The English team-Their own worst enemy

.ak

Naos wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BdsTh2oP6o

Ahhh totally forgot about that, jesus.. Hahah.

.ak

... actually, IF we get to the semi's and meet England there, I think it should be mandatory for all the squad to be reminded of that.

Clearlier

Conas wrote: »

It's not illegal until you get caught.

Bloodgate was soley Nigel Owens fault, and the other officials that were present that day. Actually it was very foolish that Nigel Owens didn't cop on to what the Harlequins were planning. It's the same way with Joe Sheridan's goal against Louth. everyone chances their arm in a hope of gaining an advantage, but that's why there's officials there. People will always try and bend the rules on and off the pitch. It's up for the powers in charge to be sharper and smarter.

I'm not particularly known for defending refs but this is a bit harsh on Owens. We're playing rugby not football here. We expect players and teams to abide by the rules and not wilfully break them. Owens isn't a medic. If a player claims to have a blood injury and looks to have blood coming out how is he supposed to judge that the player is faking?

.ak

Clearlier wrote: »

I'm not particularly known for defending refs but this is a bit harsh on Owens. We're playing rugby not football here. We expect players and teams to abide by the rules and not wilfully break them. Owens isn't a medic. If a player claims to have a blood injury and looks to have blood coming out how is he supposed to judge that the player is faking?

Nah, Owens should've taken some of the blood into a sample dish and tried to burn it to see if it was The Thing's blood.

danthefan

part time punk wrote: »

Slightly off topic but is it just me or has there been a lot of booing by the crowds when place kicks are happening. Particularly noticed it during Ireland vs Oz game, for both kickers.

If there has been, so what?

nice_guy80

Johnson has previous in this area

does nobody remember the famous water bottle and communication with the management in 2003 RWC??

JustinDee

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Johnson has previous in this area

does nobody remember the famous water bottle and communication with the management in 2003 RWC??

Yes. Despite the furore from some, he was actually drinking from a water bottle while talking to two players beside who were out of camera-shot.

Stev_o

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Johnson has previous in this area

does nobody remember the famous water bottle and communication with the management in 2003 RWC??

"Okay Johnson what I want you to do is finish the game with MORE points then them, understand?"

Probably the dumbest "incident" iv ever seen in sport.

astonaidan

TheHighRoad wrote: »

but, but....I thought there was nothing wrong with the ball????

It seems the sponsor's ball is causing a lot of problems for some of the best kickers in the tournament.

Some poor players are bringing the stats down aswell

nice_guy80

English players offside with female hotel worker...



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=10756115

GerM

Ah Haskell. Like there was any doubt he'd be one of the three involved in that. He's an awful idiot and will never learn at this stage. Whilst Johnson will defend his guys to the death in public I would say he absolutely tears strips off them for this behind closed doors.

ekevosu

GerM wrote: »

Ah Haskell. Like there was any doubt he'd be one of the three involved in that. He's an awful idiot and will never learn at this stage. Whilst Johnson will defend his guys to the death in public I would say he absolutely tears strips off them for this behind closed doors.

I think johnson dealt with this fairly well. He was never going to suspend them but he reprimanded them, didn't excuse their behaviour and whilst making sure the players apologised to the lady
In question, he also personally apologised. He can't be blamed he has to manage children like Ashton, Haskell and Hartley.

thomond2006

GerM wrote: »

Ah Haskell. Like there was any doubt he'd be one of the three involved in that. He's an awful idiot and will never learn at this stage. Whilst Johnson will defend his guys to the death in public I would say he absolutely tears strips off them for this behind closed doors.

He's an arrogant so and so, can't wait to see Ferris and O'Brien bulldoze him if they get the chance. Never seen him play a game where the hype surrounding him has been justified.

thomond2006

England centre Manu Tuilagi has been formally warned by police for disorderly behaviour after jumping from a ferry in Auckland.

A Rugby Football Union (RFU) source confirmed that Tuilagi was detained by police after swimming a short distance to pier three at the ferry terminal.

The RFU would not comment on whether alcohol was involved but did say the player was unharmed.

The England team are due to leave for the UK later on Monday.

The Samoa-born Leicester Tigers player jumped off the Fullers ferry Superflyte on its arrival from Waiheke Island, with the defeated England team on board just before 1900 local time (0700 BST) on Sunday.

After being warned at Auckland Central police station, he was then released to the England team management.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/15234032.stm

irishbucsfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

England centre Manu Tuilagi has been formally warned by police for disorderly behaviour after jumping from a ferry in Auckland.

A Rugby Football Union (RFU) source confirmed that Tuilagi was detained by police after swimming a short distance to pier three at the ferry terminal.

The RFU would not comment on whether alcohol was involved but did say the player was unharmed.

The England team are due to leave for the UK later on Monday.

The Samoa-born Leicester Tigers player jumped off the Fullers ferry Superflyte on its arrival from Waiheke Island, with the defeated England team on board just before 1900 local time (0700 BST) on Sunday.

After being warned at Auckland Central police station, he was then released to the England team management.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/15234032.stm

I could easilly see this being a forfeit on his part for losing a drinking game or something, with the guys not appreciating it was illegal.

Don't see this as a big deal to be honest.

Quint2010

Really surprised at Johnson. You dont see irish players embroiled in these kind of controversies. Johnson gives off the demenour of a strict disciplinarian where its obvious he is not and the players have little repect for him.

thomond2006

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I could easilly see this being a forfeit on his part for losing a drinking game or something, with the guys not appreciating it was illegal.

Don't see this as a big deal to be honest.

I don't either, but I still thought it merited posting here.

Chucky the tree

Quint2010 wrote: »

Really surprised at Johnson. You dont see irish players embroiled in these kind of controversies. Johnson gives off the demenour of a strict disciplinarian where its obvious he is not and the players have little repect for him.

Big difference in the respective media. In Ireland it doesn't really get reported as much. Also, most of the stuff gets hugely blow out of proportion.

wixfjord

If Tuilagi had a brain cell he'd be a great 13.
The last play of yesterdays game was idiotic.

LondonIrish90

wixfjord wrote: »

If Tuilagi had a brain cell he'd be a great 13.
The last play of yesterdays game was idiotic.

He's 19, he has the potential to be the next great northern hemisphere outside centre.

Johnson needs to go. He's a hero and a legend in England for obvious reasons but he simply doesn't have the experience (nor the ability, sadly) to coach this England team. England have every chance of going on to be a real force over the next 4, 5 and 6 years but a proper coaching team is desperately needed.

It is now that the likes of Tuilagi, Ashton, Foden, Youngs and Flood need to be forged into an expansive, inventive unit. 2 years down the line is not good enough. MJ and his coaches aren't up to the job.

pajunior

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

He's 19, he has the potential to be the next great northern hemisphere outside centre.

Johnson needs to go. He's a hero and a legend in England for obvious reasons but he simply doesn't have the experience (nor the ability, sadly) to coach this England team. England have every chance of going on to be a real force over the next 4, 5 and 6 years but a proper coaching team is desperately needed.

It is now that the likes of Tuilagi, Ashton, Foden, Youngs and Flood need to be forged into an expansive, inventive unit. 2 years down the line is not good enough. MJ and his coaches aren't up to the job.

I agree that MJ i not the man to lead England forward, but to be fair to him he has just won a 6 nations title, it's not something to be scoffed at imo.

JustinDee

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Johnson needs to go. He's a hero and a legend in England for obvious reasons but he simply doesn't have the experience (nor the ability, sadly) to coach this England team

He doesn't need to go. Like Woodward was, he's not the coach. It isn't rocket science. The coaches are in place and work with him.

Problem in that squad is quite obviously attitude and application. Certain players are more harm than good in the squad environment and should stick to playing club rugby based at home.
If Martin Johnson can't inspire the England squad, then you'll be hard-pressed to find somebody else who can.

justsomebloke

wixfjord wrote: »

If Tuilagi had a brain cell he'd be a great 13.
The last play of yesterdays game was idiotic.

less of the abuse please,


but as said he is still only a kid, his decision making skills SHOULD get better with age and good coaching, so give him a few years and see how he is going

backinexile

The English press have been unbelievable so far this World Cup, constantly going for blood on their own team.

I realise its a business and its about selling papers, but I think the constant hounding of their own team players and management, must have had a negative effect on them.

JustinDee

backinexile wrote: »

The English press have been unbelievable so far this World Cup, constantly going for blood on their own team.

I realise its a business and its about selling papers, but I think the constant hounding of their own team players and management, must have had a negative effect on them.

Its up to the team to give the press nothing but rugby to write about. Unfortunately, they haven't managed this.

LXFlyer

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I could easilly see this being a forfeit on his part for losing a drinking game or something, with the guys not appreciating it was illegal.

Don't see this as a big deal to be honest.

Except that he jumped off the rear of the ferry as it was about to go into reverse - that I call pure recklessness.

andrewdcs

backinexile wrote: »

The English press have been unbelievable so far this World Cup, constantly going for blood on their own team.

I realise its a business and its about selling papers, but I think the constant hounding of their own team players and management, must have had a negative effect on them.

works both ways tho, if your crap on the pitch and seen boozing and larking about like an end of year school tour you're going to have to expect the digs. Tindall scoring his ex was pure Daily Mail trouser rubbing dross. That's what England brought to the world cup, nothing else, a bit of tabloid tittle tattle, and that's why Johnson has to go.

The_Kew_Tour

I hope Johnson stays from an irish perspective.

Think he is doing a fine job:D

artvandelay48

The welsh team, with an illustrious history of drunken knackerness, took a voluntary vow of staying off the booze for the WC. The english see no harm in being photographed rat@rsed in kiwi bars.

Wales are in a semi and England are going home. End of story

hardCopy

Has there been any confirmation that this was actually drunken messing?

As much as I love slagging off the English team, this could have been something more serious.