J4/J5 2011-12

Guy:Incognito

Fixtures out for this seasons J4. Super 6 format stays apart from section C , straight home and away there.

Section A:
Pool 1: http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/27239/phase1_pool1

Pool 2: http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/27241/phase1_pool2

Section B:
Pool 1: http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/27243/phase1_pool1

Pool 2: http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/27245/phase1_pool2

Section C:

http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinsterNew/league/27247/section_c




I'm likeing the look of the pools this year, seem to be better set up. We seem to be in with teams of relative equals this time round (two years ago when we were in it last we had a torrid time of it, though it was our finish season of having a 2nd team). Our first team have moved on to Leinster League this year.

mikedragon32

Who are the Kilkenny Normans? I did a google and the first hit was a link to an article citing you guys as one of the biggest clubs in the country! :-p I think our J5 are playing them this coming weekend.

Also, any sign of the J5 fixtures?

Guy:Incognito

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Who are the Kilkenny Normans? I did a google and the first hit was a link to an article citing you guys as one of the biggest clubs in the country! :-p I think our J5 are playing them this coming weekend.

Also, any sign of the J5 fixtures?

Yeah our 3rd's (made up of lads who are less commited shall we say ) lost out narrowly to them in a friendly a few months back. Was nice to be seen as one of the bigger clubs in Irish Rugby

Think they were only set up late last year.

Was surprised to see them there tbh. Are they not a bit far out for Metro? Dont think they'd be up to competing in Leinster League though. Maybe when they have a couple of years of competitive rugby behind them.

Whats the story with the Warriors this year, just realising they are missing. EDIT, just noticed from the other thread they are entering J5 this year.

hugh2006

I think the above links are out of date as there are going to be 2 teams from St. Marys in the J4 League this year. The same team from last year in J4 Section A & last years J5 champions who will be in J4 Section C.

There will also be a St. Marys team in the J5 league.

Hope they sort out the website soon.

hugh2006

hugh2006 wrote: »

I think the above links are out of date as there are going to be 2 teams from St. Marys in the J4 League this year. The same team from last year in J4 Section A & last years J5 champions who will be in J4 Section C.

There will also be a St. Marys team in the J5 league.

Hope they sort out the website soon.

Website updated
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinster/league/27501/section_c

Tim Robbins

Here's one for you. Who'd do you think would win from a J2 leinster league team and J4 metro section-A team?

Most (not all) of the Leinster league teams have a seconds and thirds. The seconds play in J2 leinster league and the thirds play in regional J3 leagues.

hugh2006

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Here's one for you. Who'd do you think would win from a J2 leinster league team and J4 metro section-A team?

Most (not all) of the Leinster league teams have a seconds and thirds. The seconds play in J2 leinster league and the thirds play in regional J3 leagues.

It depends who stacks their team more!

Guy:Incognito

hugh2006 wrote: »

Website updated
http://sportsmanager.ie/cake/rugby/leinster/league/27501/section_c

Better with an even number of teams, no need for anyone to sit out a weekend.

Can a mod edit the link in the OP, cheers.

2nd Row Donkey

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Here's one for you. Who'd do you think would win from a J2 leinster league team and J4 metro section-A team?

Most (not all) of the Leinster league teams have a seconds and thirds. The seconds play in J2 leinster league and the thirds play in regional J3 leagues.

Hey Tim,

If I understand you correctly, you reckon Metro J4 Section A teams are of a similar level to Leinster J2 teams...

The reason I ask is because Tallaght's 1st XV have left the Metro J4 league and are playing Leinster J3 this year.

We finished 2nd to an extremely good Sutton team in Metro J4 last year (section C i think), and I understood that leinster J3 was a step up for us but it sounds more like a side-ways move if I understand you correctly.

Tim Robbins

2nd Row Donkey wrote: »

Hey Tim,

If I understand you correctly, you reckon Metro J4 Section A teams are of a similar level to Leinster J2 teams...

The reason I ask is because Tallaght's 1st XV have left the Metro J4 league and are playing Leinster J3 this year.

We finished 2nd to an extremely good Sutton team in Metro J4 last year (section C i think), and I understood that leinster J3 was a step up for us but it sounds more like a side-ways move if I understand you correctly.

Ah... the level I am talking about is actually the second league for Leinster. Dundalk, Edenderry, Skerries etc all have their 1sts in the Leinster League and their seconds in a "seconds" league.

Samich

Isn't J4 not a really low standard?

Our tiny club play J1?

Eoin

Samich wrote: »

Isn't J4 not a really low standard?

Our tiny club play J1?

Not always - you'll often see players at J4 who would be more than capable of playing J1, but don't for whatever reason (or do, under a different name!). You get young players coming up from U21 and older players finishing up who no longer want to commit to the training that "higher" up teams often require.

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Who are the Kilkenny Normans? I did a google and the first hit was a link to an article citing you guys as one of the biggest clubs in the country! :-p I think our J5 are playing them this coming weekend

They're a new enough team, we played them last year. They're based just outside of Thomastown. It's a tough place to find - you have to drive across 2 or 3 fields to get to the pitch and a few cars needed a hand getting out - and that was on a dry day. I'd have big concerns if a player required an ambulance.

mikedragon32

Eoin wrote: »

Not always - you'll often see players at J4 who would be more than capable of playing J1, but don't for whatever reason (or do, under a different name!). You get young players coming up from U21 and older players finishing up who no longer want to commit to the training that "higher" up teams often require.



They're a new enough team, we played them last year. They're based just outside of Thomastown. It's a tough place to find - you have to drive across 2 or 3 fields to get to the pitch and a few cars needed a hand getting out - and that was on a dry day. I'd have big concerns if a player required an ambulance.

They've moved to a new pitch apparently, not sure where though.

Lost 7-0 last weekend to them with our J5 squad. Big strong pack, like to play around the fringes of the breakdown. Didn't help that we were reffed off the park either, but they were having a good grumble about him too! I don't think most J4 teams would have much issue with them. Good sound blokes too.

Eoin

Hope they've got somewhere handier; it'd be good for them have some decent grounds. We put a few points on them last year, but it was at home for us and in the middle of the 6N and they had problems getting a team together on the day. Seemed liked really sound lads.

Eoin

Anyone else playing their first league game of the season tomorrow? We (Seapoint) have De la Selle at home.

Eoin

Seapoint 49 - DLSP 17. Feeling very sore now.

Eoin

Here are all the results from the Leinster J4 sections:

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 1:
Blackrock College RFC 24, Clondalkin 18;
Coolmine 22, St Marys College RFC 38;
Greystones 25, Wanderers 7;

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 2:
Terenure College RFC 11, Old Belvedere 17;
Lansdowne 25, Clontarf 22;
NUIM Barnhall A 46, Stillorgan 12;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 1:
UCD 66, Dublin University 0;
CYM 7, Newbridge 15;
NUIM Barnhall B 0, A.I.B 22;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 2:
Seapoint 49, De La Salle Palmerston 17;

Leinster J4 League Section C:
Millmount House 10, Tallaght 5;
St Marys College RFC B 22, Unidare 21;
Malahide 14, Railway Union 14;

Gracelessly Tom

This weekends fixtures.....

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 1

Clondalkin vs Greystones
St Marys College RFC vs Blackrock College
Wanderers vs Coolmine

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 2

Clontarf vs Terenure College
Old Belvedere vs NUIM Barnhall A
Stillorgan vs Lansdowne

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 1

A.I.B vs UCD
Dublin University vs CYM
Newbridge vs NUIM Barnhall B


Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 2

De La Salle Palmerston vs Navan
Monkstown vs Seapoint
Swords vs Guinness

Leinster J4 League Section C

St Marys College RFC B vsTallaght
Millmount House vs Railway Union
Malahide vs Parkmore
Normans vs Unidare

LeinsterDub

Bus trip down to Normans tomorrow, not particularly looking forward to it. Now the bus on the way back

Guy:Incognito

Marys - Tallaght game is on at 8 tonight.

Eoin

Seapoint 80 - 6 Monkstown. I think Monkstown were struggling for numbers last night but still turned up today. Dont want to sound patronising but they could easily have just cancelled instead so fair play.

Pudsy33

anyone play for the Marys j4s? Just wondering about the guy who was taken off in an ambulance against tallaght on friday. Hope he's ok.

stephen_n

We using this as a j5 thread too or should I start a separate one for that?

Eoin

This one is hardly drowning in posts! I'd post here and ask a mod to rename the thread.

Ste_D

Eoin wrote: »

This one is hardly drowning in posts! I'd post here and ask a mod to rename the thread.

You're a mod

Eoin

Ste_D wrote: »

Eoin wrote: »

This one is hardly drowning in posts! I'd post here and ask a mod to rename the thread.

You're a mod

Not of this forum!

RuggieBear

thread name amended

Gracelessly Tom

Pudsy33 wrote: »

anyone play for the Marys j4s? Just wondering about the guy who was taken off in an ambulance against tallaght on friday. Hope he's ok.

Yeah, he's ok now. It ends up he has snapped the a/c ligament so there's no broken bone but still 6-12 weeks on the recovery front. If you know the Stones student doctor tell him cheers for the help on Sat!

GavMan

What happened with Mary's J4 last Saturday Vs. Greystones?

Underpowered Mary's??? No way they should be losing to Greystones 54-0

mjquinno

guiness j4 lost to navan the weekend 20 - 30. we had 14 men for most of the match due to injury and 13 for a 10 min for sin bin.

Fair play to navan, hopefully we can get revenge on our home game. Enjoyable match.

M

Gracelessly Tom

GavMan wrote: »

What happened with Mary's J4 last Saturday Vs. Greystones?

Underpowered Mary's??? No way they should be losing to Greystones 54-0

Nope, we were almost full strength. Two lads out but the replacements are just as good. Stones were very very strong. We never even made it into their 22!

Eoin

Here are the full results from last weekend.

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 1:
Wanderers 12, Clondalkin 8;
Greystones 54, St Marys College RFC 0;
Coolmine 23, Blackrock College RFC 20;

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 2:
Old Belvedere 24, Clontarf 15;
Terenure College RFC 36, Stillorgan 12;
NUIM Barnhall A 31, Lansdowne 10;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 1:
Dublin University 7, A.I.B 50;
UCD 34, Newbridge 0;
CYM 3, NUIM Barnhall B 27;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 2:
De La Salle Palmerston 33, Monkstown 0;
Seapoint 76, Swords 0;
Navan 30, Guinness 20;

Leinster J4 League Section C:
Parkmore 37, Millmount House 5;
Unidare 13, Malahide 32;
Tallaght 0, Railway Union 23;
St Marys College RFC B 44, Normans 5;

Leinster J5 League:
Terenure College RFC 37, St Marys College RFC 5;
Clontarf 12, Emerald Warriors 7;
De La Salle Palmerston 0, Clondalkin 22;
Bective Rangers 13, Stillorgan 3;

I was playing against Swords; unfortunately they could only get 13 players, hence the scoreline.

stephen_n

Have only played a total of 26 minutes of Rugby this season and with my inability to train or make a lot of matches due to college i'd say most of the season will be like that. We have a fairly big squad this year which is brilliant considering we lost 4 or 5 of our main players from last year! So since I'm not training and not fit it will be hard to get game time and that's only fair but I hate being stuck on the sideline! Was so frustrating against Clontarf last week. A game we should have won and I don't think the tarf lads would disagree. Ref was awful and I think he ended up frustrating both teams with his inconsistent and unintelligible calls but refs don't decide games and we really should have put that one away in the first half!

Looks like Terenure are the team to beat at the moment but still loads of games to be played yet! Think it will be better for us to play J5 to than getting well beaten playing J4 as was shown last week we need to learn how to win games when we are in control!

GavMan

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Nope, we were almost full strength. Two lads out but the replacements are just as good. Stones were very very strong. We never even made it into their 22!

Wow. I have to say that is a shock result IMO.

'Stones must have 'found' a few players as their results previously haven't been as outstanding as that

Gracelessly Tom

GavMan wrote: »

Wow. I have to say that is a shock result IMO.

'Stones must have 'found' a few players as their results previously haven't been as outstanding as that

Trust me, we were just as shocked!! We knew it'd be a very tough match but nothing like as tough as it proved.

Strongest team at J4 level I've seen in a long while....

noital

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Nope, we were almost full strength. Two lads out but the replacements are just as good. Stones were very very strong. We never even made it into their 22!

I heard Marys went out with only 15 players, and then had at least 1 carted off injured in the game?

Stones had the same team against Clondalkin bar on of the centres. There are 3 lads that they have got out this year that probably are a higher standard, but they only train once a week and can only play saturdays.

Its still mostly the same group of lads from last season.

chris85

stephen_n wrote: »

Have only played a total of 26 minutes of Rugby this season and with my inability to train or make a lot of matches due to college i'd say most of the season will be like that. We have a fairly big squad this year which is brilliant considering we lost 4 or 5 of our main players from last year! So since I'm not training and not fit it will be hard to get game time and that's only fair but I hate being stuck on the sideline! Was so frustrating against Clontarf last week. A game we should have won and I don't think the tarf lads would disagree. Ref was awful and I think he ended up frustrating both teams with his inconsistent and unintelligible calls but refs don't decide games and we really should have put that one away in the first half!

Looks like Terenure are the team to beat at the moment but still loads of games to be played yet! Think it will be better for us to play J5 to than getting well beaten playing J4 as was shown last week we need to learn how to win games when we are in control!

I wouldn't agree. you got a try inside 5 mins and nothing for the rest of the game. and this despite being camped on our line a few times. bad ref calls for us too.

stephen_n

chris85 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree. you got a try inside 5 mins and nothing for the rest of the game. and this despite being camped on our line a few times. bad ref calls for us too.

Did you miss the rather large part of my post that said refs don't decide games and he was equally inconsistent to both teams because I'
Kind of confused by your response? Or would you not agree that we could have and should have won the game if we took our chances?

chris85

stephen_n wrote: »

chris85 wrote: »

I wouldn't agree. you got a try inside 5 mins and nothing for the rest of the game. and this despite being camped on our line a few times. bad ref calls for us too.

Did you miss the rather large part of my post that said refs don't decide games and he was equally inconsistent to both teams because I'
Kind of confused by your response? Or would you not agree that we could have and should have won the game if we took our chances?

Our defence prevented the chances been taken also. we defended well most of the game and that's all i am saying. wouldn't agree you deserved to win. was tight game but we took our chances and defended well. But you have the home tie to make amends later in the year.

stephen_n

chris85 wrote: »

Our defence prevented the chances been taken also. we defended well most of the game and that's all i am saying. wouldn't agree you deserved to win. was tight game but we took our chances and defended well. But you have the home tie to make amends later in the year.

That's rugby everyone will have different opinions watching games.

chris85

stephen_n wrote: »

chris85 wrote: »

Our defence prevented the chances been taken also. we defended well most of the game and that's all i am saying. wouldn't agree you deserved to win. was tight game but we took our chances and defended well. But you have the home tie to make amends later in the year.

That's rugby everyone will have different opinions watching games.

exactly. i look forward to nthe away tie.

stephen_n

chris85 wrote: »

exactly. i look forward to nthe away tie.

sure it's only a skip up the road for you's lol home fixtures are away for me!:)

centrevet

Malahide 30 St Mary's 26....

Eoin

Full results from the weekend:

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 1:
Clondalkin 10, St Marys College RFC 33;
Blackrock College RFC 38, Wanderers 29;
Greystones 52, Coolmine 0;

Leinster J4 League Section A - Pool 2:
Clontarf 43, Stillorgan 3;
Lansdowne 16, Old Belvedere 11;
Terenure College RFC 33, NUIM Barnhall A 12;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 1:
A.I.B 23, Newbridge 0;
NUIM Barnhall B 20, Dublin University 14;
UCD 37, CYM 0;

Leinster J4 League Section B - Pool 2:
Monkstown 7, Swords 42;
Guinness 41, De La Salle Palmerston 5;
Seapoint 22, Navan 8;

Leinster J4 League Section C:
Normans 6, Tallaght 11;
Malahide 30, St Marys College RFC B 26;
Railway Union 24, Parkmore 5;

Leinster J5 League:
Clondalkin 3, Terenure College RFC 16;
Stillorgan 12, De La Salle Palmerston 16;
Emerald Warriors 7, Bective Rangers 20;
St Marys College RFC 5, Clontarf 34;

Gracelessly Tom

noital wrote: »

I heard Marys went out with only 15 players, and then had at least 1 carted off injured in the game?

Stones had the same team against Clondalkin bar on of the centres. There are 3 lads that they have got out this year that probably are a higher standard, but they only train once a week and can only play saturdays.

Its still mostly the same group of lads from last season.

We only had 1 sub for our first two games so that had nothing to do with the result. The injury occured in the second half when the game was well and truly over.

Clondalkin must have loaded up against Stones because that result was only 27-22 and our same team beat them 33-10 on Sat.

Personally I find it unfair that Greystones can have no team at J2 level yet their J4's go out and put 50+ to nil scorelines on the opposition every week. I'm presuming that the team that played the first two weeks was different to the current team. If they can beat the current league holders 54-0 and Coolmine, who challenged for the title last season, 52-0 then they are good enough to play J2.

mikedragon32

This debate rages every season. Mary's and the gick have been accused here of loading J5 teams in the past in a bid for silverware.

I'd be more interested in why the league holders weren't promoted.

ColmH81

I thought the purpose of the split after xmas was so that the top 2 from Phase 2 get promoted.!?

Eoin

I don't think that's a promotion as such, it's just a different section of the same J4 league. We won our league last year, but weren't promoted to J3. I don't know why not, we (the team) wanted to go up a level if possible. I don't know who made the decision - club or branch.

Gracelessly Tom

mikedragon32 wrote: »

This debate rages every season. Mary's and the gick have been accused here of loading J5 teams in the past in a bid for silverware.

I'd be more interested in why the league holders weren't promoted.

Because Marys have a J3 team already and the J4's won the J4 league so the only place to go would be the J3 league. Plus the fact that J3 league is a Friday/ Sunday league would mean players not being able to play for a J4 team in the J3 league.

The J5 team that won the J5 league last year got promoted to the J4 Section C league. Mary's now have two J4 teams and a J5 team.

Unfortunately the reality of Junior rugby is that some years you have "trophy hunter" dream teams.

Gracelessly Tom

Eoin wrote: »

I don't think that's a promotion as such, it's just a different section of the same J4 league. We won our league last year, but weren't promoted to J3. I don't know why not, we (the team) wanted to go up a level if possible. I don't know who made the decision - club or branch.

Yeah, there are three sections to the J4 league, A,B and C. Each of A and B have two pools. The top three teams from each of these pools go into the top pool with the bottom three going into the second pool and so on so that you have basically 4 pools post Christmas. Mary's won the top pool of Section A last season but playing J3 rugby this year was never an option due to a mixture of already having a J3 team and players not being available for Fri/Sun matches.

ColmH81

I know the playing J2, J3 or J4 is ultimitley down to the club itself, but the different pools in the J4 should be based on success the previous season.. .

From our point, Shanners, I'd asked that we be entered in the J3 league and was told no, by the club..