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Another thing that hasn't been commented on is that Knox & Sellecito were smoking weed on the night of the murder. Weed doesn't make you homicidal. Quite the opposite0
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All the other housemates & boys in the flat below were able to and by all account they re quite fond of weed as well. So now she says she was at RS the whole eve but he says she wasn't and he never claims to have been asleep. She also keeps referring to the victim as her friend maybe that's just her being American but the flatmate & Meredith s mother say they weren't close.
All the other housemates had solicitors don't forget plus all the foreign ones flew home as soon as it happened.
She said that they're friends, Merediths mother said they weren't that close because they only knew each other for a few weeks, there are loads of texts from Amanda and Meredith to each other, all friendly, all complete with xx at the end.It's a bit unreasonable to say the Italian police and the forensics and the courts are all corrupt.
No it's not unreasonable, 4 million judicial errors and unjust detention since the war in Italy. Have you read about the monster of Florence? all the innocent people they convicted and locked up only to have to release them when the killer kept killing? accusing a journalist who wrote a book about their shoddy police work of being the serial killer himself?
Forensics is a massively important job, how the hell did they make so many mistakes? Seriously, i'd love an answer for why they didn't take any of the normal precautions that they should have, why were they contaminating everything with dirty gloves? The fact that the judge, jury, police etc. all allowed that proves how corrupt the lot of them are.If Amanda had been accused in the US I'm not sure the cops there would have handled her with kid gloves.
Too right they would, no other civilised country in the world would lock you up like that considering all the evidence was bull****....0 -
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Of course the prosecutor had a history and seems like he has a wild imagination. If Amanda had been accused in the US I'm not sure the cops there would have handled her with kid gloves.
More than a bit of an imagination. The prosecutor has been involved in literally planting evidence in previous cases and tried this case while he himself was already under investigation for misconduct.
The stats for false convictions in Italy don't lie. Their justice system is rotten from the guts out.0 -
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I'm amazed at the result of the poll considering the mainly innocent stance being taken in this thread0
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I'm amazed at the result of the poll considering the mainly innocent stance being taken in this thread
I wouldn't be that surprised to be honest with you, there's an awful lot of people who don't really know anything about the case but yet they consider Amanda and Raffaele to be guilty.
If someone knows about the discredited evidence and knows that all that's left is (very little) circumstantial evidence then fair enough if it's their gut instinct to say she's guilty but there's loads more who are convinced she is guilty, ask them why and they can't tell you.
I was on another forum and there was a few people asking well if it wasn't them then who killed Meredith....EH Rudy?? Some people aren't even aware of him at all.0 -
I wouldn't be that surprised to be honest with you, there's an awful lot of people who don't really know anything about the case but yet they consider Amanda and Raffaele to be guilty.
If someone knows about the discredited evidence and knows that all that's left is (very little) circumstantial evidence then fair enough if it's their gut instinct to say she's guilty but there's loads more who are convinced she is guilty, ask them why and they can't tell you.
I was on another forum and there was a few people asking well if it wasn't them then who killed Meredith....EH Rudy?? Some people aren't even aware of him at all.
My twitter feed, on the day of Amanda's release, was full of people going that the Kercher's are back at "square one" and have to find the killer.
I'd like to see a documentary similar to the Rolling Stone interview.
EDIT: No is now winning.0 -
I wouldn't be that surprised to be honest with you, there's an awful lot of people who don't really know anything about the case but yet they consider Amanda and Raffaele to be guilty.
If someone knows about the discredited evidence and knows that all that's left is (very little) circumstantial evidence then fair enough if it's their gut instinct to say she's guilty but there's loads more who are convinced she is guilty, ask them why and they can't tell you.
I just would have thought seeing as the media in large have taken a completely 'she innocent', 'we were wrong' stance' the majority of people would have been swayed the same way.
I think the more you read about the case and the reports it comes to a point where you realize there is no definitive answer to this case. Personally, I'm pretty much in the middle.. I can't say she is innocent in the way people on here and the media are, and definitely can't say she's guilty. I do think she has a lot of questions to answer, and that her actions and behaviour on the morning of the murder are highly suspicious. If I had to make a guess based on the full reports and evidence, I'd say she had something to do with it, and she knows more than she's letting on. But I fully agree that there is not enough evidence to convict her without at least a confession.0 -
I just would have thought seeing as the media in large have taken a completely 'she innocent', 'we were wrong' stance' the majority of people would have been swayed the same way.
I think the more you read about the case and the reports it comes to a point where you realize there is no definitive answer to this case. Personally, I'm pretty much in the middle.. I can't say she is innocent in the way people on here and the media are, and definitely can't say she's guilty. I do think she has a lot of questions to answer, and that her actions and behaviour on the morning of the murder are highly suspicious. If I had to make a guess based on the full reports and evidence, I'd say she had something to do with it, and she knows more than she's letting on. But I fully agree that there is not enough evidence to convict her without at least a confession.
I dont see any of this. Actions which are deemed "suspicious" assume prior guilt, as far as I can see. The first act of the real guilty would be to flee, or get lawyered up ( although lawyering up does not prove guilt, of course).
Instead Amanda went to talk to a corrupt police force willingly, and a crazy prosecutor. Whose first act of business was to assume her boss did it. And try frame him.
It was the decision to talk to the police without a lawyer which has caused most of this. The cartwheels, the acting suspcitiously are all police leaks.
It strikes me that all justice systems need to have all information like this limited during a trial; i.e. sub-judice.0 -
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Thrill, nice post. I completely agree that the forensic evidence is in this case is useless and was conducted appalingly.
Showing this to be this case was basically the main contributor to them getting off.
The quote you have about Giobbi's suspicions I also completely agree with you. They shouldn't be seen as incrimidating.
However, if you look at the report of why the judge convicted her in the first place, you won't find any of these points in there.
That report discusses the forensic evidence in great detail and backs it. The forensic evidence is one of the main reasons she was convicted, according to the judge.0 -
A Primal Nut wrote: »That report discusses the forensic evidence in great detail and backs it. The forensic evidence is one of the main reasons she was convicted, according to the judge.
your point? I never said it wasnt??0 -
jonnyfingers wrote: »Also another amazing leap of logic. The court thought is was unlikely that Meredith would open the door to Rudy Guede and that it was more likely that Amanda Knox opened the door for him. This is without any reason given why Amanda Knox would want to let him or having the opportunity to do so.
This is crazy. Meredith had met Rudy on occassion. If he knocked on the door it's entirely plausable that she would open it. It's also entirely plausable that the door was left unlocked and he just walked in.
But instead the most plausable is that Amanda Knox, who is proven to be elsewhere around 9pm at night, came home to let him in, even though there is no evidence that she was ever asked to do so. Mad stuff.
Yes and to make it worse the reason given that they know Meredith didn't open the door for Guede is because she wouldn't want to have sex with him(there is a big long paragraph explaining why she wouldn't have sex with Guede). I was astonished when I read it. Basically the judge is suggesting a girl wouldn't open the door for her boyfriends' friend unless she wanted to have sex with him. Therefore according to the judge Amanda must have opened the door to let Guede in (presumably because Amanda is a sex-mad maniac). I was astonished when I read this.
He also says that Meredith wouldn't have waited in her room as that would increase the chances of her being raped - this somehow assumes that Meredith knew Guede had bad intentions.Again people see lack of evidence as 100% PROOF of innocence !!!
No; people see the fact that Amanda's DNA was not found at the crime scene (while Guede's was all over it) as 100% PROOF of innocence.0 -
your point? I never said it wasnt??
After talking about dodgy Forensic Evidence and Grobbi; you said this:
"However, if you look at the report of why the judge convicted her in the first place, you won't find any of these points in there".
I assumed "any of these points" refers to forensic evidence and Grobbi. Apologies if you were only referring to Grobbi.0 -
I was, sorry I was unclear.A Primal Nut wrote: »I assumed "any of these points" refers to forensic evidence and Grobbi. Apologies if you were only referring to Grobbi.0 -
I think Rudy killed her, maybe some of his friends helped but there is no evidence against Amanda0
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Just gonna post these points. Disregard the dna evidence, but what do you make of the other points?
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.phpthe DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith’s bra-clasp in her locked bedroom;
the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in *no way* fits that of the other male in this case – Rudy Guede;
the fact that Raffaele’s own father blew their alibi that they were together in Raffaele’s flat at the time of the killing with indisputable telephone records;
the DNA of Meredith Kercher on the knife in Raffaele’s flat which Raffaele himself sought to explain as having been from accidentally “pricking” Meredith’s hand in his written diary despite the fact Meredith had never been to his flat (confirmed by Amanda Knox);
the correlation of where Meredith’s phones were found to the location of Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guedes’s flats;
the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele’s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer;
Amanda’s DNA mixed with Meredith Kercher’s in five different places just feet from Meredith’s body;
the utterly inexplicable computer records the morning after the murder starting at 5.32 am and including multiple file creations and interactions thereafter all during a time that Raffaele and Amanda insist they were asleep until 10.30am;
the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls’ cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am the next morning, again while she said she was in bed;
the accusation of a completely innocent man by Amanda Knox;
the fact that when Amanda Knox rang Meredith’s mobile telephones, ostensibly to check on the “missing” Meredith, she did so for just three seconds - registering the call but making no effort to allow the phone to be answered in the real world
the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university – so far from the wholesome image portrayed;
the fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn’t break down a flimsy door to Meredith’s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren’t martial artists could;
the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito as told on by Amanda Knox;
the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;
the lies of Knox on the witness stand in July 2009 about how their drug intake that night (“one joint”) is totally contradicted by Sollecito’s own contemporaneous diary;
the fact that after a late evening’s questioning, Knox wrote a 2,900 word email home which painstakingly details what she said happened that evening and the morning after that looks *highly* like someone committing to memory, at 3.30 in the morning, an extensive alibi;
the fact that both Amanda and Raffaele both said they would give up smoking dope for life in their prison diaries despite having apparently nothing to regret;
the fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn’t celebrate the “true” perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn’t know would “make up strange things” about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people;
the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was *on top* of apparently disturbed clothes;
that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;
the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime;
the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito’s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede’s corroborated presence near the girl’s flat earlier in the evening;
the fact that Amanda Knox’s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;
the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged; Knox’s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl’s cottage where she ended up physically shaking and hitting her head.0 -
a lot of the above is bs, example: he said "she may have left apt while i was asleep"
not
"Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question"
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I dont see any of this. Actions which are deemed "suspicious" assume prior guilt, as far as I can see. The first act of the real guilty would be to flee, or get lawyered up ( although lawyering up does not prove guilt, of course).
Exactly, she would have been gone, her mother wanted her to go straight back to Seattle, Amanda's grandmother lives in Germany, Amanda could have travelled to Germany in a few hours, why would she have stayed in Italy if she'd done it? All of Merediths British friends went straight back to Britain, they all lawyered up.Instead Amanda went to talk to a corrupt police force willingly, and a crazy prosecutor. Whose first act of business was to assume her boss did it. And try frame him.
That's another thing people don't seem to realise, the police were the ones suggesting to Amanda that it had been Patrick first, they already believed it was him and they wanted to take advantage of a 20 year old girl so that she would back up their story. Some people are under the impression that the police didn't even consider it could have been Patrick Lumumba until Amanda said it....bull****....
If Amanda had a history of violence or rape then I would understand why people might believe it to to be true.
But what about the Italian prosecuters and police, they have a history of this sort of thing, of planting evidence, corruption, false imprisonments and they can't even follow the first rule of forensics.It was the decision to talk to the police without a lawyer which has caused most of this. The cartwheels, the acting suspcitiously are all police leaks.
It strikes me that all justice systems need to have all information like this limited during a trial; i.e. sub-judice.
The prosecuters were sitting with the journalists during the trial, they were pictured laughing in the courtroom together, leak after leak after leak about Amanda kept appearing in the paper, false story after false story...
Imagine if that were in Ireland, you'd have the state prosecuter sitting with the journalists from the News of the world and all these fabricated stories based on exaggerations from the police appearing every day, not only that but then the jury are ALLOWED to read and discuss these?? Come on.
NOTW wouldn't have had to tap peoples phones in Italy because the police will provide you with all the juicy gossip and scandal that you want.0 -
the DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith’s bra-clasp in her locked bedroom;Just gonna post these points. Disregard the dna evidence, but what do you make of the other points?
Rejected on appeal
the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in *no way* fits that of the other male in this case – Rudy Guede;
Rejected on Appeal. Same footprint used to convict Guede in his triall.
the fact that Raffaele’s own father blew their alibi that they were together in Raffaele’s flat at the time of the killing with indisputable telephone records;
Never heard this one, source?
the DNA of Meredith Kercher on the knife in Raffaele’s flat which Raffaele himself sought to explain as having been from accidentally “pricking” Meredith’s hand in his written diary despite the fact Meredith had never been to his flat (confirmed by Amanda Knox);
Rejected on appeal
the correlation of where Meredith’s phones were found to the location of Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guedes’s flats;
Here's a thought, presumably Guede walked that way?
the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele’s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer;
The time of the murder was unconfirmed. People dont always use their comuters all night.
Amanda’s DNA mixed with Meredith Kercher’s in five different places just feet from Meredith’s body;
rejected on appeal.
the utterly inexplicable computer records the morning after the murder starting at 5.32 am and including multiple file creations and interactions thereafter all during a time that Raffaele and Amanda insist they were asleep until 10.30am;
I doubt this even happened, but if so it's probably some automatic process.
the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls’ cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am the next morning, again while she said she was in bed;
I believe they have been discredited. Night time eye-witness accounts by strangers are spurious.
the accusation of a completely innocent man by Amanda Knox;
She was bullied by the same police force which then went after her, and the confession ( which she confessed to being there herself) was deemed inadmissable by the Supreme court.
the fact that when Amanda Knox rang Meredith’s mobile telephones, ostensibly to check on the “missing” Meredith, she did so for just three seconds - registering the call but making no effort to allow the phone to be answered in the real world
Lol.
the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university – so far from the wholesome image portrayed;
Lol. Tabloid crap.
the fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn’t break down a flimsy door to Meredith’s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren’t martial artists could;
He seems pretty weak to me. But, he probably wanted to wait for the police.
the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito as told on by Amanda Knox;
lol. Burn The Dope head, he must be a murder!
the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;
Um, how do we know what angle she came in at?.
the lies of Knox on the witness stand in July 2009 about how their drug intake that night (“one joint”) is totally contradicted by Sollecito’s own contemporaneous diary;
lol
the fact that after a late evening’s questioning, Knox wrote a 2,900 word email home which painstakingly details what she said happened that evening and the morning after that looks *highly* like someone committing to memory, at 3.30 in the morning, an extensive alibi;
It looks like someone writing an email to me.
the fact that both Amanda and Raffaele both said they would give up smoking dope for life in their prison diaries despite having apparently nothing to regret;
JESUS WEPT!!@!!!
the fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn’t celebrate the “true” perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn’t know would “make up strange things” about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people;
He probably would be suspicious of the police fingering him, quite rightly. Better evidence would be if he wrote: "I hope "Rudy doesn;t mention I was there"
the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was *on top* of apparently disturbed clothes;
The police are currupt as f*ck. This was almost certainly a break-in.
that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;
Of course he did. He gave a confused statement saying, merely, that he slept and might not have known had she left. Since the police subsequently charged him with being there, and jailed him for murder, this does not even match their theory, or yours
the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime;
Nothing guilty about "bizarre". Quite the opposite. The guilty act normal
the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito’s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede’s corroborated presence near the girl’s flat earlier in the evening;
The cellphone records show nothing like that.
the fact that Amanda Knox’s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;
She probably loaned the table lamp. Otherwise where was the evidence of Amanda walking about in blood, or why not clean up the blood. lol
the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged; Knox’s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl’s cottage where she ended up physically
shaking and hitting her head.
Oh FFS. She reacted because it was clear she was being framed. Good job they got the DNA wrong.
Conspiracy theorsts always have to add tiny bits of evidence to tiny bits of evidence to tiny bits of evidence - often contradictory - generally assuming the weight of evidence of "strangness", or odd events, prove their version of events. Quite the opposite.
You see, in the Fred West case ( for instance) there is no need to do this; no need to say he acted strangely when he was arrested, that his phone records were a bit weird, that he called someone for 3 minutes, that his email protesting his innocence cold be an attempt at an alibi. All the evidence you need is that there were bodies in the garden. One big bit of real evidence trumps the tens of small unrelated and contradictory conspiratorial nonsense.
These attempts of smearing shouldn't work, since none of them exceeds reasonable doubt ( in most cases, quite the opposite). You dont sum them all up and get anything, if there was one clear form of evidence that there was a sex-filled orgy here - like everybodys fingerprints and blood in the actual room- then we wouldnt need the other crap about hoe much dope someone smoked and lied about it in their diary maybe, as if that proved anything.
Needing the other crap - none of which proves anything - actually proves innocence to me.0 -
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the DNA of Raffaele Sollecito on Meredith’s bra-clasp in her locked bedroom;
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Contamination? I would expect more than just one bra strap.
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/footprints-01.html disputes this and it seems the prosecution admitted they couldn't prove it was made in blood.the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in *no way* fits that of the other male in this case – Rudy Guede;the fact that Raffaele’s own father blew their alibi that they were together in Raffaele’s flat at the time of the killing with indisputable telephone records;
Well its not actually what happened. All it did was confirm that they had their dinner earlier than Amanda said they did. I guess Amanda didn't remember but was pressured into giving a time - I'm sure many of us would not be able to say what time we had dinner at.the DNA of Meredith Kercher on the knife in Raffaele’s flat which Raffaele himself sought to explain as having been from accidentally “pricking” Meredith’s hand in his written diary despite the fact Meredith had never been to his flat (confirmed by Amanda Knox);
I would say this was a lie. The police told him that the DNA had been found and shocked and afraid, and pressured by the police to explain it, Raffaele came up with an excuse - he thought he had to say something. This was a trick the police used again and again - make an allegation with little or bad evidence and force the suspects to explain it (so they ended up lying themselves). This was how the police got so much circumstancial evidence and tried to show the judge that the suspects were contradicting themselves. I would expect Raffaele to behave the same way regardless of whether he was guilty or not. Someone more experienced would have known to keep their mouth shut. They also told Amanda she had Aids, that Raffaele said she left the house, etc; it was a tactic to get Amanda to change her story. Her and Raffaele's original accounts made directly in the aftermath of the murder show little contradiction with evidence. It was only when the police made false statements, that the two suspects began changing their stories to fit with this - they felt they had to explain it somehow.
Not sure what's meant by correlation in this context.the correlation of where Meredith’s phones were found to the location of Raffaele Sollecito and Rudy Guedes’s flats;the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele’s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer;
Nobody knows the time of the murder so again that statement is inaccurate. He said they used the computer until a certain time and then went to sleep. I doubt he remembered the exact time (same as Amanda regarding Dinner).Amanda’s DNA mixed with Meredith Kercher’s in five different places just feet from Meredith’s body;
I haven't heard about this. What was her DNA found in?
Can't really explain this but the hard drives were destroyed which doesn't help. And leads me to be suspicious about that information.the utterly inexplicable computer records the morning after the murder starting at 5.32 am and including multiple file creations and interactions thereafter all during a time that Raffaele and Amanda insist they were asleep until 10.30am;the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls’ cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am the next morning, again while she said she was in bed;
If the prosecutors were willing to bribe Rudy Guede (with a reduced sentence) to testify I wouldn't put it past them to do the same with a homeless guy.the accusation of a completely innocent man by Amanda Knox;
Again the police made the accusation and pressured Amanda to sign it.the fact that when Amanda Knox rang Meredith’s mobile telephones, ostensibly to check on the “missing” Meredith, she did so for just three seconds - registering the call but making no effort to allow the phone to be answered in the real world
Don't have an explanation for this - I'd be surprised if the Telecom operator can tell how long the phone rang for. And even if they did, it's hardly incriminating.the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university – so far from the wholesome image portrayed;
Seems similiar to the "not true" stories about Amandathe fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn’t break down a flimsy door to Meredith’s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren’t martial artists could;
Probably decided it would be better to wait for the police. I imagine the police would have more experienced at breaking doors down.the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito as told on by Amanda Knox;
Did he do anything other than hash? Not sure why it matters anyhow.
No she didn't.the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;
They remember a small issue in different ways. Happens all the time.the lies of Knox on the witness stand in July 2009 about how their drug intake that night (“one joint”) is totally contradicted by Sollecito’s own contemporaneous diary;
How does this suggest guilt?the fact that after a late evening’s questioning, Knox wrote a 2,900 word email home which painstakingly details what she said happened that evening and the morning after that looks *highly* like someone committing to memory, at 3.30 in the morning, an extensive alibi;
Wtf?? What has this got to do with anything. Whoever wrote this has an unhealthy obsession with their hash-smoking. Seems to be more motivated by their anti-drugs stance than anything else.the fact that both Amanda and Raffaele both said they would give up smoking dope for life in their prison diaries despite having apparently nothing to regret;
Wasn't he already a suspect at this point? Is this the most incriminating thing in his diary?:Dthe fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn’t celebrate the “true” perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn’t know would “make up strange things” about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people;
A staged break-in doesn't implicate Knox or Sollecito. Its possible Kercher let Guede into the house voluntarily.the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was *on top* of apparently disturbed clothes;
He does agree that she stayed there all night; other than the unlikely possibility that Knox got out of bed while he was asleep.that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;
Its not as bizarre as the police made it seem.the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime;
Cellpone records show no such thing. They were turned off so there are no records at that time.the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito’s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede’s corroborated presence near the girl’s flat earlier in the evening;
If its true, no reason to believe it wasnt Guede.the fact that Amanda Knox’s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged; Knox’s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl’s cottage where she ended up physically shaking and hitting her head.
I guess she was shocked. Her story changed because the police pressured her to explain things which have shown to be not true.
I know it seems like "there is an explanation for everything" and there are "too many co-incidences" but all of this can be summarised as poor police work by a force using all the tricks in the book to incriminate Knox and Sollecito; and the two suspects weren't smart enough to realise.0 -
Ok so leaving out the DNA which has been discredited...........
the almost-entire naked footprint of Raffaele on a bathmat that in *no way* fits that of the other male in this case – Rudy Guede;
The footprint couldn't have belonged to Raffaele either according to independent experts.
the computer records which show that no-one was at Raffaele’s computer during the time of the murder despite him claiming he was using that computer
The police computer experts destroyed the hard drives and no independent analysis could be done.
the separate witnesses who testified on oath that Amanda and Raffaele were at the square 40 metres from the girls’ cottage on the evening of the murder and the fact that Amanda was seen at a convenience store at 7.45am the next morning, again while she said she was in bed;
The first witness was a homeless heroin addict and his account was completely wrong, he mentioned people wearing masks and waiting for buses, halloween was the night before and there were no buses on the night in question.
The shopkeeper didn't even mention it to the police when he was questioned, it was only months later that this supposedly came out, he also said that he only saw her from the side but later mentioned her bright blue eyes, how could you see them from the side?
This witness said Amanda bought bleach, guess what no bleach was put through the till!!
the accusation of a completely innocent man by Amanda Knox;
Accusing an innocent man, that one has already been explained.
the knife-fetish of Raffaele Sollecito and his formal disciplinary punishment for watching animal porn at his university – so far from the wholesome image portrayed;
the fact that claimed multi-year kick-boxer Raffaele apparently couldn’t break down a flimsy door to Meredith’s room when he and Amanda were at the flat the morning after the murder but the first people in the flat with the police who weren’t martial artists could;
the extensive hard drug use of Sollecito as told on by Amanda Knox;
Raffaele said he collected knives from when he was a little boy, I never read too much into that, maybe it's common enough in Italy, who knows?
Animal porn, didn't know about that one but pretty much everyone I know has had a good laugh at animal farm at one stage or another, it's not like he had stacks and stacks of dvds of it or anything.
Which drugs was he supposed to be a hard user of?
the fact that Amanda knew details of the body and the wounds despite not being in line of sight of the body when it was discovered;
Amanda did not know details of the injuries that she couldn't have known, there is no proof of that.
the fact that when Rudy Guede was arrested, Raffaele Sollecito didn’t celebrate the “true” perpetrator being arrested (which surely would have seen him released) but worried in his diary that a man whom he said he didn’t know would “make up strange things” about him despite him just being one person in a city of over 160,000 people;
What a deliberately misleading question, so he was 1 person in a city of 160,000, how is that relevant?
He was also 1 person out of a total of 2 other people who had been arrested for it. If rudy was going to blame anyone would he pick a randomer or the man already in jail?? Of course he'd blame Amanda and Raffaele. Of course you'd worry about that.
the fact that both an occupant of the cottage and the police instantly recognised the cottage had not been burgled but had been the subject of a staged break-in where glass was *on top* of apparently disturbed clothes;
Rudy had previously broken into an office through a window 15 feet off the ground, this window was 13 so that's a question for Rudy!
that Knox and Sollecito both suggested each other might have committed the crime and Sollecito TO THIS DATE does not agree Knox stayed in his flat all the night in question;
The police asked them deliberately leading questions, they were not sure why they were in jail, they'd been together a week, would you be completely 100% sure the other person didn't do anything wrong if you'd only been with them for a week? Plus they were asleep so they couldn't have possibly known if the other was there or not.
the bizarre behaviour of both of them for days after the crime
That's a matter of opinion and speculation, for example the thing about the cartwheels, Amandas mother said that Amanda was talking to the police and they asked her to show them a cartwheel. The police leaked it to make it look like she was a cold sadistic killer.
Different people react to shock in different ways.
the fact that cellphone records show Knox did not stay in Sollecito’s flat but had left the flat at a time which is completely coincidental with Guede’s corroborated presence near the girl’s flat earlier in the evening
Amandas phone was switched off.
the fact that Amanda Knox’s table lamp was found in the locked room of Meredith Kercher in a position that suggested it had been used to examine for fine details of the murder scene in a clean up;
Anyone could have put that there.
the unbelievable series of changing stories made up by the defendants after their versions became challenged;
The police wanted them to back up their theory, unfortunately they illegaly obtained Amanda backing them up, it just stresses the importance of having a lawyer.
Knox’s inexplicable reaction to being shown the knife drawer at the girl’s cottage where she ended up physically shaking and hitting her head.
Makes no sense and I doubt it's accuracy, according to the prosecuters the knife was at Raffaeles house. Sounds like a bull**** story to me0 -
What was this Rolling Stone intervew if you don't mind me asking??.My twitter feed, on the day of Amanda's release, was full of people going that the Kercher's are back at "square one" and have to find the killer.
I'd like to see a documentary similar to the Rolling Stone interview.
EDIT: No is now winning.0 -
fran oconnor wrote: »What was this Rolling Stone intervew if you don't mind me asking??.
I presume Yahew was talking about this article.........http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-201106270 -
Cheers thanks for that.I presume Yahew was talking about this article.........http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/the-neverending-nightmare-of-amanda-knox-201106270 -
Just gonna post these points. Disregard the dna evidence, but what do you make of the other points?
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php
The truejustice.org site a scary site set up by a very scary individual. There are not many people who post there and only a few regulars. Some of the most vile sex obsessed hateful material on this case has been posted there. They are 100% convinced of the Magnini sex crazed orgy fantasy which is what truly interests them.
The Massei report is in essense a conspiracy theory foisted upon a jury who believed it. truejustice and it's sister site Perugia Murder File layers their own embellished conspircy theory on top. They both have now gone from 100% defending the Italian justice system to 100% ridiculing it.
If you want to read a rational and logical point by point refutation of the Massei report, go to beforeyoutakethatpill.com0 -
Just gonna post these points. Disregard the dna evidence, but what do you make of the other points?
http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php
The truejustice.org site a scary site set up by a very scary individual. There are not many people who post there and only a few regulars. Some of the most vile sex obsessed hateful material on this case has been posted there. They are 100% convinced of the Magnini sex crazed orgy fantasy which is what truly interests them.
The Massei report is in essense a conspiracy theory foisted upon a jury who believed it. truejustice and it's sister site Perugia Murder File layers their own embellished conspircy theory on top. They both have now gone from 100% defending the Italian justice system to 100% ridiculing it.
If you want to read a rational and logical point by point refutation of the Massei report, go to beforeyoutakethatpill.com
I did as you suggested and now I think I've changed my mind and I'm more inclined to agree with you, I think of myself when I was twenty and I would never do some of the things I did then now maybe all she s guilty of is being a very silly girl who was framed.0 -
Could have been the guy from the Ivory Coast? but then again, young foxy knoxy may have another side to her? I think the police should have put foxy in a room with Sollecito (+ a hidden tape recorder), that may have produced some interesting chat, and that may have led to the defining evidence?0
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Could have been the guy from the Ivory Coast? but then again, young foxy knoxy may have another side to her? I think the police should have put foxy in a room with Sollecito (+ a hidden tape recorder), that may have produced some interesting chat, and that may have led to the defining evidence?
Could have been?? He has a history of breaking and entering (by throwing rocks though windows), his footprints, fingerprints and DNA were all over the bedroom where Meredith was murdered, DNA evidence of a sexual assault by him, he fled the country and ws arrested in Germany..
As to your second point, Knox and Sallicodo's phones were tapped for the 4 days before they were arrested, not one incriminating peep from either of them to each other or to anyone.0 -
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but then again, young foxy knoxy may have another side to her?
I won't comment on your other 2 points because nagirrac has already answered them but what you've mentioned above is what the prosecuters over there tried (and managed) to convince people of during the trial......there wasn't a scrap of evidence to suggest she had 'another side to her'0
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