Epidemic of Suicides in Waterford area

decies

I was talking to somebody in the medical business recently,and i was shocked to hear the amount of suicides that is coming through the waterford area recently,young and old ,male and female,often by violent means not that whichever means makes any difference.Just saying these are tough times for people for many reasons.Anybody feeling down do talk to somebody who ever that may be.

abouttobebanned

Good post decies.

The one thing that people forget is that they're not sailing a ship alone. Having problems paying bills? Getting phone calls and threatening letters? You're definitely not the only one. There's boat loads of people in this town that are probably depressed out of their head but are afraid to tell anyone about it. To think that suicide is their only option is absolutely horrendous.

It is easy to talk yourself (or think yourself) into a deeper hole than you're actually in.

inlikeflynn86

Good post.

Its sad to think people believe that suicide is their only option.

There are people willing to listen, I just wish people would just try and talk about it.

ziedth

Someone said to me years ago that it's a permanent solution to a short term problem. It always kind of stuck with me as very good. I'll stick up some links to some prevention websites in your OP when I get a chance decies if you don't mind.

Max Powers

Im skeptical about that first post, is there any stats to prove this, if it is true it could be a factor of a number of things but would need to be
addressed

Faq

I know of a few people in the last year who ended there life's it was never in the media probably to show respect to the family

decies

Max Powers wrote: »

Im skeptical about that first post, is there any stats to prove this, if it is true it could be a factor of a number of things but would need to be
addressed

Am talking to somebody who deals with the consequence of suicide,in the last week or two it is frightening the amount of deaths that are because of this thats all i really have to say,cant give you any cold statistics on the matter.

tankbarry

good post alot of people are under stress at the moment which is obviously leading to suicides. I know of 2 people that tried it lately and 1 that was successful. People getting letters of companies demanding money and threatning them with solicitors, and people are struggling big time to feed themselves.

only recently I got a letter off Vodafone saying I would be going to court and blacklisted for not paying about 8 months of a bill for Mobile Broadband. So I rang the solicitors number that was on the letter. I explained to them that I was not paying the bill and told them why. I also told them that I would be claiming 450 off them for waisting my time by going to court. Have not contacted me in a month. .


I can understand why people would be rightly pissed off with things. I recently walked about 17 miles in 1 go to because I was pissed off with phone calls I was getting off PTSB because they want 374 euro off me. They paid out the money without my consent. When I got back I rang them and said i will pay them 1 euro a week because thats all I can afford.


I never felt sorry for people that would commit suicide but I do now.....

WonderWoman!

The amount of young people that do after LC results is a disgrace

Professey Chin

WonderWoman! wrote: »

The amount of young people that do after LC results is a disgrace

That can be put down to the stupid amount of pressure put on those fcukin exams.
"YOU HAVE TO GET THE POINTS OR YOULL NEVER HAVE A GOOD JOB!"
Absolute horsesh!t. But unless things have changed dramatically in the 8/9 years this attitude is still prevalent instead of letting them know theres a multitude of ways to go on a career path(if you even have one decided which is another piece of pressure put on students) that dont involve memorizing pointless subjects.

seanybiker

3 of my mates done it within the last year

abouttobebanned

Not to get too personal Seany...but do you know any of the reasons behind them? i.e. were they personal things or problems that a lot of people have?

seanybiker

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Not to get too personal Seany...but do you know any of the reasons behind them? i.e. were they personal things or problems that a lot of people have?

Ah they where all personal reasons.

abouttobebanned

Very sad:(

looky loo

Max Powers wrote: »

Im skeptical about that first post, is there any stats to prove this, if it is true it could be a factor of a number of things but would need to be
addressed

There are no accurate statistics on suicide in Ireland, why? because in the case of suicide there is always a post mortem, then an inquest, the result of the inquest is nearly always death by misadventure, why do they do this? for the sake of the families so they can claim life insurance.

parrai

looky loo wrote: »

There are no accurate statistics on suicide in Ireland, why? because in the case of suicide there is always a post mortem, then an inquest, the result of the inquest is nearly always death by misadventure, why do they do this? for the sake of the families so they can claim life insurance.

I would imagine to protect the families involved, but you're correct there should be more attention drawn to it statistically...

Yes Boss

I suppose that it don't help either when Social Workers don't work on weekends or after 5:30. Croke Park anyone :mad:

dayshah

Unfortunately suicide happens in epidemics. If one person does it people get it into their heads to do it.

The Waterford Samaritans number is (051) 872114

Yes Boss wrote: »

I suppose that it don't help either when Social Workers don't work on weekends or after 5:30. Croke Park anyone :mad:

I think its fairly sick that someone would hijack a serious thread like this just to show the chip on their shoulder with the public sector.

Nolanger

Mega Chin wrote: »

"YOU HAVE TO GET THE POINTS OR YOULL NEVER HAVE A GOOD JOB!" Absolute horsesh!t.

Do these kids not realise then can always go to college in a few years as a mature student?

Nypd

It's a sad upward thrend,
They say it takes someone incredibly brave or incredibly selfish to end their own lives.
I can't imagine what is running through their minds.

jluv

I don't think it is someting that any of us can ever understand (the mindset of the person at that perticular moment) but it must be one of the most difficult deaths to recover from for the loved ones left behind. Some good posts here letting people know that they are not alone and should seek someone to speak to. Hope it helps someone who is struggling at the moment..

merlante

I think it's fair to say that most people don't know anything about suicide, but unfortunately it doesn't stop them making all sorts of ridiculous comments about it.

All that really needs to be said is that suicide is the most personal decision of them all. People should not be so quick to preach one thing or another.

ziedth

I don't know did anyone see that secret millionaire show on RTE tonight but it dealt allot with the suicide prevention place in Dublin that people could walk in and talk to someone free of charge. It takes like €1m a year to be raised to run it. Anyway, my point being is there any place like that in Waterford?

dayshah

ziedth wrote: »

I don't know did anyone see that secret millionaire show on RTE tonight but it dealt allot with the suicide prevention place in Dublin that people could walk in and talk to someone free of charge. It takes like €1m a year to be raised to run it. Anyway, my point being is there any place like that in Waterford?

The Samaritans on Beau Street. Its near the fire station. You can walk in there.

They are also fairly innovative in using things like text messaging, and putting their phone number up near the bridge so people will call them rather than jump in the river; and they call out to WIT now and then to give out pens with their number.

Of course, they need our support to be able to support others, so feel free to drop into Beau St to volunteer or with a wad of cash

WonderWoman!

what if you're already a volunteer?

the_syco

looky loo wrote: »

There are no accurate statistics on suicide in Ireland, why? because in the case of suicide there is always a post mortem, then an inquest, the result of the inquest is nearly always death by misadventure, why do they do this?

This has been done for many a year to avoid "bringing shame" to the family, from a time when suicide would be a sin, and I think if you committed suicide, you weren't allowed to be buried in the cemetery?

abouttobebanned

WonderWoman! wrote: »

what if you're already a volunteer?

Don't understand your question

baronflyguy

Thankfully Suicide hasn't darkened my immediate family or friends door and I hope it never does. It is an interesting topic that eventhough is sad and tragic it is good to talk about it and not left as an untalked about topic.

Did anyone see Vincent Browne last week on TV3? they had a guy on it called Kevin Hines. He was very interesting to listen to as a survivor and his perspective of what he was going through.
http://www.kevinhinesstory.com/

- BFG

looky loo

the_syco wrote: »

This has been done for many a year to avoid "bringing shame" to the family, from a time when suicide would be a sin, and I think if you committed suicide, you weren't allowed to be buried in the cemetery?

thankfully this is no longer true, my brother died by suicide four years ago, at the time I was thinking this was still the case but our local priest was wonderful through it all. To any one considering suicide, ask for help, the fallout and destruction to the family left behind is unimaginable. You dont forget, you learn to live with it, but you are left with the question, why didnt he come to me.

abouttobebanned

Very sorry to hear that Looky Loo. The unanswered questions must be horrendous.

looky loo

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Very sorry to hear that Looky Loo. The unanswered questions must be horrendous.

Thank you, If I see him again it will be touch and go whether I hug him or strangle him, probably the hug him though.

He had marraige problems, job problems etc, the perfect storm kind of day when it all got on top of him, at least thats what I can piece together, with suicide you end up like a detective trying to figure out last known movements and events, it would drive you doolally, if you let it.

I try to remember the good and not let that 'one day' define my wonderful brother.

WonderWoman!

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Don't understand your question

wasnt a question really I just wish I could help out more because believe me People really do need the help

I'm already a volunteer though

mozattack

I saw Secret Millionaire last night and it was very good.

One of my best friend's younger sister took her life around ten years ago when she was 19. She did it after her boyfield had done the same thing. It was/is terrible. Also a former school classmate did the same around 5 yrs ago.

But what can be done even with help?

A lot of the current issues will be financial based and it is of little comfort to say to somebody that 'things will be okay, the bank will sell your house and it is okay that you will have to rent for the rest of your life while the bank hound you for the balance and you cant feed your kids or even consider having a second child'

The outlook can be very bleak and I dont see how anyone can help in such circumstances because looking into the future renting a house with little money, no pension and no worth isn't to everyone's liking.

parrai

Nypd wrote: »

It's a sad upward thrend,
They say it takes someone incredibly brave or incredibly selfish to end their own lives.
I can't imagine what is running through their minds.

Absolutely, and no one else can either. I don't think it is fair to judge... Some people are strong enough to take what life throws at them, some are not...but rest assured, there is always light at the end of the tunnel... Just because today is black doesn't mean tomorrow will not be brighter...

merlante

You can be damn sure that the "suicide is the most selfish thing you can do" brigade wouldn't be long getting sick of listening to and supporting the person if they chose to live. They don't kill themselves because of one thing, it's usually (I am guessing) continuous stress or depression, day in day out, an undermining on their self-worth and the inability to change the situation or to see any kind of hope in the future. If we're being honest, nobody has more than a half an hour to give someone who is that down and wants to talk about their problems, let along 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. And even after that half an hour, you'd avoid them for months if you could. It's human nature.

So before you write off so an so as being selfish, think of how long you'd be willing to carry their burden for them, if you could. Not for very long I'd say. It's the person who has to put up with a miserable life the whole time who is the only person who has a right to say whether they live or die. They can't live for their loved ones' sake indefinitely -- at least the ones that do can't -- and we shouldn't be so quick to judge. They're the one group of people you can't interview about the whys and the wherefores but there is no shortage of would-be experts who think they know all about it, or what they would do in the situation. At least you can say one thing about suicides, they don't just waffle on about suicide, they act.

I'm sorry if that sounds rough, but it's risible listening to people go on an on without a clue.

chelloveks

Suicide is a very complicated matter. There are many different reasons why people decide it is better to no longer exist than suffer the agony they endure in life every day. The reason for the suicide is moot....bad health, poverty, loss of stature in the community, drug use, there are an unlimited number of reasons fellow human beings decide it is better to be dead, but the one thing I have to believe is that anyone who does it has lost all hope that things will get better. If you lose that hope you can very easily slide down that slippery slope to the end of a rope.

Suicide prevention is a cure for some and the poster who is already a volunteer has probably save a life or two or even twenty. I commend her and wish I could say I had been as good a person as she has been in giving these folks some hope back. Good for you and keep it up.

1971

There has been sucide going on at a approx rate of 400/380 per year for the last 10/15 years, the goverment of this country ignored these facts.Suicide in the late 80 was rampant with some ever saturday night going in to river, it is not something that can blamed entirely on the current climate.It is something that people in ever country do.
A solution can be found speacally in men by talking, to be able to talk to some one halves the problem.

chelloveks

You are right 1971. Here in the USA there are any number of suicide prevention hotline phone numbers that even advertise on late night tv. Apparently being able to talk through the difficulties can ease the burden and having someone show understanding and compassion for the person feeling suicidal can often stop the act.

I never really thought of it but I have known 4 people in my lifetime that were definitely suicides and a 5th that was ruled accidental and each of these had widely differing sets of circumstances that led up to that persons final day on earth. One was when I was about 15 and a kid I knew took a shotgun and ended his life while wasted on acid. Another was a well respected successful businessman i had worked with peripherally who was laid off from his job and came home from church one Sunday morning and went upstairs and shot himself, another was a junkie we knew who asked all of his acquaintances for bailmoney to get out of jail and when none of us had it he hanged himself, another killed his wife and himself in a murder suicide and the last one was my buddy's dad who was found floating in the East River in NYC down by battery park. He was an alcoholic but a functioning one who owned a successful bar in NY.

My point is that one cannot speculate what goes through a persons mind to do it but all I can say is that when you have no hope I think that is what makes the act a reality. Again, my hats off to the poster who is a volunteer to help these folks have hope.

previous user

seanybiker wrote: »

3 of my mates done it within the last year

Sorry to hear about that, condolences.