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Bike to Work scheme - the Megathread - Read post #1 before posting

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,564 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    At least you'll be able to cycle to your next job.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Hopefully a big company or public service where this goes unnoticed, best of luck if not. Funny a person in HR and payroll needed to come onto boards to verify what they apparently should know already.

    As for the fines and litigation, lol, the company will just pull the plug and your new co workers will really appreciate you.

    As for discrimination, not at all. The scheme must be applied with the same conditions for all employees. If one of those conditions is being with the company for 6+ months, well, I doubt revenue are going to go to court to bother arguing the toss about that one.

    Surely a quiet word with your line manager rather than whoever your "country head " is more civil and appropriate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Folks, I've a question for anyone who's employer has provided the Bike to Work scheme through the website biketowork.com (aka HubEx)

    The particular bike I'd like is only available from Decathlon, who aren't in the biketowork.com network of shops

    They do take direct payments by providing an invoice

    So I'm wondering if anyone has managed to workaround the issue by providing an invoice to biketowork.com?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,596 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    No workaround unfortunately, because decathlon won’t deal with any of the 3rd party providers because they charge a percentage to the shop



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Darn 😭

    I'm going to see if I can get my employer to provide a direct payment option, but I suspect they'll tell me to f**k off unfortunately

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • I was in the same boat recently and was told exactly that. They don't want to faff around and prefer to just use the existing service. Its not their problem if certain businesses don't want to be part of those



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Explain to your employer that there actually isn't a difference to them aside from the effort required to set up another supplier in their accounts system.

    These middlemen companies don't offer any benefits other than they act as a single payment point for the B2W scheme.

    When I availed of the scheme last year, my employers allowed me to deal directly with the shop once I explained this to them. My payroll dept thought that they had to deal with the shysters! Furthermore, for me doing this directly with the shop meant that the shop received the full invoice amount - with the shysters, a cut is taken from the retailer. As I dealt directly with the shop, I got a discount from them. Furthermore, the shop I dealt with have a surcharge for using the shyster companies apparently due to the extra effort required on the retailer by the shyster (which I think is partly down to the shysters delaying payment).



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    The bike to work scheme needs to change to be mandatory and also to allow direct payments. No reason these middle men shysters should be profiting for doing the bare minimum. Correct me if I'm wrong but all they're doing is taking the companies money and making up a payment voucher to pay the shop.

    The employer still has to make a bank transfer, sort your wages, and the employee has to go through the effort to create an account on their portal. So much easier to just send over an invoice to accounts...



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'll give that a shot, hopefully they're in an understanding mood

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah it's a bit silly that it's still up to the employer to actually provide the scheme. Can't see why individuals can't just apply through revenue myaccount and just get a tax credit relative to the value of the bike

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,370 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well HR got back and as expected said f**k off. Apparently there's some automation in the background which would mean they can't process the payment (in other words, it's more work and they don't want to do it)

    Well....back to the drawing board I guess

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Bit like my place, it is annoying as it is actually F All work but they have a "policy".



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,236 ✭✭✭Idleater


    My place switched from in-house "phone the shop with a finance credit card" to the outsourced taxsaver/biketowork because finance (day to day) was moved to another office (and country).



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    If i claimed in 2021 last do i need to complete 4 years to claim again?

    Basically is it 2024 or 2025 when i can use the scheme again?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is based on calendar (tax) years so if you availed of it in 2021 then the next time you could avail of the scheme would be anytime from Jan 1st 2025.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,527 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Thanks & lousy as i hoped it was anytime in year 4 it can be claimed again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭LillyIsland


    Is there any way to schedule the cycle-to-work payments to get closer to the 52% saving?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If you think you will get paid more in the next tax year, try and set it up that most of the payments come out next year. If pay is likely to stay the same, aim for starting half way through, therefore half applies to one year and half to the next. Of course if you are into the 52% tax bracket by more than the price of the bike, then it doesn't matter when you do it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,695 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    In the above scenario if you pay half one year and half the next year (e.g. end of 23/start of 24) what year would you be able to claim again; 4 years from 23 or 24?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 37,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,201 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Does it not have to be all paid in the one tax year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭cletus


    That's the way it works in some public sector areas, anyway. Payment window is January to November, regardless of when you start paying



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle




  • Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭LillyIsland


    How can you work out how much you will save on this scheme? I used this ( https://www.cyclescheme.ie/calculator ) and it says 48.75% but my employer is saying it will be around 30%.

    I don't go into the higher income bracket with my salary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,564 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the payments get taken out of your pre-tax salary and you don't then pay tax on it. So you can't save at a higher rate than you are paying tax at.

    If you're a standard rate taxpayer you'll probably save 20% tax, 4% PRSI and 4% USC but it depends on your exact salary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭Delboy007


    Hi I am going to be using d cycling to work scheme for a cargo bike so limit is 3k. I have asked my work how much will I have to pay each Mt, after tax and they are no help at all and I can not figure it out. I have looked up online and the Mt payments after tax range from 120 to 175

    So I earn 53k a year, married. If I use d full 3k how much will I have to pay each mt/year after tax.

    Thanks for any help



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Your in the higher tax bracket, so back of the envelope, in my head, your net wages will decrease by 125euro/month, probably a bit less but this is in my head, if you spend close to the full 3k. Basically 125 net, 250gross, is 3k a year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭Miss Informed


    Hi there! I'm going to avail of the cycle to work scheme and I'm on a fixed term 9 month contract at work. There's a possibility of being kept on but I won't know whether that's happening til later this year.

    My question is: do you save less if you pay over 9 months than you would if paying over 12?


    Here are the other figures in the equation - all monthly (not annual figures):

    Gross salary 4,045

    USC 65.90

    PRSI 161.82

    Employer PRSI 447



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭cletus


    You don't save less, they just split the payments over 9 months, so each monthly repayment will be a bit more than over 12 months



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭thebiglad


    The saving comes off your tax liability as it deducts from your gross salary before any tax is applied - saving would not change if you pay back your employer in 1 or 12 instalments. If you left employment they would take any amount remaining from last salary anyhow.



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