Micky Harte - at last - a real presidential candidate

N8 · 15-09-2011 9:10pm #1

now here is someone to take the race by the neck

Micky Harte

http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs/could-tyrone-manager-mickey-harte-be-sinn-feins-presidential-candidate-0015858-1

Just perhaps unfortunate to be associated with Sinn Fein but a person with true grit, personality and untainted by politics

blahfckingblah · 15-09-2011 9:25pm

It's just a speculative piece, could be based on the presidential election thread on here for all we know

teol · 15-09-2011 9:33pm

I don't like that he is a Holy Joe or his bitter spate with RTÉ this year. An interesting candidate nonetheless.

Nodin · 15-09-2011 9:36pm

Nothing against him, and normally I'd vote the SF candidate, but I think a candidate with a record of left wing social and political policies would be better to run.

irishh_bob · 15-09-2011 9:38pm

nice man but not someone who broad swathes of the community could identify with , a bit like michael o muirihertaigh in this regard

Manach · 15-09-2011 9:41pm

Normally I'd vote against the SF candidate, and would prefer a candidate with a record of right wing social and political policies. < ie opposite of Nodin

>However, he does seem to a good option for the SF party and Ireland.

The Waltzing Consumer · 15-09-2011 9:48pm

I don't see how he is a real presidential candidate?

Two things spring to mind, one, his religious views, two, that documentary which was made so quickly after his daughter's death that he participated in, very poor taste.

round tower huntsman · 15-09-2011 9:50pm

he's a bit to conservative imo. real rosary bead brigade.

Godge · 15-09-2011 9:52pm

Who is he?

teol · 15-09-2011 9:53pm

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

I don't see how he is a real presidential candidate?

The thing that sprang to mind was that he carried the coffin of the PSNI officer this year. Other than that I don't think he made much of a contribution the country.

hotmail.com · 15-09-2011 10:00pm

How religious is this man?

GSF · 15-09-2011 10:01pm

What is his position on signing legisalation he doesnt agree with personally, his position on referring government legisation to the supreme court and on when to grant dissolutions of the Dail?

Teclo · 15-09-2011 10:07pm

GSF wrote: »

What is his position on signing legisalation he doesnt agree with personally, his position on referring government legisation to the supreme court and on when to grant dissolutions of the Dail?

Questions that could be put to any candidate.

Teclo · 15-09-2011 10:08pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

How religious is this man?

No idea

but...

How gay is David Norris? How left wing is Michael D. Higgins?

hotmail.com · 15-09-2011 10:16pm

Teclo wrote: »

No idea

but...

How gay is David Norris? How left wing is Michael D. Higgins?

Are there varying levels of being gay?

His religious beliefs are important in the context of his rationale.

anymore · 15-09-2011 10:17pm

Godge wrote: »

Who is he?

I am afraid I am a bit like you there other than what I have seen in headlines.

alex73 · 15-09-2011 10:20pm

anymore wrote: »

I am afraid I am a bit like you there other than what I have seen in headlines.

Anyone who does not know Micky Harte is obviously does not follow GAA.

The guy is a Legend.

Hope he runs

GSF · 15-09-2011 10:20pm

Teclo wrote: »

Questions that could be put to any candidate.

Not in a thread called "Micky Harte - at last - a real presidential candidate"

Godge · 15-09-2011 10:21pm

alex73 wrote: »

Anyone who does not know Micky Harte is obviously does not follow GAA.

The guy is a Legend.

Hope he runs

OK, he is the manager of a GAA team, beyond that who is he?

anymore · 15-09-2011 10:23pm

alex73 wrote: »

Anyone who does not know Micky Harte is obviously does not follow GAA.

The guy is a Legend.

Hope he runs

Well I did my duty by playing Football and hurling up to under 21 and then having felt I had done my duty by the national sport - as well as being not very good, I got on with life.

And I stopped watching when the GAA turned professional.

blahfckingblah · 15-09-2011 10:23pm

Godge wrote: »

OK, he is the manager of a GAA team, beyond that who is he?

What do you want people to say, he is the manager of Tyrone. Not really known for much else.

alex73 · 15-09-2011 10:25pm

Godge wrote: »

OK, he is the manager of a GAA team, beyond that who is he?

Irishman, leader, Honest as the day is long. Authentic.

All good qualities for a president.

anymore · 15-09-2011 10:26pm

blahfckingblah wrote: »

What do you want people to say, he is the manager of Tyrone. Not really known for much else.

And is tyrone in Ireland ?

Teclo · 15-09-2011 10:29pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are there varying levels of being gay?

His religious beliefs are important in the context of his rationale.

Where he to become a candidate and asked about his beliefs I'm sure he would be forthcoming. He seems to be a very traditional type of man. I would be surprised if his rationale was in any way alarming.

alex73 · 15-09-2011 10:29pm

anymore wrote: »

And is tyrone in Ireland ?

Thats below the belt... And insulting

teol · 15-09-2011 10:29pm

Godge wrote: »

OK, he is the manager of a GAA team, beyond that who is he?

The only "presidential" thing he has done was carry the coffin of the murdered PSNI officer this year.

This article rules him out for me. He's a religious fruitloop.

GAA hero Mickey Harte has given his support to a controversial campaign to ban contraception, the Irish Daily Mirror can reveal.

Better known for guiding Tyrone to All-Ireland victory, Mickey has turned his attention to the debate over condoms and the pill.

He has given his backing to a book called Who's At The Centre of Your Marriage, The Pill Or Jesus Christ?

It is written by former pharmacist Patrick McCrystal, who claims the use of any contraception can ruin a marriage and that the continued use of condoms only helps spread sexually transmitted diseases.

The father-of-four said: "It's wonderful to have a man like Mickey on board because he's a person who's deeply respected and listened to by many people, young and old. He understands the impor- tance of life and respect within a family and he is happy to be a part of the debate."

Mr McCrystal, who is from Co Tyrone, left a pro-life, anti-abortion movement to work as a volunteer for a religious prayer group and lives on donations from the public, a situation he describes as "providence".

Now he aims to highlight what he describes as the "destructive role" contraception has in marriage. Mr McCrystal started his book when he failed to get a job as a pharmacist because he refused on principle to fill out prescriptions for the pill and the morning-after pill.

He said: "Contraception is the unspoken cause of too much marriage break-up. The battle against contraception is not over so long as one married couple uses it." He joined Mickey yesterday at a meeting to publicise the book at Belfast's Europa Hotel. Mickey said: "I've known Patrick for the past 12 years and he talks a lot of sense.

"It's not trendy or popular to talk about contraception and question its use but I think Patrick presents the argument in a powerful and sensible manner.

"We're exposed to a lot of ideas and we have the freedom to take on board everything or nothing.

"But it's important that Patrick is getting this message across and opening the debate for consideration.

"Ireland has lost a lot of its family values and basic life principles over the last few decades and this is a good time to introduce some very important questions. For me it's about respecting yourself and respecting other people in your life.

"Irish society could do with a move back to what are seen as old-fashioned values and morals."

In line with Vatican

THE beliefs of Mickey Harte and Patrick McCrystal are in line with those of Pope Benedict and the Catholic Church's 1968 publication On Human Life.

It states Catholics are prohibited from using artificial birth control but Mr McCrystal recommends sexual abstinence during a woman's three-day fertile period instead.

CAPTION(S):

CONCERN Mickey Harte

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA'S+HARTE+BACKS+CONDOM+BAN%3B+Hero+supports+controversial+book.(News)-a0196914275

testicle · 15-09-2011 10:30pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are there varying levels of being gay?

You give it, you take it, or you do both, or neither.

alex73 · 15-09-2011 10:32pm

teol wrote: »

The only "presidential" thing he has done was carry the coffin of the murdered PSNI officer this year.

This article rules him out for me. He's a religious fruitloop.

Since when is being a catholic an obstacle to becoming President,, last I heard the current president is a Catholic.?..

DarkJager · 15-09-2011 10:35pm

teol wrote: »

Godge wrote: »

OK, he is the manager of a GAA team, beyond that who is he?

The only "presidential" thing he has done was carry the coffin of the murdered PSNI officer this year.

This article rules him out for me. He's a religious fruitloop.

GAA hero Mickey Harte has given his support to a controversial campaign to ban contraception, the Irish Daily Mirror can reveal.

Better known for guiding Tyrone to All-Ireland victory, Mickey has turned his attention to the debate over condoms and the pill.

He has given his backing to a book called Who's At The Centre of Your Marriage, The Pill Or Jesus Christ?

It is written by former pharmacist Patrick McCrystal, who claims the use of any contraception can ruin a marriage and that the continued use of condoms only helps spread sexually transmitted diseases.

The father-of-four said: "It's wonderful to have a man like Mickey on board because he's a person who's deeply respected and listened to by many people, young and old. He understands the impor- tance of life and respect within a family and he is happy to be a part of the debate."

Mr McCrystal, who is from Co Tyrone, left a pro-life, anti-abortion movement to work as a volunteer for a religious prayer group and lives on donations from the public, a situation he describes as "providence".

Now he aims to highlight what he describes as the "destructive role" contraception has in marriage. Mr McCrystal started his book when he failed to get a job as a pharmacist because he refused on principle to fill out prescriptions for the pill and the morning-after pill.

He said: "Contraception is the unspoken cause of too much marriage break-up. The battle against contraception is not over so long as one married couple uses it." He joined Mickey yesterday at a meeting to publicise the book at Belfast's Europa Hotel. Mickey said: "I've known Patrick for the past 12 years and he talks a lot of sense.

"It's not trendy or popular to talk about contraception and question its use but I think Patrick presents the argument in a powerful and sensible manner.

"We're exposed to a lot of ideas and we have the freedom to take on board everything or nothing.

"But it's important that Patrick is getting this message across and opening the debate for consideration.

"Ireland has lost a lot of its family values and basic life principles over the last few decades and this is a good time to introduce some very important questions. For me it's about respecting yourself and respecting other people in your life.

"Irish society could do with a move back to what are seen as old-fashioned values and morals."

In line with Vatican

THE beliefs of Mickey Harte and Patrick McCrystal are in line with those of Pope Benedict and the Catholic Church's 1968 publication On Human Life.

It states Catholics are prohibited from using artificial birth control but Mr McCrystal recommends sexual abstinence during a woman's three-day fertile period instead.

CAPTION(S):

CONCERN Mickey Harte

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GAA'S+HARTE+BACKS+CONDOM+BAN%3B+Hero+supports+controversial+book.(News)-a0196914275

Instant fail. You can take your old fashioned morals and values and shove them up your hole. Ireland needs to move in to the future, not it's dirty excessively religious past. No vote.

blahfckingblah · 15-09-2011 10:38pm

anymore wrote: »

And is tyrone in Ireland ?

Yes, and is that relevant?

teol · 15-09-2011 10:38pm

alex73 wrote: »

Since when is being a catholic an obstacle to becoming President,, last I heard the current president is a Catholic.?..

Bills come across the desk of the president to be signed. Will he sign them?? Will he represent all sections of Irish society? His views are out of touch with modern day Ireland.

leggo · 15-09-2011 10:43pm

I don't mean to be that guy who points out the unfortunate obvious, but the only thing that has springboarded him to the kind of public recognition where he could conceivably stand is the tragic death of his daughter. At least the other, non-political candidates nominated and touted have credible backgrounds elsewhere (Sean Gallagher in business/charitable work, Gay Byrne with the NRA etc). Being a GAA man is only an interesting aside.

Mickey Harte is a man that deserves respect, without a doubt. But a Presidential Campaign would do him no favours and Irish people would not be conned into giving him a sympathy vote. Especially when we're ultra-suspicious of who we're ticking in the ballot sheets these days to begin with. 10 years ago, maybe.

I hope he declines before his old-fashioned views (which he has every right to have) see him mauled because someone else gave him bad advice.

alex73 · 15-09-2011 10:43pm

teol wrote: »

Bills come across the desk of the president to be signed. Will he sign them?? Will he represent all sections of Irish society? His views are out of touch with modern day Ireland.

He he decides to run i suppose we will hear his views... But just because he is religious does not mean he can't represent ireland, the current President goes to mass... Did not stop her host orange celebrations in aras,

Teclo · 15-09-2011 10:44pm

teol wrote: »

Bills come across the desk of the president to be signed. Will he sign them?? Will he represent all sections of Irish society? His views are out of touch with modern day Ireland.

What makes you think any other president would not have problems with various bills from a different perspective? Are those with religious beliefs the only people in society who will act according to their principles?

teol · 15-09-2011 10:56pm

That article is revealing. What person would agree with this statement:

It is written by former pharmacist Patrick McCrystal, who claims the use of any contraception can ruin a marriage and that the continued use of condoms only helps spread sexually transmitted diseases.

...
...
Mickey said: "I've known Patrick for the past 12 years and he talks a lot of sense.

:eek:

Nodin · 15-09-2011 10:58pm

teol wrote: »

The only "presidential" thing he has done was carry the coffin of the murdered PSNI officer this year.

This article rules him out for me. He's a religious fruitloop.

That article sort of confirms my worst fears, tbh. I can't see him wanting to run for a party that supports gay marriage either.

N8 · 15-09-2011 11:01pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

His religious beliefs are important in the context of his rationale.

As one might suppose are non spiritual / ammoral / athesist / sceptic / materialistic views are important also???

teol wrote: »

Bills come across the desk of the president to be signed. Will he sign them?? Will he represent all sections of Irish society? His views are out of touch with modern day Ireland.

really? as out of touch with whom? Oldie grandiose with unknown nasty views higgins, nasty and exclusive checking out your children 'ham actor' norris, the ff den dragon, smug anti ireland mitchell and the hoping to capitalise on the same forename mary, mary davis?

anymore wrote: »

And is tyrone in Ireland ?

No its Russian terrority just north of Kerry

Micky Harte is probably the only candidate so far without skeletons in his closet unlike any of the others

As I stated at last a credible candidate unlike the others.

Ham actor - quoted from the Herald.ie

teol · 15-09-2011 11:02pm

alex73 wrote: »

He he decides to run i suppose we will hear his views... But just because he is religious does not mean he can't represent ireland, the current President goes to mass... Did not stop her host orange celebrations in aras,

I did say I respected him for carrying the coffin of the PSNI officer and helping the GAA and PSNI reconcile. But his social and religious views are stuck in the dark days of the 1960s. Also, IIRC he was always a moaner. Constantly moaning about referee decisions and the like.

Bodhisopha · 15-09-2011 11:03pm

Godge wrote: »

Who is he?

Singer-songwriter, represented Ireland at the eurovision a few years ago. Didn't do too well iirc.

Wolfe Tone · 15-09-2011 11:12pm

Doubt it will be him.

hotmail.com · 15-09-2011 11:15pm

Doesn't he have a uni-brow?

Corkfeen · 15-09-2011 11:16pm

I'm sort of surprised that so many people actually consider Harte to be such a viable candidate. It's just absurd to be honest. The presidential campaign is slowly become a spinoff of Irelands got Talent.

DarkJager · 15-09-2011 11:18pm

Corkfeen wrote: »

I'm sort of surprised that so many people actually consider Harte to be such a viable candidate. It's just absurd to be honest. The presidential campaign is slowly become a spinoff of Irelands got Talent.

Exactly, it's like a popularity contest at this stage. I won't vote for any of them though, there isn't a single person running for it I have any interest in seeing get a bigger house. Bunch of nobodies and bogger celebrities to be honest.

Sir Oxman · 15-09-2011 11:18pm

I'd be disappointed if SF went down that route - they should stand one of their own.

Godge · 15-09-2011 11:20pm

alex73 wrote: »

Irishman, leader, Honest as the day is long. Authentic.

All good qualities for a president.

Yeah, but I know about twenty of my acquaintances who would fit that description which means there are probably about 100,000 in Ireland equally irish, a leader, authentic and honest as the day is long. In fact, the only difficult thing to be in that list is a leader. So what makes Mickey Harte special more than those 100,000?

blahfckingblah · 15-09-2011 11:41pm

Godge wrote: »

Yeah, but I know about twenty of my acquaintances who would fit that description which means there are probably about 100,000 in Ireland equally irish, a leader, authentic and honest as the day is long. In fact, the only difficult thing to be in that list is a leader. So what makes Mickey Harte special more than those 100,000?

its about what he has over the other candidates, a likability factor

hotmail.com · 15-09-2011 11:45pm

blahfckingblah wrote: »

its about what he has over the other candidates, a likability factor

What he did with the RTE thing damaged any likeability factor he had!

The man is against contraception and it's 2011! Not to mention the hillbilly, uni-brow look.

blahfckingblah · 16-09-2011 12:08am

hotmail.com wrote: »

What he did with the RTE thing damaged any likeability factor he had!

The man is against contraception and it's 2011! Not to mention the hillbilly, uni-brow look.

hey i'm just saying why i think people will support him

DarkJager · 16-09-2011 12:14am

blahfckingblah wrote: »

hotmail.com wrote: »

What he did with the RTE thing damaged any likeability factor he had!

The man is against contraception and it's 2011! Not to mention the hillbilly, uni-brow look.

hey i'm just saying why i think people will support him

I don't think he would have a quarter of the support some people think he would. There are plenty of people who couldn't give a **** about gaa, and wouldn't see any reason to vote for him. Besides that, an overly religious viewpoint such as the bull**** about contraception is coming at a very bad time. Religion and it's ideas are not very popular right now, quite the opposite.

KeithAFC · 16-09-2011 12:20am

Martin McAleese should get it perhaps. Pretty good with the peace process lark.

Richard Hillman · 16-09-2011 12:28am

alex73 wrote: »

Irishman, leader, Honest as the day is long. Authentic.

All good qualities for a president.

Would Mick McCarthy and Declan Kidney also be good presidential candidates?

How about BOD for president

Micky Harte - at last - a real presidential candidate

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