Why do lads cheers on English club soccer teams but not the English national team

oasischick

My bf is always cheering on Wayne Rooney in a Man Utd jersey, but wanting him to fail in an English one. When I try to confront him about it he fobs me off in a 'you're just a girl, you wouldn't understand' kind of way. Would someone care to enlighten me? Bit schizophrenic innit?

KeithAFC

800 years or something.

chin_grin

Sums up my opinion of the sport nicely.

AhSureTisGrand

Because Manchester United didn't occupy Ireland for 700 years. Silly but there you go

Edit: is it 800 now? I lost count

Superbus

You might be on to something there OP.

OPENROAD

Have seen plenty of people cheering them on, things have changed a lot over the last 15 years imo

AnamGlas

Religion, family connections etc.

LondonIrish90

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Because Manchester United didn't occupy Ireland for 700 years. Silly but there you go

Edit: is it 800 now? I lost count

Neither did the England football team.

Absurdum

oasischick wrote: »

My bf is always cheering on Wayne Rooney in a Man Utd jersey, but wanting him to fail in an English one.

your BF is a gay racist with very bad taste in men

Amirani

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Neither did the England football team.

QED.

I don't cheer on either, don't see anyone can feel they have a genuine connection with a team from a city/country they've never been/lived in.

westendgirlie

I support Millwall as its my home team and England as I was born there.

OPENROAD

niallsparky wrote: »

QED.

I don't cheer on either, don't see anyone can feel they have a genuine connection with a team from a city/country they've never been/lived in.

Big leap in assumptions there

Superbus

oasischick wrote: »

Bit schizophrenic innit?

I already made a contribution to this thread, but I just want to point out, to anyone that may not have noticed, that the OP used the word 'innit' in her post.

That is all.

jb4ever

its not supporting an english team and not supporting the the english national team i dont get but its when they hate england so much yet support english teams that confuse me so much.

Overheal

Watching England tear itself apart, club by club, is probably far more interesting in watching every 4 years when they work together to get cheated out of it by Italy and break into a fit of tears like little babies.

westendgirlie

And oasis are man city fans

Red Hand

Because if you cheer on the English football team then you are clearly __________ and would ____________ the _______ and _______ with the lobsters and crabs.

OPENROAD

Overheal wrote: »

Watching England tear itself apart, club by club, is probably far more interesting in watching every 4 years when they work together to get cheated out of it by Italy and break into a fit of tears like little babies.

In fairness they should just get rid of International Football

minidazzler

chin_grin wrote: »

Sums up my opinion of the sport nicely.

I didn't know you were Charlie Brooker, how's it going?

cena

I support in england national team but not the irish one

oasischick

Superbus wrote: »

I already made a contribution to this thread, but I just want to point out, to anyone that may not have noticed, that the OP used the word 'innit' in her post.

That is all.

Foxrock born and bred. I know 'innit' is Cockney slang but it has also integrated into internet terminology. :P

Duckworth_Luas

cena wrote: »

I support in england national team but not the irish one

Good for you! My friend Basil from Dusseldorf supports neither.

AhSureTisGrand

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

Neither did the England football team.

Well obviously not they'd just lose in the penalty shoot out

losthorizon

At the start of any WC or EC I dont mind if England do well or not but then BBC and ITV start going on and on and on about how great they are and the fact that this particular England team is the greatest Football squad ever assembled in the history of the sport. And you know by then I want them to lose because if they won you would never ever hear the end of it. The Republic would probably be forced into holding a national day of celebration.

I quite like the English but not all the crap that surrounds their football both at club and at international level. Im fairly happy supporting my own club here in Ireland in my own country.

jluv

So if Rooney plays for the country that has caused us problems for 500 years, how can her BF support him in his club team? (I don't have an issue with any of it just asking the question);)

OPENROAD

losthorizon wrote: »

At the start of any WC or EC I dont mind if England do well or not but then BBC and ITV start going on and on and on about how great they are and the fact that this particular England team is the greatest Football squad ever assembled in the history of the sport. And you know by then I want them to lose because if they won you would never ever hear the end of it. The Republic would probably be forced into holding a national day of celebration.

I quite like the English but not all the crap that surrounds their football both at club and at international level. Im fairly happy supporting my own club here in Ireland in my own country.

And the Irish media don't hype up the Irish team?

Jimoslimos

I'm probably the opposite, would cheer the England team on but not much interest in the club sides. Certainly if they were up against France, Germany or Italy, 50-50 with Spain. No rational reason I'm afraid. Also helps they're generally the underdog in those matches:D

Remember being gutted when they lost to Germany in Euro 96!

AhSureTisGrand

OPENROAD wrote: »

And the Irish media don't hype up the Irish team?

Not really no

bnt

Because the English national team consists of all English players? You definitely can not say the same about the Premier League teams in England. :cool:

OPENROAD

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Not really no

They do imo but that is the thing, I assume you are a Ireland supporter? you don't tend to see things when it is your own team

losthorizon

OPENROAD wrote: »

And the Irish media don't hype up the Irish team?

Eamonn Dunphy Voice: No No Bill This Irish team could do so much better but we have no vision , no leadership and no plan. Its always been like that. Bill Bill. Its just getting worse. Trap has to go.

OPENROAD

bnt wrote: »

Because the English national team consists of all English players? You definitely can not say the same about the Premier League teams in England. :cool:

Wasn't always that way.

How do you explain someone in a man utd top shouting abuse at say Rooney because he is wearing an England top? By the way irrespective of how many English/non English play for clubs, they are still English teams.

OPENROAD

losthorizon wrote: »

Eamonn Dunphy Voice: No No Bill This Irish team could do so much better but we have no vision , no leadership and no plan. Its always been like that. Bill Bill. Its just getting worse. Trap has to go.

Plenty of other Irish media outlets,look at the some of the reaction to the draw against Russia

losthorizon

OPENROAD wrote: »

Plenty of other Irish media outlets,look at the some of the reaction to the draw against Russia

You mean like the Sun or the mirror?

woodoo

I can't understand Irish people getting all worked up over a club from a city in England which they have never been too. In fact it annoys me. Someone sitting sullen faced because Man Utd got beat. Do they come from Manchester - No. Do they know anyone from Manchester - No. Have they ever been to Manchester in many cases - No.

And then they look puzzled when i say i don't support anyone from the Premiership.

AhSureTisGrand

OPENROAD wrote: »

They do imo but that is the thing, I assume you are a Ireland supporter? you don't tend to see things when it is your own team

Not at all. Watching Ireland play football is quite depressing.

The media don't hype them up. They just make a big deal out of every minor achievement because they understand that we have a crap team. Contrast that with the pundits in England who seem genuinely disappointed every time they fail to win the World Cup

mike65

You tend to find those who follow the likes of Manchester Utd, Chelsea etc hate the national side as it takes their players away from good sides and risks getting them injured for some tournament or other they'll never win.

(that is the right answer to this question, no?)

Jimoslimos

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

The media don't hype them up. They just make a big deal out of every minor achievement because they understand that we have a crap team. Contrast that with the pundits in England who seem genuinely disappointed every time they fail to win the World Cup

At least they aim high!

oasischick

bnt wrote: »

Because the English national team consists of all English players? You definitely can not say the same about the Premier League teams in England. :cool:

Surely it's the shirt the area represents that counts, not the players. The Irish national team were mostly Brits at one stage in the 90's, did you stop supporting them? Like bollocks you didn't!

LondonIrish90

In all seriousness, it is understandable that many people have a sense of anger or resentment towards England.

I don't however see how they can think that 11 men on a football pitch embodies everything English and thus everything that angers them!

Organise a protest in front of Downing Street, the Ministry of Defence, Buckingham Palace etc. Somewhere with relevance to their grievance. Increase awareness for your cause in a manner people can comprehend.

Don't take the frustration out on JT, Wazza, Lamps and the rest of the lads

The Express

I'd like to know why do some Irish lads sing/chant in English accents when watching English teams

Jess16

Because club and country are two very different things that's why. We have a country of our own to support so we shout for Ireland but there is no Irish equivalent of Man Utd/Chelsea etc so we shout for them without any Irish team being at the loss of any support

OPENROAD

losthorizon wrote: »

You mean like the Sun or the mirror?

No, radio

LondonIrish90

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Not at all. Watching Ireland play football is quite depressing.

The media don't hype them up. They just make a big deal out of every minor achievement because they understand that we have a crap team. Contrast that with the pundits in England who seem genuinely disappointed every time they fail to win the World Cup

Part in bold - Why is it that people flip their lid when England do this? Ie, leading the qualification group, beating Wales etc. English fans and media are happy with this (because we know we aren't that good) yet this is interpreted as arrogance.

And on your second point. Of course England are genuinely disappointed when they don't win the world cup. As is every player and fan who's nation is in the world cup. From the Algerian to the Slovenian, to the Argentine. When their team is knocked out they are genuinely gutted. Why turn up at all if you think you have absolutely no chance?

losthorizon

The Express wrote: »

I'd like to know why do some Irish lads sing/chant in English accents when watching English teams

Most of them are now actually reading this thread in an english accent in their mind. Spooky.

mike65

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

In all seriousness, it is understandable that many people have a sense of anger or resentment towards England.

I don't however see how they can think that 11 men on a football pitch embodies everything English and thus everything that angers them!

Organise a protest in front of Downing Street, the Ministry of Defence, Buckingham Palace etc. Somewhere with relevance to their grievance. Increase awareness for your cause in a manner people can comprehend.

Don't take the frustration out on JT, Wazza, Lamps and the rest of the lads

Do take out ones frustration on "JT" and "Lamps" especially! Lampard is a busted flush, needs to be dropped for good.

OPENROAD

Jess16 wrote: »

Because club and country are two very different things that's why. We have a country of our own to support so we shout for Ireland but there is no Irish equivalent of Man Utd/Chelsea etc so we shout for them without any Irish team being at the loss of any support

I think the issue is more the abuse players get, which is very very weird to see in action

TheUsual

Girls in Ireland support english soccer teams as well.

It's alright when you are 12 years old with school-bags and school-yard banter, but fairly ridiculous when you are supposedly "grown up".
My brother married a woman from Manchester and at the wedding I asked them about Irish fans going mental over Manchester United and they were polite, but I could tell they were kind of annoyed over Irish fans coming over and going waaayyyy over the top at the games. And being shattered like it was the end of the world when the team lost, more than the locals. Irish people with no life or hobbies.

In my humble opinion, if you are not from a place then you have no reason to get emotional over that place or team.

Red Hand

losthorizon wrote: »

Eamonn Dunphy Voice: No No Bill This Irish team could do so much better but we have no vision , no leadership and no plan. Its always been like that. Bill Bill. Its just getting worse. Trap has to go.

-Liam Brady: No Eamonn, we're playing a defensive game at home and yeah, it's uninspiring, but it gets...no, no, Eamon, it gets results!

-John Giles: I have to say Bill, I agree with Eamonn, the football is predictable and frankly, a bit boring-

-Liam Brady: No John, it's not, the way the team is set out and it's strengths an weaknesses-

-Bill Heirlihy: Ha Ha Ha ha ha ha...alright, we'll leave it dere.

EarlERizer

I used to argue this very subject with my mates almost on a weekly basis (usually after watching whichever match we'd been watching), I have always supported the English national team or maybe 'supported' is the wrong word,but I've always wanted them to do well (not win mind lol - jaysus we'd never hear the end of it!)

It's definitley a case of "the auld enemy" and some just wont bring themselves to even contemplate the idea of cheering on Eng-gur-laand.

However, last years world cup brought an end to my argument,as long as the English FA pick teams based on celebrity status the national team will continue to fall short and not live up to the hype. Picking overpaid 'stars' isn't working,oh they'll all bleat on about the pride of wearing the shirt and the hurt of failure but they'll all be sunning themselves 2/3 days after been knocked out in the early stages and not give the fans a second thought,they've still got their mansions,cars,wags & endless bank accounts to nurse the 'hurt' they endure.

I bet if they picked an alternative national team from the Championship & lower divisions they'd have a group of lads willing to run their legs off for the cause and give their fans something to cheer.

Well we've another 9 months of cheering our heroes on before we don our "hate" hats in the build up to Euro 2012

oasischick

Jess16 wrote: »

Because club and country are two very different things that's why. We have a country of our own to support so we shout for Ireland but there is no Irish equivalent of Man Utd/Chelsea etc so we shout for them without any Irish team being at the loss of any support

Scotland are a similarly small country but Celtic get 50,000 every week.