The race for fourth

Blatter

Aside from the title race, I'm interested in who will finish 4th. I think most people agree that United, City and Chelsea will probably finish in the top 3. Even if you don't agree with that, you can say which of the three following teams is likely to finish above the other two.

There's three obvious candidates vying for 4th spot. Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham.

Obviously the best way to analyse each team's chances is to comparing their squads. The ability of the respective managers(Wenger, Dalglish and Redknapp) will be the other obvious factor.

Arsenal

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van Persie

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Chamakh

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Young

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Gervinho

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Walcott
Arshavin

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Chamberlain

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Arteta

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Benayoun

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Ramsey

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Wilshere

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Song

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Rosicky

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Diaby

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Frimpong

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Gibbs -- Vermaelen - Mertesacker

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Sagna
Santos - Koscielny ---- Djourou ---- Jenkinson

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Szczesny

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Almunia

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Fabianksi

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Liverpool

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Carroll

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Kuyt

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Bellamy

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Suarez
Downing

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Maxi

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Gerrard

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Adam

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Shelvey

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Henderson

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Lucas

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Spearing

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Enrique

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Agger -- Carragher---

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Johnson
Aurelio

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Skrtel ---- Coates

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Kelly

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Flanagan

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Reina

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Doni

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Tottenham

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Adebayor

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Van Der Vaart

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Defoe

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Pavlyuchenko

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Bale

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Parker

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Modric

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Lennon
Pienaar

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Sandro

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Huddlestone

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Kranjcar

Assou-Ekotto

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Dawson

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King

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Walker
Corluka

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Gallas

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Bassong

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Kaboul
Rose

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Friedel

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Gomes

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Cudicini

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Poll added. Although Liverpool are currently slight favorites, I think Arsenal will nick it with Liverpool and Tottenham fighting it out for 5th.

Who do you think will finish 4th?

bamboozling

Newcastle

Poll is lacking Chelsea.

Blatter

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Poll is lacking Chelsea.

'Other' does exist.

The vast majority of people would agree that Chelsea are unlikely to finish 4th.

bamboozling

Newcastle

Blatter wrote: »

'Other' does exist.

The vast majority of people would agree that Chelsea are unlikely to finish 4th.

I would argue that City, United and Liverpool will finish ahead of Chelsea, in that order.

amiable

Tottenham

Blatter wrote: »

'Other' does exist.

The vast majority of people would agree that Chelsea are unlikely to finish 4th.

I agree with you it's unlikely but not impossible.

IMO Chelsea have started the season adequately.
They'll probably get better as the season goes on and AVB's methods start working.

There is also the small chance that some of the elder statesmen in the dressing room don't take too well to a young manager who's never played pro football how to play.

Having said all that i still think Chelsea will finish top 3:D

Blatter

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I would argue that City, United and Liverpool will finish ahead of Chelsea, in that order.

Fair enough but your opinion would be in the minority, hence the structure of the poll.

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

Pains me to say Liverpool,

I am getting great value out of there recent demise , as being the only non Liverpool fan out of a group of 6-10 good mates.

Baffles me every year the sense of believe there fans have in the team, manager , club.

They will be good this season but I would be surprised to see them any where near the aforementioned candidates for the top 3.

willmunny1990

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I would argue that City, United and Liverpool will finish ahead of Chelsea, in that order.

Whatever about Man City,and United finishing above Chelsea but Liverpool aint gonna finish above Chelsea and its delusional to think so

d22ontour

Tottenham

Too hard to call imo.

When last season ended i thought this season would finish:

1 City
2 Chelsea
3 United
4 Arsenal

Then we had Tevez having his annual family rubbish and Arsenal losing Fab and Nasri then City bought Kun...

When season started i thought :

1 City
2 Chelsea
3 United
4 Liverpool

As Arsenals owners wouldn't give adequate funding but when the transfer window ended...

Manc clubs are setting the pace with Chelsea keeping tabs whilst showing glimpses and Pool with huge amortized signings 'as they now call it' sniffing about.

Any of the presumed top three and the three teams in the poll could go on a win/poor streak to enhance/diminish chances which leads me to think it's too early to call who will do what.

I would probably pick Pool for fourth if the top three were guaranteed to finish there but the Stoke result with them missing glorious chances smacks of previous year failings somewhat so i won't write Arsenal off quite yet.

Not mentioning Spurs as i don't think they will finish higher than sixth.

amiable

Tottenham

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Whatever about Man City,and United but Liverpool aint gonna finish above Chelsea

I'm reading this that you think Liverpool have a better chance of finishing ahead of the 2 Manchester teams that they do Chelsea.
Is that right?

amiable

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Pains me to say Liverpool,

I am getting great value out of there recent demise , as being the only non Liverpool fan out of a group of 6-10 good mates.

Baffles me every year the sense of believe there fans have in the team, manager , club.

They will be good this season but I would be surprised to see them any where near the aforementioned candidates for the top 3.

You believe Liverpool fans shouldn't have faith in Kenny?

Blatter

Liverpool

amiable wrote: »

I'm reading this that you think Liverpool have a better chance of finishing ahead of the 2 Manchester teams that they do Chelsea.
Is that right?

I'd say he means whatever about Bamboozling predicting City finishing ahead of United, it was deluded of him to say that Liverpool will finish ahead of Chelsea.

That's how I read it anyway, it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

willmunny1990

Liverpool

amiable wrote: »

I'm reading this that you think Liverpool have a better chance of finishing ahead of the 2 Manchester teams that they do Chelsea.
Is that right?

Know,i mean City,United would be able to finish above Chelsea but Liverpool wont

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

amiable wrote: »

You believe Liverpool fans shouldn't have faith in Kenny?

No I was not saying that.

Its the yearly travel to the promised land , but time and time again coming home empty handed and then being surprised /gutted about it.

I hear it every season from the lads and a few on here ,

"Looking good for a challenge this year"
" At least , we will win some silver wear"
"Great Squad this season " (Granted this is the first season in a while I would some what agree with it)
The list is endless I could go on al night.

I could post the Boom, bust cycle pic but I am not trying to be antagonistic so I wont but when I seen it I said to myself ,

" Its so true its somewhat tragic"

bamboozling

Newcastle

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Whatever about Man City,and United finishing above Chelsea but Liverpool aint gonna finish above Chelsea and its delusional to think so

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

jaykay74

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

Cracks me up every year without fail

ILikeBananas

Tottenham

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

You must be a Liverpool supporter to have this kind of belief.

You've pointed out one of the main reasons why Liverpool won't finish ahead of Chelsea in your post. Chelsea can churn out victories whilst playing sub-par whereas Liverpool couldn't win ugly.

Masked Man

Liverpool

Chelsea: 10 Points
Liverpool: 7 Points

Yeah we're really under performing especially in relation to Liverpool who have dropped points to the footballing giants that are Stoke and Sunderland.

If your going to talk ****e at least try and be funny or have an argument that has a bit of intelligence in it.

Johner

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

I bet you €100 that Chelsea will finish ahead of Liverpool.

Vurnon San Benito

Newcastle

Clearly Newcastle are winning this so far...

MUSEIST

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

Well the under performing chelsea managed to draw at stoke despite being denied 2 clear penalties and hitting the woodwork.

What is this annual dressing room revolt, I don't recall this happening before. Enlighten me

Man for man chelsea have a better squad with better strenght and depth along with a mix of experience and youth. I see liverpool behind chelsea and I think liverpool have a real battle with spurs for 5th IMO

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

This type of post is what the boom /bust analogy is all about .

You have your red tinted glasses on ,

Stoke play football and play it well at that , delude yourself with the ideas because they are anti football Liverpool lost.

Lost because as a team collectively you were not good enough.

There is some good individuals in the Liverpool side , as a team there not good enough to mount a title challenge, coming in fourth will be a big ask as Arsenal should never be discounted and Spurs show up when you least expect it

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

Johner wrote: »

I bet you €100 that Chelsea will finish ahead of Liverpool.

Il second that bet !

Money where the mouth is and all that

I defo think Chelsea should be in the poll.

MUSEIST

Liverpool

rarnes1 wrote: »

I defo think Chelsea should be in the poll.

In that case utd and city should be there aswell, they have both started well but things can go wrong very quickly.

Fuhrer

Newcastle

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Il second that bet !

Money where the mouth is and all that

Third

pistolpetes11

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

No I was not saying that.

Its the yearly travel to the promised land , but time and time again coming home empty handed and then being surprised /gutted about it.

I hear it every season from the lads and a few on here ,

"Looking good for a challenge this year"
" At least , we will win some silver wear"
"Great Squad this season " (Granted this is the first season in a while I would some what agree with it)
The list is endless I could go on al night.

I could post the Boom, bust cycle pic but I am not trying to be antagonistic so I wont but when I seen it I said to myself ,

" Its so true its somewhat tragic"

Your friends obviously don't have much of a clue tbh :cool:

L'prof

Liverpool

I'm less confident this year than I am most years, but I'm confident Wenger can make it 15/15.

bamboozling

Newcastle

Johner I won't bet 100 euro but I will bet soccer forum access.

Le King

Liverpool

It's between Arsenal and Liverpool. Chelsea, United and City will take the top three, undoubtedly IMO.

Writing off Chelsea is silly. Excluding United for bias reasons, Chelsea have the better defense and City have a better midfield and strikers. But I think if Fernando Torres can hit form he will do serious damage with Chelsea, especially with Mata in the side.

To get to fourth: I think Arsenal have a better defense than Liverpool or Spurs, with Vermaelen fit. I also think their midfield and striker are better than both other clubs. It's just keeping those two guys fit which never happens. If it does happen I can see them finishing fourth reasonably comfortably. I don't think Spurs have a chance really, look a really poor outfit so far this season. I'd say with the likely injuries that Arsenal will get it will be a tight race between themselves and Liverpool. I'd say Arsenal will shade it come May.

amiable

Tottenham

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

No I was not saying that.

Its the yearly travel to the promised land , but time and time again coming home empty handed and then being surprised /gutted about it.

I hear it every season from the lads and a few on here ,

"Looking good for a challenge this year"
" At least , we will win some silver wear"
"Great Squad this season " (Granted this is the first season in a while I would some what agree with it)
The list is endless I could go on al night.

I could post the Boom, bust cycle pic but I am not trying to be antagonistic so I wont but when I seen it I said to myself ,

" Its so true its somewhat tragic"

I know you are not being antagonistic to be honest.:)

But in saying that i haven't heard too much of the stuff you quoted during the past 2 summers.

Granted a few got carried away the summer after Liverpool finished second think ing they could push on but it was always going to be an uphill task losing Alonso.

I'd be very happy if Liverpool managed to finish 4th this season.

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

rarnes1 wrote: »

Your friends obviously don't have much of a clue tbh :cool:

This post says it all really ,

The funny thing is , the fella is not on a wind up , he really believes in what he is saying , and I can assure you there is lot more out there like him.

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm pretty certain Liverpool willl finish above Chelsea. The new signings have settled in really well, and as far as I'm concerned losing to anti-football Stoke is merely a blip.

Chelsea have not performed well and I can see the annual Chelsea dressing room revolt before the season is out.

Liverpool are going to make a serious run at the title and will just tail off towards the end.

4th place will be the battle of the Londoners.

MUSEIST

MUSEIST wrote: »

In that case utd and city should be there aswell, they have both started well but things can go wrong very quickly.

Utd will be top 2 and imo so will city.

The two best squads in the league this season.

Johner

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Johner I won't bet 100 euro but I will bet soccer forum access.

Fair enough, I'll take that bet.

Professional Griefer

Chelsea

Fuhrer wrote: »

Third

Fourth.

Wolfe Tone

Chelsea

If Adebayor plays well, Spurs, especially if they add a few heads(defenders!) in January.

bamboozling

Newcastle

Johner wrote: »

Fair enough, I'll take that bet.

Done and done. The bet is that Liverpool will finish above Chelsea. I say yes, you say no. The bet is soccer forum access.

pistolpetes11

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

This post says it all really ,

The funny thing is , the fella is not on a wind up , he really believes in what he is saying , and I can assure you there is lot more out there like him.

Yeah, bamboozling speaks for all Liverpool fans....

Johner

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Done and done. The bet is that Liverpool will finish above Chelsea. I say yes, you say no. The bet is soccer forum access.

Be sorry to see you go bamboozling.

MUSEIST

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

Done and done. The bet is that Liverpool will finish above Chelsea. I say yes, you say no. The bet is soccer forum access.

Well thats bamboozling gone for next season anyway. Good work johner:D

Professional Griefer

Chelsea

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah, bamboozling speaks for all Liverpool fans....

A lot more =/= all.

We all know each club has those kind of supporters who are too subborn to let things go, and will push things too far.

pistolpetes11

Tottenham

rarnes1 wrote: »

Yeah, bamboozling speaks for all Liverpool fans....

Never said that , I said I can assure you that there is a lot more out there like him

bamboozling

Newcastle

I'm deadly serious, Liverpool have finally got the decent investment they haven't had in years. We have an experienced manager who has won the premier league before. We have the star of the copa america, a big huge tank up front who is waiting to catch fire, Stevie Gerrard is yet to come back, we have width, we have the best goalie in the premiership, we have a host of fine prospects coming through. All is well in the Red Garden at the moment.

We're gonna make a serious stab at the title, just wait and see.

bamboozling

Newcastle

Johner wrote: »

Be sorry to see you go bamboozling.

I've no intention of leaving. Have your bags packed by May Johner me ol chum!

pistolpetes11

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Never said that , I said I can assure you that there is a lot more out there like him

There is, but a small percentage.

http://intepid.com/res/417.gif

amiable

Tottenham

While i do believe Chelsea will finish above Liverpool it's not guaranteed IMO

I wouldn't count your chickens yet boys.

As Jimmy Greaves used to say, It's a funny old game:)

jaykay74

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

We're gonna make a serious stab at the title, just wait and see.

20/1 widely available if you want to make a few quid then. Easy money lad.

d22ontour

Tottenham

Johner wrote: »

Be sorry to see you go bamboozling.

Pretty sure he has many alts lol.

Wolfe Tone

Chelsea

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm deadly serious, Liverpool have finally got the decent investment they haven't had in years. We have an experienced manager who has won the premier league before. We have the star of the copa america, a big huge tank up front who is waiting to catch fire, Stevie Gerrard is yet to come back, we have width, we have the best goalie in the premiership, we have a host of fine prospects coming through. All is well in the Red Garden at the moment.

We're gonna make a serious stab at the title, just wait and see.

"This is our year!"

Good luck with that! I still think pools defense is very suspect. I think Carrol will struggle to score.

Liverpool

As a Gooner, I much prefer it when you lads (all other supporters) write us off tbh. Makes me kinda edgy...

L'prof

Liverpool

bamboozling wrote: »

I'm deadly serious, Liverpool have finally got the decent investment they haven't had in years. We have an experienced manager who has won the premier league before. We have the star of the copa america, a big huge tank up front who is waiting to catch fire, Stevie Gerrard is yet to come back, we have width, we have the best goalie in the premiership, we have a host of fine prospects coming through. All is well in the Red Garden at the moment.

We're gonna make a serious stab at the title, just wait and see.