timewasting in matches

DARK-KNIGHT

hi in the dub kerry thread this issue popped up and i would like to discuss it further for one..

ok so comments on cluxton taking frees were made saying timewasting and i agree for every free he takes it wastes at least another minute of play that its obviously not played at the end of matches!!

i for one think frees should have a time limit of 30 seconds unless a row or something silly happens... and yes i think refs should come down on likes of cluxton taking up so much gametime. forwards are supposed to be sharpshooters why have furthest player from action take a free its silly and ridiculous..

thoughts views or any other aspects of timewasting you wish to discuss??

Galtee

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

hi in the dub kerry thread this issue popped up and i would like to discuss it further for one..

ok so comments on cluxton taking frees were made saying timewasting and i agree for every free he takes it wastes at least another minute of play that its obviously not played at the end of matches!!

i for one think frees should have a time limit of 30 seconds unless a row or something silly happens... and yes i think refs should come down on likes of cluxton taking up so much gametime. forwards are supposed to be sharpshooters why have furthest player from action take a free its silly and ridiculous..

thoughts views or any other aspects of timewasting you wish to discuss??

This is nonsensical in my opinion. There are 15 players on a team and each one of them is a member of the team and each has their role to play. What that role is, is down to the manager and his entourage and no one else. I was about to offer thanks and then read that even though this is under the guise of general timewasting you couldn't do it witout a direct attack on cluxton and again no mention of the likes of Brian Sheehan, if anything an outfield player who wastes time should be punished as in the incident on Sunday Brian Sheehan was standing 10 feet from the ball and it still took longer than cluxtons even though he had to run the 3/4 length of the pitch. The only fair and manageable thing to do would be to stop the clock until the free is taken.

NO

It happens in GAA time and time again.

Between free's and players feigning injury there must be about 10mins a half wasted and you get the customary 2-3mins :rolleyes: .

You could see the ref gesture to Cluxton to hurry up as he jogged slowly up, but he then gave him another 20-30seconds after telling him to hurry.

The only way to solve all the time wasting would be to introduce a stop clock, I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up at congress yet, most counties have been stung by it in some shape or form in even just the past two years.

listermint

In the context of that game, I think it is a mute issue. Because it was not prolific by either team involved.

To say that it was / is a major issue is nonsense. Kerry could have slowed the game down prior to this free kick but they did not. It was not a usual Kerry performance, in fact i thought they played with vigour and not the silly tactics deployed of old, with feigned injuries and what not.

It was a perfect contest between 2 great teams. And a super spectacle to watch.

If you looking for a time wasting match as an example. That one just isnt it.

Tiocfaidh Armani

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It happens in GAA time and time again.

Between free's and players feigning injury there must be about 10mins a half wasted and you get the customary 2-3mins :rolleyes: .

You could see the ref gesture to Cluxton to hurry up as he jogged slowly up, but he then gave him another 20-30seconds after telling him to hurry.

The only way to solve all the time wasting would be to introduce a stop clock, I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up at congress yet, most counties have been stung by it in some shape or form in even just the past two years.

When Cluxton had the ball he put it down and booted it over without delaying, stop the moaning.

The Assistinator

He done it against donegal aswell in the semi final while it made no difference against donegal it still seemed to be a tactic as it was broogan (i think) called him up to take the free, at the very least the extra minute should be added to allow play to resume otherwise its another thing teams could employ to waste time

gearoidc

There seem to be some insecure types on here who interpret legitimate complaints about the refereeing as sour grapes about the result.

I thought it a disgrace that Kerry weren't given at least another 45 seconds of play. Any eejit could see that a significant amount of time had been wasted by Cluxton's jog.

An unsatisfactory conclusion imo.
Had the scores been the other way around, I think we'd have heard more about it.

Tiocfaidh Armani

You hardly expected him to sprint, where do you see that? Nobody complaining seems to mention how quickly he actually took the free when he got it either.

DARK-KNIGHT

NO

For **** sake not everything is about Dublin and Kerry I used Clifton as an example as he does waste a lot of time taking frees!!!

I think this is a thread slot of fans would have input in please don't drag it off topic

gearoidc

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

You hardly expected him to sprint, where do you see that? Nobody complaining seems to mention how quickly he actually took the free when he got it either.

Talk about missing the point.
He could walk/crawl/roll the length of the pitch for all I care.
Just so long as the ref adds on the time that was lost.

gearoidc

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

For **** sake not everything is about Dublin and Kerry I used Clifton as an example as he does waste a lot of time taking frees!!!

I think this is a thread slot of fans would have input in please don't drag it off topic

You might want to edit your post

AnamGlas

The time between the awarding of a free and the taking of a free should be paused, simple.

Do they stop the clock in rugby as a matter of interest?

Tiocfaidh Armani

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

For **** sake not everything is about Dublin and Kerry I used Clifton as an example as he does waste a lot of time taking frees!!!

I think this is a thread slot of fans would have input in please don't drag it off topic

If it wasn't Dublin involved you wouldn't even be talking about it.

DARK-KNIGHT

NO

I can't understand a player of brogans quality calling a goalkeeper up to take the initiative?? It doesn't say much for him personally IMO brogan didnt show leadership calling on others.

Anyways this isn't about AI just using Clifton as an example like!

If a player takes his time and is obviously wasting tome a ref would call him on it but when a freetaker calls on a keeper to run length of pitch to take a kick at the end of a major major game it does look suspect!! Brogan kicked the winner against lily whites and time was up but he didn't call on Cluxton??? Confusing really

DARK-KNIGHT

NO

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

If it wasn't Dublin involved you wouldn't even be talking about it.

A new user making judgement without knowing me???? Get a life sir!!

Trampas

If he sprints up he needs to take his time to get his breath back.

He jogs up. places the ball steps back and kicks it over within secs.

while every other free taker thinks they are johnny wilkinson with their set up and wastes loads of time.

Blame the ref and not the player.

Tiocfaidh Armani

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I can't understand a player of brogans quality calling a goalkeeper up to take the initiative?? It doesn't say much for him personally IMO brogan didnt show leadership calling on others.

Cluxton takes the frees from distance, how hard is that to understand? He's our third top scorer this year for that very season.

bruschi

lads, can ye leave out the dublin/cluxton comparisons for the moment. that incident just highlighted an anomoly in the game, and it is there. it just happened to be highlighted on sunday.

the main point the OP makes is correct though. A minute to kick a free is far too long, and in injury time, it makes it even more ridiculous. but its not just on frees, players can foul and foul, get yellow cards, wast up to a minute arguing with the ref, slowing down the game, and this time also isnt added on. either a stop clock is introduced, or the actual stoppage time called out (at a minimum remeber is what the announcer says) is actually played. I think the problem comes from the added time being called 'injury time' and unless there is no injury in this additional time, then nothing gets added on.

teams who are winning exploit this, and through all levels of the game, and it makes a farce of things. its something that needs to be stopped. teams advancing down the field, a professional foul, they want to take it quickly and the ref stops them so he can have a chat with the offending player, meanwhile his team mates are getting back now they have the time to do so. how does this give an advantage to the team who has been fouled?

Deise 2012

I dont think Cluxton taking frees is time wasting really. If he is the best man for the job he should be allowed to take them. The Limerick keeper takes them as well, and so did the Waterford Keeper this year. However there could be a good argument that the watch is stopped till he comes up to take them.

There was no real arguments when Davy Fitzgerald and Damien Fitzhenry were going up to take 20 metre frees and Penalties in hurling.

Galtee

Deise 2012 wrote: »

I dont think Cluxton taking frees is time wasting really. If he is the best man for the job he should be allowed to take them. The Limerick keeper takes them as well, and so did the Waterford Keeper this year. However there could be a good argument that the watch is stopped till he comes up to take them.

There was no real arguments when Davy Fitzgerald and Damien Fitzhenry were going up to take 20 metre frees and Penalties in hurling.

That's right and the first year clare won the all ireland in the nineties, 95 I think davy fitz scored the winning goal from the spot in either the munster semi or final (against cork anyways). Nothing said. No moaning from EITHER side and it was a last gasp effort also if memory serves me correct.

King Cantona

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I can't understand a player of brogans quality calling a goalkeeper up to take the initiative?? It doesn't say much for him personally IMO brogan didnt show leadership calling on others.

It´s not about quality. It´s about two things: 1. Distance from goal. 2. Side of the pitch the free kick is on.

The third, added bonus is that no matter what stage of the match Cluxton takes a kick, you can rest assured he is kicking with full power, i.e not tired legs.

The Gooch and Brogan both missed easy frees you would expect them to score, Cluxton´s sailed through the middle from the furthest distance.

There were two Kerry men in front of me at the game and when Cluxton took the first free / 45 (I can´t recall), he missed and they laughed and shouted "bring him up all day..", should have seen their faces when he was joggin up to take the last kick. :P That said, they applauded at the final whistle and we all shook hands afterwards - it´s a beautiful thing about GAA that fans sit together, get on each others nerves and then shake hands at the end of the game.

rebel girl 15

AnamGlas wrote: »

The time between the awarding of a free and the taking of a free should be paused, simple.

Do they stop the clock in rugby as a matter of interest?

AS far as I know they don't stop the clock, but iirc the kicker has a maximum of one minute to place the ball and to kick it.

For as long as it took Cluxton to come up the pitch, he didn't dawdle when he got up there - put the ball down, few steps back and kicked it, than the time spent taking steps back and all that.

As regards those people talking about the forwards and that they should be able to kick free kicks, much easier to kick a point from play than a free, more psychological pressure on when taking a free. Modern goalkeepers have to become much more accurate with their kickouts, so putting the ball in between a space that is 6.5 metres in width is much easier that picking out a player from the same distance, and it is their basic thing. And as King Cantona pointed out, he will always have fresh legs!

I think it could become a much more common thing. I think the countdown clock needs to come into the game, so that they can stop for injuries and subs, and maybe look at it for freetaking as well.

RGS

The poblem lies with refs and the way they decide to allocate injury time. Some will play the standard 2 mins at the end of the game and 1 min at the end of the first half, others allocate 2-3 mins every half. We need to introduce a game clock like rugby or ladies football to make the system more consistent.

plasmaguy

How about this for a suggestion for a new rule.

Goalies can take 45's and anything outside the 45.

But once a free is inside the 45 yard line, they shouldn't be allowed, because in certain circumstances, yes, it could be used to waste time, bringing up the goalie.

Trampas

plasmaguy wrote: »

How about this for a suggestion for a new rule.

Goalies can take 45's and anything outside the 45.

But once a free is inside the 45 yard line, they shouldn't be allowed, because in certain circumstances, yes, it could be used to waste time, bringing up the goalie.

More time is wasted with people faking injuries. than goalie coming up to take a free.

Ref just needs to add the time

SeaFields

I'm not 100% sure but is time wasting define in the GAA rule book?

Also the ref can turn a free into throwing up the ball should in indiscretion be committed by the team to whom the free was awarded. Just make time wasting an indiscretion and the team risks losing the awarded free.

plasmaguy

I think it's all academic to be honest.

There was 2 minutes flagged for injury time. In the end, the ref played 2 minutes 10 seconds. Sure, he could have played another 10 seconds to make up for Cluxton coming all the way up, but there was very little chance of Kerry scoring a point in 10 seconds from where they were. From what I could see, the attack they were building was going nowhere except across the field. It's always hard to judge how long is left when you are playing, you can't really be watching the clock.

Kerry had plenty of time to put the game beyond Dublin and failed to do it.

rebel girl 15

Trampas wrote: »

More time is wasted with people faking injuries. than goalie coming up to take a free.

Ref just needs to add the time

I think take it away from the referee, they have enough to be concentrating on besides the time during the game. Fourth official and fifth official for finals there to control a countdown clock would make it easier!

SeaFields wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure but is time wasting define in the GAA rule book?

Also the ref can turn a free into throwing up the ball should in indiscretion be committed by the team to whom the free was awarded. Just make time wasting an indiscretion and the team risks losing the awarded free.

Correct - defined for both a team delaying a player taking a free kick, where the ball is moved 13m forward (rule 4.18) and also for a player delaying with a free kick awarded to one's own team, where the free is cancelled and the bal is thrown in (rule 4.25)

Dangerous Man

FFS

It was already pointed out in the Kerry-Dublin final thread that Brian Sheenan took twice as long as Cluxton to kick his free and he was just 10ft away from the ball at the time.

If anyone is guilty of wasting time it is Brian Sheehan. He's the one who we need to talk about.

Brian017

I think the countdown clock with it being stopped for injuries and subs like ladies football is a good idea.

Brain Stroking

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

AS far as I know they don't stop the clock, but iirc the kicker has a maximum of one minute to place the ball and to kick it.

There is nothing in the rules or in the game's culture that allows a specific time to take a free. A minute is too long. But we are talking seconds here. Kerry should have gotten maybe 30 more seconds which would definitely mean they had time to attack. The ball was with O'Se in the kerry half back line.
Anyways the issue in this is the ref not Cluxton. The ref decides how long. I honestly dont know how he decided to blow when he did.
Nothing anti-Dublin about this. Some of ye need to lighten up. Most of us, including me, are happy ye got there. The joy and sense of achievement from the players and fans has been great to see. Worthy winners when one looks back at the entire year's football.
But there were some strange decisions against both teams. Except the ones against Kerry were slightly more pronounced and hurt them a lot more.
It's the ref i tells ye. The ref

Jimoslimos

The current system is a farce, but aside from implementing the rugby style stop-clock - IMO unfeasible outside of big championship games, what else?

You could argue that Cluxton took a while with the free, but he didn't take any longer than the two he kicked earlier in the match. Anyway anyone else would probably spent just as long composing themselves for the kick.

Something else I noticed, towards the end of the minor match, Kilkenny I think was kicking a free to reduce the deficit to a single point. Was it my imagination or did he turn to the ref after and ask something along the lines of "how much is left?" The ball was kicked out and whistled up after the allotted 1 min injury time. 1 minute seems pretty low, especially in a second half when the majority of substitutions occur.

It seems to me that officials just pluck a number (usually between 1 and 3) out of their heads or asses and play that. Why don't we have 37min halves and just be done away with injury time???

Galtee

Brain Stroking wrote: »

There is nothing in the rules or in the game's culture that allows a specific time to take a free. A minute is too long. But we are talking seconds here. Kerry should have gotten maybe 30 more seconds which would definitely mean they had time to attack. The ball was with O'Se in the kerry half back line.
Anyways the issue in this is the ref not Cluxton. The ref decides how long. I honestly dont know how he decided to blow when he did.
Nothing anti-Dublin about this. Some of ye need to lighten up. Most of us, including me, are happy ye got there. The joy and sense of achievement from the players and fans has been great to see. Worthy winners when one looks back at the entire year's football.
But there were some strange decisions against both teams. Except the ones against Kerry were slightly more pronounced and hurt them a lot more.
It's the ref i tells ye. The ref

What about the minor game? When Dublin were a point down and there was one minute injury time and the ref blew up on the minute, was this unfair?

Gophur

In Sunday's game the referee (who I though had a very poor game) signalled 2 extra minutes, yet allowed 1 minute of that to be taken up with the free. It was blatant time-wasting and the perpetrators got away with it.

I was at a game last weekend where the referee signalled 4 extra minutes, then managed to find 3 more minuted in that time, blowing up after 7 minutes of extra time.

Tiocfaidh Armani

Gophur wrote: »

In Sunday's game the referee (who I though had a very poor game) signalled 2 extra minutes, yet allowed 1 minute of that to be taken up with the free. It was blatant time-wasting and the perpetrators got away with it.

Did you see how quickly he took the free once he got there? Blatant time wasting my ass.

Gophur

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Did you see how quickly he took the free once he got there? .

What? "Once he got there" ? The point being made was the time it took him to get there. Overall it took about one minute to take the free, from it being awarded to it being struck.

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

.........Blatant time wasting my ass.

Blatant, it certainly was.

As for your ass? That's another story, I'd guess.

Tiocfaidh Armani

Gophur wrote: »

What? "Once he got there" ? The point being made was the time it took him to get there. Overall it took about one minute to take the free, from it being awarded to it being struck.

For someone who had to job three quarters the way of the pitch to take a free it's actually not that long. Kerry took over two minutes to take a free not even under the same circumstances approx 58 minutes in when they were winning. Not a peep about that. Bitter, bitter begrudgers.

Gophur

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

........... Bitter, bitter begrudgers.

Begrudger? Me?
I'm 100% neutral, but, unlike you, calling it as it was.

The reaction of some Dubs fans justifies a lot of the antagonism towards the Dubs from other counties. Fair play to the team, they deserve their title, but some of the fans need to acknowledge the luck and favours they got along the way. Fair play to the genuine Dubs GAA supporters. Enjoy your victory.

To the rest? ..............

Godge

Gophur wrote: »

In Sunday's game the referee (who I though had a very poor game) signalled 2 extra minutes, yet allowed 1 minute of that to be taken up with the free. It was blatant time-wasting and the perpetrators got away with it.

I was at a game last weekend where the referee signalled 4 extra minutes, then managed to find 3 more minuted in that time, blowing up after 7 minutes of extra time.

It is extremely ironic, almost comical, to see Kerry sympathisers on here complaining about Cluxton time-wasting for the free.

If you look at the game overall, there were at least four or five occasions when Kerry prevented Dublin taking quick frees, another form of time-wasting. If they had those few seconds back, maybe they might have got down the pitch for an equalising point.

But best of all, I am sure that Cluxton's earlier frees took longer. Why? Because the referee had to spend time telling Donaghy to move back the full required distance from the free-taker. This was plainly evident to those of us at the game but is sometimes missed while the TV replays the incident. So Donaghy and some other Kerry players were guilty of huge time-wasting when Dublin had other frees earlier in the game. They were doing it to gain an advantage by disrupting the free-taker (it worked at least once) but I see nobody complaining about that time-wasting here.

Get over it, lads. You lost an All-Ireland Final fair and square. Go lick your wounds

Tiocfaidh Armani

Gophur wrote: »

The reaction of some Dubs fans justifies a lot of the antagonism towards the Dubs from other counties. Fair play to the team, they deserve their title, but some of the fans need to acknowledge the luck and favours they got along the way. Fair play to the genuine Dubs GAA supporters. Enjoy your victory.

It's sheer begrudgery, no wonder some Dubs are taking exception. Kerry were time wasting taking two minutes to take a free kick hardly 10 minutes before that, yet someone has to jog nearly the length of the pitch and takes it nearly straight away and you highlight that?

Yeah fair play to genuine Dublin GAA people, I consider myself in that bracket seeing as how I've supported them and played the GAA competitively since I was a young boy.

Godge

Gophur wrote: »

Begrudger? Me?
I'm 100% neutral, but, unlike you, calling it as it was.

The reaction of some Dubs fans justifies a lot of the antagonism towards the Dubs from other counties. Fair play to the team, they deserve their title, but some of the fans need to acknowledge the luck and favours they got along the way. Fair play to the genuine Dubs GAA supporters. Enjoy your victory.

To the rest? ..............

The first big point was that the ref got it wrong and the ball wasn't handled on the ground. Dubs fans found a photograph that showed it was and pointed out the rules said it should have been a penalty.

The second big point was the alleged timewasting from Cluxton. It was shown that he took his free quicker than Sheehan did ten minutes earlier when Kerry were winning. It was also pointed out that Kerry had tried to delay Dublin frees earlier in the game.

Both of these are in the context of the referee allegedly favouring Dublin.

What is wrong with Dublin fans reacting to alleged favouritism and pointing out the true facts of the situation? I am confident that a full analysis of the game will show that Dublin got as much or as little of the breaks as Kerry did especially when you consider a penalty is worth potentially two more points if it is converted.

Gophur

Godge wrote: »

It is extremely ironic, almost comical, to see Kerry sympathisers on here complaining about Cluxton time-wasting for the free.

.......................

Get over it, lads. You lost an All-Ireland Final fair and square. Go lick your wounds

Kerry sympathiser? Ha, ha, ha!

I lost no All Ireland, as I posted earlier.

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

It's sheer begrudgery, .....................


Yeah fair play to genuine Dublin GAA people, I consider myself in that bracket seeing as how I've supported them and played the GAA competitively since I was a young boy.

It's not begrudgery, in the slightest.

Both of you are simply adding fuel to the fire that is the attitude of the Dubs supporters.

The essence of sport is to be gracious in defeat and magnanimous in victory. You two lads are lacking, sadly, in that department.


Again, if you fail to have seen it before, I was, and am, 100% neutral. I couldn't give a toss, one way or the other, who won the game.

I, unlike some others, can see the wood for the trees, can see where there was a mistake (that's not to say there weren't any other mistakes) but the last one, by the referee, was too significant to be ignored.

Galtee

Gophur wrote: »

The reaction of some Dubs fans justifies a lot of the antagonism towards the Dubs from other counties.

The key problem with your statement here is that the antagonism came first.

Gophur

Galtee wrote: »

The key problem with your statement here is that the antagonism came first.

Nope, you are wrong.

The antagonism has come from the Dubs "supporters" upset at people voicing an opinion on a mistake by the referee. Apparently everything was 100% good/proper/correct last Sunday, because the Dubs won?

Jimoslimos

Think of it another way,

It was Kerry's 'punishment' for comitting the foul on McMenaman in the 1st place. If they hadn't and Dublin had got the likely score then there would have been plenty of time for a comeback.

You foul in a scoreable position then I don't think you can expect the team taking the free to rush the kick and potentially miss the chance just for your mistake. There was 2 mins on the clock - Kerry's fault they decided to foul and waste valuable seconds

Tiocfaidh Armani

Gophur wrote: »

The essence of sport is to be gracious in defeat and magnanimous in victory. You two lads are lacking, sadly, in that department.

I was magnamimous in victory to all Kerry people I've met, you're just a person online I don't know, who is obviously trying to talk down everything they can about the Dublin victory. I'm not the one with the issue.

Godge

Gophur wrote: »

Kerry sympathiser? Ha, ha, ha!

I lost no All Ireland, as I posted earlier.




It's not begrudgery, in the slightest.

Both of you are simply adding fuel to the fire that is the attitude of the Dubs supporters.

The essence of sport is to be gracious in defeat and magnanimous in victory. You two lads are lacking, sadly, in that department.


Again, if you fail to have seen it before, I was, and am, 100% neutral. I couldn't give a toss, one way or the other, who won the game.

I, unlike some others, can see the wood for the trees, can see where there was a mistake (that's not to say there weren't any other mistakes) but the last one, by the referee, was too significant to be ignored.

No, you are missing the point and your postings are illogical. If time is to be added on for time wasted taking frees, then more than two minutes should have been added at the end of normal time because of all the time-wasting and play-acting that took place (most of it by Kerry) during the normal 70 minutes. Think of the time lost to protests by Kerry when Brogan had a simple 15-yard free to kick over the bar after the ball was handled on the ground.

Even if you do add time, how much time should that be? Cluxton took 55 seconds to take the free. Should he be allowed 40 seconds for a shot at goal? That would be considerably less than most frees at goal over the 70 minutes. But let us be generous to Kerry, then the ref should have allowed 15 seconds extra. I think he blew up at 72:12 so if anything he was short 3 seconds. You really think that made a difference and was a mistake too significant to be ignored? Methinks thou protest too much.

I am perfectly gracious in defeat and victory, however, if you look back through this thread and others, I have only commented in response to the lies peddled about the Cluxton free and the handball on the ground.

Galtee

Gophur wrote: »

Nope, you are wrong.

The antagonism has come from the Dubs "supporters" upset at people voicing an opinion on a mistake by the referee. Apparently everything was 100% good/proper/correct last Sunday, because the Dubs won?

Nope I'm not wrong.
Noone is suggesting that everything was 100% good/proper/correct at all and I for one am saying as a former player of the game that these things happen in every game and they usually even themselves out over the course of the game and that's exactly what happened here. There was no one big decision that determined the outcome of this match biased toward one team over the other. Did the Dubs supporters come on here start arguing with themselves? No they merely replied and countered certain statements that were made about refs decisions during the game, merely pointing out that it wasn't so one sided as some people like to imagine. I for one think it's unfair to come on here and focus on certain decisions only and to completely ignore the decisions that negate their argument, some might call it stupid and smallminded but I think it's unfair.

celt262

Dangerous Man wrote: »

FFS

It was already pointed out in the Kerry-Dublin final thread that Brian Sheenan took twice as long as Cluxton to kick his free and he was just 10ft away from the ball at the time.

If anyone is guilty of wasting time it is Brian Sheehan. He's the one who we need to talk about.

At least after sheehans kick dublin had time to respond.

Galtee

celt262 wrote: »

At least after sheehans kick dublin had time to respond.

Is a point scored in the first minute any different to a point scored in the last minute?

Dangerous Man

Gophur wrote: »

In Sunday's game the referee (who I though had a very poor game) signalled 2 extra minutes, yet allowed 1 minute of that to be taken up with the free. It was blatant time-wasting and the perpetrators got away with it.

I was at a game last weekend where the referee signalled 4 extra minutes, then managed to find 3 more minuted in that time, blowing up after 7 minutes of extra time.

Brian Sheehan took two minutes to take a free in the same game. Twice as long as Cluxton and he didn't have to jog 3/4 the length of the pitch to take the free - unlike Cluxton. The part in bold is nonsense of the highest order.