Stoke Away - Carling Cup

Mr. Guappa

Team news: http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/team-news-190911.html

Sandro and William Gallas could return to action in Tuesday night's Carling Cup third round tie at Stoke.

Neither player has featured so far this season.

Sandro suffered a knee injury on international duty with Brazil at the Copa America in the summer while William is on the way back from a calf problem that struck early in pre-season.

"I'm hoping William Gallas may be okay to come back, we'll see how he is after training this morning," reported Harry Redknapp at Spurs Lodge on Monday.

"Sandro is also on his way back and I may get an hour out of him tomorrow. It would be great if I could get those two back playing again.

"Other than that it will be one or two of the younger players who have played recently and done well and one or two of the seniors players who didn't feature on Sunday."

The manager said he was likely to make a changes from the team that was so impressive against Liverpool on Sunday, but insisted he was after a win at Stoke, nothing less.

"We want to stay in the competition, we want to win and go all the way if we can," he said.

"We could have Sandro and William Gallas back, Pav needs another game, van der Vaart is back, Gomes, Bassong, Corluka - that's not a bad team, is it?

"One or two of the youngsters will get another chance as well."

Michael Dawson, Danny Rose, Steven Pienaar, Tom Huddlestone, Aaron Lennon all remain sidelined.

As mentioned above I would expect a raft of changes for this game. Harry said last week that Gomes will play, King will be rested obviously. Having Sandro and Gallas back would be a great boost but I wouldn't be risking them if there was any doubt over their fitness, similarly with VDV. Kyle Walker will probably get a rest having played in Greece.

A team along these lines so:

Gomes
Charlie - Bassong - Gallas/Kaboul - BAE
Niko/Giovani - Sandro/Parker - Livermore - Townsend
Pavlyuchenko - VDV/Defoe/Kane

Hatch99

Im hoping our under strength side are good enough to beat stokes understrength side. It will be good to get gallas and sandro involved again. Pav is due a performance, this could be it

yidweiser

Is this match on the box?

Hatch99

yidweiser wrote: »

Is this match on the box?

No, leeds manyoo is on Sky.

Kiith

Doesn't look like it's on any station. Not listed on LOF anyway.

yidweiser

Cheers lads.
Gillette Soccer Special it is then!
Come on Leeds

Leinstersqspur

Gomes; Corluka, Kaboul, Bassong, Assou-Ekotto; Carroll, Sandro, Livermore, Giovani; Van der Vaart, Pavlyuchenko.

Subs: Cudicini, Townsend, Luongo, Ceballos, Falque, Kane, Defoe.

Keep and eye out for some streams, appears commentary only at the moment:

http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/

http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/

Hatch99

cmon pav, your due a goal

Hatch99

commentary on website perfect as always for anyone with no link

Leinstersqspur

Yeah radio only today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_london

Mullo76

Dont need extra time in this.

everdead.ie

Mullo76 wrote: »

Dont need extra time in this.

Kaboul and Benny are the only ones I'm particularily worried about the need to be wrapped in cotton wool glad to see the younger players getting a go though

Mr. Guappa

Mullo76 wrote: »

Dont need extra time in this.

No harm really.. only Kaboul and BAE of the regulars still on of those that started. VDV got an hour and Sandro 70 minutes. Another clean sheet which is great. Gallas played 90 mins in a friendly at Spurs Lodge today btw.

Mr. Guappa

Townsend on for Giovani now.

Mullo76

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

No harm really.. only Kaboul and BAE of the regulars still on of those that started. VDV got an hour and Sandro 70 minutes. Another clean sheet which is great. Gallas played 90 mins in a friendly at Spurs Lodge today btw.

good Gallas got 90 mins alright. In fairness you are right about getting the younger lads a run out but really hope Kaboul and BAE come through ok. We are short on options and cover so need them avail.

ziedth

I personally wouldn't cry if we didn't get through this.

everdead.ie

ziedth wrote: »

I personally wouldn't cry if we didn't get through this.

Wouldn't cry but would still be disappointed always am when we lose.

Pacing Mule

Chance for Gomes to get a bit of confidence if this goes to pens.

everdead.ie

Woohoo penos and seems like no injuries success

davycc

time for penos gomes ftw

Hatch99

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Chance for Gomes to get a bit of confidence if this goes to pens.

model to save one

everdead.ie

1-1 on penos at the mo
Pennant misses
Pav misses

3-2 Townsend and whelan score the second two wilson just put them ahead

3-3 Charlie
4-3 Crouch
4-4 Kaboul
5-4 Etherington I think
5-5 Livermore

Leinstersqspur

Pav is a c*nt!

larry1

Pav :rolleyes:

BERBA

Pav

mickman

Mullo76 wrote: »

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

No harm really.. only Kaboul and BAE of the regulars still on of those that started. VDV got an hour and Sandro 70 minutes. Another clean sheet which is great. Gallas played 90 mins in a friendly at Spurs Lodge today btw.

good Gallas got 90 mins alright. In fairness you are right about getting the younger lads a run out but really hope Kaboul and BAE come through ok. We are short on options and cover so need them avail.

Yet another shocker from pav tonight and then blazes the peno over

Don't ever play him again Harry

Glebee

The sooner Pav goes the better. Hes no benifit to the club as far as I can see.

m.j.w

crouch with last pen

m.j.w

crouch makes it 4-3

Hatch99

cmon younes

Leinstersqspur

good man younes!

BERBA

gomes going the wrong way for every single pen

everdead.ie

6-5 Upson
6-6 Carroll
7-6 Sutton
Luongo misses Stoke through unfortunate a youngster had to miss

larry1

Gomes another great game

Mullo76

thats the end of that then

Hatch99

fcuk it anyway, a possible trip to wembley gone

BERBA

wigan much more important for us next sat , onwards and upwards

gotta flog pav in jan

KingdomYid

Good chance of silverware gone, feck it! Pav can jog on the useless twat.

ziedth

Ah it's a good experience for the young lads and we came through injury free with a clean sheet. If we are to win a cup this season I'd prefer it to be the EL.

Leinstersqspur

I think the commentator summed that up well.
"Don't blame the young debutant for missing, blame Roman Pavyluchenko for his abject penalty, a mile off target!"

He bottled it!

KingdomYid

ziedth wrote: »

Ah it's a good experience for the young lads and we came through injury free with a clean sheet. If we are to win a cup this season I'd prefer it to be the EL.

Better experience if they went through and got a few more games. I reckon in future Harry should forget about giving Pav games and stick a young lad in who will at least try.

Hatch99

KingdomYid wrote: »

Better experience if they went through and got a few more games. I reckon in future Harry should forget about giving Pav games and stick a young lad in who will at least try.

kane

KingdomYid

Hatch99 wrote: »

kane

Exactly! He would want it more. Pav does not give a sh*t at this stage. Hopefully this will put an end to that stupid chant of "Super Pav", I never understood that one myself.

Mr. Guappa

Disappointed not to get through, mainly because it would have been great for the young lads to get another game. At least they will get more opportunities in the Europa League.

Pav :mad: Sounds like he had a poor game and then blows the penalty a mile over. A guy like that should have been a leader in that game tonight, and at least trying to force his way back into the first XI. He can f*ck right off - attitude stinks.

RichMc70

A second string team consisting of youth and disgruntled ex-first team players was only going to end in defeat. My only surprise is that we made it to penalties.

If Redknapp thought that Stoke would do the same then he was deluded. If he just thought 'Ahh fcuk it who care's it's only the league cup' then he's showing a losing mentality. Either way he was wrong.

Maybe he's saving the first choice to win the premiership or possibly the Europa league...oh hang on there...... he's playing the kids in the Europa too....sure it must be the premiership he's after then.

Good luck to stoke, I hope they go on and win it

mushykeogh

RichMc70 wrote: »

A second string team consisting of youth and disgruntled ex-first team players was only going to end in defeat. My only surprise is that we made it to penalties.

If Redknapp thought that Stoke would do the same then he was deluded. If he just thought 'Ahh fcuk it who care's it's only the league cup' then he's showing a losing mentality. Either way he was wrong.

Maybe he's saving the first choice to win the premiership or possibly the Europa league...oh hang on there...... he's playing the kids in the Europa too....sure it must be the premiership he's after then.

Good luck to stoke, I hope they go on and win it

Stoke made seven changes as well so far from their first team. Its not as if we were beaten out the gate, 7-6 on penalties, its a bit of a toss up really when it goes to sudden death. I think Harry thought that starting 11 would have been enough to account for stoke.
I imagine Levy is more interested in 4th place and champions league than any cup competition this year. I would rather clinch fourth and have no trophy than the other way around. Even the FA cup has lost alot of its prestige.
I think its a good move to play the fringe players in these game, the fresher our first team is the better in my opinion.

Still a bit peed off we got knocked out though. Come feb or March we might be grateful of having a midweek free of games?

KingdomYid

Whatever about the Carling Cup, the FA Cup must be taken seriously. It would be disrespectful to our history IMO to not field our strongest team in that competition. Fair enough 4th spot is very important, but there are no trophies or medals for finishing 4th. Football is about winning trophies and playing in finals. Also the FA Cup should not affect our league games as it is played on specific weekends and does not involve 2 games in a week. This is how i feel about it anyway, sorry it is a bit off topic for this thread. COYS

Leinstersqspur

They may have made changes, but they still fielded a strong team, we fielded a second string side. How many premier league games will Townsend, Carroll and Luongo play this season, not many I would guess...

For my twopence, the EPL takes precedence over all competitions, admittedly a good run in a cup competition would be nice...

Will Luka Modric want to stay at Tottenham if we win the Carling Cup but finish 5th in the EPL? Will Sandro be looking at Italian/Spanish clubs next summer if we fail to get into the CL?

The club made a statement by not letting Luka Modric leave this summer, Tottenham are no longer a selling club, Liverpool are, Arsenal are, Tottenham aren't!

We've a new stadium coming down the tracks and the only thing that matters is winning back 'our spot' in the top 4 and playing CL football regularly.

Imagine we finished 3rd and Chelsea finished 4th.... Where would Luka go then;)

SuprSi

I agree with some here in that I'm not too disappointed to lose, especially as it came down to penalties and if you compare the penalty takers on the Stoke team to the Spurs team, you'll see the difference in experience levels. It's good that the young lads get a run out and have the experience of taking pressue penalties - something that will stand to them in later life.

I also agree about Pav. He's had plenty of opportunities in EL and now CC games and hasn't had one decent game. He should have been leading by example last night and for him to miss the penalty, and miss it so badly, putting all the pressure back on the young lads, was just criminal. If he can't be bothered, let someone with hunger take his place, like Carroll.

The FA cup is an important competition but KingdomYid is right in that it takes the place of normal PL games rather than squeezing in alongside the PL and EL games so full teams should be played.

oppiuy

Ive been the biggest supporters of Pav and Gomes for the last few years.
I think we all loved Pav because we could see he had more ability than poor old crouchy, and we were crying out for more. Adebayor comes in and really pushes the standard up, Pav has had 2 games to show some spirit and fire in his belly and at least try and push for a spot in aour front 2. He has been poor both games.
Gomes i still have a soft point for but again last night he made lots of errors. If he could cut them out he would be amazing but hes had enough time.

RichMc70

mushykeogh wrote: »

I think Harry thought that starting 11 would have been enough to account for stoke.

Had it been a PL game he wouldnt have played the same 11. A lack of respect for the competition and the travelling Spurs fans. At least be honest and come out and say he doesnt give a bollox about the league cup.....or the europa league for that matter. If nothing else it would save some clueless fans from spending their hard earned cash on games that Harry deems nothing more than a friendly.

mushykeogh wrote: »

I imagine Levy is more interested in 4th place and champions league than any cup competition this year. I would rather clinch fourth and have no trophy than the other way around.

He wasnt that interested that he'd spend reasonable sums to bring in players who would increase the chances of a top four finish.

mushykeogh wrote: »

Even the FA cup has lost alot of its prestige.

But yet on only three occasions in the last 20 years has teams from outside the top 4/5 won the competition. The glory of winning those finals stay with you forever.....the taking part in the Champions League but going out in knockout stages wears off very soon.



Nothing personal Mushy just my own alternative opinion.