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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    cuppa wrote: »
    If davoxx reply on this is it post over:)
    i sure hope so :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    It compares to 911 in several ways, I go through a couple.
    1. Profit comes before people. Everyday the folks working there and in surrounding structures were in danger of death but it was more important (profitable) to keep them working.
    2. It shows that construction workers could get in and out of the building without it's workers knowing.
    3. It shows that conspiracies of this nature are not as uncommon as one might think.

    1. They spent $10 million fixing the building over eight weeks - and that was in the 70's, a huge sum. They didn't want the scandal and they still admitted it after a few weeks.
    2. The majority of the building workers didn't know why they were there exactly, at least initially. But lots of other people knew and it all came out quickly. How many people have come out with anything about 911 after ten years?
    3. It shows one attempted conspiracy carried out while fixing a building and lasting mere weeks. It's the classic example of why things like this cannot be kept secret.
    snafuk35 wrote: »
    Who is they?

    Why are you posting on this thread if you are not going to tell me who the people involved in 9/11 were?

    Em I don't think 911 was a conspiracy so who would I name. On the Citycorp building... "The autonomy of other stakeholders was denied by the paternalistic behavior to which LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party."
    enno99 wrote: »
    I dont know how you can compare the two the Citicorp while maybe being unethical

    The other scenario if it happened would be outright criminal

    I'm not comparing. There's nothing to compare.

    Citycorp: Trying to quietly fix problems with the building to keep people safe, lots of people knew and it all came out within weeks
    911: Supposedly wiring a building to kill thousands of their own people (innocent people), not one person saw anything, not one person has said anything after ten years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭Daithi 1


    meglome wrote: »
    1. They spent $10 million fixing the building over eight weeks - and that was in the 70's, a huge sum. They didn't want the scandal and they still admitted it after a few weeks.
    2. The majority of the building workers didn't know why they were there exactly, at least initially. But lots of other people knew and it all came out quickly. How many people have come out with anything about 911 after ten years?
    3. It shows one attempted conspiracy carried out while fixing a building and lasting mere weeks. It's the classic example of why things like this cannot be kept secret.
    10 Million was the going rate for 100's/1000s lives in the 70's ?
    Many 9/11 whistle blowers has surfaced over the years but they're all "liars" and "kooks", as you so poignantly pointed out on many occasions.
    There are plenty of examples of secrets being kept by people for many years that eventually became declassified. You know of this, so dont give me that bull about "cannot be kept secret".


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    10 Million was the going rate for 100's/1000s lives in the 70's ?

    How many people were injured?
    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    Many 9/11 whistle blowers has surfaced over the years but they're all "liars" and "kooks", as you so poignantly pointed out on many occasions.

    I only called anyone a liar when it could be clearly shown they were. What whistler blowers are we talking about?
    Daithi 1 wrote: »
    There are plenty of examples of secrets being kept by people for many years that eventually became declassified. You know of this, so dont give me that bull about "cannot be kept secret".

    I never said it was impossible to keep something secret. But every one person that knows multiplies exponentially the likelihood of it coming out. There is no doubt in my mind that given the scope of the alleged conspiracy surrounding 911 that thousands would need to be in on it. Read this list to get some idea of how many we'd be talking about http://www.911myths.com/html/who_knew_.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭enno99


    meglome wrote: »
    1. They spent $10 million fixing the building over eight weeks - and that was in the 70's, a huge sum. They didn't want the scandal and they still admitted it after a few weeks.
    2. The majority of the building workers didn't know why they were there exactly, at least initially. But lots of other people knew and it all came out quickly. How many people have come out with anything about 911 after ten years?
    3. It shows one attempted conspiracy carried out while fixing a building and lasting mere weeks. It's the classic example of why things like this cannot be kept secret.



    Em I don't think 911 was a conspiracy so who would I name. On the Citycorp building... "The autonomy of other stakeholders was denied by the paternalistic behavior to which LeMessurier, Stubbins, Citicorp officers, Red Cross, city officials and a host of others were party."



    I'm not comparing. There's nothing to compare.

    Citycorp: Trying to quietly fix problems with the building to keep people safe, lots of people knew and it all came out within weeks
    911: Supposedly wiring a building to kill thousands of their own people (innocent people), not one person saw anything, not one person has said anything after ten years.

    Still talking hypothetically here

    You are comparing welders ( who might well have a chinwag about it after a few pints down the pub)with mercenaries/black ops contractors ( no Chance)


    You are assuming they would inform the Redcross ( where the leak came from) and all the other agencies and the host of others ie lawyers /insurance/managers etc

    So you need secrecy

    Well if your name came up on a list like this whether you are guilty or being set up by having evidence planted on your computer

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/36843411/Project-Flicker

    Im sure What ever role you played would go to your grave with you


    If someone cant be blackmailed how hard would it be to get them to a particular building at a particular time for a meeting/ job interview etc


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    enno99 wrote: »
    Still talking hypothetically here

    You are comparing welders ( who might well have a chinwag about it after a few pints down the pub)with mercenaries/black ops contractors ( no Chance)

    But I'm not just talking about welders at all. I'm talking about dozens of welders, an undetermined number of support workers, security staff, janitors, all the management, the architects, the engineers, the Red Cross, the Port Authority, the insurance company and a load of other people. So if you're asking me can two people keep a secret then yes they probably can. If you're asking me can hundreds keep the secret of the mass murder of their own people then I'd say no.
    enno99 wrote: »
    You are assuming they would inform the Redcross ( where the leak came from) and all the other agencies and the host of others ie lawyers /insurance/managers etc

    I'm assuming nothing. I am just using logic to say that having hundreds in on a 'secret' will mean it won't be secret for very long.
    enno99 wrote: »
    Well if your name came up on a list like this whether you are guilty or being set up by having evidence planted on your computer

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/36843411/Project-Flicker

    No idea how this is relevant.
    enno99 wrote: »
    Im sure What ever role you played would go to your grave with you

    If someone cant be blackmailed how hard would it be to get them to a particular building at a particular time for a meeting/ job interview etc

    Hundreds of people and not one, not a single one has said anything. Not a single one has told someone else who then let it out. You need to think about how hard it is for big secrets to be kept for anything other than a short period of time. You're using examples of a secret coming out in weeks to try to argue that keeping an even bigger secret on 911 is possible. You're actually showing it's less likely.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    enno99 wrote: »
    Still talking hypothetically here

    You are comparing welders ( who might well have a chinwag about it after a few pints down the pub)with mercenaries/black ops contractors ( no Chance)

    Exactly where does one hire these mercenaries. Where do you draw their ranks from.

    Not one of them has a change of heart? A Deathbed confession? A religious experience? Nor will a single one feel remorse and guilt, and break down and confess? Not one of them will ever tell the truth about what they did or saw?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    Di0genes wrote: »
    Not one of them has a change of heart? A Deathbed confession? A religious experience? Nor will a single one feel remorse and guilt, and break down and confess? Not one of them will ever tell the truth about what they did or saw?
    would you believe them if they did?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran
    Full details of the operation were released fifty years later, in 2003.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 833 ✭✭✭snafuk35


    Any names yet?
    I'm gonna keep asking this.
    Please give me at least some leads.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    Any names yet?
    I'm gonna keep asking this.
    Please give me at least some leads.

    what will you do with these leads? aRe you going to follow up on them? are you going to read up on them?

    but here is a name for you, G.W. Bush :pac:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 833 ✭✭✭snafuk35


    davoxx wrote: »
    what will you do with these leads? aRe you going to follow up on them? are you going to read up on them?

    but here is a name for you, G.W. Bush :pac:

    But who followed his orders and how did they make good on his orders? I want to know who they are. Now once again tell me who they are or else give a detailed outline of how the attacks were planned i.e. how many demolition experts were used, how much explosives, how they escaped the notice of the Port Authority, NYPD, FBI etc etc.
    You know, the actual nuts and bolts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,451 ✭✭✭weisses


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    But who followed his orders and how did they make good on his orders? I want to know who they are. Now once again tell me who they are or else give a detailed outline of how the attacks were planned i.e. how many demolition experts were used, how much explosives, how they escaped the notice of the Port Authority, NYPD, FBI etc etc.
    You know, the actual nuts and bolts?

    Do you have an idea who they are ?

    Why ask questions you know cannot be anwsered here ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Snafuk35, enough is enough. This thread could have gone in many directions, but you decided to lead it into a wall. Stop demanding answers to questions people here can't possibly answer. It's not proving anything and it's not going anywhere.

    I apologise to everyone else for letting it go on this long. Thread locked.


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