Child benefit proposals cause alarm in Poland

caseyann

THE Polish finance minister has expressed concern to Michael Noonan about Government plans to cut child benefit payments to Polish parents living here, but whose children are living in their home country.


The parents' home country usually pays the standard rate of child benefit, which in Poland is €11 per month. The Irish exchequer must then top this up to the full Irish rate -- €140 per month for a first and second child.


The neck on him to be expressing concern,sounds like he is worried Irish money will no longer be pumped into their economy.

About time the rules were changed.If they want to bring their children into the country and continue getting the child benefit fair enough,but to get the amount they do for their child who is not residing in the country there fore not being put into our economy or schools then no go.

I am curious what the saving will be.

Dannyboy83

Link to the original article here:

The Government wants this changed to reflect the cost of living in the state where a child is resident.

€140 per month for child support!? :eek:

Cut it for everyone - Irish residents and otherwise

[MOD]Please save your outrage at the level of child support for threads on that topic. This is about a specific proposal.[/MOD]

not yet

We should tell him to go take a jump.......

I personally know a polish guy who's wife gave up nursing (400euro per month) when he moved here. Instead she now gets 600euro per month children's allowance. 200euro pay increase whilst giving up work....... or as he says ''happy days''

beeno67

not yet wrote: »

We should tell him to go take a jump.......

I personally know a polish guy who's wife gave up nursing (400euro per month) when he moved here. Instead she now gets 600euro per month children's allowance. 200euro pay increase whilst giving up work....... or as he says ''happy days''

Of course whether working or not they still get childrens allowance.

Boss Croker

The neck on him to be expressing concern,sounds like he is worried Irish money will no longer be pumped into their economy.

EU citizens are entitled to family support payments of the counry in which they, but not necessarily their children, are resident. The same applies to Irish people living in, say, Germany but who choose to leave their children at home with a spouse or other family for educational or other reasons

Besides there is no such thing really anymore as "Irish Money". It's all borrowed from the EU/Germany.

saa

If the child is in another country surely they are being taken care of and if they cannot be in that country it is thats states responsibility to subsidise it, the state of which the child is in not the parent.

Child benefit should only be for those on low incomes, those in need.

paul71

Boss Croker wrote: »

Besides there is no such thing really anymore as "Irish Money". It's all borrowed from the EU/Germany.

Actually Poland contributed to the EU bailout of Ireland too.

GSF

Is it normal for children to live in different countries to their parents? How many kids are involved?

jc84

Why is Ireland paying people for kids that don't even live here, FFs what a joke, the amount of money being pumped into Poland from people working here and sending it all back home which is fair enough but the gall to bitch about child benefit payments

Welease

jc84 wrote: »

Why is Ireland paying people for kids that don't even live here, FFs what a joke, the amount of money being pumped into Poland from people working here and sending it all back home which is fair enough but the gall to bitch about child benefit payments

It's an EU rule. It has applied equally to all countries for quiet some time.

And we seem to have no issue bitching about having some "austerity" while other EU countries on much lower incomes continue to bail out our country..

Cill Dara Abu

So they get more in one month in child benefit courtesy of the Irish tax payer than they do of the Polish government in one year, sure aren't we a great little country...

wolf moon

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

So they get more in one month in child benefit courtesy of the Irish tax payer than they do of the Polish government in one year, sure aren't we a great little country...

They get it because a parent(s) is working and paying taxes/levies and Gods know what else here, unless I am missing something.

It's also better if the children don't live here, because on the top on child benefit payments they would be getting free education, medical treatment, etc. which would cost the taxpayer even more.

jackiebaron

saa wrote: »

If the child is in another country surely they are being taken care of and if they cannot be in that country it is thats states responsibility to subsidise it, the state of which the child is in not the parent.

Child benefit should only be for those on low incomes, those in need.

How many well-to-do Irish people claim it?

Triangle

Welease wrote: »

And we seem to have no issue bitching about having some "austerity" while other EU countries on much lower incomes continue to bail out our country..

Isn't it more of a loan with interest attached as opposed to 'free' money?

I reckon child benefit should be abolished or at least reduced significantly. The money should instead be pumped in free health for children (or some such) and before someone attacks the idea - i have not done any studies on the validity as I'm much to busy earning a wage and taking care of my kids - it's just an idea!

Welease

Triangle wrote: »

Isn't it more of a loan with interest attached as opposed to 'free' money?

Our funding from the EU is not restricted to just the recent loans.

Triangle

Welease wrote: »

Our funding from the EU is not restricted to just the recent loans.

With the risk of going of topic - They have also cost us alot with needless red tape and decisions that affect our economy.
But this discussion is on child benefit.

meditraitor

paul71 wrote: »

Actually Poland contributed to the EU bailout of Ireland too.

Can you link to this? I cant find anything online....

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

Can you link to this? I cant find anything online....

No specific details, but..

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/46544,Germany-pushes-Poland-to-chip-in-for-Greek-bailout

"Poland may be pushed by Germany to donate some 1 billion zloty (250 million euro) to EU coffers as part of plans to rescue Greece from economic tragedy.

<snip>

Poland has already given money for efforts to rescue the economies of Ireland and Portugal, although experts have warned that there is a high amount of risk when it comes to the Greek bailout."

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

No specific details, but..

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/46544,Germany-pushes-Poland-to-chip-in-for-Greek-bailout

"Poland may be pushed by Germany to donate some 1 billion zloty (250 million euro) to EU coffers as part of plans to rescue Greece from economic tragedy.

<snip>

Poland has already given money for efforts to rescue the economies of Ireland and Portugal, although experts have warned that there is a high amount of risk when it comes to the Greek bailout."

But Poland was the biggest net benificiary of EU grants/money up to the bailout(2010), seems odd that a country that is/was benefiting to the tune of €6.5bn per year would contribute anything?

So my question is did they contribute or did they just reduce the amount they take out of the EU?

Suppose I better link since I previously asked
http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2010/09/poland-biggest-beneficiary-of-eu-funds/69010.aspx

vicwatson

Actually Poland contributed to the EU bailout of Ireland too.

Was this not the situation BEFORE any bailout from any country though??

I'd say this is going on since before we received any bailout money from the EU.

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

But Poland was the biggest net benificiary of EU grants/money up to the bailout(2010), seems odd that a country that is/was benefiting to the tune of €6.5bn per year would contribute anything?

So my question is did they contribute or did they just reduce the amount they take out of the EU?

Suppose I better link since I previously asked
http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/2010/09/poland-biggest-beneficiary-of-eu-funds/69010.aspx

I wouldn't say it is necessarily strange.. The exact mechanism will depend on how finance transferral happens within the EU (of which I have no idea).. We for years were a large benefactor also, but would contribute overseas aid etc also..

I would imagine, much like in Ireland different departments will have their own funding, and we will apply and receive funding from some (CAP, Infrastructure, regional grants etc.), and some we will contribute to. The Net effect is we would still be a benefactor, but we would have been a contributor in some areas.

Open Europe funding estimates- Example.. Ireland will contribute 11 billion to the EU but take out 12 billion..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

vicwatson

They get it because a parent(s) is working and paying taxes/levies and Gods know what else here, unless I am missing something.

They don't get it if the parents are on the dole here then?:rolleyes:

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

I wouldn't say it is necessarily strange.. The exact mechanism will depend on how finance transferral happens within the EU (of which I have no idea).. We for years were a large benefactor also, but would contribute overseas aid etc also..

I would imagine, much like in Ireland different departments will have their own funding, and we will apply and receive funding from some (CAP, Infrastructure, regional grants etc.), and some we will contribute to. The Net effect is we would still be a benefactor, but we would have been a contributor in some areas.

Open Europe funding estimates- Example.. Ireland will contribute 11 billion to the EU but take out 12 billion..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

I still haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Poland contributed to the Bailout of Ireland,

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

I still haven't seen a single shred of evidence that Poland contributed to the Bailout of Ireland,

/shrug...

and how much time have you spent investigating?

meditraitor

paul71 wrote: »

Actually Poland contributed to the EU bailout of Ireland too.

I want proof of this,

YOU wrote:

/shrug...

and how much time have you spent investigating?

this is the best I get,


Seems like its ok to spoof but not ok to question the spoof,

The OP questions the motives of a polish minister with regard to Ireland inc paying for kids of a different nationality in a different country and as a retort someone posts that POLAND is contributing to our bailout! I just want proof of this.........

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

I want proof of this,



this is the best I get,


Seems like its ok to spoof but not ok to question the spoof,

The OP questions the motives of a polish minister with regard to Ireland inc paying for kids of a different nationality in a different country and as a retort someone posts that POLAND is contributing to our bailout! I just want proof of this.........

I will backup any claim I made.. with links and facts..

I didn't make any claim with regards to Poland's funding.. I provided a link to an article which indicated some money have been paid by Poland, after you said you could find nothing.. You then asked how a benefactor could be a contributor, I explained and provided estimate information on what each country has provided and taken out of EU funding which demonstrated the question you asked...

If you want proof, then the OP of the claim should provide it, or you can go find it yourself.

Tora Bora

Remember this. Poland beat the republic of Ireland 1 nil, not so long ago in Dublin.
To add insult to injury, they want us to pay to feed and clothe their sprogs. FFS.

risteard7

Its crazy how we are been taking for mugs!I dont know any country in the world you can go to and get what you get here.Its funny how irish people are going to australia for work but polish etc are all staying

Crazy Horse 6

not yet wrote: »

We should tell him to go take a jump.......

I personally know a polish guy who's wife gave up nursing (400euro per month) when he moved here. Instead she now gets 600euro per month children's allowance. 200euro pay increase whilst giving up work....... or as he says ''happy days''

One of many i'd say. We'd do the same ourselves if the tables where turned.

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

I will backup any claim I made.. with links and facts..

I didn't make any claim with regards to Poland's funding.. I provided a link to an article which indicated some money have been paid by Poland, after you said you could find nothing.. You then asked how a benefactor could be a contributor, I explained and provided estimate information on what each country has provided and taken out of EU funding which demonstrated the question you asked...

If you want proof, then the OP of the claim should provide it, or you can go find it yourself.

Then why are you arguing with me about it? you clearly have an agenda....some pro polish solidarity movement?

The simple fact is this thread is about the taxpayer of Ireland paying for Polish kids in Poland when we are broke.......

Life is simple, Ireland is broke..... paying €140 per month for kids in another country is ludicrous

not yet

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

One of many i'd say. We'd do the same ourselves if the tables where turned.

True....but it doesn't mean it's right, It's about time this half arsed country got real.

The indo had a story some time back that stated 9 billion was sent to polish banks over a period of 09-10. Just imagine if that was spent in the economy. you'd have 2 billion in vat receipts alone.

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

Then why are you arguing with me about it? you clearly have an agenda....some pro polish solidarity movement?

The simple fact is this thread is about the taxpayer of Ireland paying for Polish kids in Poland when we are broke.......

Life is simple, Ireland is broke..... paying €140 per month for kids in another country is ludicrous

I am not argueing with anyone.. You asked for information, it was provided..
Care to point out where I actually said anything that you disagree with?

It would appear that Poland has contributed to Euro bailouts.. previous link provided, and the Council on European relations also mention that Poland made contributions to the wider EU bailouts even though they were not members of the Euro

"The eurozone countries—not the EU-27—negotiated and underwrote the rescue packages for Greece and other southern European countries. Of the non-euro countries, only Poland and Sweden made notional contributions to the bailout in the name of European solidarity"
http://www.cfr.org/eu/new-reality-european-union/p22936

One link specifying Irish funding, and other specifying more general funding above and beyond all other non Euro countries (except Sweden).

And you questioned how a benefactor could also be a contributor to EU funding.. I provided details and links showing estimated amounts for each country..

So what exactly is incorrect about the information provided, and why would I appear to have an "agenda"?

If you are so sure that Poland didn't fund anything, then I assume you have a detailed breakdown of which countries funded the EU bailout funds? If not, then it would appear the is slightly more evidence to backup the OP's claim then yours...

astrofool

What's the proposed saving in this? A couple hundred million? More? Less?

What about the elephant in the room of why our levels of social welfare are so much higher than other EU countries in the first place? It's easy to blame the foreigners.

Dannyboy83

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

[MOD]Please save your outrage at the level of child support for threads on that topic. This is about a specific proposal.[/MOD]

Sorry, fair call, simply had no idea it's so high

thebman

This seems like an odd living arrangement TBH. I'd like to know the numbers involved. Doubt it will save much but makes for an easy target I guess instead of reducing it for everyone or reducing it for everyone employed for example.

Welease

thebman wrote: »

This seems like an odd living arrangement TBH. I'd like to know the numbers involved. Doubt it will save much but makes for an easy target I guess instead of reducing it for everyone or reducing it for everyone employed for example.

Numbers being bandied about after the election (by Joan Burton) were between 15-20 million.. Apparently 80% of which was to Poland

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/joan-burton-joans-crusade-2666831.html

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

I am not argueing with anyone.. You asked for information, it was provided..
Care to point out where I actually said anything that you disagree with?

It would appear that Poland has contributed to Euro bailouts.. previous link provided, and the Council on European relations also mention that Poland made contributions to the wider EU bailouts even though they were not members of the Euro

"The eurozone countries—not the EU-27—negotiated and underwrote the rescue packages for Greece and other southern European countries. Of the non-euro countries, only Poland and Sweden made notional contributions to the bailout in the name of European solidarity"
http://www.cfr.org/eu/new-reality-european-union/p22936

One link specifying Irish funding, and other specifying more general funding above and beyond all other non Euro countries (except Sweden).

And you questioned how a benefactor could also be a contributor to EU funding.. I provided details and links showing estimated amounts for each country.."
So what exactly is incorrect about the information provided, and why would I appear to have an "agenda"?

If you are so sure that Poland didn't fund anything, then I assume you have a detailed breakdown of which countries funded the EU bailout funds? If not, then it would appear the is slightly more evidence to backup the OP's claim then yours...

Ok then, now we get to my point

The Polish finance minister has warned the Government about seeking changes to EU rules on the payment of child benefit to parents living in Ireland who claim for non-resident children,

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/46544,Germany-pushes-Poland-to-chip-in-for-Greek-bailout

the cheek of him, a country which as you say has contributed (not really as they are pulling 10 x amount in grants) criticize the irish taxpayer for being a bit miffed about paying to bring up children in their country...

and as an aside, before anyone goes spouting nonsense about the Irish benfiting from Europe

The net benefit to Ireland in the EU is +0.6bn real money
The net benefit to Poland in the EU is +65bn real money

These are open estimates for 2007 - 2013......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union


so a measly 0.5bn (whatever that is zlots) forced out of them by Germany is not really contributions is it? And at the interest rate they are charging?

I stand by my point, POLAND has contributed nothing of their own to Irelands bailout and any "warning" by their finance minister to think twice about stopping payments to polish children in Poland should be dismissed as a joke.

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

Ok then, now we get to my point

So in short.. you can't find a problem with anything I posted.. /golfclap

"Agenda" my arse...

meditraitor wrote: »

and as an aside, before anyone goes spouting nonsense about the Irish benfiting from Europe

The net benefit to Ireland in the EU is +0.6bn real money
The net benefit to Poland in the EU is +65bn real money

These are open estimates for 2007 - 2013......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

You do realise a net benefit.. is actually benefitting from Europe? as in.. its not spouting nonsense.. It also doesn't include the many many years since the early 70's where we have beneffited to the tune of billions.

meditraitor wrote: »

so a measly 0.5bn (whatever that is zlots) forced out of them by Germany is not really contributions is it? And at the interest rate they are charging?

Gotcha.. 250 million from them is nothing.. but us spending 18m on them is outrageous.. even though it's a rule we signed up to.... /boggle

sligono1

people talk about poland helping with the bailout,how many Billions of the celtic tiger era ended up leaving the irish economy and head for poland quite alot.

i have worked with poles who have told me they have exploited the irish system to the last as its so soft.this guy was claming for more children than he had.

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

It's an EU rule. It has applied equally to all countries for quiet some time.

And we seem to have no issue bitching about having some "austerity" while other EU countries on much lower incomes continue to bail out our country..

bit loose with the truth here? The are receiving BILLIONS(free, not loans with interest) every year from the EU and they contribute a quarter of a billion after Germany manhandled them, not really

Welease wrote: »

Our funding from the EU is not restricted to just the recent loans.

Usual nonesense, Ireland has not benefitted from the EU too the extent that some people would have you believe

Welease wrote: »

No specific details, but..

http://www.thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/46544,Germany-pushes-Poland-to-chip-in-for-Greek-bailout

"Poland may be pushed by Germany to donate some 1 billion zloty (250 million euro) to EU coffers as part of plans to rescue Greece from economic tragedy.

<snip>

Poland has already given money for efforts to rescue the economies of Ireland and Portugal, although experts have warned that there is a high amount of risk when it comes to the Greek bailout."

over 6bn per annum in and 0.25 billion out....... wish we got that deal

Welease wrote: »

/shrug...

and how much time have you spent investigating?

Welease wrote: »

So in short.. you can't find a problem with anything I posted.. /golfclap
"Agenda" my arse...

Are you the Polish finance minister?

meditraitor

Welease wrote: »

You do realise a net benefit.. is actually benefitting from Europe? as in.. its not spouting nonsense.. It also doesn't include the many many years since the early 70's where we have beneffited to the tune of billions.

Thats my point, jasus...... spoon and feed

Ireland net benefit 0.6bn
Poland net benefit 65bn

Now your on here waffling about them giving 0.25bn to the bailout fund!!!!

Give us 65 BN and we will have no problem loaning 0.25 bn at an interest rate of 5% to any of our neighbours(enemies wouldnt get much worse)

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

bit loose with the truth here? The are receiving BILLIONS(free, not loans with interest) every year from the EU and they contribute a quarter of a billion after Germany manhandled them, not really

/sigh... you seems desperate just to insult.. Where did I specify Poland in that post? Germany, UK and France etc pour billions in each year and would have lower incomes across many areas..

meditraitor wrote: »

Usual nonesense, Ireland has not benefitted from the EU too the extent that some people would have you believe

Again with the insults.. I said Ireland has benefitted from the EU from moe than just the recent loans... is this incorrect?

meditraitor wrote: »

Are you the Polish finance minister?

and again...


Do you want to just throw insults around, or do you want to actually discuss the issue at hand?

You asked for the information it was provided... Ireland itself has received billions from the EU since the 70's.. What a country puts in and takes out should be irrelevant in a discussion like this, otherwise Ireland being a net benefactor over it's term in the EU would have 0 input and no voice... Is that what you want?

The rule has been in place for many years.. If Ireland want it changed, then it will likely have to offer something in exchange or we can cut child benefit to make it less attractive...

Welease

meditraitor wrote: »

Thats my point, jasus...... spoon and feed

Ireland net benefit 0.6bn
Poland net benefit 65bn

Now your on here waffling about them giving 0.25bn to the bailout fund!!!!

Give us 65 BN and we will have no problem loaning 0.25 bn at an interest rate of 5% to any of our neighbours(enemies wouldnt get much worse)

1) I suggets you reread your posts.. you claimed anyone who said we benefitted from the EU was spouting nonsense.. You own figures demonstrate we benefitted.. So your claim is false.

2) Those figures.. are estimates.. and have been contested.. You would know this is you bother to read the piece I linked instead of just blindly using my links.. They demonstrate that countries contribute and take from EU funds at the same time which is something you were disputing.. which is why the link was provided.. It was not provided as an accurate estimate to what the country contributed or beneffitted from..

But once again.. you just seem to want to throw childish insults around and avoid the actual discussion..

AlekSmart

sligono1 wrote: »

people talk about poland helping with the bailout,how many Billions of the celtic tiger era ended up leaving the irish economy and head for poland quite alot.

i have worked with poles who have told me they have exploited the irish system to the last as its so soft.this guy was claming for more children than he had.

Some very liberal minded friends of mine recently returned from visiting Poland.

They were somewhat taken aback when chatting to their Hotel staff revealed the majority of them had a very thorough knowledge of the Irish DSP payment schemes.

Whilst the childrens allowance is the largest of the payment classifications,it appears there may well be a number of other payment headings also.

However,as their concierge also pointed out,a significant amount of the Irish sourced money tends to finance the alcohol and stimulant needs of many,something which explained,to an extent,the large numbers of indigent types to be found in Kracow's side streets and outlying areas,many with young children in their company.....Is this to be Irelands legacy to Europe ?

Welease

AlekSmart wrote: »

Some very liberal minded friends of mine recently returned from visiting Poland.

They were somewhat taken aback when chatting to their Hotel staff revealed the majority of them had a very thorough knowledge of the Irish DSP payment schemes.

Whilst the childrens allowance is the largest of the payment classifications,it appears there may well be a number of other payment headings also.

However,as their concierge also pointed out,a significant amount of the Irish sourced money tends to finance the alcohol and stimulant needs of many,something which explained,to an extent,the large numbers of indigent types to be found in Kracow's side streets and outlying areas,many with young children in their company.....Is this to be Irelands legacy to Europe ?

While anecdotal, its likely true that a % of the money is being abused and in some cases wrongfully claimed (much as a similar % would be expected in Ireland, moreso given the recent saving made through SW fraud detection)..

The problem however lies in the fact that this is a European law that we paid no attention to for years, and now having taken billions in loans and bank bailouts, and exhausted the patience of taxpayers in France, Germany etc. we now are going to try and get legislation changed to benefit us, while keeping Welfare payments significantly higher than other countries..

I fail to see how we would get any support for this, and given the relatively small amounts (yes 15+m is not small, but we could easily make cuts to many pointless quangoes and save more) is this something that we wish to fight a battle on, whereas other areas (interest rate levels etc.) would save a tens/hundred's millions more..

I personally think, there are far better battles to spend what little good will the European community has left for us..

caseyann

GSF wrote: »

Is it normal for children to live in different countries to their parents? How many kids are involved?

More common than you realize.I know of some Chinese who do the exact same.One came here she got pregnant with her husband back in china on holidays.She sent the baby home to the father.She then a year later got pregnant again and that baby went back to the father also.All this to work in a deli full time.

I dont think it is plausible to be getting paid the same rates as People who reside in Ireland with their children.As in their countries the school education clothes and food is way below Ireland,s price of living.


Someone said,then it would cost us more them being here,it is false at least they might be putting some of it back into Irish economy and schools.So it would balance out.

pmct

So basically people's argument for continuing these payments is that Poland loaned us money so that we can give the money to their citizens to send back to Poland and we then have to repay the money with interest. Sounds fair alright

ted1

If it must be paid, it should be paid at the same rate that the country the child resides. This rate is deemed to be acceptable by the child's country.

So pay a polish child who lives in Poland 11 euro

swordofislam

caseyann wrote: »

More common than you realize.I know of some Chinese who do the exact same.One came here she got pregnant with her husband back in china on holidays.She sent the baby home to the father.She then a year later got pregnant again and that baby went back to the father also.All this to work in a deli full time.

Someone said,then it would cost us more them being here,it is false at least they might be putting some of it back into Irish economy and schools.So it would balance out.

If we hadn't elected governments that bought votes by taking the low paid out of the tax net this wouldn't be an issue.
If we bring the low paid back into the tax net this shouldn't be an issue.

Godge

A simple solution to the child benefit issue.

Cut the child benefit drastically for children over 4 and replace with direct provision of school books and school uniforms. The Government can make savings by procuring books and uniforms centrally (it can be on a panel basis to provide choice for schools), maybe even laptops/tablet computers.

The government will save money by cutting child benefit more than the cost of provision of school books, uniforms, computers etc as they would be getting those cheaper. It could also abolish the back to school allowance.

The losers in this scenario:

- those children living abroad as payment is replaced by direct provision
- those drinking the child benefit rather than providing for their children
- those putting the child benefit directly into savings accounts and could have easily afforded to do without.

The pressure of back-to-school would be taken off parents. Finally, private schools should be excluded from this idea.

stargazer 68

vicwatson wrote: »

They don't get it if the parents are on the dole here then?:rolleyes:

As far as I know they get it because a parent lives here working or not. Same as an Irish citizen.