid for drinks money as a thank you.

Bottom line, anyone decent would offer something for regular or long journeys if you're ferrying them around. If they don't offer they are a bit scroungy, if they flat out refuse when you bring it up, they are flat out misers. I'd have no problem telling them to find their own way, I know you wanna keep them as friends so its awkward but if they are this stingy then I wouldnt bother going out of my way for them.

andyseadog

this thread is mad.

i commute daily to college and i bring two local lads with me, i pick them up in the morning and drop them off in the evening. they walk to the main road to me in the car and the insist they give me a fiver a head each day to pay for fuel etc.

i'm glad of the tenner a day to ease my fuel costs and they are glad because the same trip by train costs them 15.90 per day.

my trip in a 70 mile per day round trip.

if your friends wont give you a fiver to bring them there and back, give them bus eireanns number and let them pay 20+ euros for the same trip, simples. its just common courtesy to give the driver a few euros in a situation like that i reckon. i asume your driving to and from college like myself.

Taltos

OP - what you are doing is carpooling.
From wikipedia "By having more people using one vehicle, carpooling reduces each person's travel costs such as fuel costs, tolls, and the stress of driving."

I know you have said this is a motor issue - but it isn't - this is a personal issue between you and these 3 passengers.
I am not calling them friends and I have to question - how can you?

Let's put aside the running costs of the car, wear and tear of brake pads, suspension, etc. Let's just look at the numbers.
Bus ride = 15 euro.
Your request = 5 euro.
Their saving = 10 euro.
Over a week - that is a saving for them of 50 quid.

The fact that they pretend - and don't kid yourself - pretend NOT to get this is purely down to them seeing you as an easy touch who values the friendship (if there is one) over any hassle.
I think a great suggestion was made above about refueling but not sure if that is feasible.

In this case I think you are going to have to play hardball.
> Either they contribute to the petrol (not the running of the car)
Or
> They get the bus / taxi
Or
> They find someone else to drive them around - maybe their parents would be willing to oblige.

Think you need to be firm here - what you are asking for is NOT unreasonable - actually I am shocked that none of these so called friends have offered to give you money upfront.

Spongers

ash23

My drive home is just over 100 miles each way. It costs me €15 each way in a 1.4L car.
It would cost more with 3 other adults in the car. Lets say €35 for the total trip.

I would divide the €35 by 4. I would pay my part which I think is what the actual issue is here.
What I'm getting is that you want them to cover all the petrol between the 3 of them and they think the cost should be divided by 4.
Now, it is stingy of them, but I think that is where they are coming from.

You've a few choices. Insist they cover all the cost of the petrol and risk falling out with them. Divide the petrol costs equally between the 4 of you and carry on as you were. Or stop collecting them and let them get the bus.

ETA: if someone I was driving to and from home every week argued with me over a few euro, I simply wouldn't show up to collect them some Friday evening. I'd let them go to the bother and the expense of the train/bus and then see how co-operative they are when I broach the topic the following week.

LittleBook

I can see why this is in Personal Issues because if I was in this situation (as a passenger) the issue would be less about what it costs you to do the 140 mile trip in the car than what it would cost me to do the same trip on the bus/train, not to mention being dropped door to door.

If the round trip would cost (for example) €20 on the bus, I personally would give you (at least!) €10 and be very appreciative of the comfort and convenience you are adding to the journey.

In this case I think €10 for a 140 mile trip, door-to-door, is fair. If they think they're being ripped off they can make their own way home.

Moon Indigo

Sounds like they see you as an easy touch. If everything was put aside money etc etc what is up with these girls? Do they have no self respect? I was getting a lift off a lad and to get it I had to travel 10 mile and he picked me up there. I did this for a week. I was wreaking my head how to give him money or what to do. I don't understand how these girls can do this.
Its a fiver do they buy coffee? lunch? The wear and tear on the car, tax and insurance etc are all factors but driving is tiring. I'm sure you don't feel like driving at times!

Don't want to be harsh but get a backbone and tell them to cope on. Get receipts if you get anything done with the car. If you have to tax it, get a tyre whatever and show them the receipt. Explain they have an easy ride and petrol isn't free. Best of luck!

Thoie

Petrol? wrote: »

Should I have to pay my share to? should it be divided by 3 or 4?

Divide by 4 is the fairest way, otherwise you get into the "free" argument. However with my friends if the number doesn't split evenly, the driver pays the smaller amount. You're going to do the trip with or without them, so it's fair that you contribute to the petrol as well.

So, using the refueling idea, if it came to €50, the passengers would pay €13 each, while the driver would pay €11.

keithclancy

Wow, so much bad advice in this thread.

Ok, for starters.

It is only Illegal to carry passengers for Hire or Reward, it is not violating anything to split the cost of the Journey.

You split the Kilometer cost, not the fuel cost as you have:
1. Tax
2. Insurance
3. Depreciation
4. Servicing
5. NCT Cost

http://www.aaireland.ie/AA/Motoring-Advice/cost-of-motoring.aspx

Take the Total Kilometer, add 2 cent / Kilometer per extra person in the Car (More weight = more fuel) Then divide that by everyone in the car.

Theres also a Car Pooling site here.
http://www.carpool.ie/

I drive 40,000km/year myself to and from work, regularly take others, we share ALL the costs, the fuel is in allot of cases the cheap part (e.g. Driving somwhere in a Polo Bluemotion vs a Mercedes S320)

Your 'friends' can get the Bus if their not happy with it, its not like your obliged to drive anyone anywhere.

Did check the above with my Insurance also, they said its the case across the board as long as the Vehicle is designed to carry that amount of passengers.

Vicxas

Anytime someone asks me for a lift of more then 30km they would always contribute to petrol, i think asking for some money for petrol isnt a bad idea but if they dont wanna contribute voluntarily.... let them get the bus. see how they feel then.

cladda1112

let them bus it and dont think twice about it. They are very ungreatful girls. You should really give a long think to the fact that if you had an accident then you would soon see how good of friends they are. My partner use to give a life to a guy from limerick to cork and one day he asked him to put on his seat belt(years back) and the guy refused and said that if he fell out my partner was responsible. So the car was stopped and he got to find his own way to cork and that was a neighbour. Wait till you get a bill for car repairs or have to replace tyres etc. You dont need friends like them. They need to grow up and make their own way in this big bad world and it wont take them long to see how expensive cars are to keep on the road