if ya cant do the time, dont do the crime!!

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

My name is URL

Duly noted

AnonoBoy

Stealing watches.

You always get time for it.

biko

Of course, most people that commit a crime/offence don't think they'll get caught.

The Left Hand Of God

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

Prison is a bit harsh though.

We should bring back stockades and throw rotten veg at them I say!

Jaxxy

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

Is this a case of time being money?

orourkeda

Thats right

Temptamperu

The Left Hand Of God wrote: »

Prison is a bit harsh though.

We should bring back stockades and throw rotten veg at them I say!

You do know there was more to the stokades than rotten fruit. They where bent over for a reason

galwayrush

OP for leader.....:rolleyes:

lastlaugh

Hear Hear!

Oh_Noes

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

They're not debating doing crime and doing time, they're discussing the huge amounts of resources that are being wasted by arresting people and sending them to prison for a matter of hours to be sent home again.

OneArt

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

Well actually it seems to be cheaper to pay 1000 every now and then than regular insurance premiums. Not that I'm advocating driving without insurance.

A friend or two of mine don't buy train tickets and are usually fined 50 quid every couple of months. Usually is a lot more cost effective than the 80 quid per month. It makes me lawl.

amacca

agreed

but do the same to the people not paying their way at the top also

drum...fingleton, large developers taking the piss etc....pack them off to the big house also

Helix

bubblypop wrote: »

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

they should take it out of her dole

hondasam

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

abouttobebanned

OP, do you live on a cloud?

mikom

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

I'll eat my hat if they have anyone on who has been fined for not having a TV licence.

amacca

Temptamperu wrote: »

You do know there was more to the stokades than rotten fruit. They where bent over for a reason

the what now?

oh wait...........rectal exam from ye olde medical practitioner?

well these poor people who cant afford to pay their fines because they are on social welfare etc. should just get it taken from their benefits every week.

even a tenner a week till they pay off their fine.
then they wont cost the state loads of money by going to prison eh??

woodoo

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

Public Floggings in the town square

Keith186

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

Confiscate the car or other assets and sell them at auction to raise the fine?

hondasam

bubblypop wrote: »

well these poor people who cant afford to pay their fines because they are on social welfare etc. should just get it taken from their benefits every week.

even a tenner a week till they pay off their fine.
then they wont cost the state loads of money by going to prison eh??

Go to prison for a few hours and the fine is gone. You owe nothing.
Who is better of in the long run.

abouttobebanned

abouttobebanned wrote: »

OP, do you live on a cloud?

?? why? because im an angel is it??

no, absolutely not.
if i get caught and fined in court for breaking the law, then i'll pay my fine.
i wont go on tv crying cos im on the social and cant afford the fine!!!

convicted of public order? found the money to go drinking/taking drugs didnt ya?
convicted of no insurance? dont drive on a public road!!

do these people think they are above the law because they are not 'real' criminals??
or because they are too poor to pay fines??

Eroticfishcake

hondasam wrote: »

Go to prison for a few hours and the fine is gone. You owe nothing.
Who is better of in the long run.

So commit a crime yet have no consequences...yeh I can see that working well

hondasam

Keith186 wrote: »

Confiscate the car or other assets and sell them at auction to raise the fine?

Depends on the value of the car,might not be worth selling.

If you are a repeat offender then prison is the only answer.

SafeSurfer

bubblypop wrote: »

prime time tonight, people convicted in court cant pay their fines.

well dont break the law then!!

one woman on, convicted of driving without insurance, fined 1000 euro.
wouldve been cheaper to pay the insurance wouldnt it????

if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, am i right?

No you are not right.

It's a case of if you can't pay the fine then you do the time.

If you are poor you go to jail, if you are wealthier you part with some cash.

This is just one small part of the inequality in our justice system. Look at our current minister for Justice Alan Shatter. He was charging €635 per hour as a solicitor.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/shatters-legal-firm-in-battle-over-divorce-fees-2887846.html

You get the justice you can afford. If you can't afford justice don't expect any.

In the Annabel's case for example. Four accused. Two received custodial sentences, the two that received free legal aid, while the two represented by the the expensive barristers did not.

westendgirlie

Once again Ballygobackwards can't set up an IT system so that people can pay fines in increments over a period of time!

Easy to say "why don't they save the money in a piggy bank?" But the electricity bill arrives or an urgent doctors visit and there goes the money saved!

Deduct a fixed amount from wages or welfare payment. Link everything to PPS number. It all goes into state coffers anyway.

Temptamperu

amacca wrote: »

the what now?

oh wait...........rectal exam from ye olde medical practitioner?

And anyone else who had an urge, great system really.

hondasam

Eroticfishcake wrote: »

So commit a crime yet have no consequences...yeh I can see that working well

If you don't pay the fine you go to prison, this writes of the fine, you no longer owe anything.(not the case for everything).

galwayrush

Prison is for poor people and old ladies who don't want their trees chopped down.

SEPT 23 1989

Where are Fingleton Drumm Neary Cowen Ahearn are the rest of the fcuking bast@rds?

galwayrush

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where are Fingleton Drumm Neary Cowen Ahearn are the rest of the fcuking bast@rds?

Rich scumbags are a protected species it seems...

Phill Ewinn

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

There is a better system in place. Programme saod the legislation was put in place by the previous government BUT.... get this. Some IT people want €400,000 for changes that will accomodate the new changes.

400k. Mad fvcks. Sounds like the kind of mad money people were paying out before the bust for this kind of crap.

IMO it showed how being poor and Irish is the new black.

charlemont

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

No, There shouldn't be, Its a fair system, When people get fined in Ireland Prison time is a default if you cannot afford or do not want to pay the fine.

7sr2z3fely84g5

not everyone goes to prison is a "scumbag" though,the same can be said not all of them are on welfare,you can look at some cases *yes i admit you wont find much * that many where from well to do family's.

SafeSurfer

charlemont wrote: »

No, There shouldn't be, Its a fair system, When people get fined in Ireland Prison time is a default if you cannot afford or do not want to pay the fine.

So your ability to pay should dictate if you go to jail or not?

Are you in favour of those who can afford to pay compensation to their victims for assualt etc, avoiding custodial sentences while those who cannot pay go to jail?

Why not just bring back blood money so the uber wealthy can do whatever they want as long as they can afford to pick up the tab?

(Come to think of it they do anyway and the little people pick up the tab).

Mike 1972

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

Being prepared to go prison rather than pay a fine is a time honoured way of non-violently protesting ones innocence or an the imposition of an unjust law.

The Left Hand Of God

I don't see Regi on boards much but the fact he thanked the OP has left me feeling disturbed...

Logical Fallacy

biko wrote: »

Of course, most people that commit a crime/offence don't think they'll get caught.

And if they do it's a stupid law that shouldn't apply to them anyway.

charlemont

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So your ability to pay should dictate if you go to jail or not?

Are you in favour of those who can afford to pay compensation to their victims for assualt etc, avoiding custodial sentences while those who cannot pay go to jail?

Why not just bring back blood money so the uber wealthy can do whatever they want as long as they can afford to pick up the tab?

(Come to think of it they do anyway and the little people pick up the tab).

Yes It should indeed, People only get fines for minor offences anyway I'm only referring to fines not compensation which is completely separate so I suggest you should read between the lines before asking stupid and smart questions about it.

SafeSurfer

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

And if they do it's a stupid law that shouldn't apply to them anyway.

And we all know there is no such thing as a stupid law.

tayto lover

I know of two lads who stole a calendar and got 6 months each.

charlemont

tayto lover wrote: »

I know of two lads who stole a calendar and got 6 months each.

Well they obviously got lots of previous so, But someone who has never or rarely been before the courts would more likely than not be fined for that.

SafeSurfer

charlemont wrote: »

Yes It should indeed, People only get fines for minor offences anyway I'm only referring to fines not compensation which is completely separate so I suggest you should read between the lines before asking stupid and smart questions about it.

So in your opinion if someone on the dole commits, say a public order offence and a millionaire commits the the exact same offence and they both receive the exact same fine. It is fair that the poorer of the two goes to jail because they cannot afford to pay the fine?

If the level of fine was scaled as to income as in other countries, where for example very wealthy people pay thousands in fines for speeding, then I would agree with you. However standard fines without consideration for ability to pay favour the rich and are thus unjust.

I don't understand what you mean by reading between the lines. Thanks for referring to the questions you failed to answer as stupid and smart.
Sure have a think about it.

The Left Hand Of God

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Where are Fingleton Drumm Neary Cowen Ahearn are the rest of the fcuking bast@rds?

Indeed.
Neary is the worst IMO.

tayto lover

charlemont wrote: »

Well they obviously got lots of previous so, But someone who has never or rarely been before the courts would more likely than not be fined for that.

It was a joke - calendar and 6 months x 2. ... sorry

hondasam

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a joke - calendar and 6 months x 2. ... sorry

I laughed if that helps.

charlemont

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So in your opinion if someone on the dole commits, say a public order offence and a millionaire commits the the exact same offence and they both receive the exact same fine. It is fair that the wealthier of the two goes to jail because they cannot afford to pay the fine?

If the level of fine was scaled as to income as in other countries, where for example very wealthy people pay thousands in fines for speeding, then I would agree with you. However standard fines without consideration for ability to pay favour the rich and are thus unjust.

I don't understand what you mean by reading between the lines. Thanks for referring to the questions you failed to answer as stupid and smart.
Sure have a think about it.

Why would the wealthier bloke decide to go to prison ?

The level of fine scale is actually a good idea, Some bloke working for Nokia ended up paying over €100.000 in Finland for speeding offences but Ireland aint Finland and there is no way it would ever be implemented here as it would affect the rich too much.

As for your stupid questions on compensation !! This thread is about fines which have nothing to do with compensation.

charlemont

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a joke - calendar and 6 months x 2. ... sorry

Damn, Ha It was me who should have read between the lines, I fell for it straight away, Hands up for my stupidity ..:p

face1990

OP, you completely missed the point of the programme.

The main point is that prisons are overcrowded as it is. A big percentage of the people in prisons are there for a few days for not paying fines. It's a waste of resources and tax-payers money to send them to prison and doesn't benefit anyone.
Giving them community service or the likes is still making them do the 'time', benefits their local area and doesn't take up space in the prisons.

How does putting them in prison help anyone? It's not gonna get the money off them. And they just spend a day or two in a cell and go home again. It's so pointless.

Vizzy

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should go to prison for non payment of fines.
There should be a better system in place.

hondasam wrote: »

Depends on the value of the car,might not be worth selling.

If you are a repeat offender then prison is the only answer.

Make up your mind