euro 2012 , do we have a chance

bpb101

where will we come in our group

Helix

4th

Paully D

Spain for me, Germany will be there of thereabouts too.

I know, I know.

LostBoy101

Depends on who get really :P

bpb101

where will we come in the group

bpb101

i say 1st
reason ,
if we beet out next 2 and russa lose to Slovakia we go top

LostBoy101

Thought you meant if we get to the Euro 12 finals :P anyways 50/50 choice but my gut tells me 1st place.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

I would genuinely laugh if we topped this group. We' have been rank most of the time, the team Trap picks is one of the worst Irish teams I've ever seen, he gets it so wrong tactically in home games, I have so many criticisms of him, but hey, the bottom line is he would have achieved the mission he is paid to achieve - qualification! That also means vindication.

Crazy Horse 6

Trap is doing an amazing job with the utter rubbish we have available for us. He deserves a huge pay rise if he get's us to the Euro's imo.

LostBoy101

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Trap is doing an amazing job with the utter rubbish we have available for us. He deserves a huge pay rise if he get's us to the Euro's imo.

I'm sure he'll get plenty of latina women supplied to him with the pay rise

adamski8

no according to this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056380868

noodler

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Trap is doing an amazing job with the utter rubbish we have available for us. He deserves a huge pay rise if he get's us to the Euro's imo.

Hmmm...not really. Doing the same job his predecessors did (bar Stan).

We have been incredibly lucky and team selections have not helped our cause.

AnamGlas

If we come 2nd, we get the team who come 1st in the next group, ya?

I'll say 2nd anyway.

x in the city

if we finish second sepp will ensure we wont qualify...

it would be a miracle if we finish first, our squad is crap as someone pointed out..

watching Ireland play nowadays is one of the most painful things a grown man can put up with over 90 minutes.

PARKHEAD67

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Trap is doing an amazing job with the utter rubbish we have available for us. He deserves a huge pay rise if he get's us to the Euro's imo.

Trap plays utter rubbish over quality players we have at our disposal(We have much better players not getting in teams).Theres a big difference.Hes got damn lucky so far.Given and Dunne are keeping him in a job.This farcical image of him being some kind of tactical genius is nothing but rubbish of the highest order.A huge pay rise???? FFS get real. This man is getting SERIOUSLY overpaid as it is.Jesus fcuckin wept.Big time.What would you give him? 2 mil a year? Thats 38,461euros a WEEK. Hes worth that? Is he? No wonder the countrys a mess.

BERBA

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Trap plays utter rubbish over quality players we have at our disposal(We have much better players not getting in teams).Theres a big difference.Hes got damn lucky so far.Given and Dunne are keeping him in a job.This farcical image of him being some kind of tactical genius is nothing but rubbish of the highest order.A huge pay rise???? FFS get real. This man is getting SERIOUSLY overpaid as it is.Jesus fcuckin wept.Big time.What would you give him? 2 mil a year? Thats 38,461euros a WEEK. Hes worth that? Is he? No wonder the countrys a mess.

in all seriousness parkhead , he's doing a better job than neil lennon as a comparison. How he is still in a job i'll never know.

PARKHEAD67

BERBA wrote: »

in all seriousness parkhead , he's doing a better job than neil lennon as a comparison. How he is still in a job i'll never know.

You being smart boy?;).We'll give NL till the end of the season.Then we'll see.Dont count your chickens etc,etc.We could win the quadruple yet(SPL,League Cup,Scottish Cup + Europa League(:o).)Lets not hound him out yet.

BERBA

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

You being smart boy?;).We'll give NL till the end of the season.Then we'll see.Dont count your chickens etc,etc.We could win the quadruple yet(SPL,League Cup,Scottish Cup + Europa League(:o).)Lets not hound him out yet.

wouldnt be hard , thats my point seeing as he has a 50-50 chance of winning the SPL

PARKHEAD67

BERBA wrote: »

wouldnt be hard , thats my point seeing as he has a 50-50 chance of winning the SPL

True. Hes a 50-50 chance of retaining his job.Win the league-stay.Lose to rangers-gone. I admit the SPL is crap but if you put Mourinhio in charge at Celtic with the funds available to NL itd still be 50-50 whether hed win the league or not.Its all about money. And in Scotland theres eff all money.And its getting less and less each year.

Paully D

BERBA wrote: »

wouldnt be hard , thats my point seeing as he has a 50-50 chance of winning the SPL

Unless you're Alex McLeish and end up 3rd in a two horse race.

PARKHEAD67

Paully D wrote: »

Unless you're Alex McLeish and end up 3rd in a two horse race.

Nice one. Nearly forgot about the old hearts finishing 2nd:D.Mcleish is some bluffer.Got Birmingham relegated, and straight into a job at their biggest rivals Villa. What a loyal man. He'll bring Villa down with him too.What idiot at Villa decided that he was the man to bring the glory days back?? Jesus wept.

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Would anyone want Trap to stay if Armenia turn us over, out of curiosity?

Imagine the media hype if If Slovakia do manage to beat Russia! The paper and radio coverage would just be mad in the build up. A huge, huge night at the Aviva, knowing it's win or probably bust. Not a snowball's chance in hell Russia will slip up against Andorra in Moscow, would be one of the biggest shocks of all time (dunno why I am even bothered writing this sentence actually :pac:). Slovakia could very much slip up away to Macedonia, but with the prize of a play-off and possible automatic qualification at stake, I would wager they would grind out a win.

Mr Alan

Is there any better managers than Trap who would want to take the Ireland job?

Hank_Jones

It's always about the "if" factor with our team.

We'll be second at best, that's being realistic.

With the way our team has played at times, we probably don't even deserve second.

Also, if my auntie had balls, she would be my uncle.

Hank_Jones

Mr Alan wrote: »

Is there any better managers than Trap who would want to take the Ireland job?

Chris Hughton maybe, even Kerr.

At least someone who would have us play football.
Last ditch defending is not a tactic.

BERBA

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Chris Hughton maybe, even Kerr.

i'd take Bobby over Brian all day long;)

Mr Alan

I said 'better managers than Trap', neither of that pair are fit to carry his bags in the managerial stakes. And I'm not even exaggerating for dramatic effect. He is literally a multiple of thousands better than they are.

x in the city

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Nice one. Nearly forgot about the old hearts finishing 2nd:D.Mcleish is some bluffer.Got Birmingham relegated, and straight into a job at their biggest rivals Villa. What a loyal man. He'll bring Villa down with him too.What idiot at Villa decided that he was the man to bring the glory days back?? Jesus wept.

haha, yeah.

mcleish is one of the most boring managers ever,id rather have the queen mother manage everton than him.

x in the city

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Chris Hughton maybe, even Kerr.

At least someone who would have us play football.
Last ditch defending is not a tactic.

stHeve mclaren once he is sacked.

BERBA

Mr Alan wrote: »

I said 'better managers than Trap', neither of that pair are fit to carry his bags in the managerial stakes. And I'm not even exaggerating for dramatic effect. He is literally a multiple of thousands better than they are.

MON maybe

Hank_Jones

Mr Alan wrote: »

I said 'better managers than Trap', neither of that pair are fit to carry his bags in the managerial stakes. And I'm not even exaggerating for dramatic effect. He is literally a multiple of thousands better than they are.

Maybe 20 years ago he was (probably an exaggeration, he was successful 10 years ago).

At this stage he is a senile old man who still can't speak to his players one to one, and that's after 3 and a half years.

He's the Italian Bobby Robson.

I might change my tune if he shows us some new tactics. :pac:

ArmaniJeanss

x in the city wrote: »

if we finish second sepp will ensure we wont qualify...

WTF has Sepp got to do with the UEFA European Championships?

Hank_Jones

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

WTF has Sepp got to do with the UEFA European Championships?

They seeded the last WC playoffs.

That was of course after they realised a fair few of the larger footballing nations would be in said playoffs.

It could be said that money became a factor and although there was no mention of seeding before or until towards the end of that qualifying campaign, that Sepp Blatter is a tool.

ArmaniJeanss

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

WTF has Sepp got to do with the UEFA European Championships?

Hank_Jones wrote: »

They seeded the last WC playoffs.

That was of course after they realised a fair few of the larger footballing nations would be in said playoffs.

It could be said that money became a factor and although there was no mention of seeding before or until towards the end of that qualifying campaign, that Sepp Blatter is a tool.

That you seem to think that Euro 2012 is a FIFA championship that Sepp Blatter has some input into is staggering.

x in the city

nothing would surprise me with blatter..., be it FIFA or otherwise,

kenco

Seeding applies for the playoffs here, decision made at the very start (so no messing around as for the last ones)

We will either top the group or come second. Quite possible we will only need a point from the last game to get the playoff spot. If we have to win it to top the group then I think its possible. The players will be up for it and its a home game.

Trapp despite his tactics, player selection and general negativity is likely to have got us to 2 playoffs min so far. You cant argue with that and in fairness what more did we really suspect? He was never known for playing stylish football but was known for getting results (albeit 1-0, etc)

Gut feeling says play off but topping the group would not surprise me at all. I personally would love to see Dunne, Given, O'Shea, etc getting another or a first go at a major championship

LostBoy101

kenco wrote: »

Seeding applies for the playoffs here, decision made at the very start (so no messing around as for the last ones)

We will either top the group or come second. Quite possible we will only need a point from the last game to get the playoff spot. If we have to win it to top the group then I think its possible. The players will be up for it and its a home game.

Trapp despite his tactics, player selection and general negativity is likely to have got us to 2 playoffs min so far. You cant argue with that and in fairness what more did we really suspect? He was never known for playing stylish football but was known for getting results (albeit 1-0, etc)

Gut feeling says play off but topping the group would not surprise me at all. I personally would love to see Dunne, Given, O'Shea, etc getting another or a first go at a major championship

Would be a great experience for the old players to finally get another go at the European Chamopionship finals.

briany

Even if Trapattoni could only bring Ireland to another playoff and fail, that would still equal what Mick McCarthy could do with the team in the same number of campaigns but back when the team had (if you believe what's being said) a much better squad of players and not playing a negative brand of football.

And also, not to be a naysayer because it was fantastic for the country and for me, but it was somewhat fortunate that Ireland qualified in 2002. Yes, there was the fantastic win against the Dutch in Dublin but also luck with the intercontinental playoff thing, which I have not seen the like of since presumably due to UEFA's WC allocation among other things, which saw us beat out a pretty average Iranian side.

bpb101

when is the next match (date)

Deeper Blue

bpb101 wrote: »

when is the next match (date)

Friday week, October 7th

Boskowski

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

Trap plays utter rubbish over quality players we have at our disposal(We have much better players not getting in teams).Theres a big difference.Hes got damn lucky so far.Given and Dunne are keeping him in a job.This farcical image of him being some kind of tactical genius is nothing but rubbish of the highest order.A huge pay rise???? FFS get real. This man is getting SERIOUSLY overpaid as it is.Jesus fcuckin wept.Big time.What would you give him? 2 mil a year? Thats 38,461euros a WEEK. Hes worth that? Is he? No wonder the countrys a mess.

Ok, fair enough about the pay rise thing, that's just silly.
But you're taking the proverbial yourself. Who are those quality players at our disposal you're on about? And before you start typing let me remind this is an international competition we're talking about, so maybe you might think about the word 'quality' again.

bpb101

SuperEagle wrote: »

Friday week, October 7th

what time do you know (KO)

Brendan97

I think Rory Delap should get a look in (or is he internationally retired?) as he consistently starts for stoke and his long throw-ins would give a new dimension to our game.

Deeper Blue

bpb101 wrote: »

what time do you know (KO)

I'm fairly sure it's 8:30 irish time.

bpb101

is it amrmia or andora we play on friday ,
and what is the fixtures

briany

Andorra V Ireland - A should win, must win.

Slovakia V Russia - A must win but probably won't for Slovakia

Armenia v Macedonia - Could be a tough call but I expect the Armenians to pull through.

LostBoy101

bpb101 wrote: »

is it amrmia or andora we play on friday ,
and what is the fixtures

7th October Armenia vs FYR Macedonia 4.00 pm

7th October Slovakia vs Russia 7.15 pm

7th October Andorra vs Ireland 8.30 pm

bpb101

LostBoy101 wrote: »

7th October Armenia vs FYR Macedonia 4.00 pm

7th October Slovakia vs Russia 7.15 pm

7th October Andorra vs Ireland 8.30 pm

would love to see all 3
but hopefully see the russia and ire matches ,
hope armenia lose , to put them off form , howerver if we cant get through id love to see armenia get through

bpb101

as time draws near, anybody any other thoughts ,
and what time is KO tomorrow

Father Damo

Brendan97 wrote: »

I think Rory Delap should get a look in (or is he internationally retired?) as he consistently starts for stoke and his long throw-ins would give a new dimension to our game.

He previously stated his availability. Trap however doesnt see him as part of his intricate plan to bore opposition into making errors when they nod off.

bpb101

second it seams , hope we beet Armenia now , anybody think we wont...