Requisition church property and use its sale to pay off national debt...

markesmith

...would it cover our national debt?

We're all hating on the Catholic Church these days and, let's face it, they deserve our ire.

What do you think?

Temptamperu

that would be an equmenical matter.

Bloody Nipples

Irish debt is at ~115bn euro so it really wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean.

Saila

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Irish debt is at ~115bn euro so it really wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean.

but would be a good start anyway

Nate--IRL--

Who could afford to buy it?

Nate

Chuck Stone

Give it to the victims of the clerical abuse.

Won't happen because property rights are sacrosanct and far more highly developed and defined than human rights

S'all in the game yo

admiralofthefleet

Saila wrote: »

but would be a good start anyway

exactly. make them buy a shitload of tents in lidl and live in them

Saila

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Who could afford to buy it?

Nate

who would want to, ew sticky church smell

must

RMD

Who would buy it? The banks wont provide money and the property market is fúcked.

Spread

Ex Dale Farm developers

Dangerous Man

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Irish debt is at ~115bn euro so it really wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean.

Hmmm... that reminds me of another thread where the OP didn't quite get his calculations right.

markesmith

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Hmmm... that reminds me of another thread where the OP didn't quite get his calculations right.

Care to elaborate? I'm rarely specific with figures on AH - I tend to veer more towards sensationalist, bigoted sweeping generalisations

bullpost

You'd get more for the Church of Ireland stuff - much prettier

stanley 2

Hitler did somthing similar with the Jews property made some decent propoganda supported by the national press the local radio stations and cinema outlets your on to a winner here

Run_to_da_hills

Turn the lot into halting sites, we might do England a favour atm.

Alter-Ego

stanley 2 wrote: »

Hitler did somthing similar with the Jews property made some decent propoganda supported by the national press the local radio stations and cinema outlets your on to a winner here

Only 14 posts in....

For Forks Sake

Alter-Ego wrote: »

Only 14 posts in....

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conorhal

Stupid idea. Most church property happens to be schools, churches, community centers, old folks homes and the odd PP’s house. I suppose the houses might be worth a quid or two (literally), but I can’t really much of a market for primary schools these days. I don’t think that there are many land banks that have not already been offered to the government, and few would be in prime development areas (if such things still exist).

Spread

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Turn the lot into halting sites, we might do England a favour atm.

But they are Halting Sites. After all, we're just passing through

biko

markesmith wrote: »

they deserve our ire.

We don't call it Ireland for nothing.

mossyc123

Alter-Ego wrote: »

Only 14 posts in....

Yeah, it normally takes a lot longer for a point disagreeing with an anti-Church OP to be made :pac:

Immaculate Pasta

Just give it all to the Chinese, they're a great bunch of lads after all

A.Partridge

markesmith wrote: »

...would it cover our national debt?

We're all hating on the Catholic Church these days and, let's face it, they deserve our ire.

What do you think?

Requisition?

Oh, you mean take from them what's not yours to take.

It's not requisitioning, that's stealing.

mickydoomsux

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Who could afford to buy it?

Nate

Who's the Nate fella?

He sounds wealthy.

mikemac

Last man to do this was Jonathan Rhys Meyers and he was a right scumbag

Pason

at least they could take the parish land off the priests and sell it

PeterIanStaker

I'm sure the RCC isn't short of a few quid.

Personally I think church land should be nationalised.

yeppydeppy

A.Partridge wrote: »

Requisition?

Oh, you mean take from them what's not yours to take.

It's not requisitioning, that's stealing.

I don't believe so, the Irish people gave them the land to build on and the money to build with. The chruch is nothing but a parasite on society. We would be taking back what was ours in the first place.

markesmith

Got the idea while watching a doco on the Spanish Civil War last night. The Republicans (no relation ) burned down churches and went to town on the clergy. Catholic Church being the symbol of hated authority, anti-individualism, and all that...

Just thinking it would kill two birds with the one stone - end the Church's fake empire in this country, and expand the coffers.

MagicMarker

Take the land, give it to Apple and make them hire all the unemployed people.

wes

I would have no issues with something likes this to compensate victims of church abuses, but in this instance (trying to get money to pay the countries debt), I think this suggestion is utter bull****.

Sure, let go after the church to pay for the messed up economy and leave the people who messed up the economy alone to get off scot free. Sorry, but what is being suggested by the OP is not justice at all imho. If someone should pay for our messed up economy, it should be the people who messed it up.

mossyc123

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

I'm sure the RCC isn't short of a few quid.

Personally I think church land should be nationalised.

Neither are Tesco.

Should we steal their property too in order to pay for the failures of political leadership and financial regulation?

yeppydeppy wrote: »

I don't believe so, the Irish people gave them the land to build on and the money to build with. The chruch is nothing but a parasite on society. We would be taking back what was ours in the first place.

Providing Social Services to the people of Ireland is hardly parasitic behaviour.

markesmith wrote: »

Got the idea while watching a doco on the Spanish Civil War last night. The Republicans (no relation ) burned down churches and went to town on the clergy. Catholic Church being the symbol of hated authority, anti-individualism, and all that...

Just thinking it would kill two birds with the one stone - end the Church's fake empire in this country, and expand the coffers.

Burning down Churches can help solve the economic crises...

I've heard it all now.

Pason wrote: »

at least they could take the parish land off the priests and sell it

Another vote for stealing... desperate times I suppose :rolleyes:

myself69

Stop giving the Catholic Church and all religions in Ireland tax exempt status.

Teclo

Yes, this is the place where deranged anti-Catholics engage in mental masturbation to pass away some time. Whatever....

:pac:

KeithAFC

Sounds like a good idea.

Biggins

MagicMarker wrote: »

Take the land, give it to Apple and make them hire all the unemployed people.

Nobody makes Apple do anything - more like they tell us!

super_furry

If we’re going to start requisitioning buildings, we should start by taking College Green off Bank of Ireland.

Elliemental

markesmith wrote: »

...would it cover our national debt?

We're all hating on the Catholic Church these days and, let's face it, they deserve our ire.

What do you think?

Split with Rome completely, and dismantle the Catholic church altogether. That would be far more beneficial. Ah well, I can dream.

yeppydeppy

mossyc123 wrote: »

Providing Social Services to the people of Ireland is hardly parasitic behaviour.

You can not call what the catholic chruch has done to this country over the centuries social services. Rape and pillage is what springs to my mind.

goose2005

conorhal wrote: »

Stupid idea. Most church property happens to be schools, churches, community centers, old folks homes and the odd PP’s house. I suppose the houses might be worth a quid or two (literally), but I can’t really much of a market for primary schools these days. I don’t think that there are many land banks that have not already been offered to the government, and few would be in prime development areas (if such things still exist).

A lot of churches were right in the middle of towns on main streets. If they sold up at the height of the boom and built new churches outside the town, the RCC could have made a killing. No business sense at all.

mossyc123 wrote: »

Providing Social Services to the people of Ireland is hardly parasitic behaviour.

Except that they got taxpayers' money to provide those services, just as a state-owned system would have (Indeed, often a disproportionate amount - can recall a woman saying she had her child taken off her because she was too poor to keep the child - a Catholic orphanage got £900 a year to raise the child, the mother said she could have kept the child for less than £200 a year) Not to forget Michael Woods' billion-dollar deal.

Chuck Stone

A.Partridge wrote: »

It's not requisitioning, that's stealing.

Recompense is what it would be.

mossyc123 wrote: »

Neither are Tesco.

Tesco didn't rape children and then send perpetrators of such crimes around the country to continue raping. The institution was much more important to these morally bankrupt people than their flock of lambs.

Another vote for stealing... desperate times I suppose

Reallocating ill gotten gains would be a better description. As I said before if human and child rights were as developed as property rights then the RCC in Ireland would be bankrupt on top of being morally bankrupt.

myself69 wrote: »

Stop giving the Catholic Church and all religions in Ireland tax exempt status.

Good point.

Teclo wrote: »

Yes, this is the place where deranged anti-Catholics engage in mental masturbation to pass away some time.

Anti Catholic? No.

Anti sexual abuse?
Anti physical abuse?
Anti institutional dysfunction?

Yes.

SoupMonster

The Roman Catholic Church qualifies as a Charitable Institution under the 2009 Charities Act on the basis of

"The aims of the organisation as set out in the constitution must be exclusively charitable and must come under one of the following headings or definitions of charity:
The relief of poverty;
The advancement of education;
The advancement of religion; or
Other purposes beneficial to the community"

For the life of me, I cannot see how filling someone head with superstition and hocus-pocus (religion) qualifies as charity.

I suggest:- break the Church into two parts
a. The charity part, schools, relief works, etc. (Free of taxes, and non profit).
b. The religion part (To be run as the business that it really is and taxed at normal corporation tax rates).
Each part to be audited anually and held accountable to the law of this land as with any other charity or business.

Dionysus

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

Irish debt is at ~115bn euro so it really wouldn't even be a drop in the ocean.

...but think of how good such an action would make the "Atheism is, like, so cool, like" fashionistas in Afterhours.

Dionysus

markesmith wrote: »

Requisition church property and use its sale to pay off national debt...

It's highly unlikely this will happen, even if I support it in principal. If the British could get away with charging (under the Land Acts from 1870) Irish people to buy Irish land back from the British colonial community which robbed it from the Irish in the first place, then it's probable that the Roman church which was given this money voluntarily by Irish people will have to be bought out.

stanley 2

What about starting small and taking the Jews money first

Freddie59

yeppydeppy wrote: »

You can not call what the catholic chruch has done to this country over the centuries social services. Rape and pillage is what springs to my mind.

In the minority compared to what they achieved. But still sickening.

Freddie59

KeithAFC wrote: »

Sounds like a good idea.

A lot you'd know about it.

Freddie59

SoupMonster wrote: »

superstition and hocus-pocus (religion)

It was only a matter of time I suppose.....another angry non-believer.:)

Yahew

markesmith wrote: »

Got the idea while watching a doco on the Spanish Civil War last night. The Republicans (no relation ) burned down churches and went to town on the clergy. Catholic Church being the symbol of hated authority, anti-individualism, and all that...

Just thinking it would kill two birds with the one stone - end the Church's fake empire in this country, and expand the coffers.

you think the socialists were "pro-individualism?".

Yahew

Biggins wrote: »

Nobody makes Apple do anything - more like they tell us!

Apple sells stuff on the market you dont have to buy.

Mal-Adjusted

so the state illegally steals private land on a whim...right, so how do you plan on running a country having just ensured no further MNC's come and scaring away the ones that were here already? :P