Irish Delegates walk out of Ahmadinejad UN Speech

irishconvert

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/

DELEGATES FROM THE US and Ireland walked out of the UN General Assembly today as Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech.

Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

RandomName2

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/



Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

Well he's wrong and rambling. Could understand US delegates walking out (as it would have been personally insulting). Perhaps the Irish delegates just got fed up of the tirade?

Jonny7

Excerpt :

Who abducted forcefully tens of millions of people from their homes in Africa and other regions of the world during the dark period of slavery , making them a victim of their materialistic greed.

Who imposed colonialism for over four centuries upon this world. Who occupied lands and massively plundered resources of other nations, destroyed talents, and alienated languages, cultures and identities of nations?

Who triggered the first and second world wars, that left seventy millions killedand hundreds of millions injured or homeless. Who created the wars in Korean peninsula and in Vietnam?

Who imposed, through deceits and hypocrisy, the Zionism and over sixty years of war, homelessness, terror and mass murder on the Palestinian people and on countries of the region?

Who imposed and supported for decades military dictatorship and totalitarian regimes on Asian, African, and Latin American nations.

Who used nuclear bomb against defenseless people, and stockpiled thousands of warheads in their arsenals?

Whose economies rely on waging wars and selling arms?

Who provoked and encouraged Saddam Hussein to invade and impose an eight-year war on Iran, and who assisted and equipped him to deploy chemical weapons against our cities and our people.

Who used the mysterious September 11 incident as a pretext to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, killing, injuring, and displacing millions in two countries with the ultimate goal of bringing into its domination the Middle East and its oil resources?

I could have sworn Germany might have had something to do with both World wars but obviously I must be mistaken.

mike65

It was the usual anti-west anti Jew rant from a nut. Ahmadinejad never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to present a more constructive and friendly face to the world at large.

naldface

Jonny7 wrote: »

Excerpt :



I could have sworn Germany might have had something to do with both World wars but obviously I must be mistaken.

You could have, but you didn't. Therefore, guess again

Zombrex

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/



Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

The figure head of a brutal repressive Islamic regime does not lecture the west on what it is doing wrong. The worst days of the financial crisis would have seemed like a beautiful day to an Iranian.

The Waltzing Consumer

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/



Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

It is unnerving when a moderator defends a speech which contains factual inaccuracies, conspiracy theories and plain, hatred.

Do boards not have any set standards when it comes to picking mods?

Your forum must be a place of enlightenment with you modding it. :rolleyes:

digme

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It is unnerving when a moderator defends a speech which contains factual inaccuracies, conspiracy theories and plain, hatred.

Do boards not have any set standards when it comes to picking mods?

Your forum must be a place of enlightenment with you modding it. :rolleyes:

what did he say that was inaccurate?

Benny_Cake

I wonder which group of evil geniuses were behind this list of atrocities.He asked the questions but left us hanging!

mike65

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I wonder which group of evil geniuses were behind this list of atrocities.He asked the questions but left us hanging!

There's the set up to an Iranian themed punch line if I ever saw one!

digme

digme wrote: »

what did he say that was inaccurate?

Starting two world wars?

America was into isolationalism at the time.

irishh_bob

mike65 wrote: »

It was the usual anti-west anti Jew rant from a nut. Ahmadinejad never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity to present a more constructive and friendly face to the world at large.

ahmadinejad is a tedious ranter but i dont see why he was anymore entitled to a mass walkout than the barefaced liar that is benjamin neyenathou

The Waltzing Consumer

digme wrote: »

what did he say that was inaccurate?

The two world wars caused by the US? Nuclear bomb against defenseless people? His conspiracy notions about 9/11. He said European countries were paying a fine or ransom to the Zionists because of the Holocaust. He said NATO sanctioned drug trafficking. He said the US and allies threaten Iran because they question the holocaust.

:pac: yeah, it is really accurate.

irishconvert

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/



Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

You know when you are down in the pub and some aul lad that has had to much to drink starts ranting and you know he is talking absolute muck. It can cause you to leave instead of listen to such drivel. In the case od the irianian president, it's too much conspiracy theories he's had instead of drink.

leonidas83

its a thundering disgrace, could understand the american delegates walking out but the irish ones had no business doing so. Our representatives have become very good at brownosing in recent times and this is no exception.

Alot of what he says is historically inaccurate but he does make alot of valid points especially concerning weapons of mass destruction, nuclear or otherwise and america's hypocrisy surrounding these issues.

The irish delegates are nothing short of an embarrasment

Augmerson

Deleted User wrote: »

You know when you are down in the pub and some aul lad that has had to much to drink starts ranting and you know he is talking absolute muck. It can cause you to leave instead of listen to such drivel. In the case od the irianian president, it's too much conspiracy theories he's had instead of drink.

The mental image of Ahmadinejad sitting in the corner, absolutely locked on Gin and ranting away in the corner of your local while everyone pretends not to notice or care...priceless.

Dirk Gently

All this walking out of speeches at the U.N. is very childish and tedious. I'm disappointed with the Irish delegation for walking out on frankly anyone speaking at the U.N. If people walked out every time someone made a loaded speech then the permanent security council members would be orating to an empty room most of the time.

dlofnep

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

The two world wars caused by the US? Nuclear bomb against defenseless people? His conspiracy notions about 9/11. He said European countries were paying a fine or ransom to the Zionists because of the Holocaust. He said NATO sanctioned drug trafficking. He said the US and allies threaten Iran because they question the holocaust.

:pac: yeah, it is really accurate.

Did we read the same transcript? I just read it, and not once did I see him state that 2 world wars were caused by America. He was asking a question 'Who?' and not stating who. By reading it, I gathered that he was trying to highlight that all of these injustices were done in the absence of Iran. Basically - I think he's trying to highlight that Iran is unfairly criticised, when all of these other acts get a free pass.

He's right that the US used 9/11 as an opportunity to invade Iraq. That is not even up for dispute. He made some good points, right up until he went into conspiracy mode about who caused 9/11. We know very well it was Saudi Hijackers.

Now unless I've missed something - Could you point me out where he said that the US started 2 world wars? Also the ransom thing about Zionists, I couldn't find that either in the transcript.

digme

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

The two world wars caused by the US? Nuclear bomb against defenseless people? His conspiracy notions about 9/11. He said European countries were paying a fine or ransom to the Zionists because of the Holocaust. He said NATO sanctioned drug trafficking. He said the US and allies threaten Iran because they question the holocaust.

:pac: yeah, it is really accurate.

england and france "triggered" the second world war.
as for 9/11 , i don't believe the official story at all anyone with a bit of intelligence wouldn't either.

well the germans are giving Israelis massive amounts of money. the cia traffics drugs, so why not nato? questioning the jewish holocaust shouldn't be a crime. i support freedom of speech.

dlofnep

dlofnep wrote: »

Did we read the same transcript? I just read it, and not once did I see him state that 2 world wars were caused by America. He was asking a question 'Who?' and not stating who. By reading it, I gathered that he was trying to highlight that all of these injustices were done in the absence of Iran. Basically - I think he's trying to highlight that Iran is unfairly criticised, when all of these other acts get a free pass.

He's right that the US used 9/11 as an opportunity to invade Iraq. That is not even up for dispute. He made some good points, right up until he went into conspiracy mode about who caused 9/11. We know very well it was Saudi Hijackers.

Now unless I've missed something - Could you point me out where he said that the US started 2 world wars? Also the ransom thing about Zionists, I couldn't find that either in the transcript.

Every other one of his points referred to the USA.

The Waltzing Consumer

leonidas83 wrote: »

its a thundering disgrace, could understand the american delegates walking out but the irish ones had no business doing so. Our representatives have become very good at brownosing in recent times and this is no exception.

Alot of what he says is historically inaccurate but he does make alot of valid points especially concerning weapons of mass destruction, nuclear or otherwise and america's hypocrisy surrounding these issues.

The irish delegates are nothing short of an embarrasment

There needs to be a standard. The man could be blasting on about how Ireland had been full of leprechauns, then those Jewish English Americans came over with rock music and weapons of mass destruction, the native leprechauns were forced to flee into cereal boxes and hollywood films and now how all this was a clever ploy for Zionist imperialism.

Why the hell would someone sit through boring fantasy speeches? It would be more useful and accurate for the UN to be hanging out in the Games Workshop or on the world of warcraft with a bunch of nerds listening to them, then listening to this Iranian nutjob.

digme

digme wrote: »

england and france "triggered" the second world war.
as for 9/11 , i don't believe the official story at all anyone with a bit of intelligence wouldn't either.well the germans are giving Israelis massive amounts of money. the cia traffics drugs, so why not nato? questioning the jewish holocaust shouldn't be a crime. i support freedom of speech.

Are you serious? I feel sorry for you.:(

Jonny7

digme wrote: »

england and france "triggered" the second world war.

This is the second time you've made that claim on this forum..

Can you back it up?

The Waltzing Consumer

digme wrote: »

england and france "triggered" the second world war.
as for 9/11 , i don't believe the official story at all anyone with a bit of intelligence wouldn't either.

well the germans are giving Israelis massive amounts of money. the cia traffics drugs, so why not nato? questioning the jewish holocaust shouldn't be a crime. i support freedom of speech.

right...I mourn when threads in the politics forums delve this low. The fact that England and France are being blamed for triggering the second world war, followed by 9/11 conspiracy rant.

Can we move this thread to the conspiracy section of the site?

digme

Jonny7 wrote: »

This is the second time you've made that claim on this forum..

Can you back it up?

1939: Britain and France declare war on Germany

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm

digme

digme wrote: »

1939: Britain and France declare war on Germany

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm

So it's fine to annex countries?

The Waltzing Consumer

This thread has officially been taken over by the Jim Corr society

mike65

Here we go! In digmes world Germany invades Poland everyone stands by despite a mutual assistance pact

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_of_Mutual_Assistance_between_the_United_Kingdom_and_Poland-London_(1939)

Mahatma coat

The USSR Invaded Poland too,yet they became Allies of Britain

Churchil was a Warmonger, The Fuhrer's Germany didnt want a War until at least the mid Forties. Churchill started the War for his own egotistical ends.

What else do people consider Untrue in Ahmidinijads Statement???

Mahatma coat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The USSR Invaded Poland too,yet they became Allies of Britain

Churchil was a Warmonger, The Fuhrer's Germany didnt want a War until at least the mid Forties. Churchill started the War for his own egotistical ends.

What else do people consider Untrue in Ahmidinijads Statement???

Churchill wasn't prime minister until 1940. Do people seriously not know this?


He said "Last year, when the need to form a fact-finding team to undertake a thorough investigation concerning the hidden elements involved in September 11 incident was brought up; an idea also endorsed by all independent governments and nations as well as by the majority in the United States, my country and myself came under pressure and threat by the government of the United States.

Instead of assigning a fact-finding team, they killed the main perpetrator and threw his body into the sea."

wes

No fan of Ahmadinejad, but I fail to see how anything he said was any worse than the garbage spewed by Obama and Netanyahu. If Irish delegates are going to walk out, then I would expect them to do so, when other people engage in similar crap, like Obama and Netanyahu did. Right now, the whole thing looks childish and reenforces Iran's image that it is unfairly singled out (which they are to a certain degree, considering the West ignore Israels nuclear program for example), when other people don't receive the same treatment for similar speeches that are full of crap.

The Waltzing Consumer

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The USSR Invaded Poland too,yet they became Allies of Britain

Churchil was a Warmonger, The Fuhrer's Germany didnt want a War until at least the mid Forties. Churchill started the War for his own egotistical ends.

What else do people consider Untrue in Ahmidinijads Statement???

Churchill was not PM at the start of the war so how did he start it? Did he invade Poland?

German did not want a war until at least the mid forties? Like 1945?

Jonny7

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The USSR Invaded Poland too,yet they became Allies of Britain

Churchil was a Warmonger, The Fuhrer's Germany didnt want a War until at least the mid Forties. Churchill started the War for his own egotistical ends.

What else do people consider Untrue in Ahmidinijads Statement???

Okay, so you have no idea why Russia became allied to Britain, yet you claim that Churchill started the war?

Brain no understand stupidity of statement

Jonny7

wes wrote: »

No fan of Ahmadinejad, but I fail to see how anything he said was any worse than the garbage spewed by Obama and Netanyahu. If Irish delegates are going to walk out, then I would expect them to do so, when other people engage in similar crap, like Obama and Netanyahu did. Right now, the whole thing looks childish and reenforces Iran's image that it is unfairly singled out (which they are to a certain degree, considering the West ignore Israels nuclear program for example), when other people don't receive the same treatment for similar speeches that are full of crap.

I've said the same before, but in fairness give us a speech that's on a par with Ahmandinejads?

The man does not believe in the Holocaust, that 911 was an inside job and that Europe steals Iranian rain using weather technology - I mean for fecksake, he's not exactly doing himself any favors.

wes

Jonny7 wrote: »

I've said the same before, but in fairness give us a speech that's on a par with Ahmandinejads?

I already did. Obama and Netanyahu, both gave factually inaccurate accounts of the Israel/Palestine conflict. There nonsense was clearly on par with Ahmadinejad.

Jonny7 wrote: »

The man does not believe in the Holocaust, that 911 was an inside job and that Europe steals Iranian rain using weather technology - I mean for fecksake, he's not exactly doing himself any favors.

Yes, and Obama exonerating Israel from any responsibility from the Israel/Palestine conflict isn't any better imho. Both of them came up with a lot of nonsense but in the case of Ahmadinejad he offended Westerners, so he is apparently pure evil, where as Netanyahu and Obama just offended Palestinians and Arabs, so that ok then. Deranged crap from the West is a-ok as per usual.

Personally, this is a huge double standard from our delegates imho, and it also reenforces Iran's feeling that there being unfairly treated.

Simply put, if our delegates were happy to sit through Israeli and American nonsense, then they should have done the same with Iran. As it stands, the whole thing is just childish.

Benny_Cake

Mahatma coat wrote: »

The USSR Invaded Poland too,yet they became Allies of Britain

Churchil was a Warmonger, The Fuhrer's Germany didnt want a War until at least the mid Forties. Churchill started the War for his own egotistical ends.

What else do people consider Untrue in Ahmidinijads Statement???

Ok,so even if we were to accept Britain and France started the war - which I don't btw,are you seriously suggeting that it was somehow unfair and unsporting that they didn't wait until 1942 for Hitler to complete rearmament?!Also,do you even know who the British PM was in 1939?

maddragon

It was bad form for Britain and France to declare war on Germany before the Nazis preferred date of 1945. By this time Germany would have had mass production of King Tigers, ME262s, the V3 (nuclear) ICBM and U boats that could do 20 knots under water. The war could have been over in 6 weeks instead of 6 years and saved us the trouble of waiting until the current debt crisis for Germany to finally take over Europe.

Regardless of what's true and what isn't, I think it's bad form for any of them to be storming off.
If they have such problems with the speech including any factual inaccuracies then he should have been challenged on them when he was done speaking.
Instead it makes it look like everything he said was true and the US and Ireland couldn't handle it so stomped off. I also have no idea why the irish delegates would have left.

mike65

Mahatma coat what are you on about?

digme

maddragon wrote: »

It was bad form for Britain and France to declare war on Germany before the Nazis preferred date of 1945. By this time Germany would have had mass production of King Tigers, ME262s, the V3 (nuclear) ICBM and U boats that could do 20 knots under water. The war could have been over in 6 weeks instead of 6 years and saved us the trouble of waiting until the current debt crisis for Germany to finally take over Europe.

How did they get the money for all that stuff when they were forced to pay US $442 billion ?

Nodin

mike65 wrote: »

Mahatma coat what are you on about?

....shhhhh....don't ask him, he might tell us.

Batsy

irishconvert wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/us-france-walk-out-as-iran-delivers-un-speech-234000-Sep2011/



Ok, what did he say that was so bad? What in that speech (transcript link below) is so wrong? Do we always have to be the US lapdog?

http://publicintelligence.net/mahmoud-ahmadinejad-speech-to-un-general-assembly-transcript-september-22-2011/

I can see at least two things which stand out from Imadinnerjacket's speech that were wrong.

1) He said that America caused both World Wars. It actually didn't. Germany did.

2) He said that 9/11 was a "mystery." No, it wasn't. It was caused by Muslime terrorists flying planes into buildings.

BlaasForRafa

wes wrote: »

I already did. Obama and Netanyahu, both gave factually inaccurate accounts of the Israel/Palestine conflict. There nonsense was clearly on par with Ahmadinejad.

Utter rubbish. If you think Obama and Netanyahu's speeches were in even the same timezone of inaccuracy and just plain insanity as Ahmedinijads then your credibility is completely shot.

JustinDee

Ffs, the excuses for Madmanijad's constant and hypocritical rhetoric are pathetic.
Its strange that he (and his apologists here) excludes Russia and China's domestic and foreign policies as well as that of his own country.

Its fine for the usual barstool politikos to laud another populist like Erdogan for walking out of a summit but not Irish representatives.

Benny_Cake

digme wrote: »

How did they get the money for all that stuff when they were forced to pay US $442 billion ?

The reparations payments were suspended in 1931,before the Nazi's came to power.Only one-eight of payments had been made at that stage.This was how they were able to re-arm.

Mahatma coat

I am well aware that Churchill wasnt Prime Minister in 1939 but he was still one of the major players in the Commons and the Media in agitating for War.

my point is, The third Reich and the USSR had a pact for the Invasion of Poland, so surely War should have been declared on Both.

Lots of people here are complaining about Bluster form Ahmidinijhad but no one seems to be refuting the claims he made, hint Shouting 'its not true' does not equal disproving the claim.

as for Ahmidinijhads Holocaust stance, can someone point out where he says he dosent believe it happened, or would this be another case of wilfully misrepresenting his call for an open and honest debate on the topic?

Benny_Cake

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I am well aware that Churchill wasnt Prime Minister in 1939 but he was still one of the major players in the Commons and the Media in agitating for War.

my point is, The third Reich and the USSR had a pact for the Invasion of Poland, so surely War should have been declared on Both.

Lots of people here are complaining about Bluster form Ahmidinijhad but no one seems to be refuting the claims he made, hint Shouting 'its not true' does not equal disproving the claim.

as for Ahmidinijhads Holocaust stance, can someone point out where he says he dosent believe it happened, or would this be another case of wilfully misrepresenting his call for an open and honest debate on the topic?

Ahmadinejad calls Holocaust a "great deception":

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/03/us-iran-election-holocaust-idUSTRE5525W320090603

Ahmadinejad: Holocaust a myth :

http://english.aljazeera.net/archive/2005/12/200849154418141136.html

JustinDee

Surely take all the holocaust 'debate' to the conspiracy theory forum where it suits?

Mahatma coat

So this is the Quote that AlJazera atribute to him, However they have also put the Wipe Israel from the ma quote in, which we know to be a deliberate mistranslation to make him seem more inflamatory,

SO how about this translation, if you take the 3 words that seem the most contentious and replace them with alternative translations the meaning of the statement disent change but the capacity to use it as proof of inflamatory rhetoric does.

They have fabricated Created a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.

"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody deniesQuestions the mythestablished Narative of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."

See, a few words Translated one way or another can make all the diference

The Waltzing Consumer

Mahatma coat wrote: »

So this is the Quote that AlJazera atribute to him, However they have also put the Wipe Israel from the ma quote in, which we know to be a deliberate mistranslation to make him seem more inflamatory,

SO how about this translation, if you take the 3 words that seem the most contentious and replace them with alternative translations the meaning of the statement disent change but the capacity to use it as proof of inflamatory rhetoric does.



See, a few words Translated one way or another can make all the diference

What's your bizarre point?

JustinDee

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

What's your bizarre point?

He's trying to say that Iran's leader is not an antagonistic pot-stirrer but just innocently misunderstood as having an agenda against almost everyone but China and Russia.