What would you do if you caught your brother looking at child porn?

FrankAmazing

if you walked in on your thirty year old brother/sixty year old father/insert elderly relative watching child pornography?

Report him?
Try and help him?
Or stay hush hush?

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Sonics2k

Who caught you OP?

My name is URL

Probably try to talk him into seeking help before the problem manifests into something far worse.

Quazzie

Report all day long. By trying to help all you are doing is turning a blind eye and enabling them. Reporting them might seem harsh for a family member but it's the best for everyone in the long run.

Kevin Duffy

Think I'd give him a very short time to convince me I shouldn't report it and I would take some convincing. In fact, I don't think I could be convinced, but I'd hear him out. Whatever happened after that, I doubt I'd ever trust or like him again and he'd be at arm's length forever.

Mint Sauce

Where's the clout them around the head option, followed with an utimate for them to stop and seek help?

The_Kew_Tour

Report the sick fcuker

hopefully you get more from the Parents Will after it too;)

The Big Red Button

Would definitely report them, no matter what. Otherwise, if something awful happened down the line, how could you live with yourself?

mike65

Send him round to your place.

blackdog2

Hand him a tissue/my brother's pillow

bnt

I'd start monitoring his Internet access: are we talking about a habit, a pattern, or an accident?

D1stant

Talk to him. Mandate that he gets counselling

Tell him that you will track the websites visited, bittorrents being downloaded and If there is one further indiscretion, you will report him

zyndacyclone

This happened to me. I was the child, he had his fingers inside me before I could walk. His mother walked in on him. She stopped him and made him come around to play with us to 'make it up'.

That one incident has left me open to a lifetime of abuse.

Report him.

later12

I wouldn't report him. My first instinct would be to ban him from the internet, but a more intelligent response would be to get him private counselling and make sure he is engaging with it.

Interesting question, OP, though I don't know if AH is ready to actually engage with the serious issue of how to deal with paedophilia in a rational way. It's very easy for the sensationalists to troll and strawman the discussion.

We really do not know enough about it because of the stigma we attach to those with paedophilic tendencies.

later12

zyndacyclone wrote: »

This happened to me. I was the child, he had his fingers inside me before I could walk. His mother walked in on him. She stopped him and made him come around to play with us to 'make it up'.

That one incident has left me open to a lifetime of abuse.

Report him.

That's different though, the OP asked about child porn, not active abuse of children. I know that all such porn derives from active abuse, nevertheless I think the distinction can be an important one.

My name is URL

chatterpillar wrote: »

Would definitely report them, no matter what. Otherwise, if something awful happened down the line, how could you live with yourself?

According to many studies, recidivism is higher amongst those who spend time in prison than it is amongst people actually treated for the mental condition itself (ICD-10 - F65.4). There was a Louis Theroux documentary about it.. people were given the choice between a fixed term of imprisonment or a treatment program which often meant longer sentences. Those in treatment were much less likely to re-offend after release. No such treatment programs exist in Ireland, despite the apparent prevalence of the problem. The only place in the country to deal with such conditions closed down a while back.. which says a lot really. People would prefer to sweep the issue under the rug than to actually deal with it.

zyndacyclone

That's different though, the OP asked about child porn, not active abuse of children. I know that all such porn derives from active abuse, nevertheless I think the distinction can be an important one.

How exactly?

'Passive' abuse is okay?

It's not okay. Child porn is NEVER okay.

Report him.

Valentina

later10 wrote: »

That's different though, the OP asked about child porn, not active abuse of children. I know that all such porn derives from active abuse, nevertheless I think the distinction can be an important one.

The child in any porn pics/video is being abused and by watching you are facilitating the demand for it and perpetuating the abuse of children.

If I caught a family member watching child porn I would report them in a heartbeat. I can't believe some people are saying they wouldn't?? Have we learned nothing from the lives that have been destroyed by the Catholic Church covering up for pedophile priests?

AhSureTisGrand

zyndacyclone wrote: »

How exactly?

'Passive' abuse is okay?

It's not okay. Child porn is NEVER okay.

Report him.

Well unless they have paid for it (which I can't imagine happening, what with the Internet and all), it doesn't contribute to abuse

Kevin Duffy

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Well unless they have paid for it (which I can't imagine happening, what with the Internet and all), it doesn't contribute to abuse

Y'off yer head? If there was no audience, there'd be no pornography. Of course it contributes to abuse and it is total nonsense to say otherwise.

later12

zyndacyclone wrote: »

'Passive' abuse is okay?

It's not okay. Child porn is NEVER okay.

Report him.

This is the problem. people think they 'win' an argument with strawmen and short. self righteous. sentences.

No. I didn't say passive abuse is okay. I said the question between how one might react to evidence of active abuse of children to how one might react to evidence of accessing child pornography could, understandably, be different. Neither are 'ok', but the two should not be confused.

Like I said in my post, this topic is far too vulnerable to sensationalists trying to construct self-righteous, strawman arguments to actually be engaged with in a rational way.

ThurstonWhore wrote: »

The child in any porn pics/video is being abused

Yes. I already said that, in which case I'm not sure why you're quoting me.

Valentina

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Well unless they have paid for it (which I can't imagine happening, what with the Internet and all), it doesn't contribute to abuse

Of course it contributes to it.

johngalway

I'd be completely shocked :eek:















I don't have a brother.

Valentina

later10 wrote: »

Yes. I already said that, in which case I'm not sure why you're quoting me.

Because you stated there was a difference between child porn and the active abuse of children.

IMO child porn is active abuse.

amdublin

Report him

later12

ThurstonWhore wrote: »

Because you stated there was a difference between child porn and the active abuse of children.

IMO child porn is active abuse.

IMO that is a populist thanks whoring opinion that actually prefers to dig its head in the sand than engage with the topic.

There is rarely a topic in the world comparable to paedophilia in terms of inability or unwillingness to actually approach the condition in a constructive manner, and ironically therefore in a way that would be most helpful to everyone, paedophiles and real or prospective victims alike.

But no, lets go down the populist route. Off with their balls and free money for everyone!!!!1!!eleven!!!

Gummy Panda

Don't know tbh.

Hard to imagine

zyndacyclone

I didn't say passive abuse is okay. I said the question between how one might react to evidence of active abuse of children to how one might react to evidence of accessing child pornography could, understandably, be different.

'Evidence of accessing child pornography' = 'i have evidence that he was looking at pictures of children being raped'

I was raped as a child. It's not fun. It's just as 'not fun' in a picture.

Report him

Or were you looking for an excuse not to?

later12

zyndacyclone wrote: »

'Evidence of accessing child pornography' = 'i have evidence that he was looking at pictures of children being raped'

I was raped as a child. It's not fun. It's just as 'not fun' in a picture.

Report him

Or were you looking for an excuse not to?

This isn't my thread, I'm not the OP.

Why are you trying to construct strawmen around rape being fun? Why? Nobody said that, everyone agreed it's wrong, saying you were raped does not mean that you are even remotely correct in your opinions. It is irrelevant.

My name is URL

I heard down the pub that cutting the penis off makes them better people

zyndacyclone

I can help with that, point OPs brother my way.

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AhSureTisGrand

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Y'off yer head? If there was no audience, there'd be no pornography. Of course it contributes to abuse and it is total nonsense to say otherwise.

Unless you are in the habit of producing child porn, I'm not sure you can say it's done for the sake of finding an audience. Surely drawing an audience would just attract attention to oneself and get the authorities involved. Personally I doubt these people have rational, coherent reasons for putting footage of child abuse on the Internet, just like there's no apparent reason as to why any murderers would make snuff videos if they had their wits about them

Valentina

later10 wrote: »

IMO that is a populist thanks whoring opinion that actually prefers to dig its head in the sand than engage with the topic.

There is rarely a topic in the world comparable to paedophilia in terms of inability or unwillingness to actually approach the condition in a constructive manner, and ironically therefore in a way that would be most helpful to everyone, paedophiles and real or prospective victims alike.

But no, lets go down the populist route. Off with their balls and free money for everyone!!!!1!!eleven!!!

If it's not abuse then what is it? Enlighten me.

BBDBB

well I wouldnt ask him to babysit

zyndacyclone

You take sexual pleasure from watching a child being raped.

I dare you:
--tell your mates
--tell your mum
--post it on facebook

It's not okay. Report it.

later12

ThurstonWhore wrote: »

If it's not abuse then what is it? Enlighten me.

It's a perpetuation of abuse and a gross disregard for children, but it isn't active abuse and there is a possibility that it may even diminish the incidence of abuse on a macro scale. It's worth examining, but that's something that would call for calm rational logic, not overstated populism, and is therefore immediately unappealing.

Accessing child pornography is wrong and abhorrent, but I would consider the active abuse of children to be the worse crime.

Valentina

later10 wrote: »

It's a perpetuation of abuse and a gross disregard for children, but it isn't active abuse and there is a possibility that it may even diminish the incidence of abuse on a macro scale. It's worth examining, but that's something that would call for calm rational logic, not overstated populism, and is therefore immediately unappealing.

Accessing child pornography is wrong and abhorrent, but I would consider the active abuse of children to be the worse crime.

But for these images to exist a child somewhere has to be abused. That is active abuse. Okay viewing a pic, you are not physically involved, but you are contributing to the demand for these.

BTW I'm not here for populism or "thanks"

Kevin Duffy

AhSureTisGrand wrote: »

Unless you are in the habit of producing child porn, I'm not sure you can say it's done for the sake of finding an audience. Surely drawing an audience would just attract attention to oneself and get the authorities involved. Personally I doubt these people have rational, coherent reasons for putting footage of child abuse on the Internet, just like there's no apparent reason as to why any murderers would make snuff videos if they had their wits about them

What a stupid, stupid response on so many levels. If any of that thinking was valid, then there would be no published child pornography, but there is. There are networks to share it, it does come to the attention of authorities, there are prosecutions. By its very definition, pornography of all kinds is made for an audience and the audience is complicit in the production by the act of watching.

charlemont

I'd kick the sh*t out of him and then call the Gardaí.

zyndacyclone

It's a perpatuation of abuse

And this is okay because...?

it isn't active abuse

Speaking as someone who has been through this, IT'S NOT OKAY TO GET SEXUAL PLEASURE FROM LOOKING AT CHILDREN BEING RAPED. Ever.

Ever.

It's worth examining, but that's something that would call for calm rational logic, not overstated populism

I don't see where populism comes into this, I was abused, it sucks, it's NEVER okay. Even in pictures. That I seem to be in the minority here depresses me. That you keep posting with long words and obscure sentences only says the same thing...you want an excuse not to report it.

Look, we are an educated bunch, obfuscating the issue won't make getting sexual pleasure from looking at children being raped any more acceptable.

Report him.

Wolfe Tone

Is being a pedophile a mental problem or is it a sexual orientation like being straight or gay is?

zyndacyclone

Being straight or gay is pretty normal sexuality.

Being bipolar or having aspergers is having a 'mental problem'.

Raping children or finding pictures of children being raped sexually exciting isn't in the same category as either.

Kidchameleon

D1stant wrote: »

Talk to him. Mandate that he gets counselling

Tell him that you will track the websites visited, bittorrents being downloaded and If there is one further indiscretion, you will report him

Eh you do realize there is more than one computer on the planet don't you?

The_Kew_Tour

charlemont wrote: »

I'd kick the sh*t out of him and then call the Gardaí.

so that you can get arrested for assault???bright idea..

Littlehorny

I hope this a question that you are only thinking about op, but if its a real life situation you have found yourself in i also HOPE you know what the right thing do is. Anything to do with the abuse of a child is zero tolerance!!!

zyndacyclone

These are just excuses. The clergy used them for years. I can't believe that we have learned nothing from this?

Andromeda_111

RustyNut wrote: »

Blast him with piss. :eek:

And that is why AH isn't the best place for a topic like this :rolleyes:

Quazzie

Littlehorny wrote: »

I hope this a question that you are only thinking about op, but if its a real life situation you have found yourself in i also HOPE you know what the right thing do is. Anything to do with the abuse of a child is zero tolerance!!!

The irony of your username and that post

KeithAFC

Disown him and not let him back in the family.

Elmidena

If you didn't know they were into child porn then what else are they into you don't know about?
Shop to the cops!

AG2R

Kick the living **** out of him and bring him down to the copper shop