Will you wear a high-viz if it is mandated by law?

phoenix0250

Seems like a silly question but, with the RSA's ignorant ambition to make the high-viz mandatory based on no scientific evidence what-so-ever; are you going to wear one if it becomes law and you have not previously?
I for one, am not. Do not get me wrong, i am no rebel and/or anarchist. i just blatantly refuse to be forced to wear one despite this silly law and will gladly accept the penalties.

Question is; Am I the only one?

gigawatt

I dont mind the viz vest proposal, I probably would wear one if it was a law that was enforced, but I dont agree with the stipulation about bikes over 6 years old being banned in urban areas, its ridiculous.

dev100

gigawatt wrote: »

I dont mind the viz vest proposal, I probably would wear one if it was a law that was enforced, but I dont agree with the stipulation about bikes over 6 years old being banned in urban areas, its ridiculous.

What happens if you wear a high vis vest and have a back pack as most bikers do? Whats this 6 year old bikes not allowed in urban areas? Howd the hell would that be enforced?

allthedoyles

Its a well-known fact that many motorists are blind to bikes , and they look out for cars coming and cannot see the motorbikes .

Many lives have been lost because of this .

Of course you can refuse to wear hi-vis , but if it is the law , then you may have to be held accountable .

In my opinion , if it just saves one extra life on the roads , it will be worthwhile implementing .

The message should not have to be repeated :

• be safe - be seen

numbnutz

No i dont think you will be the only one just read some of the motorcycle forums on the matter.I wear one everyday on the motorbike and to be honest it makes sod all difference people still ignore you.The only reason I wear one is if I happen to have an accident,then its one thing I have in my favour,feck all use if I'm unconsious or dead I know.As someone pointed out we have become immune to hi-viz wearers seeing as builders,guards....etc are wearing them everywhere.If cars are hi-viz colours will it reduce the amount of car accidents?....NO!!Driver education is the only way to reduce accidents not the introduction of health and safety hi-viz nannyism.
Right I'm off to shout and wave my fist at motorists,cyclists and pedestrians that cut me off and pull out in front of me!!:D

dev100

numbnutz wrote: »

No i dont think you will be the only one just read some of the motorcycle forums on the matter.I wear one everyday on the motorbike and to be honest it makes sod all difference people still ignore you.The only reason I wear one is if I happen to have an accident,then its one thing I have in my favour,feck all use if I'm unconsious or dead I know.As someone pointed out we have become immune to hi-viz wearers seeing as builders,guards....etc are wearing them everywhere.If cars are hi-viz colours will it reduce the amount of car accidents?....NO!!Driver education is the only way to reduce accidents not the introduction of health and safety hi-viz nannyism.
Right I'm off to shout and wave my fist at motorists,cyclists and pedestrians that cut me off and pull out in front of me!!:D

Make sure you have your lights on

Pataman

Yep, I wear mine everyday also. Anything that helps to be seen.

numbnutz

dev100 wrote: »

Make sure you have your lights on

have no choice they wont turn off by design!!:D

3D

I wont be wearing one either - was in an accident wearing one (guy didn't see me) so will rather take into account that drivers don't see me and ride appropriately rather than wear a vest think yeah they cant help but see me and they get hit.

Andromeda_111

My leathers are gorgeous so I'm not wearing a hi viz over them :pac:

Tigger

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its a well-known fact that many motorists are blind to bikes , and they look out for cars coming and cannot see the motorbikes .

Many lives have been lost because of this .

Of course you can refuse to wear hi-vis , but if it is the law , then you may have to be held accountable .

In my opinion , if it just saves one extra life on the roads , it will be worthwhile implementing .

The message should not have to be repeated :

• be safe - be seen

christ! can we ban *censored* from comming in here with their if it saves one live bull

i think all cars should have to slow to 30kmph if a bike or cyclist is withing 50 m of them
this will undoutably save many lives and is therefore a good idea

EvilMonkey

I will if all cyclists, pedestrians etc also have to wear them and when all cars have Battenburg markings or chevrons al over them.
I wont while motorcyclists are singled out.

They would be better off encouraging clothing manufactures to incorporate more hi vis designs into their gear.

Tigger

my jacket and helmet are both grey and black but the mother recently was in fits of laughter at me in a shop with her cos all the reflective strips were lighting up

goldie fish

dev100 wrote: »

Whats this 6 year old bikes not allowed in urban areas? Howd the hell would that be enforced?

It is a french proposal not included in the Proposed EU regulations that we are protesting about.

seanybiker

OasisGirl wrote: »

My leathers are gorgeous so I'm not wearing a hi viz over them :pac:

Sadly my hi-viz will have a rip in it so ill have it in my backpack until I get home and can use my other one

turbodiesel

I will not wear a full high viz jacket. I wear a high viz vest and that should be more than enough. If you can't see a 6ft 4 in biker on a TDM with light on you shouldn't be on the road....

Crazy Horse 6

Not a chance. If i want to wear one i will but you won't force me into doing it.

AgileMyth

I'm sure a lot of people said they wouldn't wear helmets. Or seatbelts in cars. I know this is different but if its brought in we'll all end up wearing them eventually, even if its just because its all thats sold in a lot of places.

My black jacket has plenty of reflective strips. My bike is white. My helmet couldn't be more noticeable (Brightly coloured Rossi rep). I won't be rushing out to buy one immediately but I'd replace my current jacket with a high-viz when its due replacing.

Paparazzo

Let the rider decide. I definitely wouldn't wear one. Can't imagine it coming into law anyway.
The mantra "if it saves one live it's worth it" is such rubbish! Bikers know the dangers. And most of them choose not to wear one.

goldie fish

seanybiker wrote: »

Sadly my hi-viz will have a rip in it so ill have it in my backpack until I get home and can use my other one

Strange, same happened mine. It got ripped just before I turn up tomorrow. I'll have to wait till the missus returns next week and she can sew it fixed....:rolleyes:

gipi

I've no problem wearing a hi-vis vest (tend to wear one most of the time anyway), but I'm not happy about being told to wear a hi-vis jacket all the time. I wore one during a training course, over my bike jacket, and I felt like the bloomin' michelin man - there were so many layers around my shoulders and upper arms, I'm certain it was restricting my movement.

And I'm sure that's not safe!!!

What colour will they force us to wear if this does come in - yellow that becomes invisible, or orange that the RSA has been handing out free for the past few years? Maybe white? Yeah, that might work.....(not!)

Thinkingaboutit

I wear a sam brown, otherwise something orange. Hi-vis looks stupid, and barely helps.

uncle betty

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its a well-known fact that many motorists are blind to bikes , and they look out for cars coming and cannot see the motorbikes .

Many lives have been lost because of this .

Of course you can refuse to wear hi-vis , but if it is the law , then you may have to be held accountable .

In my opinion , if it just saves one extra life on the roads , it will be worthwhile implementing .

The message should not have to be repeated :

• be safe - be seen

I don't think parroting old and worthy slogans is quite satisfactory.

There are more important principles here, like individual liberty.

By the way - people gave their lives to assert those principles for us, and it wasn't because they didn't have their high-viz vests on.

It is really, as far as I'm concerned, a lot more to do with the incessant interference in every aspect of our daily lives by Eurocratic a$$h0les.

I am bloody fed up to the eyeballs with all of it.

Only a matter of time before high-viz will be compulsory for pedestrians. After all, they too are vulnerable road-users, and if it just saves one extra life on the roads... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

TheUsual

I have a cheap hi-viz jacket always on my bike to wear.

Do we need it ? Not really.

Why i use it ? I was coming up to a junction at night and a Biker pulled out, now he was totally invisible to me, and I was on a Bike. So I should have seen him, but I didn't he was at 90 degrees to me and invisible. So just for that reason at night, I would wear one. In daylight, kiss my ass.

Stark

allthedoyles wrote: »

In my opinion , if it just saves one extra life on the roads , it will be worthwhile implementing .

That would be a pretty pathetic result. If we all lived by the motto that anything that "saves one life" is worth doing, we'd be paralysed.

I'm not convinced that shifting the burden of responsibility onto victims of traffic accidents is the way to go. "So you hit a motorcyclist in broad daylight? That's okay, he wasn't wearing his hi-viz". The downside of conditioning drivers to only look out for day-glo on the roads could well offset that "one life" saved.

skippey

Silly needless laws
If you want to wear it, do
if you don't, Don't
It still won't make riding any safer in my opinion
So even if it becomes law I won't wear it
Picture the following
Me getting pulled over by the law and getting points and a lecture for not wearing hiviz bib/clothing
All while I'm wearing jeans, tee shirt, sneakers and an open face helmet
Not clever maybe but at least I have freedom of choice to wear what I want on a bike at the moment

paddy147

A motorbike has lights and indicators for a reason.

A car has the same too,for a reason.

Does a car driver and his/her occupants have to wear a hi-viz by law too???

paddy147

Will they make cyclists wear them too,by law.

Will they prossecute every cyclist that sees nothing wrong in cycling through a red light,when there are people crossing the road at the traffic lights or cars are driving through the opposing junction???

the_syco

numbnutz wrote: »

Driver education is the only way to reduce accidents

For the people on the two or four wheels. I'm thinking both, but from your post it seems only those driving on 4 wheels need the education... :pac:

Del2005

Pataman wrote: »

Yep, I wear mine everyday also. Anything that helps to be seen.

If the driver can't see the bike with it's lights on how will they see the high viz until their lights are shinning on it?

I like the way they are proposing this to save bikers but aren't making it law to wear protective clothing. If they really wanted to save bikers from harm they'd make PPE compulsory and test road users eyes more often then once, when they are usually 18-20 and so have great eyesight!

But no they are going to make the biker more "visible" or partly to blame if they aren't wearing hi viz

paddy147

Del2005 wrote: »

If the driver can't see the bike with it's lights on how will they see the high viz until their lights are shinning on it?

I like the way they are proposing this to save bikers but aren't making it law to wear protective clothing. If they really wanted to save bikers from harm they'd make PPE compulsory and test road users eyes more often then once, when they are usually 18-20 and so have great eyesight!

But no they are going to make the biker more "visible" or partly to blame if they aren't wearing hi viz

Heres a question/scenario for you.

If a car smashes into you (car is at fault for arguements sake),and you didnt have a hi-viz on you.

Whos fault would it be for the accident,with regards an insurance companies point of view??

Who would be done for the accident by the law?

And would your accident claim/compensation be null and void too with regards solicitors and the courts???




This is so typically IRSIH.....................as in just slapped together and no thought given to it.

Its a fcuking joke to be perfectly honest and I cant see this even getting part the 1st stage.

Its so flawwed from the word go,that it wont be made stick.








Is Gay Bryne lurking behind this stupid idea aswell???

uncle betty

Is there any proposal to make headlight modulators compulsory ?

They are arguably at least as effective a measure, if visibility and road safety are the goal.

Of course what they wouldn't achieve for the Eurocracy, is the required increase in the culture of mindless conformity.

Keith186

I wore one before for a while and it didn't make any difference so I stopped wearing it.

Don't see the point so I don't think I'll bother with it, it depends on how strictly it's enforced.

If they were serious about road safety the Gardai should be targeting the all the small things that drivers do wrong not just speed. They should target (all vehicle) drivers who don't indicate, drive with no lights in bad/dark conditions, texting and so on.
A lot of the small things cause people to not bother paying attention and they'll never be pulled up on them.
The Gardai should do an undercover 'no mercy' blitz for 5 or 6 random weeks in the year going forward and that alone would make drivers a bit more aware.


These new measures being brought in are mostly bullshít but as it's the EU they can only make regulations instead of really tackling road safety.

daenerysstormborn3

People fail to take into account the laundry list of things that can distract other road users but not bikers. Eating, drinking, using a mobile phone, reading, fiddling with the radio, doing make up, doing hair, disciplining the children, these are all things that I see other road users do on a daily basis while driving. Yet, it's still our fault when other road users do not give their driving their full attention and cut us up.

Incorrect use of indicators and roundabouts is one of the worse things I have to deal with every single day. How will me wearing hi viz make other road users use their indicators correctly or use a roundabout correctly?

Jak O Shadows

Depending on the sanction I will probably wear one if they make it mandatory, but it will be the dirties mankiest hi viz on the planet. Walk on it, put it on, ride over it, put it on.....Will they stipulate how clean they have to be

MikeC101

Nope.

I have an ex police high viz overcoat I'll throw on on dark mornings and evenings, or in heavy rain.

But on a bright sunny day? (Or, more realistically for here, a not too overcast bright day.) No.

Better training and teaching defensive riding skills will save far, far more lives than mandatory high viz.

faceman

I wear a Sam Brown belt at night but i dont wear it during the day, nor would i wear any high vis during the day. My lights are always on so there is no need.

Tbh, even having a Sam Brown on at night isnt necessary but I wear it on the off chance I come off the bike so that other motorists can see me.

daenerysstormborn3

I had my hi viz vest on today coming into work because it was foggy and misty rain was falling. That was my choice.

TheUsual

Del2005 wrote: »

If the driver can't see the bike with it's lights on how will they see the high viz until their lights are shinning on it?

I like the way they are proposing this to save bikers but aren't making it law to wear protective clothing. If they really wanted to save bikers from harm they'd make PPE compulsory and test road users eyes more often then once, when they are usually 18-20 and so have great eyesight!

But no they are going to make the biker more "visible" or partly to blame if they aren't wearing hi viz

Dead right.
I always wonder how many cars are driven without correct glasses, or none at all.

TheUsual

MikeC101 wrote: »

Nope.
I have an ex police high viz overcoat I'll throw on on dark mornings and evenings, or in heavy rain.
But on a bright sunny day? (Or, more realistically for here, a not too overcast bright day.) No.
Better training and teaching defensive riding skills will save far, far more lives than mandatory high viz.

Right, you can wear 3 helmets and 7 jackets and some lowlife will still cut you off for no reason except they are looking at a video or text messsge.

faceman wrote: »

Tbh, even having a Sam Brown on at night isnt necessary but I wear it on the off chance I come off the bike so that other motorists can see me.

I agree 100%, but as an option, not a law.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Incorrect use of indicators and roundabouts is one of the worse things I have to deal with every single day. How will me wearing hi viz make other road users use their indicators correctly or use a roundabout correctly?

It won't, bad driving is bad driving, and you are not the Gardaí. You just have to protect yourself on the roads and keep away from the drunks and aggressive nuts on the roads. Don't get angry with them, and if you have to ... report them to the fuzz.

Pkiernan

No chance I'll wear one.

If a driver cannot see or hear my bike coming from less than 500 yards he/she is in dire need of glasses and a hearing aid!

The requirement to wear a certain style of clothes while going about my personal life is not acceptable to me.

If I am forced to wear a hi-viz, then I will wear it and nothing else - then they'll wish they had just left it all well alone!! :pac:
Is there a law to say that one cannot drive a bike with one's tackle exposed?

carsQhere

If it becomes law and you are knocked off while not wearing one, you will be deemed to be partially at fault and an insurer may use that fact to reduce or avoid any payout.

Wossack

carsQhere wrote: »

If it becomes law and you are knocked off while not wearing one, you will be deemed to be partially at fault and an insurer may use that fact to reduce or avoid any payout.

Pretty much sums up why Im vehemently against this becoming law. The intention is good - to save lives - the reality, is that its another out for the insurance company, and a stick for culprits to defend themselves with.

Pkiernan

carsQhere wrote: »

If it becomes law and you are knocked off while not wearing one, you will be deemed to be partially at fault and an insurer may use that fact to reduce or avoid any payout.

This is quite a stretch.

Only a Court can "deem" this, not an insurance company.
It would make for an interesting case - I'd love to see the State or an insurance company try to prove your statement.


The next step is making us all have Ice-cream Van speakers on our bikes.

TheUsual

allthedoyles wrote: »

Its a well-known fact that many motorists are blind to bikes , and they look out for cars coming and cannot see the motorbikes .

Many lives have been lost because of this .

Of course you can refuse to wear hi-vis , but if it is the law , then you may have to be held accountable .

In my opinion , if it just saves one extra life on the roads , it will be worthwhile implementing .

The message should not have to be repeated :

• be safe - be seen

bull****

MyKeyG

Jeez guys it's a Hi-viz jacket not a rucksack full of bricks. What's the big deal, or are you all just stubborn?

TheUsual

MyKeyG wrote: »

Jeez guys it's a Hi-viz jacket not a rucksack full of bricks. What's the big deal, or are you all just stubborn?

Ok, wear one every single day and let me know how that gets on.

Pointless.
Annoying.

MyKeyG

TheUsual wrote: »

Ok, wear one every single day and let me know how that gets on.

Pointless.
Annoying.

Oh my god. Are you trying to tell me that a light weight Hi-viz vest is such a burden on top of normal attire and a leather jacket? Really?:rolleyes: Plenty of people wear Hi-viz jackets every day. Loading docks, security, police etc but no as always bikers are exempt from everything.

Kev_ps3

MyKeyG wrote: »

Jeez guys it's a Hi-viz jacket not a rucksack full of bricks. What's the big deal, or are you all just stubborn?

If you bought a nice new car would you like to put a yellow cover over it? No didnt think so.

MyKeyG

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

If you bought a nice new car would you like to put a yellow cover over it? No didnt think so.

We're not talking about covering any type of vehicle in anything. The argument is about removable Hi-viz attire. Nobody's asking you to paint your bike luminous so your example is flawed.

However if the government did introduce hi-viz measures for drivers to the extent that I had to paint a hi-viz stripe on me car then I wouldn't like it but I would certainly comply. There are people on this thread talking about outright defiance of the law if the measure is introduced and over what? It's required attire for any individual in an environment exposed to machinery, you have to wear one operating a forklift going 5 miles an hour for goodness sake. What! Are bikers afraid they won't look cool?

thewatch

MyKeyG wrote: »

We're not talking about covering any type of vehicle in anything. The argument is about removable Hi-viz attire. Nobody's asking you to paint your bike luminous so your example is flawed.

However if the government did introduce hi-viz measures for drivers to the extent that I had to paint a hi-viz stripe on me car then I wouldn't like it but I would certainly comply. There are people on this thread talking about outright defiance of the law if the measure is introduced and over what? It's required attire for any individual in an environment exposed to machinery, you have to wear one operating a forklift going 5 miles an hour for goodness sake. What! Are bikers afraid they won't look cool?

Objecting to the Hi Vis is more to do with the "mandatory" aspect.

I could be lit up like a Christmas tree on the road an yet still get hit by other drivers because they only see you IF they look

I'm an adult why must I be told I have to wear Hi Vis? If I want to wear it I will but why the requirement. It's another unnecessary intrusion into my life

If this law comes in and I choose not to wear Hi Vis and I am involved in an RTA will "blame" be placed on me for not wearing Hi Vis?

These are the main reasons for objecting. The minor reason to object in my opinion bikers think Hi Vis is Super Gay

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