Sinn Féin Ard Fheis Delegates Survey Results

PomBear

Interesting results here, survey was conducted by the Belfast Telegraph:

KeithAFC

So what does it tell us?

Foghladh

A survey conducted amongst whom?

Hannibal

It tells us that SF delegates trust Peter Robinson more than Enda Kenny

A Primal Nut

Some interesting things there. For example, more people believe there will be a United Ireland within 20 years, than would vote for a United Ireland tomorrow. I'm surprised any Sinn Fein people would vote no to a United Ireland, or would be unsure. For the yes voters for keeping the border - perhaps their vote for a United Ireland is dependant on it being Socialist, which is why they would vote no for now?

KeithAFC

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Some interesting things there. For example, more people believe there will be a United Ireland within 20 years, than would vote for a United Ireland tomorrow. I'm surprised any Sinn Fein people would vote no to a United Ireland, or would be unsure. Strange for Sinn Fein? For the yes voters for keeping the border - perhaps their vote for a United Ireland is dependant on it being Socialist, which is why they would vote no for now?

They ain't going to get it in 20 years either. I am baffled by this survey. This must be a mistake? Is this a wind up or something?

40% have no opinion when it comes to the PSNI? What on earth is that about? Would have thought at least 90% would have a view on it. Be it yes or no. To have no opinion?

Sunnyisland

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Some interesting things there. For example, more people believe there will be a United Ireland within 20 years, than would vote for a United Ireland tomorrow. I'm surprised any Sinn Fein people would vote no to a United Ireland, or would be unsure. For the yes voters for keeping the border - perhaps their vote for a United Ireland is dependant on it being Socialist, which is why they would vote no for now?

If there was a border referendum tomorrow and the options were, keeping the border for the foreseeable future or forming a united Ireland in 2012,which way would you vote ?Yes for the border 5%////// for a united Ireland in 2012 89%

Did i get that right ?

Sunnyisland

Foghladha wrote: »

A survey conducted amongst whom?

Sinn fein ard fheis delegates .

A Primal Nut

realies wrote: »

If there was a border referendum tomorrow and the options were, keeping the border for the foreseeable future or forming a united Ireland in 2012,which way would you vote ?Yes for the border 5%////// for a united Ireland in 2012 89%

Did i get that right ?

Yep that's the survey said. 1 in 10 Sinn Fein delegates either aren't sure or wouldn't vote for a United Ireland? That's strange, right?

93% being certain about a United Ireland within 20 years seems a bit high as well.

The Waltzing Consumer

KeithAFC wrote: »

40% have no opinion when it comes to the PSNI? What on earth is that about? Would have thought at least 90% would have a view on it. Be it yes or no. To have no opinion?

Yeah that and the Garda question have similar results, it does read very odd.

Sunnyisland

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Yep that's the survey said. 1 in 10 Sinn Fein delegates either aren't sure or wouldn't vote for a United Ireland? That's strange, right?

93% being certain about a United Ireland within 20 years seems a bit high as well.

Strange enough ok.



Not on the UI No, just a bit hopefull :-) .

dlofnep

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Yep that's the survey said. 1 in 10 Sinn Fein delegates either aren't sure or wouldn't vote for a United Ireland? That's strange, right?

Not really. It doesn't state that they wouldn't vote for a united Ireland - It states that they would not remove the border tomorrow. IE: Requiring that the groundwork is layed down first (fixing the economy, etc..), before ending partition.

Foghladh

Does anybody happen to know the breakdown of the delegates by location? Not specifically of course but by NI vs ROI?

blahfckingblah

Wow thats an interesting survey, the questions are very badly written I think, does anyone have a link to the article?

Alopex

KeithAFC wrote: »

They ain't going to get it in 20 years either. I am baffled by this survey. This must be a mistake? Is this a wind up or something?

40% have no opinion when it comes to the PSNI? What on earth is that about? Would have thought at least 90% would have a view on it. Be it yes or no. To have no opinion?

Its not a straight forward "do you support the psni" - it asks how they'd respond to a close relative joining.

I'm a Protestant Unionist/Ulster nationalist and if my close relative was joining I don't know how I'd respond. I don't want my relatives putting their lives at risk but I'd also like to support them. So maybe I'd say "no opinion"

This is a belfast telegraph survey. They wanted controversial results. They're always dicks like that.

KeithAFC

Alopex wrote: »

Its not a straight forward "do you support the psni" - it asks how they'd respond to a close relative joining.

I'm a Protestant Unionist/Ulster nationalist and if my close relative was joining I don't know how I'd respond. I don't want my relatives putting their lives at risk but I'd also like to support them. So maybe I'd say "no opinion"

This is a belfast telegraph survey. They wanted controversial results. They're always dicks like that.

I know but this is Sinn Fein. Not really the police loving type.

Good to see an Ulster nationalist.

Foghladh

Alopex wrote: »

Its not a straight forward "do you support the psni" - it asks how they'd respond to a close relative joining.

I'm a Protestant Unionist/Ulster nationalist and if my close relative was joining I don't know how I'd respond. I don't want my relatives putting their lives at risk but I'd also like to support them. So maybe I'd say "no opinion"

This is a belfast telegraph survey. They wanted controversial results. They're always dicks like that.

The figure against a close relative joining the Gardai is even higher though, if marginally. I would have thought the risks to life and limb as a member of the police were slightly lower down south of the border. Is it a general distrust of all police forces?

Alopex

Foghladh wrote: »

The figure against a close relative joining the Gardai is even higher though, if marginally. I would have thought the risks to life and limb as a member of the police were slightly lower down south of the border. Is it a general distrust of all police forces?

Its the other way around

Wolfe Tone

Foghladh wrote: »

The figure against a close relative joining the Gardai is even higher though, if marginally. I would have thought the risks to life and limb as a member of the police were slightly lower down south of the border. Is it a general distrust of all police forces?

AGS were hardly best pals with republicans, in the "league of harassment" some members ranked as high as their RUC colleagues. Then you have parents who wouldn't want their kids in such a dangerous job who would discourage them, it is a dickish question, a simple "do you support" would have sufficed.

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Any more detail on that survey? Numbers polled etc? Did they just stand outside and ask people as they came out? I'm surprised at how many would encourage their kids to join the PSNI.

DUP are more trustworthy than the blueshirts? Jayzus.

Alopex

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

DUP are more trustworthy than the blueshirts? Jayzus.

And both far more trusted than SDLP :D:D

Foghladh

Alopex wrote: »

Its the other way around

I don't get ya I'm afraid

Alopex

Foghladh wrote: »

I don't get ya I'm afraid

1% more would encourage joining the garda (46%) than the psni (45%). Its miniscule anyway

Foghladh

Alopex wrote: »

1% more would encourage joining the garda (46%) than the psni (45%). Its miniscule anyway

I'm a pessimist so I was looking at the discourage side of things As you said it's miniscule anyway.

Wolfe Tone

Alopex wrote: »

And both far more trusted than SDLP :D:D

Tbf I wouldn't trust Margaret Richie to do anything right!

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

AGS were hardly best pals with republicans, in the "league of harassment" some members ranked as high as their RUC colleagues. Then you have parents who wouldn't want their kids in such a dangerous job who would discourage them, it is a dickish question, a simple "do you support" would have sufficed.

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Any more detail on that survey? Numbers polled etc? Did they just stand outside and ask people as they came out? I'm surprised at how many would encourage their kids to join the PSNI.

DUP are more trustworthy than the blueshirts? Jayzus.

Such as Garda McCabe? who according to some republicans was a notorious harasser of republicans

Nodin

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Tbf I wouldn't trust Margaret Richie to do anything right!

Well, she is resigning....

blahfckingblah

junder wrote: »

Such as Garda McCabe? who according to some republicans was a notorious harasser of republicans

this thread isn't about that please read over the last sinn fein thread that people succeeded in getting locked if that interests you

HellsAngel

KeithAFC wrote: »

They ain't going to get it in 20 years either. I am baffled by this survey. This must be a mistake? Is this a wind up or something?

1969 – (Stormont) Unionists 67.4% Nationalists 18.8%
2010 – ( Westminister) Unionists 50.6% Nationalists 41.9%
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/issues/politics/election/electsum.htm

The occupation of the six counties has a decade or two only left. If we can wait 8 centuries that time will fly by

Alopex wrote: »

I'm a Protestant Unionist/Ulster nationalist and if my close relative was joining I don't know how I'd respond. I don't want my relatives putting their lives at risk but I'd also like to support them. So maybe I'd say "no opinion"

KeithAFC wrote: »

I know but this is Sinn Fein. Not really the police loving type.

Good to see an Ulster nationalist.

Why do 'Ulster' nationalists not want to see Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan reunited with the rest of the province

HellsAngel

It should be pointed out that visitors, non party observers also took part in the survey. No surprise that more people trust Peter Robinson than trust Ritchie. Hardly surprising seeing as she and especially her predecessor John Hume held back Irish nationalism for more than 20 years.

Alopex

HellsAngel wrote: »

Why do 'Ulster' nationalists not want to see Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan reunited with the rest of the province

I would gladly accept them into an independent Ulster if they so wished. However I do not believe there is any appetite for that in those counties. If Northern ireland left the UK and merged with the republic there would most certainly be an appetite for independence among Ulster Scots and other Unionists in the six counties of Northern Ireland. Which is commonly referred to as Ulster

See you're still playing the same record with your survey results. You got that on permanent copy and paste?

dlofnep

Alopex wrote: »

I would gladly accept them into an independent Ulster if they so wished. However I do not believe there is any appetite for that in those counties.

There wasn't an appetite at partition in Fermanagh and Tyrone either. That never stopped you

blahfckingblah

HellsAngel wrote: »

Why do 'Ulster' nationalists not want to see Monaghan, Donegal and Cavan reunited with the rest of the province

I think a huge majority of us in Monaghan Donegal and Cavan dont want an independant ulster :D

Nodin

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I think a huge majority of us in Monaghan Donegal and Cavan dont want an independant ulster :D

or maybe people could go for
http://youtu.be/pVjNPNNxySc

blahfckingblah

north eastern ulster and south west (and little bit of north) ulster?

Coillte_Bhoy

HellsAngel wrote: »

It should be pointed out that visitors, non party observers also took part in the survey. No surprise that more people trust Peter Robinson than trust Ritchie. Hardly surprising seeing as she and especially her predecessor John Hume held back Irish nationalism for more than 20 years.

So it wasnt a scientific poll then? Has about as much weight as a poll on a radio phone in.

KeithAFC

Alopex wrote: »

I would gladly accept them into an independent Ulster if they so wished. However I do not believe there is any appetite for that in those counties. If Northern ireland left the UK and merged with the republic there would most certainly be an appetite for independence among Ulster Scots and other Unionists in the six counties of Northern Ireland. Which is commonly referred to as Ulster

See you're still playing the same record with your survey results. You got that on permanent copy and paste?

I would be right behind them. All Ulster men should be free from Dublin.

blahfckingblah

big bad dublin eh?

Sunnyisland

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would be right behind them. All Ulster men should be free from Dublin.

And all Irishmen should be free from london.

dashboard_hula

The abortion question was a bit out of left field...is that a current issue in NI? I mean is it lately, I know it's a general issue.

Lord TSC

Sinn Fein delegates in supporting Sinn Fein beliefs shocker?

At first, I thought this was a general poll, conducted over a bigger sample and range of people, but if it's just Sinn Fein delegates...

Well, surely this would be like asking Priests if they like Jesus?

LordSutch

realies wrote: »

And all Irishmen should be free from london.

But all Irish men are free from London, (as are all Irish women). If you mean that Northern Ireland with its own devolved Parliament is still not free enough, then I presume you crave a total break from London & the Barnett Formula?

Is that realistic?

Iwasfrozen

LordSutch wrote: »

But all Irish men are free from London, (as are all Irish women). If you mean that Northern Ireland with its own devolved Parliament is still not free enough, then I presume you crave a total break from London & the Barnett Formula?

Is that realistic?

All nationalists in the North are Irish.

LordSutch

correct

Iwasfrozen

LordSutch wrote: »

correct

So all irish people aren't free from London. Some are still being ruled by said English capital.

thebman

realies wrote: »

And all Irishmen should be free from london.

And I should be free from the all the other people that want to be free from all the other people :P

I'm so sick of living with people that agree with me on all but one or two issues that I have blown the importance of all out of the water because of historical issues that are no longer present today :P

Alopex

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Sinn Fein delegates in supporting Sinn Fein beliefs shocker?

At first, I thought this was a general poll, conducted over a bigger sample and range of people, but if it's just Sinn Fein delegates...

Well, surely this would be like asking Priests if they like Jesus?

Sometimes I think the Belfast Telegraph is owned by Chris Morris

PomBear

LordSutch wrote: »

But all Irish men are free from London, (as are all Irish women). If you mean that Northern Ireland with its own devolved Parliament is still not free enough, then I presume you crave a total break from London & the Barnett Formula?

Is that realistic?

Not really, guessing you didn't hear of the last Tory budgets?

LordSutch

Realistically could Dublin replicate the annual budget provided by London to maintain Northern Ireland?

Coillte_Bhoy

KeithAFC wrote: »

All Ulster men should be free from Dublin.

Why?

A Primal Nut

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would be right behind them. All Ulster men should be free from Dublin.

Don't worry; no chance of that happening. Its much more important for us Ulster men to be free from that bunch of incest-ridden posh Germans you call your Royal Family.

KeithAFC

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Don't worry; no chance of that happening. Its much more important for us Ulster men to be free from that bunch of incest-ridden posh Germans you call your Royal Family.

Well 3 counties of Ulster are.

Back to Sinn Fein, and perhaps some Sinn Fein supporters here can answer me this. When will Sinn Fein tell their supporters when they think a referendum on a United Ireland will happen because I have been reading posts from the last few days and a lot of people thought Gerry Adams and his speech was just a lot of vague nonsense designed to boost the ego of all the Republicans/Nationalists in the room and lacked substance.

They say at one point he was basically saying Brits out and it is this illogical view politically which is baffling. He quoted James Connolly apparently and used his the Brits have no right in Ireland and never had any right and so on. But yet he is the leader of a party which is administrating rule in Northern Ireland.

Sinn Fein would be seen as traitors to Republican ideals and Connolly would not look at them in a good light. If Gerry had laid out a plan on when he will try and get a referendum in Northern Ireland for a United Ireland, it would have really helped because from what I have read and from what I have seen of his speech (not all of it admittedly) is he has not laid this out to his supporters.

Anyone who would have been sitting on the fence in regards to Sinn Fein or a United Ireland would not really have been greatly inspired by his speech and people are saying it was a lost chance for him to get some substance into his speech.

It is all well and good talking about the Orange state, disbanding this and disbanding that, but when it comes down to it, surely the only thing people are interested in is what is the future laid in black and white and how Sinn Fein expect to win over hundreds of thousands of Protestant/Unionist votes because he hasn’t told us that.

If by reaching out means inviting a reverend to have a laugh and dance around and be nice, then it really isn’t good enough in the broad scheme of things from a political view point. So I would like to know what Sinn Feins tactic will be?

Will they go into the shadows more when it comes to band parades? Will they avoid being seen to be dabbling in PIRA support to not annoy some Protestants who might be annoyed with it? Everyone can have their personal and political beliefs but most of us aren’t the leader/s of a political party. So do they need to be seen to be putting the PIRA praise on a backburner? I don’t see how that would help getting more Protestant and Unionists to unite with Republicans and vote for a United Ireland.

Perhaps a Sinn Fein supporter can answer some of those questions?