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cycle route - Grand Canal
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15-09-2011 8:27am#1
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petethedrummer wrote: »
Anyone know of a good gating system that lets bikes in and keeps mopeds out?
In England they use "A-Frame" gates:
The narrow opening restricts moped handlebars.
There is something similiar at Islandbridge in Dublin
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Islandbridge%2FTurnstiles,+Dublin,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=53.348252,-6.308057&spn=0.000006,0.003449&sll=53.308704,-6.25695&sspn=0.117543,0.220757&vpsrc=6&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=53.348264,-6.307929&panoid=5tlsH7Al3qAaWTmy8xub8Q&cbp=12,5.9,,1,12.010 -
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RacoonQueen wrote: »I just get off and lift it over
Not always possible.
http://dutchbikeshop.ie/blog
Aside from a gate-free path, I'm not sure what the solution is for non-standard bikes/trikes.0 -
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Doctor Bob wrote: »Not always possible.
http://dutchbikeshop.ie/blog
Aside from a gate-free path, I'm not sure what the solution is for non-standard bikes/trikes.
I wouldn't be in favour of a gate-free path. Perhaps something like the following would be suitable for non-standard bikes.
(taken from this document http://archive.defra.gov.uk/rural/documents/countryside/prow/illegaluse-cs13.pdf)0 -
Yeah, making it practically unusable seems a high price to pay for stopping scooters and horses. As you say, you can stop cars while easily allowing trikes to pass. I don't think an aperture wider than a trike would be needed.
Seems a very high price to pay when it does not stop horses.
I cycled the route a few weeks back and, as I posed before, within 30mins I spotted at least five different groups of horses on the path. They spent a lot on the gates and then got cheap when it came to not putting in proper walls or fences along some stretches of the route.
For the record: None of them got in my way and the harm they were doing seemed mostly limited to natural littering of the path. 0 -
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Not much anti-social behaviour, I use it everyday for part of my commute. Have heard of a few incidents in the afternoons, none in the mornings as it's quiet. I don't mind the gates, same as stopping at lights really. Nice to ride on a quiet route with no cars.
How is dismounting and getting a bike passed a gate not designed for bikes the same as stopping at lights? 0 -
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What exactly is the actively CCTV for if it can't be used to limit and police motorbike uses?
Why is there a need for gates between sections? Why did they not secure sides of the route correctly?
From the Cycle Infrastructure Design by the UK Department of Transport. The NTA's cyclemanual.ie has nothing on it...
My highlighting and my comments in square brackets...8.14 Access control
8.14.1 Barriers at cycle route access points are commonly provided to prevent entry by cars and vans etc. They become more of a problem for cyclists when designed to exclude motorcycles. ***Motorcycle barriers should only be introduced after a definite need has been established*** [this was never done on any part of the Grand Canal route!], because measures that reliably exclude motorcycles invariably exclude some cyclists, including users of tricycles, cycle trailers and handcranked cycles. Wheelchairs and mobility scooters will also be excluded. Dismounting to manoeuvre a cycle with an occupied child seat through barriers can be hazardous.
8.14.2 Measures to control motorcycles are only as good as the weakest point in the route boundary [loads of weak points within barriers] – if fencing can be breached, access barriers will have little or no effect. If potential misuse by motorcyclists is raised as an issue during the consultation stage of a new project, it might be better to set capital funds aside to cover the cost of barriers, should they prove necessary, and monitor the scheme in operation. If concerns are found to be justified, funds will therfore be available to address them.
8.14.3 Arrangements may be required to accommodate wheelchair users to comply with the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. A common method for allowing wheelchairs to bypass access controls is to install a gate equipped with a RADAR (Royal Association for Disability and Rehabilitation) lock. These locks can be opened with a key purchased from RADAR. However, this may still result in loss of access to some types of bicycle and tricycle, and many disabled people will not have a key.
8.14.4 Bollards are the preferred method of access control for larger vehicles, spaced a minimum of 1.2 metres apart, preferably 1.5 metres. For an additional deterrent effect, they can be installed as two staggered rows with a minimum 1.2 metres between rows (see Figures 8.5 and 8.6). Bollards should ideally be placed at least 5 metres from any bend or junction, so that riders can approach them straight on. Bollards can be hazardous on unlit routes and at sites where forward visibility is restricted by the layout or by other users.
8.14.5 Where motor vehicle access is required for maintenance, removable bollards or a selfclosing gate for pedestrians and cyclists adjacent to a locked main gate can be used. Selfclosing gates can also be used where gates are required to prevent livestock escaping. If there is a series of gates in close succession it may be preferable to fence off the cycle route to reduce the need for users to stop and start. This also reduces the likelihood of gates being left open. Specially designed cattle grids are available for use on cycle tracks and footpaths.
8.14.6 Barriers with a wheelchair bypass are commonly used. They offer access for unladen solo bicycles and will deter most motorcyclists (see Figure 8.7). This type of barrier can cause problems for cyclists with panniers, laden tandems, tricycles, child trailers and some types of mobility scooter and is therefore unsuitable for long distance recreational routes [The Grand Canal is a recreational route in its self and is part of a much longer route]. The low barriers can damage cycle wheels or cause a fall if a rider fails to line up properly on approach. They may also create a trip hazard for blind or partially sighted users
8.14.7 Aframe barriers (Figure 8.8) permit ordinary cycles, tandems and most wheelchairs to pass, but they need to be carefully installed to ensure they operate as intended. They exclude some powered wheelchairs, mobility scooters and many types of bicycle trailer. [the ones used are in ways worse than A-framed barriers as they are lower and block panniers)
8.14.8 Where access controls are next to a carriageway they need to be set back far enough to accommodate likely users. For example, a family group waiting for others to pass through the controls could require a space 5m long to ensure all are clear of the carriageway.
8.14.9 Conventional kissing gates can be altered to accommodate solo cycles and wheelchairs but will invariably exclude most nonstandard bikes including trailer bikes, trailers, tandems, tricycles and many cycles adapted for disabled users. They are not generally recommended on cycle routes.
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