RTE's coverage of the worlcup

Richie..Galway

is it just me or does anyone else think we're being stiffed on the coverage of the 2011 Rugby world cup. i just sat through a whopping half hour show in which they sqeezed in a conversation about latest news from the
Irish team and then showed highlights of todays three games.
I thought a highlight would include when a team scores some points but the editor obviously thinks that we don't need to see all of the scores because everytime they skipped ahead someone had added a few points but they didn't show us how they got them. The champions leage is on now and there will be 3-4 hours of matches and highlights on. the rugby world cup comes around every 4 years and yet the coverage is rubbish, thank goodness for UTV who have at least dedicated a full hour to their highlights show tonight, I'll look forward to that show anymore, RTE no thanks.It makes me wonder why i pay my t.v licence.

gooch2k9

Don't see why they didn't show the Scotland match this morning, not like it was on at a bad time, they would have got good ratings.

JustinDee

You get what you pay for. Setanta won tv rights hence showing all games. Same with ITV.

Skid

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Don't see why they didn't show the Scotland match this morning, not like it was on at a bad time, they would have got good ratings.

They don't have the rights to it.

Setanta or ITV is the place to go for the bulk of the live matches

Richie..Galway

JustinDee wrote: »

You get what you pay for. Setanta won tv rights hence showing all games.

this isn't an argument about RTE not showing all of the games, it's an argument about them only dedicating a poxy half an hour highlights show to each full day of the rugby world cup and not even showing half of the highlights. it's pathetic

JustinDee

It is about rights. What they show is part of their deal. Same with Fox and Channel 9 in Australia.

gooch2k9

Skid wrote: »

They don't have the rights to it.

Setanta or ITV is the place to go for the bulk of the live matches

Aye annoying though! ITV didn't have it on this morning either, pity we don't get the coverage level of the soccerball.

The highlights are available on the www.rugbyworldcup.com after the game and the full game replay is available after 24 hours OP.

mossyc123

Delighted I have Setanta Ireland on my basic tv package... absolutely miles ahead of RTE.

Show every game, proper analysis, no hyperbole or dramatics and significant highlights programme every night (The Breakdown).

Anyone who has it i'd recommend abandoning the rambling McGurk and the drama queen Hook and watch on Setanta instead.

thomond2006

Richie..Galway wrote: »

this isn't an argument about RTE not showing all of the games, it's an argument about them only dedicating a poxy half an hour highlights show to each full day of the rugby world cup and not even showing half of the highlights. it's pathetic

RTE are most likely satisfying most of the demand with just a half an hour show. Most casual rugby fans might be happy enough with that.

If you're someone who wants in depth coverage, that's what Setanta is for.

Richie..Galway

JustinDee wrote: »

It is about rights. What they show is part of their deal. Same with Fox and Channel 9 in Australia.

you're missing the point mate they did a deal and while doing that deal someone from RTE shook hands on a half hour hightlights show at 6:30 or 7pm. Someone in RTE thought that this was a fair amount of coverage for one of the biggest competitions on earth. why didn't they do a deal for a hour show the tight B*******.

Richie..Galway

thomond2006 wrote: »

RTE are most likely satisfying most of the demand with just a half an hour show. Most casual rugby fans might be happy enough with that.

If you're someone who wants in depth coverage, that's what Setanta is for.

so when you sit down to watch highlights of Ireland vs Germany or whoever in the next soccer world cup and when they skip on the few mins as they do in a highlights show will you be happy when the do the skip that the scores have changed and they didn't bother to show you lol. all I wanted was to see all of the scores in todays games , as a licence holder thats not much to ask in one of the largest competitions in the world.

JustinDee

Richie..Galway wrote: »

you're missing the point mate they did a deal and while doing that deal someone from RTE shook hands on a half hour hightlights show at 6:30 or 7pm. Someone in RTE thought that this was a fair amount of coverage for one of the biggest competitions on earth. why didn't they do a deal for a hour show the tight B*******.

I'm not missing anything. They got what they paid for. Obviously not in their budget to outbid what Setanta put in the pot.

MungBean

JustinDee wrote: »

I'm not missing anything. They got what they paid for. Obviously not in their budget to outbid what Setanta put in the pot.

Your saying they dont have the rights to host an hour long program ? Course they do, they have rights to show highlights but they decided not to show full highlights and confine it all to a half hour program.

I agree, I think they could have pushed the boat out to a full hour. Theres very little you can fit into a half hour show and the fact that they had to cut scores to fit in some analysis shows that. No problem with the fact that they were outbid and cant show games live, thats the way it is but thats no reason to all but ignore everything but the Ireland games.

phog

Personally speaking, if RTE has money to spend on rugby coverage I'd much prefer it to spend it on showing Irish/Provincial/Club matches than covering games with no Irish representation.

MungBean

phog wrote: »

Personally speaking, if RTE has money to spend on rugby coverage I'd much prefer it to spend it on showing Irish/Provincial/Club matches than covering games with no Irish representation.

Yeah but you know its not a matter of WC vs Club. Skimping on world cup coverage doesnt affect club coverage one bit. And its the world cup whether Ireland is involved or not a decent bit about each days games should be shown.

On a day where theres one match like tomorrow or Friday then a half hour is fine but you cant fit highlights of 3 matches with analysis into a half hour show and have it anyway decent.

ArmaniJeanss

30 minutes for 3 games was fairly bad scheduling alright, I don't see why one of their 6pm-7pm soaps couldn't have been cancelled and a 60 minute highlights program put on.

It's not going to be much of an issue again as there is only one other weekday with more than one match (Can v Jap, Italy v USA on Tues 27th), so the half hour should normally suffice with either 60 or 90 minutes at the weekend.

Richie..Galway

i suppose we should be used to it by now, the world athletics championships wer on a few weeks ago aswell and I watched all our Irish atheletes run over on channel 4.

Fr Tod Umptious

thomond2006 wrote: »

RTE are most likely satisfying most of the demand with just a half an hour show. Most casual rugby fans might be happy enough with that.

If you're someone who wants in depth coverage, that's what Setanta is for.

Spot on.

Rugby in Ireland is a bandwagon and most 'fans' would not be interested in what happens to teams other than Ireland or to taems other than Irish ones in European competitions.

Therefore a 30 highlighs show featruring Canada, Scotland, Namibia, etc is sufficent.

If you want more get Setanta or use the inteweb.

JustinDee

There is no need to italicise the word 'fan'.
No supporter or person involved in a game is more worthy than another. A season-ticket holder and an occasional attendee of a provincial game? The same. Club supporter v provincial supporter v international supporter? The same.

Fr Tod Umptious

JustinDee wrote: »

There is no need to italicise the word 'fan'.
No supporter or person involved in a game is more worthy than another. A season-ticket holder and an occasional attendee of a provincial game? The same. Club supporter v provincial supporter v international supporter? The same.

sorry, my point was that 30 mins highlights show is probably enough to satisfy demand whne Ireland are not playing.

I did not intent to offentd fans of any type.

JustinDee

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

sorry, my point was that 30 mins highlights show is probably enough to satisfy demand whne Ireland are not playing.

I did not intent to offentd fans of any type.

No worries! Sorry if that post came across as a lecture. Just yapping, thats all.

Digifriendly

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Aye annoying though! ITV didn't have it on this morning either, pity we don't get the coverage level of the soccerball.

The highlights are available on the www.rugbyworldcup.com after the game and the full game replay is available after 24 hours OP.

ITV did have Scotland match live as they have rights to all matches live - majority on ITV1 and some like Russia vs USA on ITV4. Regarding ITV highlights - do they show all the tries? First programme only showed a few and certainly not all the tries.

Timothy Bryce

The punditry last night was shocking...

Shaggy was never going to lambaste his colleagues and tell it like it is - i.e. D'Arcy a lucky b@stard to be starting, Heaslip's been quiet as a mouse, Sexton had a mare against USA etc.

Frankie Sheehan's only contribution to logical discussion on the sport is limited to the performances of the respective hookers on show, as well as having the Munster goggles firmly attached to his face.

IMO RTE should try and get Bernard Jackman for midweek games - he never seems to have issue throwing dangerous comments about Leinster/Munster/Ulster players as well as selection policies.

OldRio

Lets be honest. A highlights show for 30mins for 3 matches and a chat about Ireland is shocking.
Its not about 'who bought the rights' Its about highlights.

They seem to have no problem clearing their schedule when some team, not from this country, is playing Association Football.

JustinDee

OldRio wrote: »

Its not about 'who bought the rights' Its about highlights

Its about rights.

OldRio wrote: »

They seem to have no problem clearing their schedule when some team, not from this country, is playing Association Football.

They bought the rights so broadcast accordingly. With the rugby, they have limited coverage so limited highlights.

footie_fanatic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8o9KyFxppY



This is where it's at but if you havent been watccheing their coverage you will not get it :P

footie_fanatic

i think the issue isnt with the rights, if they buy rights for Tonga v canada you get the rights, whether you show 10 or 20 mins of coverage, the issue is schedulling and the fact they RTE can't move the soaps ( bigger advertising revenue) the issue is they wont just show highlights at 9 or 10 at night, But in all fairness the best coverage is by far and away on Setanta.

OldRio

JustinDee Quote:
Originally Posted by OldRio
Its not about 'who bought the rights' Its about highlights

Its about rights.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OldRio
They seem to have no problem clearing their schedule when some team, not from this country, is playing Association Football.

They bought the rights so broadcast accordingly. With the rugby, they have limited coverage so limited highlights.

Limited highlights?????
They told us they would be a 'full highlight package'

So I have a choice to believe that Setanta are only allowing them to show every other try. Or maybe 1 in 3 conversions. OR

Someone in RTE deciedes not to show every point in the 3 games covered.

Digifriendly

OldRio wrote: »

So I have a choice to believe that Setanta are only allowing them to show every other try. Or maybe 1 in 3 conversions. OR

Someone in RTE decides not to show every point in the 3 games covered.

No problem with not showing every point but they and ITV should show every try in their highlights' programmes.

Kayless

whats the RTÉ live coverage like? are the RTÉ match commentators any good?

dregin

The official world cup app has highlights for every game. Not sure about the RWC site, since it insists that I install MS Silverlight to view video and well... LOL to that.

gooch2k9

dregin wrote: »

The official world cup app has highlights for every game. Not sure about the RWC site, since it insists that I install MS Silverlight to view video and well... LOL to that.

The RWC site has good highlights and full game replays after 24 hours, something to watch in college:p

icdg

RTÉ had an hour long slot for the highlights last Friday and Saturday, an hour and half last Sunday, it'll have an hour and half long slot on Saturday and an hour on Sunday this weekend. Obviously there is no restriction on the length of the highlights slot if that is that case.

Its very understandable last night that it was half an hour, they had to fit in a live football match, highlights of the other Champions League games, and the GAA programme "The Committee Room" all before 11:30pm last night. I would have thought they could have dropped Home and Away (as they did last Friday) but obviously not.

.ak

icdg wrote: »

RTÉ had an hour long slot for the highlights last Friday and Saturday, an hour and half last Sunday, it'll have an hour and half long slot on Saturday and an hour on Sunday this weekend. Obviously there is no restriction on the length of the highlights slot if that is that case.

Its very understandable last night that it was half an hour, they had to fit in a live football match, highlights of the other Champions League games, and the GAA programme "The Committee Room" all before 11:30pm last night. I would have thought they could have dropped Home and Away (as they did last Friday) but obviously not.

Drop Home and Way!? Are you flamin' mad?! STREWTH!!

InTheTrees

just thank god you're not in the usa.

It seems they're only showing the us games, and its stuck away on a non-HD cable channel nobody gets.

fryup

Is George Hook being bullied????

Were you watching RTE's coverage on saturday morning, you could sense a certain tension ..... its no secret that McGurk and Hook don't get on but apart from that ..Brent Pope was acting the twat mimicing Hooks hand gestures and scoffing at everything he said.

Another thing i notice is that Pope never looks at Hook when he's making a point always ignores him, he glances at Sheahan/O'Shea and mcgurk but never Hook.

At the end of the coverage there was definite body language coming from them and Hook looked out in the cold.

jamesore

fryup wrote: »

Is George Hook being bullied????

Were you watching RTE's coverage on saturday morning, you could sense a certain tension ..... its no secret that McGurk and Hook don't get on but apart from that ..Brent Pope was acting the twat mimicing Hooks hand gestures and scoffing at everything he said.

Another thing i notice is that Pope never looks at Hook when he's making a point always ignores him, he glances at Sheahan/O'Shea and mcgurk but never Hook.

At the end of the coverage there was definite body language coming from them and Hook looked out in the cold.

It does seem like Hookie is being bullied a little. Frankie should not be there at all. He is a players agent and just calls on Munster players all of the time. Brent does nothign just sit there but O'Shea is good. O'Shea gets on well with Hook and was missed. Also think Hookie was put out that Frankie talks a lot of crap and was given too much air time. And as for that 1/2 time burst when Sheahan interupted George. Dont know where that came from. Frankie put on hi twitter that he feels he rightly deserves a place on the panel. Over my dead body he does. If he does I am off to ITV.

bossa_nova

jamesore wrote: »

It does seem like Hookie is being bullied a little. Frankie should not be there at all. He is a players agent and just calls on Munster players all of the time. Brent does nothign just sit there but O'Shea is good. O'Shea gets on well with Hook and was missed. Also think Hookie was put out that Frankie talks a lot of crap and was given too much air time. And as for that 1/2 time burst when Sheahan interupted George. Dont know where that came from. Frankie put on hi twitter that he feels he rightly deserves a place on the panel. Over my dead body he does. If he does I am off to ITV.

To be fair to Frankie the other morning, he was actually grand, non of the players that he's representing are there and there wasnt any real bias towards anyone, and he was spot ontalking about how we should be using the scrums to but the Aussies under pressure

marco_polo

fryup wrote: »

Is George Hook being bullied????

Were you watching RTE's coverage on saturday morning, you could sense a certain tension ..... its no secret that McGurk and Hook don't get on but apart from that ..Brent Pope was acting the twat mimicing Hooks hand gestures and scoffing at everything he said.

Another thing i notice is that Pope never looks at Hook when he's making a point always ignores him, he glances at Sheahan/O'Shea and mcgurk but never Hook.

At the end of the coverage there was definite body language coming from them and Hook looked out in the cold.

I get the impression that the rest of the panel are sick of him too TBH, as the occasiona valid points he may make are made redundant because he exaggerates everything to the extreme. At the moment it you would swear Heaslip who is the worst number 8 in worlld rugby, but in the recent past it has been Sexton, and before that it was Bowe and BOD who was not up to international class and washed up respectively.

Wheeker

I posted this in the "George Hook- time to be pensioned off?" thread, but I suppose it's about the RTE panel generally & I should have posted here:

Wheeker wrote: »

Yup- that's about it for me. I'm not going to criticise him saying the Aussies are the more skilful side, they are or at least should be when playing well :P For him to say at half-time that it was a terrible match was just bulls**t.

However, as a fan at home, I just found it all such a huge let-down when we went from Donal Lenihan (IMO a fantastic co-commentator, almost hoarse with cheering on this historic win) back to the RTE studio in Dublin.

The panel seemed half-asleep, McGurk just kept going down the line of how they had all written Ireland off, Pope just kept making excuses for doing so, Frankie was upbeat but clueless (where was O'Shea when you needed him?) & Hook genuinely seemed depressed that Ireland had won :mad: Even when Hook faintly praised Ireland he just looked so down about it. In short, the RTE panel really took the shine off what is, without doubt, our best ever win in a World Cup.

Digifriendly

I saw RTE highlights last night and I'm almost certain it was Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes on commentary for the England game. Am I mistaken as surely they're back here commentating with Sky for the Aviva Premiership are they not?

theKramer

I have watched the World Cup on Setanta. As much as I cant stand Franno for being a smug arrogant b@st@rd, I infinitely prefer him to Hook.

Its a lot more technical as well compare to the RTé analysis. It would be nice to have an extra pundit in there for Setanta, but they probably dont have the moolah for that...

fryup

theKramer wrote: »

I have watched the World Cup on Setanta. As much as I cant stand Franno for being a smug arrogant b@st@rd, I infinitely prefer him to Hook.

he's got a constant smirk on his face

theKramer wrote: »

Its a lot more technical as well compare to the RTé analysis. It would be nice to have an extra pundit in there for Setanta, but they probably dont have the moolah for that...

i wish they did have a third person, cause sometimes its like eavesdropping into a private conversation between two people

totallegend

Digifriendly wrote: »

I saw RTE highlights last night and I'm almost certain it was Miles Harrison and Stuart Barnes on commentary for the England game. Am I mistaken as surely they're back here commentating with Sky for the Aviva Premiership are they not?

Barnes is over there working for Sky New Zealand afaik, not sure about Harrison

philstar

fryup wrote: »

Were you watching RTE's coverage on saturday morning, you could sense a certain tension ..... its no secret that McGurk and Hook don't get on but apart from that ..Brent Pope was acting the twat mimicing Hooks hand gestures and scoffing at everything he said.

they're slowing turning into caricatures of themselves:cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDD8UbN4WCI

KELTICKNIGHTT

Being watching world cup coverage on itv channels,better coverage than rte

Digifriendly

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Being watching world cup coverage on itv channels,better coverage than rte

Obviously as ITV have all matches live. Better comparison would be between Setanta and ITV.

KELTICKNIGHTT

Digifriendly wrote: »

Obviously as ITV have all matches live. Better comparison would be between Setanta and ITV.

not interested in comparison between setanta and itv
as dont have setanta

bamboozle

bossa_nova wrote: »

To be fair to Frankie the other morning, he was actually grand, non of the players that he's representing are there and there wasnt any real bias towards anyone, and he was spot ontalking about how we should be using the scrums to but the Aussies under pressure

no time for Frankie after he called for Hayes & Horan to be brought to NZ during one of the warm up matches, Hook had to sort him out with a classic 'take off your red jersey frankie'

ITV coverage is dull as dishwasher,

Hugh Cahill is doing a great job as comintator for RTE, miles better than Hamilton or nugent. I'm even warming to Lenihan.

JustinDee

bamboozle wrote: »

ITV coverage is dull as dishwasher

Game, qualified commentary and more-than-qualified panel with not one attention-seeker on board is dull?
Not for me.

bamboozle

JustinDee wrote: »

Game, qualified commentary and more-than-qualified panel with not one attention-seeker on board is dull?
Not for me.

as i said dull as dishwater, what you may find exciting others may find dull. I find it very like sky, they're all too scared to say anything overly critical.