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Should I Get A Vectra?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 fatal1ty


    johnos1984 wrote: »
    I know exactly what you're looking for as it's how I got on the road too.

    Done deal is your best bet to find one or keep an eye locally.

    Mechanics often have these cars for sale on behalf of customers too or they will buy, service it and sell it themselves for a small profit. In fact many of them will source one for you as more often than not they will end up servicing it for you too in the future

    Solid advice, man. I'll keep an eye out for one, and hopefully, I'll be on the road soon!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    If you're in the market for a lazy barge, try this:
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/200/C-200-Ko/201134204058961/advert?channel=CARS

    (just throwing it out there, one of my first cars was a 1984 Mercedes 200 W123, still my absolute favorite car I have ever owned or driven.)
    Also, just an example, the price on that is optimistic, to be kind to the seller.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 fatal1ty


    If you're in the market for a lazy barge, try this:
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/200/C-200-Ko/201134204058961/advert?channel=CARS

    (just throwing it out there, one of my first cars was a 1984 Mercedes 200 W123, still my absolute favorite car I have ever owned or driven.)
    Also, just an example, the price on that is optimistic, to be kind to the seller.

    beautiful car, but WAAAAY too pricey!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    Im sorry

    my dad offered me his vectra and i told him where he could go with it......


    its a terrible car, unreliable and uncomfortable to drive.
    its a bit bigger than a few cars but nothing worth fighting for
    my own car would carry more crap than his.

    insurance on my car is cheaper than on the '98 vectra !!!

    the vectra has too many problems and aren't the best cars in the world.

    go with a jap box. it will give much less hassle ! and be lighter on fuel once you drive it right. (as per my thread i just created :) )


    just to list some of the problems my dads vectra currently has
    noisy exhaust (again for the 3rd time !)
    oil leak from oil cap (2nd time to relpace it and also had 3 previous oil leaks in other places)
    engine management problem that when car is started you'd be lucky if it stayed on.
    electronic issues like dash sometimes not working.
    key barrel broken (no steering wheel lock and sometimes car wont lock cos it thinks the key is still in it)
    Handbrake is not worth a crap (garage said it was perfect but you still lift it a mile for anything to happen)
    its nothing special to look at either to be fair... a bit ugle on the inside


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,596 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Had a Vectra B 1.8 litre for almost 2 years from new. Terrible piece of crap, drank petrol like fish drinks water. Iffy electrics and a very notchy gearbox. Can only imagine what they are like at this stage and would not wish one on my worst enemy.

    Mk1/2 Mondeo and Peugeot 406 were light years ahead of it in every department.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭barura


    If you want to start on a vectra, go ahead! I got one for free that was sitting up. I drove it about 40 miles before giving it to a friend to take apart. In the short time I drove it I really digged how it drove, the pull of the engine, the feel of the clutch, acceleration and the stereo is nice in them. They have 4 doors, so handy for transporting people, and a boot!

    Learning in one would be nice, the power of the engine will make doing hill starts, moving off, cruising etc. really nice. 0-60 speed doesn't mean squat. It can get to it, so why worry? People read too much into "POWER OF THE ANTICHRIST" when a learner wants to start on a 1.6 or larger. I WISH I started on a saloon, it is a lot more relaxed to drive and, if taught how to drive and using a little cop, wonderful for your test.

    What else can I say? The 1.6 I had had brakes all around, nice for stopping in a hurry, coupled with ABS means a nice smooth stop compared to other "starter" cars.

    You'll look respectable, as you want to. If you want to buck the trend of 3 door hatchbacks, why not? Be the wheelman on peoples nights out and grab a fiver each for petrol money. Do pizza deliveries. Hell, go for a long drive and realise that it's a ****-ton comfier than the 1.3 starlet you mates drive.

    In short, get something that YOU like. All cars will have there problems. Check cars with a friend that has a good head for cars and get something that you will like.

    Spending your money on a nice car is a lot more sensible than pissing it away on something stupid anyways... IE. Beer. :D

    Also, when I was getting insured, a 1.8 laguna facelift from 99 was cheaper to get insured on than the VW polo 1lite I had.

    Jeeze, I post too long sometimes...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭mondeo


    Thinking about one of those Vectras gives me a headache and a dry throat. Push starting a Lada sounds more appealing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    OP, if you really want to have something different and quirky, you can't go wrong here:
    http://www.carzone.ie/search/Citroen/Xantia/GREAT-CO/201114201874773/advert?channel=CARS

    This is a 1.8, don't know what insurance would be like...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 fatal1ty


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Had a Vectra B 1.8 litre for almost 2 years from new. Terrible piece of crap, drank petrol like fish drinks water. Iffy electrics and a very notchy gearbox. Can only imagine what they are like at this stage and would not wish one on my worst enemy.

    Mk1/2 Mondeo and Peugeot 406 were light years ahead of it in every department.

    Found a nice mondeo on DoneDeal, and insurance is 1,000 cheaper than the Vectra!! any more suggestions to reliable 4-door saloons would be great :D!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    fatal1ty wrote: »
    Found a nice mondeo on DoneDeal, and insurance is 1,000 cheaper than the Vectra!! any more suggestions to reliable 4-door saloons would be great :D!

    Throw up the link, and avoid the 1.8 petrol Mondeo Mk3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,596 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    1997 to early 2000 Toyota Avensis 1.6 litre, not glamerous by any means but then again neither is a Vectra and at least the Avensis is reliable, lean burn engine is easy on fuel too.

    I'd also look at an unmelested 1994 to 1998 Mazda 323f 1.5 litre, more youthful than a Vectra/Mondeo or Avensis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 fatal1ty


    Confab wrote: »
    Throw up the link, and avoid the 1.8 petrol Mondeo Mk3.

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2544613

    This is the car, but why avoid the 1.8 petrol? I was looking at a couple of 2.0diesels as well, and insurance is still less than a base Vectra


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    OP, just did a few quick quotes.

    Start smaller. 1.6L will CRUCIFY you on insurance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Weylin


    no,no,no. the can be plauged by electrical problems/ecu failure. lots of way better stuff out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,102 ✭✭✭johndaman66


    fatal1ty wrote: »
    Found a nice mondeo on DoneDeal, and insurance is 1,000 cheaper than the Vectra!! any more suggestions to reliable 4-door saloons would be great :D!

    That absolutely can't be right. If I picked up correctly from earlier in the thread you are a 17 year old and taking insurance out in your own name. Think you mentioned that you were quoted €2,500 on a 1.6 vectra (which seems lower than what I would have expected to be honest), so that would make the quote €1,500 on the 1.8 litre mondeo....Sorry to be a killjoy but I'd make sure to double check that as it does not seem right to me at all regardless of your other particulars...way of the mark in fact.

    Lots of people mentioning to go for a smaller engined car to save on the insurance. I found when first taking out insurance you will save a few quid on a smaller car but not a hugh lot really, there was often only a couple of hundred in it.

    Re the Vectra B I drove one myself for a few years but wouldn't particularly endorse it. Id consider it a pretty avergae family saloon. Far from the worst car going but certainly not the best by a long shot either. Mechanically mine gave me quite a few headaches. The headgasket went despite owning the car from low mileage and changing waterpump and coolant on time at the recommended intervals, and not roughing the car by any means. Granted the mileage was creeping up high enough when it gave but it still annoyed me. Timing belt changes are expensive, needing to be done every 40k miles...you need to buy a complete timing belt kit and water pump along with a few hours labour. Some owners will skimp on the pulleys and waterpump but thats a false economy as it may well more than likely lead to your engine self destructing in one way or another.

    Fuel pump gave up on me and left me stranded far away from home. That left me with a repair bill of just shy of €500. Granted though part of that was to cover towing the car. Think the pump itself was about €320 or €340...enough loot I thought at the time. Think the main reason the fuel pump gives is because owners neglect to change the fuel filter. Utterly my own fault in my own case but you learn by your mistakes!

    The car had a right healthy appetite for rear brake pads and bushings. The bushings can be expensive enough to put in. They need to be pressed in with a specific tool. Some garages will push them in by hook or by crook, damaging them in the process and pretty much your back at square one soon after. If you drive over a rough surface and find dull thumping from rear wheels area its a good indication the bushings need doing.

    I found the gearchange to be quite notchy, and the ride can be pretty wallowy. Performance is far from super but the car is well able to keep up with traffic, and its not a performance car anyway as others have mentioned. Still though it didn't seem near as agile or free revving as many other similar family cars I have drove. On the plus side the car was very comfy and pretty smooth on motorways

    If it were me with a budget of circa €1k looking for a car in that league I'd be more inclined to consider a Toyota Avensis/ Nissan Primera/ Mazda 323F.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,222 ✭✭✭robbie_998


    Cheers for reminding me about the fuel pump.

    Although the part itself should have only cost €80 ordered and easy enough to do oneself !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Sitec wrote: »
    Think about a 1.6 Volvo S40 also OP.

    You'll only get a post-2005 model in a 1.6 which will cost you minimum €4,995ish for a crap example.

    Insurance will be terrible too and just about unobtainable on older models which start as 1.8L. Avoid, for the OP - in general though a nice car :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 fatal1ty


    That absolutely can't be right. If I picked up correctly from earlier in the thread you are a 17 year old and taking insurance out in your own name. Think you mentioned that you were quoted €2,500 on a 1.6 vectra (which seems lower than what I would have expected to be honest), so that would make the quote €1,500 on the 1.8 litre mondeo....Sorry to be a killjoy but I'd make sure to double check that as it does not seem right to me at all regardless of your other particulars...way of the mark in fact.

    RE Insurance
    I agree, I thought that €1500 (€1533.27 to be exact) was too cheap to be true, but I double and even triple checked this figure, and it was still correct.

    RE Vectra
    Thanks for your information regarding the Vectra... I think I best stay away from them, as almost everyone on this thread has mentioned ECU and Gearbox problems, and the bad fuel economy. Personally, if the insurance quote is about the same in a couple of months, i reckon I'll get the Mondeo.

    Thanks again for your info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭eljono


    fatal1ty wrote: »
    RE Insurance
    I agree, I thought that €1500 (€1533.27 to be exact) was too cheap to be true, but I double and even triple checked this figure, and it was still correct.

    RE Vectra
    Thanks for your information regarding the Vectra... I think I best stay away from them, as almost everyone on this thread has mentioned ECU and Gearbox problems, and the bad fuel economy. Personally, if the insurance quote is about the same in a couple of months, i reckon I'll get the Mondeo.

    Thanks again for your info.

    That's a great insurance quote for a Mondeo.

    We had three Vectras in the family over various stages. The last one was a 1.6 16v B that my mother originally had for 4 years, I then had it for 6 and a friend had it for 1. While it was comfortable, practical and well equipped, I felt it was underpowered for the weight of the car and as such was heavy enough on juice. The ECUs do give trouble on them, often resulting in the engine cutting out as you pull up to lights or roundabouts. The gearbox went on mine when it was 9 years old, replaced it with a secondhand one which then went after my friend owned the car for a year.

    Personally, I think you'd be better off with a Primera or Mondeo, nicer cars to drive and don't seem to be as prone to niggles as the Vectra.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    barura wrote: »
    If you want to start on a vectra, go ahead! I got one for free that was sitting up. I drove it about 40 miles before giving it to a friend to take apart. In the short time I drove it I really digged how it drove, the pull of the engine, the feel of the clutch, acceleration and the stereo is nice in them. They have 4 doors, so handy for transporting people, and a boot!

    Learning in one would be nice, the power of the engine will make doing hill starts, moving off, cruising etc. really nice. 0-60 speed doesn't mean squat. It can get to it, so why worry? People read too much into "POWER OF THE ANTICHRIST" when a learner wants to start on a 1.6 or larger. I WISH I started on a saloon, it is a lot more relaxed to drive and, if taught how to drive and using a little cop, wonderful for your test.

    What else can I say? The 1.6 I had had brakes all around, nice for stopping in a hurry, coupled with ABS means a nice smooth stop compared to other "starter" cars.

    You'll look respectable, as you want to. If you want to buck the trend of 3 door hatchbacks, why not? Be the wheelman on peoples nights out and grab a fiver each for petrol money. Do pizza deliveries. Hell, go for a long drive and realise that it's a ****-ton comfier than the 1.3 starlet you mates drive.

    In short, get something that YOU like. All cars will have there problems. Check cars with a friend that has a good head for cars and get something that you will like.

    Spending your money on a nice car is a lot more sensible than pissing it away on something stupid anyways... IE. Beer. :D

    Also, when I was getting insured, a 1.8 laguna facelift from 99 was cheaper to get insured on than the VW polo 1lite I had.

    Jeeze, I post too long sometimes...

    And that car he was talking about ended up with me ;) It is a lovely car to sit into, different world to Corsas, actually feels like a car not a tinbox :)

    OP if youre handy with a spanner you can have some real bargains. Don't be afraid to buy something thats "unreliable" as with a typical 17yo budget you won't be getting anything relatively new or decent. My first car to insure was a 1.2 Bravo I got non running and falling to pieces for €400, The insurance was 6 times what I paid for the car when I was 18 :mad: most people look down their noses at such a daring choice but when they were left stranded calling for a garage not knowing what was wrong with their car I certainly was having the last laugh knowing I could sort it if I wanted to ;)

    As for "no 17 should have a car bigger than 1l" I say bollo*ks to that, I learned to drive in both a 1.6 litre car and a 2.5 litre car, both in my name at 16. So don't let anyone tell you that rubbish of small engines for 17 year olds :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭carzony


    fatal1ty wrote: »
    Found a nice mondeo on DoneDeal, and insurance is 1,000 cheaper than the Vectra!! any more suggestions to reliable 4-door saloons would be great :D!


    Sorry mate, I did not read your entire thread but where are you getting your quotes from?

    I'm 20 and paying 3200 on a 1.4 almera?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 472 ✭✭wee truck big driver


    as was said already dont go for an early mk3 1.8 mondeo. if you got 1.8 mk2 mondeo you would have a much better car. and stay away from any opel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭TylerIE


    fatal1ty wrote: »
    Hi, I'm going to be 17 soon, and I talked my parents into getting me a car. But, i really want an Opel Vectra, B, to be exact. I should be able to afford to run it, they're (reasonably) light on petrol, and the 1.6 is cheaper than a few hatchbacks i've looked at. I want one of these to avoid the whole 'boy racer' stereotype, as all in all, the vectra is quieter, faster, more comfortable, roomier, and in my opinion, a lot better looking than the scrap Starlets and Corollas my friends think are 'fast'. Insurance is very reasonable too, so I genuinely don't see a reason to avoid one. However, is there anything in particular i should look out for when buying one, considering I have about E1,000 to spend on the car?

    I dont know much about the mechanics behind cars but to answer your question I understand a lot of Vectras around late 90's early 00's had head gasket trouble. RE other cars have you considered a focus? Not a hot hatch and can be got in 1.4/1.6. Much cheaper tax than a 2L (about €400 vs €614)


    Keep an eye for oil all over the engine, or oil patches on the ground around where the car was kept. If the engine light is on Id stray away.

    Re people advising you to get "jap boxes". I went for a bigger car at 17 and I credit it with saving my life when hit by another driver. The damage the bigger car had would have went right into the passenger compartment in a 1.0/1.2l. And when your just starting out such safety features are well worth it... I was at the point of refusing to let the OH get a 1.0/1.2l banger when they started, and now they love having the space and respectability of a bigger car. Even when they went for their test the driving examiner commented on the decent car for a young driver.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,158 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Unless you have your quote in writing from what ever insurance comp/broker you were using to get that quote i wouldn't go buying a car tbh.

    At 23 with a full license for 5 years and only 1 year NCB, the best quote i could get on a 1.4 Polo was around 900ish iirc. And I called every broker I could find, i'm not saying it's not true, but you'd want to be absolutely sure before buying a car IMO.


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