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Melee Weapons in Irish Airsoft???

  • 10-09-2011 2:37am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    I have never come across the use of these in a game nor have I heard a proper discussion on the topic as people just laugh it off as a silly way of people trying to re-enact the Ubber Pwning of Noobz from the previouse nights C.O.D marathon which I would agree is very likely in most cases


    BUT


    Lets say your engaged in a scenario wherein you must actually physically sneak your way to accomplishing you Goals? No matter how much work you do on an aeg or a gbb its still going to be heard and from my mediocre experience and from the multiple discussions I've read through silencers have very litle or no effect.

    So???

    Could melee weapons actually be considered as a valuable peice of your kit with the above observation in mind?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭ touge_drift


    wouldnt trust most people with even the softest of training knife's.

    i was at a skirmish a few weeks back and seen a rubber training knife on a guy, asked him was it just for looks and he said no i'd give you a "good jab with it like" i then proceeded to tell him what would happen if he tried such act.

    personally if you want to simulate a knife kill etc or the likes whats wrong with all the sneeking then using your hand to deliver the kill or something to that effect?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    I had not thought of that but say if your someone like me with boney fingers and you were to give some-one a jab surely it would be more uncompertable then a training knife? also Iam not talking about these heavy weight martial arts training knifes but ones that you would associate the word "Nerf" with :) as in spongy in texture :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,005 NakedDex


    Here's the etiquette for how a "sneaky kill" works:

    Sneak up on your opponent.
    Tap them on the shoulder/back/leg.
    Inform them of their imminent demise while training your gun on them.
    Move on.

    Here's the etiquette for receiving a "sneaky kill":

    Notice the sudden tap of a body part.
    Make no noise.
    Quietly acknowledge the "hit" with a nod or whisper.
    Remove the magazine from your gun.
    Walk off without noise or fuss.


    I cannot see how a foam axe would fit into that perfectly formed system. Frankly, the idea of "melee weapons" is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 986 joe stodge


    this thread is as stupid as the "would you take a hit from a non-airsoft projectile" one from a while back.

    there is no need for melee weapons in airsoft, when most sites use a knife kill rule or something to similar effect.

    also touge_drift did it occur to you that there was a chance this fella could have said "i'd give you a good jab with it" in jest?? congrats on making yourself look like a tool by giving him a lecture on "what would happen".


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭ Zomg Okay


    I carry a rubber bayonet/knife on my leg but its mostly for show, to be honest.

    I'd love to give someone on the other team a tap with it but honestly, having to draw it would just be an inconvenience and in any case I'd have to have my 1911 out as well so they couldn't just chance shooting me.

    And, you know yourself, if the 1911 is out too I'd be better off just saying 'bang bang' from a few feet away, less chance of giving myself away by trying to sneak right up to them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭ Leftyflip


    Myself and a few of the guys I game with have those rubber bayonets, only really for silliness and a laugh. Using them for a knife kill is just a light tap on the shoulder, not stabbing them.

    AFAIK, we all got them just for sh*ts and giggles!


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,086 ✭✭✭✭ TheDoc


    I'm atleast happy to see people have untwisted their nickers and let players have them for display purposes, or to be used to tap on the shoulder.

    Telling people to remove their fake bayonets from their kit was just embarrasing and cringy


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭ Bobby Baccala


    i was told there was a lad at h.r.t.a throwing rubber knifes at people one of the days:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    NakedDex wrote: »
    Here's the etiquette for how a "sneaky kill" works:

    Sneak up on your opponent.
    Tap them on the shoulder/back/leg.
    Inform them of their imminent demise while training your gun on them.
    Move on.

    Here's the etiquette for receiving a "sneaky kill":

    Notice the sudden tap of a body part.
    Make no noise.
    Quietly acknowledge the "hit" with a nod or whisper.
    Remove the magazine from your gun.
    Walk off without noise or fuss.


    I cannot see how a foam axe would fit into that perfectly formed system. Frankly, the idea of "melee weapons" is ridiculous.


    Jaysus iam not saying F*** the lot of yee i want Melee weapons I only asked for an opinion on the subject Not for anyone to jump down my throat!

    Also anyone who has played in Cork or against wiskey delta knows that the honer sytem of I can shoot you but you should probably surender either ends up with your face getting filled with bb's or the person you have silently killed yelling "A FECK I GOT KILLED" as a way of signalling everyone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    joe stodge wrote: »
    this thread is as stupid as the "would you take a hit from a non-airsoft projectile" one from a while back.

    there is no need for melee weapons in airsoft, when most sites use a knife kill rule or something to similar effect.

    also touge_drift did it occur to you that there was a chance this fella could have said "i'd give you a good jab with it" in jest?? congrats on making yourself look like a tool by giving him a lecture on "what would happen".

    I see your just mostly bitching about the thread and other peoples comments
    So... if you dont want to discuss the topic go moan somewhere else :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    P4DDY2K11 wrote: »
    i was told there was a lad at h.r.t.a throwing rubber knifes at people one of the days:D

    Indeed I heard that also and they were sourced from here! Something also mentioned about a certain team beginning with S is to blame :eek: :D

    But those bits of metal covered in rubber are a bit much even in my unbalanced and disturbed books! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,005 NakedDex


    F.U.B.A.R wrote: »
    Jaysus iam not saying F*** the lot of yee i want Melee weapons I only asked for an opinion on the subject Not for anyone to jump down my throat!

    Perhaps you should stop taking Internet threads so personally and re-read the post. I gave my opinion without personalisation or aggression. Cool your jets.
    Here's the synopsis: I'm ok with people displaying rubber knives on their person for the sake of a loadout, but I'm not comfortable with their use. I don't trust the majority of skirmishers to even toss a grenade safely, never mind surprise me with a sharp object.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    NakedDex wrote: »
    Perhaps you should stop taking Internet threads so personally and re-read the post. I gave my opinion without personalisation or aggression. Cool your jets.
    Here's the synopsis: I'm ok with people displaying rubber knives on their person for the sake of a loadout, but I'm not comfortable with their use. I don't trust the majority of skirmishers to even toss a grenade safely, never mind surprise me with a sharp object.

    Theres the rubber knifes again :rolleyes: I dont advocate the use of rubber knifes as melee weapon either and I personally would not go as far as getting one for the sake of a loadout :) Iam discussing the use of Foam or "Nerf" weapons as the yanks refer to them and sorry I had'nt had my morning cup of tea :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,005 NakedDex


    Rubber, foam, Nerf, plastic... whatever. Synonyms and semantics. Regardless, they're display pieces, not something I'd like to see use in a gaming role.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    Ok :) But I wouldnt mind giving it a go and I certainly wont be throwing them as that is ridiculous :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭ lucozader




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭ Bobby Baccala


    i havnt a clue why people are goin mad about the whole rubber knives thing i think its just for a bit of fun and added realism but i could never get into it i rather bang kills.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,061 Arkslippy


    The problem with them is who and where is the line drawn.

    All aegs work in the same principal and they are the tools of the game. If you want to play knives and swords, go larping instead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    Arkslippy wrote: »
    The problem with them is who and where is the line drawn.

    All aegs work in the same principal and they are the tools of the game. If you want to play knives and swords, go larping instead.

    Eh no :D These can be marshalled in the same manner One quick breifing at the start of a game on how not to use it would suffice and if there is people out there that really shouldnt have a rubber knife well tough sh1t as there are plenty out there that shouldnt have an aeg :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭ andy_g


    P4DDY2K11 wrote: »
    i was told there was a lad at h.r.t.a throwing rubber knifes at people one of the days:D

    I play most weeks at the site mentioned above and have never seen one thrown or being thrown.

    So care to mention your source you can pm me about it.

    Also to the fact that it is not true.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    I have to admit it is one of those things that people would be ranting and raving about it and there would probably be Gardai involved aswell :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭ Bobby Baccala


    the person that told me about it was fairly reliable in fact hes one of the mods so i doubt he'd be bothered to make up a lie like that but i could be wrong ill ask my friend he was there when we were being told about it


  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭ lucozader


    billy+predator+knife.jpg

    me with a knife at last weeks airsoft game

    knifes are great fun


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    lucozader wrote: »
    billy+predator+knife.jpg

    me with a knife at last weeks airsoft game

    knifes are great fun

    Okay................

    any seriouse thoughts on the topic at hand???????


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,125 ✭✭✭ Bobby Baccala


    i think knifes should be 100% acceptable theyre just for a bit of a laugh and to me thats all airsofting is about


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭ swiftblade


    F.U.B.A.R wrote: »
    Okay................

    any seriouse thoughts on the topic at hand???????

    At a milsim, ok I suppose. Still should only be used as a tap on the shoulder.

    Using training knives at your average Sunday skirmish? No way in hell.

    :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,005 NakedDex


    F.U.B.A.R wrote: »
    Eh no :D These can be marshalled in the same manner One quick breifing at the start of a game on how not to use it would suffice

    "Eh no", as you put it. There's more than a few Missing Links in this game that can't even handle basic AEG's safely and responsibly, regardless of briefings or marshalling. Having same people running around thinking they're about to re-enact Commando is a prospect that would turn me off participating.
    Conversely, if I know the player and trust them, I'd have no issue. For example, if Doc decided he was going to use his +10 Bayonet of Milsim (+3 strength, +4 attack, -2 accuracy), I'd have no quibble. If the random guy in the safe zone kitting up with a strange grin, one pistol and four Nerf axes in a bag is intending on using said foam devices, I'll sit that out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,638 F.U.B.A.R


    Ok Iam beggining to see your argument Dex and yes swiftblade a tap on the shoulder will do I personally would prefer it to a slashing motion that I might react to in a violent manner ie disarming the poor deluded sod But that would also make me a poor deluded sod.....:eek:

    So average joe soap with a training knife is a nono

    and a couple of experienced level headed lads in a milsim with foam knifes is ok?

    I think thats a reasonable result :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 Alan b.


    too many idiots in the sport to trust with them, not to mention the idiots that have the attitude of "If i saw a knife instinct would kick in and....bla.....bla....ego stroking....bla bla"
    that has been shown on this forum in the past.

    no reason you cant grab somebodys shoulder or leg and said you're dead.
    cheaper too as ya dont need to go buying a fake knife.

    if people could be trusted, which they cant, then i think it could add to a game alright.
    as of now, bestas a decorative piece on your kit.

    as for the bang/stealth kill and people shooting you, unload a full mag into them at close range and they'll learn for next time that taking the bang kill hurts less.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭ swiftblade


    Alan b. wrote: »
    as for the bang/stealth kill and people shooting you, unload a full mag into them at close range and they'll learn for next time that taking the bang kill hurts less.

    Irony? You just said about how many ego idiots would try dissarming someone, yet you say you would unload a full mag into someone at close range? :confused:


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