BANG! rule

need a aeg

i seen that on the other thread it was getting a bit out of hand so feel free to dispute












BANG RULE SUCKS

Puding

and why would it suck?

tbh i never had a problem with it, all depends on the mentality of players your around, the groups i play with do not treat airsoft as competitive and a 'bang kill' as you call it is just an extension of the honor system in play within airsoft

there is no right or wrong way , we have a lot of sites in Ireland and a load more in the uk just find a site with rules set that suits your view of airsoft and play style, their is no one size fits all in airsoft ( we do have a tendency to try and pull everyone together in airsoft when in reality there are a lot of sub groups of play, cycling is an activity but there are a lot of different specialty )

Sleveile

Give me the bang rule anyday.

I'd rather that than having some one opening up on full auto when they're only a short distance away, say around a corner.

A lot less painful................

What do they die hards have to say?

thermo

need a aeg wrote: »

i seen that on the other thread it was getting a bit out of hand so feel free to debate

FYP keep it civil lads there is no need for what went on in the other thread. enjoy

thermo

i agree with the bang courtesy (its not usually a rule per se) it avoids broken teeth and unnecessary hurt/pain.

$kilkenny

bang rule sucks?
what the......
the bang rule is a very good idea for airsoft.
no one likes someone opening up on them in the back because there was no bang rule.

im not getting at anyone here but need a aeg have you ever used the bang rule yourself?
because if someone put a full auto in my back because they didnt like the idea of it i would do the exact same thing back at them and im sure im not the only one. litterly you scratch my back and ill scratch yours.

thats like saying there shouldnt be any cards in a hurling or soccer match. why? because if it wasnt there in the first place people would get hurt and injured for stupid things.

Bobby Baccala

i support the bang kill rule.
When it comes down to it the bang rule is just for safety and without safety there would be no airsoft.


good idea for a thread OP

se conman

In my opinion , Airsoft is NOT real life and courtesy and sportsmanship DOES have a place in airsoft. I support the bangkill.

Arkslippy

I think there is no need for it. I think that if you are in close quarters you can simply quick tap in full auto and fire one or two rounds into the other players tac vest. Or if they aren't wearing one, into the chest.

At the end of the day you are responsible for what you do onsite.

And as a famous cult leader I'm the middle east a few thousand years ago was rumoured to have said.

"do onto others as you would have done onto yourself."

thermo

yes but sometimes the only visible part of "the enemy" is the head, even a single shot close on to the head is very sore and totally uncalled for.

Bobby Baccala

yeah but not everyone is gonna give you 1 or 2 rounds in the chest
you'd get lads who hadnt gone airsoftin before and dont know any better that would go full auto into your head before even thinking about 1 or 2 shots to the chest.

Arkslippy

thermo wrote: »

yes but sometimes the only visible part of "the enemy" is the head, even a single shot close on to the head is very sore and totally uncalled for.

If you are close enough to offer a bang kill, you should be able to see all of the target. Or offer surrender maybe.

I thought the idea of the bang kill was when you wind up so close to someone that shooting them is dangerous. that would be time for stealth or knife kill.

and I actually agree on the headshot thing, its not clever.

Arkslippy

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

yeah but not everyone is gonna give you 1 or 2 rounds in the chest
you'd get lads who hadnt gone airsoftin before and dont know any better that would go full auto into your head before even thinking about 1 or 2 shots to the chest.

Yes, but the new player, in the split second when they come across a player in a bang situation, would hardly have time to remember the rule and instinct would be to shoot.

You'd be better off having the thought of "be careful in close quarters, quick tap and aim for the mass."

Leftyflip

I support it, I don't use it very often. Sunday was a good example of when to and when not to use for me. I came around a corner and spotted an enemy player, the only shot on him I had was shoulders/head, so instead of shooting him from 3metres away and possibly hitting the player in the face, causing him undue pain - I pointed my AEG at him and said "bang" (or possibly "pew pew") and he took it, no questions asked and quietly said "cheers" realising how I could have chosen to shoot him.

The occasion where I could have but didn't is when I came around another corner and encountered three players, the first one saw me, jumped and dropped his rifle on the sling, he went to raise it at me so I put two round into his tacvest from about 2metres or so, I knew it wouldn't hurt but that he'd be well aware he was hit.

Bang kills for me are when I do not want to hurt a fellow player.

thermo

Arkslippy wrote: »

If you are close enough to offer a bang kill, you should be able to see all of the target. Or offer surrender maybe.

I thought the idea of the bang kill was when you wind up so close to someone that shooting them is dangerous. that would be time for stealth or knife kill.

and I actually agree on the headshot thing, its not clever.

in cqb gaming ive been in the situation where the only target was somebodys head, so of course the bang kill was offered and accepted gratefully.

dont mention the knife kill or it will really kick off lol.

Zomg Okay

Personally, I think its a great addition to the game. It just isn't necessary to lay into someone at close range in a regular skirmish, unless they're already shooting at you.

Having said that, I think it has no place in all-out CQB games (obvious exceptions being, for example, only the other guy's face is visible).

Inari

First off, I'm going to call the obvious here, although it has not been mentioned:

The BANG! kill is not a rule. Anywhere. It is a courtesy. It is the use of the word rule that causes a lot of the confusion. There are very few sites that force you to take a BANG! kill, and in EVERY site you are supposed to have your gun trained on the person. It is your choice to accept, or contest. If you contest you have to a) avoid being shot, and b) make the shot on the person.

I like BANG! kills for what they are; courtesy. I am not playing airsoft to physically hurt other players. Even in sites where BANG! kills are banned, I will offer it. It's not cause I'm a James Dean wannabe...it's because I don't want to hurt people.

Unless I hear "BANG!" in close proximity, I won't tend to take the kill. Not out of competitive behaviour, nor out of bravado...just simply because I do not believe they'll get the shot off. If they do, fair play. That said, I have taken the BANG! kill out of courtesy to others for offering it, even though their gun was not trained on me. But that is because I believe in the path of least resistance; sometimes it is easier to just take the hit.

When offering a Bang kill, I have my gun trained on them, and I'll alert them to my presence (not necessarily by saying BANG!) - then when they turn, I will either say 'BANG!', or let them work it out. If they hesitate, I will take the shot (vest or mid-section). If only their head is visible, and they don't take it, I won't take the shot. I'm not about risking people's health just to get a kill...and because I don't like being shot in the face, I won't willingly do it to others.

thermo

thermo wrote: »

i agree with the bang courtesy (its not usually a rule per se) it avoids broken teeth and unnecessary hurt/pain.

Inari wrote: »

First off, I'm going to call the obvious here, although it has not been mentioned:

The BANG! kill is not a rule. Anywhere. It is a courtesy. It is the use of the word rule that causes a lot of the confusion. There are very few sites that force you to take a BANG! kill, and in EVERY site you are supposed to have your gun trained on the person. It is your choice to accept, or contest. If you contest you have to a) avoid being shot, and b) make the shot on the person.

you must of missed it kev

Inari

Aye, my bad Thermey

I think Puding said it best; it's an extension of the honour system. Why needlessly hurt other players? It's your choice whether to offer it, and theirs to take it.

If you play with honour, you will only offer it when you have a guaranteed kill, and if you're offered it, you have the choice to accept or to take your chances

gerrowadat

Bang Kills? simple. If you don't like them, don't take them. Enjoy your close-up hits.

Evade

I use it very occasionally, only when a lone opposing player doesn't know I'm there (approaching from behind or beside) and when should they decide not to take it I'm ready to put a single round on the least sore place I can.

In my opinion any other situation especially face to face or against multiple opposing players only leads to arguments.

If in a head to head situation the only part of the opposition that is showing is their head (usually their AEG is up too so that's the ideal target) and they are shooting at me, I'll take the shot. I'll try my best to only hit them once and make it as pain free as possible.

At the end of the day anyone playing should know if you expose a part of yourself chances are someone will take a shot at it.

I don't wear a lower mask or helmet ever and if I expose my head I do so knowing that it will sting if I'm hit. I hope I don't get riddled but I have and it sucks although It doesn't happen often. If I was really that concerned about it I'd wear a full mask and helmet.

need a aeg

in vacant brian and adam stress how much you should wear mouth protection for obvious reasons but its under the players own will and they know it should be worn. I am opposed to the bang kill since it ruins the game as i was playing the other day and i ran to shoot a guy i missed and he shot me but if the bang kill was being used i would of gotten him but in real life its a possibility that you miss and get shot. so i feel it takes some milsim away. but i have seen the kinda bang kill in vacant and the old but better office block where someone was behind you and they just asked you to take it but it rarely happened :P and as thermo said the knife kill its the best way to use that type of peaceful no shooting approach. the bang kill stops you from being shot and isnt that part of the fun being shot and calling the fella a bas#=#@. and on the point of getting shot in the mask its not that bad its just a bit of a shock :L. i can understand the bang kill in outdoor as most people ive seen dont use mouth protection so for their safty its applied but in my opinion its a dumb rule for people who cant stand the pain of being shot up close

Inari

As has been mentioned, it's not a rule. It's a courtesy. That distinction is VERY important.

It's not about not wanting to be shot at close range, nor about not being able to take the pain. What it IS about is choosing NOT to INFLICT pain on others.

Most people do not like BANG! kills because of the abuse of them. It is always your choice to accept, or deny a BANG! kill. If you deny, they HAVE to get the shot on you. Realistically they can argue all day long, but unless they have the shot, it's null and void.

I offer BANG! kills when I would rather not hurt someone. That is the way I play. Similarly I have been hosed in the face (literally) by 2-3 players, from 3ft away on full auto, when I was the only person in the room. Where I was shot from my whole body was exposed, and I was only hit in the head. It's safe to say that's where was aimed for. That gave me the opinion that some people don't want to hurt others, yet others do. You have to ask yourself...do you not like the bang kill because you'd prefer the others to shoot you, or because you want to shoot the others.

need a aeg

i like it in the tactical way of if your coming to the back of someone and theres more than one i dont want to say bang and give away my position id pop him in the arse (only if its Brian :P) or in the calf and move more silently. and i also like inflicting pain on others as it teaches them to watch their back and watch around for different suspicious things, so it gets more alert airsofters thus increasing the airsoft level . and i like recieving the shot since its my fault for leaving myself open to a shot and really whats airsoft without the war wounds to tell the tale :P haha it is just my opinion

it really got on my nerves when the new office opened up and there is a bang RULE not an obligation if you have ever played at the office old or new its so confined that you dont even need a gun just run around shouting bang :L

and as i stated i agree with it when outdoor players who dont wear mouth protection get in a cqb situation that the bang rule should be applied for their safety but otherwise let them know its airsoft and it does hurt

Puding

its applied but in my opinion its a dumb rule for people who cant stand the pain of being shot up close

Well that where the problem is, some some people airsoft is all about getting shot and tbh shotting other people and shoot x number of rounds, i once got told that it was not airsoft unless your shooting stuff.

My view of airsoft is very different, i have gone whole events without firing a shot. shooting is just a tool to be used and another aspect of the experience but not the be all and end all.

If your just worried about kill count and see everything as a cod deathmatch then i can see how you would be against the the idea of the bang idea but i just do not see airsoft as a competitive activity and that change in view point means you view 'rules' in different ways.

it really got on my nerves when the new office opened up and there is a bang RULE not an obligation if you have ever played at the office old or new its so confined that you dont even need a gun just run around shouting bang :L

Why do you have such a problem? you do not play there by your own admission so it does not effect you, just because they choice to run things differently does not make it wrong. As i said before just find the site and players that have the same outlook on airsoft as you and have fun. A lot of people have an issue with how airsoft reloaded approach airsoft and personally i see it as having a negative impact on the development of airsoft but tbh that style of play is the most popular at the moment in Ireland.

In practical terms people do not run around shooting bang, some people may try and use the rule to their advantage at times but they normally get pulled up and talked to.

and i also like inflicting pain on others as it teaches them to watch their back

tbh this kind of attitude is dangerous and is having a detrimental effect on airsoft and is the poler opposite to how i view the hobby, personally this attitude has no place in the hobby

If your into the hobby to inflict pain then tbh if you want to experience of areas of the hobby like events abroad you need to loss that attitude or you will be told to f*** off

Lemming

need a aeg wrote: »

and i also like inflicting pain on others as it teaches them to watch their back

I'm not going to say what I'm thinking. I'll get banned.

it really got on my nerves when the new office opened up and there is a bang RULE not an obligation if you have ever played at the office old or new its so confined that you dont even need a gun just run around shouting bang :L

Heh. Might I suggest you re-examine your "sk1llz" because you ain't all that if you can't handle CQB and the bang kill rule. My local is a six storey building with a 350fps AEG limit (semi-auto only) and it works just fine with a bang kill rule. It isn't enforced officially but most players offer it as courtesy when you're dead to rights. And guess what? There's no problem.

and as i stated i agree with it when outdoor players who dont wear mouth protection get in a cqb situation that the bang rule should be applied for their safety but otherwise let them know its airsoft and it does hurt

I disagree. Every safety brief I've ever heard includes "if you're not wearing full face protection, it's your own decision". And nobody ever disputes that. Woodland or CQB.

Bottom line; if you're immature enough to think that shooting someone point blank in the face without thinking is "fun" because you're "inflicting pain"; airsoft isn't for you, nor will you prove to be particularly popular ...

F.U.B.A.R

Lemming wrote: »

Bottom line; if you're immature enough to think that shooting someone point blank in the face without thinking is "fun" because you're "inflicting pain"; airsoft isn't for you, nor will you prove to be particularly popular ...

Guess i should stop playing then

Also not sure if its been mentioned but i have often come across the "knee jerk" reaction of startled players just pulling the trigger sometimes even shooting themselves and its happened to me before i could even say BA...

Alan b.

i more or less agree with everyone who isnt need a aeg,

im not a fan of bang kills for the most part,
and i've played woodland and cqb for years, i've been on the recieving end of a face full of bb's while wearing just a pair of goggles, but i stand by my opinion which is as follows,

if somebody walks by you and you are in cover and are not seen, theres no reason to shoot them as they are dead to rights, offer the bang, and if they hesitate, or do anything but put their hands up, shoot them, and explain yourself afterwards if you have to,

if you sneak into an area behind somebody who is facing away from you, shoot them or if you are at close range, offer the bang, and again, if they dont surrender, shoot them,

however,
in a cqb situation, where you come round a corner face to face with somebody and shout bang, thats rubbish,
if two players round a doorway/corner/coridor/object together at the same time, shouting bang should be ignored and a shot fired.
calling bang in a situation where both players confront each other and both are not expecting it, thats not what bang is supposed to be for, as said, you could easily miss in a reactionary situation like that. and disputes are caused.
if i was running for cover and a player running for the same cover shouted bang at me, the only thing i'd die of is laughing.

airsoft is a game at the end of the day, not real life, so you should get that idea out of your head sharpish. its not even a full on milsim game for the most part.
common sense should apply, and if there is no doubt you have them killed, then they should accept the bang, if they dont want it, you are still going to be able to get the kill before they kill you, so it shouldnt be an issue.

need a aeg

ok pudding im just saying not in a bad way that you dont talk for every person abroad. but im not playing just to hurt people as you think i am but its funny when soeone gets a stinging shot and they laugh and try get you back but as i stated in my other post its MY opinion so no one has to listen . but there isa reason airsoft hurts and you play cqb its a giving and getting if you dont like the pain as you are basically saying except for pudding go play nerf and offer the bang kill :L. but i understand its nice to offer it when someones right beside you but at ten feet away like most places its stupid. i offer a sort of bang kill if im right beside someons ill just either kinda touch them in the head with the back of my gun and ask them do they want to take it or THE best option i feelb just knife kill in close range its just the way i think so feel free to object and talk for places abroad who all hate my thinkings since youre in contact with everyone who plays airsoft.

Puding

and out of all that post that is the only point you choose to address....good game, good game

anyway defiantly do not talk for every but i would still confidently stick by my statement

Firekitten

What does 'abroad' have to do with this?


End of the day, as others have said, its a courtesy. a Honour, and sportsmanship aspect to our sport. We are all friends. This is not real war. You go home or to the pub after the game, and come back again, nobody dies.

Why be muppets and inflict pain 'for the fun of it' as Need a aeg says? That, in my book, is bad sportsmanship.

To those that think it detracts from the milsim aspect, calling someone out, and them having the chance to shoot you if you dont react fast enough...

Consider it an 'arrest kill' you call them, ie, 'get down,' they can either comply, or try to resist it... either way, its completely realistic, and the only thing limiting you, is the mindset, which in Need a aeg's case, is the wrong one.

Our sport is based on honour. we have to be honourable enough to admit we are grown adults with toy guns. Those out to hurt others for 'fun' or to 'teach a lesson' should be made an example of in the name of airsoft.

If you're worried about someone you don't know, taking a bang kill... remember the golden rule folks....

A site owner once told me in the safety brief.... "Only bang someone you know!" :D

Stone.cold

need a aeg wrote: »

and i also like inflicting pain on others as it teaches them to watch their back

i cant believe someone actually put that in print

i am always amazed by peoples reaction to the bang kill, obviously if someone runs into a group of people and shouts i bang u all (and it did happen trust me) than that is just plain stupid but if it is offered to avoid someone been shoot at close range than where's the problem, i recently approached a room with a player inside i knew the size of the room and knew that once the door was breached he could only be 3-4 feet from the door so i raised my pistol burst in and shouted bang, he took it everybody was happy.

so what would be the point of bursting in and double tapping, single tap going for a knife kill or anything else, if he had tried to return fire my pistol was on him so it would have been futile for him to try fire

Faolchu

I agree with it. I think it's an extension of the honour system. That said I've been guilty of not offering it, more because of the rush at that moment and not thinking for that split second more than a want or desire to injure someone

for example on Saturday I was in redbarn and managed to come behind one guy, i stepped around the corner, saw him facing the wrong way and just shot with my pistol. i purposly aimed center mass but in hindsight i should have offered teh bang kill to him or maybe a knife kill if i could have. and considering when he said "nice kill" when i shot him he probably would have taken it out of sportsmanship.

previously i was in a site where myself and one guy kept sneaking up and turning corners to face each other. every time we just noded to each other and walked off to repsawn, no shots no Calling of the hit to give away positions. we just turned about and ran away. Same site his team mate leaned over a wall and shot me point blank in the top of the head. his aeg was no more than 2 feet from my head.

i was on another site and turned a corner and someone was waiting on me and shot me in the face point blank, this guy acts as a marshal on this site frequently. he laughed a little as he moved off and a few seconds later i felt somehting run down my face. he'd ended up splitting the skin and drawing blood. he had me dead to rights, no question, could have shot me anywhere, arm or body but chose to go for a head shot cos he was already aiming high as i stepped out.

F.U.B.A.R

I once witnessed a whole team (10-15 lads) call bang on one poor young fella who happened to stumble uppon them by accident its sounded like a flock of bleating sheep needless to say the young fella droped the gun threw both his hands in the air and walked away

And thats why they use JG as rentals

Stone.cold

need a aeg wrote: »

i offer a sort of bang kill if im right beside someons ill just either kinda touch them in the head with the back of my gun and ask them do they want to take it

Are you for real?? and the people you play with have no problem with this

F.U.B.A.R

Stone.cold wrote: »

Are you for real?? and your local site has no problem with this

Yes your rite there thats a bit nuts in fairness

Salaas

To myself the BANG! courtesy is just that a courtesy, as many people have said already, its a choice for both players and depends strongly on the honour of both players. Why do I say both? Well it can be abused by both the person saying Bang! and the person who is being Banged! *Gotta be careful with words here or it'll sound like a porno* In that the person who is using bang could run into each room shouting BANG! without even knowing whats in there and expect people to take the hit *I've played a few matches where people have done this* And on the other side of the coin you have people who get snucked up on and get Banged! and then turn around and shoot the person. *seen a guy sneak up on another and whisper Bang! into his ear only to have the guy turn around and shoot him point blank and declare he doesn't follow the Bang! courtesy.*

I myself will offer the Bang! if I catch the other person to where I'm firing point blank and I have the superior firing position so there is no argument as to wether I'd have shot them first or not.
The majority of people will take the hit and offer a quick cheers but the few people who have not taken the hit and tried to fire at me; resulting in them get a shot to the chest.

I have found the biggest problem with the The BANG! courtesy is that alot of people have had it explained incorrectly and hence do not understand it correctly.
I've had to correct a marshall more than once when they were explaining it to avoid confusion and have had no problems with it during that game but in games where it has not been explained fully there's been all out war with people abusing the Bang! on both sides.

So with myself, I see it as a courtesy and if someone is able to sneak up on me and get a point blank shot on me and says Bang! I will take it, but if someone runs into a room roaring Bang! without even knowing who's in there I will just shoot them and move on as they are just abusing it.

*Would talk about knife kills but that's a different topic tbh*

Puding

a lot of the time the problem is that when people are told about the bang rule they hear a figure of say 10 feet and then treat that as hard and fast, guys its just a guide line you need to just apply some common sense

seen people argue that someone was 11 feet away for example, if your doing that you have completely missed the idea behind the rule and the spirit of the game/hobby

thermo

need a aeg wrote: »

and i also like inflicting pain on others as it teaches them to watch their back

seriously?? perhaps airsoft is not a game for you.

the flip side of that is you hurt a guy on purpose to "teach them a lesson" and they catch you in the next game and light you up with a long burst from a lipo powered auto-fed monster when a double tap would do, will you complain to the site owner or say "he taught me a valuable lesson to watch my back"?

Bernie Mac

I have personally been offering bang kills since I started playing. The only issue I have with it, is when people try to turn around and return fire. If I have managed to get up close enough to use it, you should except it and take it, as for me I could have shot and didn't so it is, in my opinion, just like not taking a hit.

Hypothetically if I didn't offer a bang kill and just fired, you wouldn't turn around and shoot me, as this is breaking our most famous rule. I will always take one if offered and always encourage its use as it is no fun getting a mouth full of bb's from a Lipo'ed up, stubby thriller at close range with someone who seems to have an issue with semi or short bursts. :rolleyes:

That's my opinion on things.

Firekitten

Im all for people having the chance, to turn and shoot you. If you're a muppet and stood there with your thumb up your backside when you offer the bang kill, be prepared for them to see if they are fast enough. If you did say to someone in real life 'drop the weapon' and pointed a gun at them, its thier call to do comply, or drop it.

If they can shoot you, fair cop. if they try, and your pistol is pointing at thier backside when they even flinch... give them a shot :P

I never call bang kill without my weapon trained on them. If they want to get shot, its thier call. I respond in kind myself. If they have the drop, I accept it gracefully.

Stone.cold

Bernie Mac wrote: »

The only issue I have with it, is when people try to turn around and return fire.

I agree personally I have never not taken a bang kill 1st knowing my luck my gun would be out of gas or jam & 2nd as you said they have taking the time to sneak up on you, you to blame for not noticing them so kudos to them take it and move on (watch your corners from now on)

i will never understand the mentality of sure its better to full auto them & if the cant take it wuss, i have been hit at close range by accident and it drew blood from my face and hurt like a mofu & likewise i moved in on an area where i knew a guy was hiding purposely aimed low cause i had a feeling he would make a break for it, but didn't he coming running out in a ducked stance of course i fired hit him in the face and cut him, i felt like **** afterwards, not because he was a wuss and went home crying but because i didnt need or want to hit him in the face.

now i mostly play in a cqb environment now but i still hate firing on players at close range and i defiantly wouldn't do it on anything bar semi

Firekitten

Stonecold has it pretty good there... agree.

J.D.R

Bernie Mac wrote: »

I have personally been offering bang kills since I started playing. The only issue I have with it, is when people try to turn around and return fire. If I have managed to get up close enough to use it, you should except it and take it, as for me I could have shot and didn't so it is, in my opinion, just like not taking a hit.

Hypothetically if I didn't offer a bang kill and just fired, you wouldn't turn around and shoot me, as this is breaking our most famous rule. I will always take one if offered and always encourage its use as it is no fun getting a mouth full of bb's from a Lipo'ed up, stubby thriller at close range with someone who seems to have an issue with semi or short bursts. :rolleyes:

That's my opinion on things.

I'm not saying this as an attack on you, but this is why i hate the bang kill. I do not take the bang kill, ever. I have offered it on occasion when the only reasonable shot is to the face or back of the head, but otherwise I try to avoid it.

I don't take it for the simple reason that everyone has stated, it's a courtesy, not a rule. If you offer it to me, and I start turning around to shoot, I have no problem with getting shot in the face as it's my choice.

But, if I manage to shoot you instead, 9/10 it turns into the you getting pissed off and shouting for a Marshall or starting a shouting match. I shoudn't be able to shoot you!! And if I do, you clearly didn't have as clear a shot as you thought.

Fine if you want to offer it, but don't get pissed off when I don't take it and you miss.

(When I say you in this, I mean the hypothetical shooter, not BernieMac)

Airsoft Reloded

Stone.cold wrote: »

i will never understand the mentality of sure its better to full auto them & if the cant take it wuss, i have been hit at close range by accident and it drew blood from my face and hurt like a mofu & likewise i moved in on an area where i knew a guy was hiding purposely aimed low cause i had a feeling he would make a break for it, but didn't he coming running out in a ducked stance of course i fired hit him in the face and cut him, i felt like **** afterwards, not because he was a wuss and went home crying but because i didnt need or want to hit him in the face.

now i mostly play in a cqb environment now but i still hate firing on players at close range and i defiantly wouldn't do it on anything bar semi

I absolutely agree, that's why you ban full auto and employ a semi only rule within 10ft. The knife kill sorts those at point blank range. The no full auto & semi within 10ft rules are mandatory but the knife kill is made optional.

Stone.cold

J.D.R wrote: »

I'm not saying this as an attack on you, but this is why i hate the bang kill. I do not take the bang kill, ever. I have offered it on occasion when the only reasonable shot is to the face or back of the head, but otherwise I try to avoid it.

I don't take it for the simple reason that everyone has stated, it's a courtesy, not a rule. If you offer it to me, and I start turning around to shoot, I have no problem with getting shot in the face as it's my choice.

But, if I manage to shoot you instead, 9/10 it turns into the you getting pissed off and shouting for a Marshall or starting a shouting match. I shoudn't be able to shoot you!! And if I do, you clearly didn't have as clear a shot as you thought.

Fine if you want to offer it, but don't get pissed off when I don't take it and you miss.

(When I say you in this, I mean the hypothetical shooter, not BernieMac)

Well said, ok this is where i see the site operator & marshals part in this, if a site is going to allow the use of a bang kill then it must be clearly explained at the beginning of the day as if every person present was a 6 yr old, and then if a situation arises where a bang kill is used everyone should be singing of the same hymn sheet, if how ever a player kicks off over the situation it is up to the marshals/site operators to intervene and pull up the offending player and stop it from happening.

at the end of the day a bang kill is used to prevent cause unnecessary pain or injury to a player, if you burst into a room and shout bang and have no idea where the individual in the room is well that's just pure stupidity, if however you come across a player with his back to you and you are in close proximity it doesn't mean your not rambo if you offer him/her a bang kill if the player turns to fire and you have not got him in your sights and he gets the drop on you than silly you, screaming and shouting about only serves to alert everyone to the fact that you got beaten in a stand off.

thegrayson

I'm a firm believer in the Bang kill. So far I have only skirmished a couple of times with rentals. On one of these occasions while making my way through some undergrowth on my belly I got shot in the ear. There turned out to be a kid in a ghillie suit about four feet away from me. The shot hurt like f**k and drew blood. My tough luck for not seeing him, he had a great position, but at that range there was no excuse for pulling the trigger. I play to have fun, I do take my hits, I don't mind getting shot, I do offer bang kills, I don't play to have ignorant scrotes shoot me point blank for their own gratification.

Firekitten

My local simplifies the bang kill.


' You may offer another player the bang kil but you don't have to, if they choose to take it... great.

if they choose to not take it, and try to shoot you, they're fully allowed to, so be sure to have your weapon on target, and do them first. Don't come crying if you're a slow arse'

It works suprisingly well.


this way, some shoot, some dont, some offer, some dont. Its entirely choice, and its so simple that it works.

No distances, no 'required to take it, 'omg he didnt'. Everyone works to what they know.

I personally take it every time. I'm a good sport, (unless they're really asleep at the trigger)

If i offer it, be 100% certain that my barrel is pointed at some part of your anatomy (usually a pouch, or bum) and if you THINK about flinching, you're toast. Simples

sliabh

Firekitten wrote: »

My local simplifies the bang kill.

' You may offer another player the bang kil but you don't have to, if they choose to take it... great.

It works suprisingly well.

this way, some shoot, some dont, some offer, some dont. Its entirely choice, and its so simple that it works.

No distances, no 'required to take it, 'omg he didnt'. Everyone works to what they know.

If i offer it, be 100% certain that my barrel is pointed at some part of your anatomy (usually a pouch, or bum) and if you THINK about flinching, you're toast. Simples

It's pretty much the way it works here in Austria as well. It's being a good sport to offer it, but if you want to take your chances you don't have to take it either.

The last time I was "bang" killed I was creeping through a forest when I heard a polite cough and "bang" from a guy hidden in undergrowth pointing a 450 fps SVD at me from about 5m away.

I took the hit and said thanks to him as well for being nice enough to offer it!

Bernie Mac

Stone.cold wrote: »

I agree personally I have never not taken a bang kill 1st knowing my luck my gun would be out of gas or jam & 2nd as you said they have taking the time to sneak up on you, you to blame for not noticing them so kudos to them take it and move on (watch your corners from now on)

i will never understand the mentality of sure its better to full auto them & if the cant take it wuss, i have been hit at close range by accident and it drew blood from my face and hurt like a mofu & likewise i moved in on an area where i knew a guy was hiding purposely aimed low cause i had a feeling he would make a break for it, but didn't he coming running out in a ducked stance of course i fired hit him in the face and cut him, i felt like **** afterwards, not because he was a wuss and went home crying but because i didnt need or want to hit him in the face.

now i mostly play in a cqb environment now but i still hate firing on players at close range and i defiantly wouldn't do it on anything bar semi

Good point and I have been in point ends of that. I have been in a situation where I offered a bang kill, my target turned and fired, we hit eachother at the same time, however, while I was wearing a full face mask, it managed to hit and split one of my teeth. As a result I now have to wear a denture (I'm only 22 and wore braces for 4 years, this was a huge blow to me) so me in pain turn cursing to the heavens, not at them but more at the shock of it. He saw me turn around and continued on, not a bother, I had hit him at the same time, it was a 50/50 deal, but no.

This is my reasoning to ALWAYS offering it and ALWAYS taking it. As such I would expect the other person to respect I did not cause them unnecessary harm by shooting them and take it.

However I feel I have a soloution. A simple relabel of words. Instead of using the word "BANG!", which we associate with a shot fired, we replace it with a simple "SURRENDER". This gives them the option. As when I present a bang kill I MUST have the shot, so this way its a shot or you walk off and consider yourself hit.

How does that suit?

Zomg Okay

Bernie Mac wrote: »

Instead of using the word "BANG!", which we associate with a shot fired, we replace it with a simple "SURRENDER".

Yeah, "Surrender!" would be a better word to use. Still, if the use of Bang! kills is explained properly it shouldn't be a problem.

If you don't mind my asking, how did the BB split a tooth if you had a mask on?