The Devil Is Afraid of Holiness

Keaton

As Cardinal-Archbishop, Blessed Schuster never failed to direct the energies of his priests toward the One Thing Necessary. A few days before his death he withdrew to the seminary he had built and there he delivered a final message to his seminarians, warning them of the futility of an apostolate without personal holiness:

I have no memento to give you apart from an invitation to holiness. It would seem that people are no longer convinced by our preaching; but faced with holiness, they still believe, they still fall to their knees and pray. People seem to live ignorant of supernatural realities, indifferent to the problems of salvation. But when an authentic saint, living or dead passes by, all run to be there. . Do not forget that the devil is not afraid of our [parish] sports fields and of our movie halls: he is afraid, on the other hand, of our holiness.

http://vultus.stblogs.org/2011/08/blessed-ildefonso-cardinal-sch.html

alex73

Holiness, real holiness is the best way of keeping the Faith alive, it confounds the world. Mother Teresa, used as an example many times, was a great example.

Beggared

If the Devil is afraid of Holiness how did he work up the courage to rebel against God?

alex73

Padre Pio is also another example, once cast out by the Church as possessed he turned out to be a Saint.

mcmoustache

Beggared wrote: »

If the Devil is afraid of Holiness how did he work up the courage to rebel against God?

Alcohol is something that the devil encourages so He must be fond of it Himself. I'd imagine He might have been drunk that time. I'm not sure what He's like these days, though. With the world as it is now, the devil must have sobered up and got His shít together.

Keylem

Our Lady, the Most Holy creature that God ever created is the complete opposite of everything the devil is! She is pure and holy, he is diabolical and evil, and he is terrified of her. The devil flees when the we pray the Holy Rosary. The angel Gabriel was sent from Heaven and greeted her as "Full of Grace", and highly favoured of God!

http://www.michaeljournal.org/rosarypower.htm


Fr. Gabriele Amorth: The Devil is Terrified of the Mother of Jesus
Father Gabriele Amorth, exorcist of the Diocese of Rome for the past 21 years, priest of the Society of Saint Paul, and specialist in the figure of Mary, assures us that the devil is terrified of the Mother of Jesus Christ because she crushes his head.

Seaneh

Wouldn't the most holy creature that God ever created be his son and not some 14 year old girl from palatsine?

She was just a woman.

alex73

Seaneh wrote: »

Wouldn't the most holy creature that God ever created be his son and not some 14 year old girl from palatsine?

She was just a woman.

God didn't create Christ.

Beggared

That sounds like the propoganda that is spouted by both sides in a war. Both predict victory but only one will win. How do you know he is terrified of her? He is an Archangel, the most powerful creature God ever created. Why would he be afraid of a woman?

Cybercelesta

Beggared wrote: »

That sounds like the propoganda that is spouted by both sides in a war. Both predict victory but only one will win. How do you know he is terrified of her? He is an Archangel, the most powerful creature God ever created. Why would he be afraid of a woman?

He is a FALLEN archangel, and has no power even over men, unless they allow him! She is the Queen Mother of the King of Heaven, and Queen of the Angels, the woman of Genesis who is destined to crush the head of Satan!!!

alex73

Beggared wrote: »

That sounds like the propoganda that is spouted by both sides in a war. Both predict victory but only one will win. How do you know he is terrified of her? He is an Archangel, the most powerful creature God ever created. Why would he be afraid of a woman?

Satan hates her, because she has God on her side.

ballsymchugh

mcmoustache wrote: »

Alcohol is something that the devil encourages so He must be fond of it Himself. I'd imagine He might have been drunk that time. I'm not sure what He's like these days, though. With the world as it is now, the devil must have sobered up and got His shít together.

why did Jesus turn water into wine then?

Cybercelesta

Seaneh wrote: »

Wouldn't the most holy creature that God ever created be his son and not some 14 year old girl from palatsine?

She was just a woman.

The Apostles Creed:

BEGOTTEN not MADE of one being with the FATHER.

Cybercelesta

ballsymchugh wrote: »

why did Jesus turn water into wine then?

Because he could......he is also able turn bread and wine into His Body and Blood at the command of the Priest at Holy Mass!!!

Beggared

Cybercelesta wrote: »

He is a FALLEN archangel, and has no power even over men, unless they allow him! She is the Queen Mother of the King of Heaven, and Queen of the Angels, the woman of Genesis who is destined to crush the head of Satan!!!

I missed the bit where he had his powers revoked. Where is that detailed? Has a "good" Archangel have power over men that Satan hasn't? Angels don't have a corporeal form, exactly how will this head crushing happen? The rest of your post is very like the undeserved reverence that all Royalists have for Kings and Queens everywhere.

BTW hate is not fear.

Beggared

Cybercelesta wrote: »

The Apostles Creed:

BEGOTTEN not MADE of one being with the FATHER.

Aren't we all? Bar Adam and Eve of course.

Cybercelesta

Beggared wrote: »

I missed the bit where he had his powers revoked. Where is that detailed? Has a "good" Archangel have power over men that Satan hasn't? Angels don't have a corporeal form, exactly how will this head crushing happen? The rest of your post is very like the undeserved reverence that all Royalists have for Kings and Queens everywhere.

BTW hate is not fear.

Angels are messengers of God and have no power without His willing it, the devil has limits!!!

MARY’S ENMITY TOWARDS SATAN WAS ABSOLUTE.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm21.htm

Seaneh

alex73 wrote: »

God didn't create Christ.

"first born over all creation", no?

Cybercelesta

Seaneh wrote: »

"first born over all creation", no?

Mary: 'Full of Grace'.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Full_of_Grace.asp

Beggared

Cybercelesta wrote: »

Angels are messengers of God and have no power without His willing it, the devil has limits!!!

MARY’S ENMITY TOWARDS SATAN WAS ABSOLUTE.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2bvm21.htm

According to that text Mary won't be doing any head crushing, it will be Jesus doing that. What else are you mistaken about?

These texts aren't very consistant. Maybe they should be locked away in the Vatican Library along with all the other conflicting contemporaneous texts that were edited out of the Bible.

Keylem

Mary is the Vessel that that God used to bring His Son into the world, and Mary is the Vessel that Jesus uses to crush the head of Satan!!! The new Adam and the New Eve!

Keylem

Beggared wrote: »

According to that text Mary won't be doing any head crushing, it will be Jesus doing that. What else are you mistaken about?

These texts aren't very consistant. Maybe they should be locked away in the Vatican Library along with all the other conflicting contemporaneous texts that were edited out of the Bible.

The bible came from the Church, not the Church from the bible!

gimmebroadband

The CC put together the canon of the bible....amazing how some think they cannot interpret it properly!! :rolleyes:

eddieiguana

I was born a Catholic so therefore by birth I am a christian if I were born a Muslim I would worship Allah, in In India a Hindu, I would worship an elephant . Why do you not question, Padre Pio had stigmata in his hand , Jesus had nails in his wrists. Why do Mathew and mark in the bible give different accounts of Jesus life? I think there is something a miss. First time on the boards!

Beggared

Keylem wrote: »

The bible came from the Church, not the Church from the bible!

So the Bible is a creation of man, not the word of God and the Church is based on a man made book?

If you guys had dug Jesus' grave he would never have been able to climb out of it. You're not very good at this God stuff really? Why aren't you out doing the Nine First Fridays Novena? You still do those don't you?

Cybercelesta

eddieiguana wrote: »

I was born a Catholic so therefore by birth I am a christian if I were born a Muslim I would worship Allah, in In India a Hindu, I would worship an elephant . Why do you not question, Padre Pio had stigmata in his hand , Jesus had nails in his wrists. Why do Mathew and mark in the bible give different accounts of Jesus life? I think there is something a miss. First time on the boards!

For starters, no-one is born a Catholic/Christian, you have to be baptised to be one!

If two people witnessed a car accident, and the police wanted a written statement of what they saw. A week or so later you can bet they will both write different versions of the same accident. one would write details of the accident that other might have missed/forgotten.

Cybercelesta

Beggared wrote: »

So the Bible is a creation of man, not the word of God and the Church is based on a man made book?

If you guys had dug Jesus' grave he would never have been able to climb out of it. You're not very good at this God stuff really? Why aren't you out doing the Nine First Fridays Novena? You still do those don't you?

Sarcasm aside, the bible was 'written' down by man, the contents were inspired by God! And what has Novena's to do with anything????

Sounds like you're definately no expert at 'God' stuff!!!

For your perusal!

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02543a.htm

DublinWriter

mcmoustache wrote: »

Alcohol is something that the devil encourages so He must be fond of it Himself. I'd imagine He might have been drunk that time.

As Tom Waits said, maybe there's no devil, maybe it's just God when he's drunk.

DublinWriter

Keylem wrote: »

The bible came from the Church, not the Church from the bible!

Nope, it came from the Roman Emperor Constantine, a committed life-long Pagan.

alex73

DublinWriter wrote: »

Nope, it came from the Roman Emperor Constantine, a committed life-long Pagan.

You need a history lesson

lmaopml

DublinWriter wrote: »

Nope, it came from the Roman Emperor Constantine, a committed life-long Pagan.

Well, that's me - I'm converting straight away to Paganism!....just like Constantine the Great..lol

Keaton

Cybercelesta wrote: »

For starters, no-one is born a Catholic/Christian, you have to be baptised to be one!

If two people witnessed a car accident, and the police wanted a written statement of what they saw. A week or so later you can bet they will both write different versions of the same accident. one would write details of the accident that other might have missed/forgotten.

Exactly. It is actually testimony to their authenticity that the Church did not 'edit' the Gospels to make them exactly 'match up'.

The devil cannot defeat the humility of Our Lady. Humility is the one thing the demons are unable to imitate or defeat.

Beggared

Humility is one thing the Church should brush up on.

Keaton

Beggared wrote: »

Humility is one thing the Church should brush up on.

I think all the members of the Church ought to foster this virtue. I know I'm as proud as punch. But a good way to be properly disposed for humility is to be brought down a peg. I think that has happened to the Church here in Ireland.

gimmebroadband

Beggared wrote: »

Humility is one thing the Church should brush up on.

The whole world should brush up on it, myself included!

Yes, the Church needed a kick in the pants to give it a wake up call, now it's time to eat humble pie and solider on with the important issue of spreading the gospel and helping to save souls!!!

eddieiguana

Cybercelesta wrote: »

For starters, no-one is born a Catholic/Christian, you have to be baptised to be one!

If two people witnessed a car accident, and the police wanted a written statement of what they saw. A week or so later you can bet they will both write different versions of the same accident. one would write details of the accident that other might have missed/forgotten.

I know but Mathew and mark have two different accounts of the trial of Jesus and the hour of his death, surly such a life altering experience would be remembered more accurately. I mean they were witnessing the trial and death of the son of god not a car crash!

eddieiguana

I think the bible came from lots of different writers over the years,this suited the agendas of the church control the uneducated.

gimmebroadband

eddieiguana wrote: »

I think the bible came from lots of different writers over the years,this suited the agendas of the church control the uneducated.

They obviously let one slip away! :rolleyes:

eddieiguana

Why go on a form if you are going to insult people, its just conversation. If you are offended just say, so it is not my intent.

gimmebroadband

eddieiguana wrote: »

Why go on a form if you are going to insult people, its just conversation. If you are offended just say, so it is not my intent.

What you posted was nonsense, implying that the Church had an agenda to entrap the uneducated, you need to brush up on your history, or maybe you have facts to back up that statement that I may have missed!

I left school at 13, so I didn't have much in the way of a full education, but life taught me more than any school ever could. My own father left school at much the same age (RIP), and had a book published in his late 60s!

Uneducated doesn't equal stupid!

It was a quick banter I posted and I apologise if I offended you, I thought you might have seen the funny side of it!

PDN

eddieiguana wrote: »

Why go on a form if you are going to insult people, its just conversation. If you are offended just say, so it is not my intent.

Look, normally we discourage posters from criticising each other's grammar or spelling. But there is a delicious irony when someone who, from their posts, appears to be semi-literate, bangs on about the religious being uneducated.

eddieiguana

Forgive me but you are educated you can express yourself well in the written language probably better than I, as you have pointed out ( I am dyslexic) The point I was making was in early christian days only the scribes and and upper classes were educated in the written word. The bible was first written in Greek then Latin.It was not until the introduction of Protestantism was it translated into English.

sing_dumb

In summer 2004 when Ireland was flying high, the Celtic Tiger was in full bloom and we all thought we were invincible, my Mother was at a talk given by a Lay Christian speaker from Carlow, at a Prayer meeting. That man stated that his main mission in life was to warn others that Satan had been un-leashed on the World, and that everywhere, especially Ireland would soon feel the impact. One of the other elderly ladies there interupted and said she was 82yrs old, and Satan was ALWAYS in the world, but the man said..."Mrs XXX you did not hear me properly, yes Satan was ALWAYS in the world, but he was on a leash, now he was un-leashed and free to do his utmost damage". He said that Ireland was living in a house built on quick-sand, and very soon it's Church, it's Banks, it's Government and all it's staple major institutions would collapse, and that we would return to what we Irish always knew best, ie emigration and want. He also warned that God was very angry with the present-day Soddom + Gommorahs, such as the Asian countries which traded on child-sex, drugs, voodoo, etc etc, and would destroy them. Call that man a fool if you will, but, on Dec 26th that same year, the Tsunami happened, Katrina the next year, and the Pakistani earthquake a few weeks later. As for his dire warnings for Mother Ireland......well I'll let you judge that for yourselves.

PDN

eddieiguana wrote: »

Forgive me but you are educated you can express yourself well in the written language probably better than I, as you have pointed out ( I am dyslexic) The point I was making was in early christian days only the scribes and and upper classes were educated in the written word. The bible was first written in Greek then Latin.It was not until the introduction of Protestantism was it translated into English.

My apologies. If I had thought you were dyslexic I wouldn't have dreamed of making a crack like that. It was crass and thoughtless of me, and I would ask your forgiveness.

eddieiguana

No problem.

Seaneh

Cybercelesta wrote: »

Mary: 'Full of Grace'.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Full_of_Grace.asp

Grace is something that we all have, it literally means God's unmerited favour.

Cybercelesta

Seaneh wrote: »

Grace is something that we all have, it literally means God's unmerited favour.

Yes, but we lose that grace when we sin, Mary never did lose that grace from the moment of her conception! She alone through the merits of her Son was conceived without the stain of original sin, as she is to be the pure and spotless Mother of God!

Magnificat!

My Soul Magnifies the Lord (only a pure soul COULD magnify the Lord)
And my spirit rejoices in God my Saviour,

fedor.2.

alex73 wrote: »

Holiness, real holiness is the best way of keeping the Faith alive, it confounds the world. Mother Teresa, used as an example many times, was a great example.

Maybe ignorance is bliss after all

PDN

Cybercelesta wrote: »

Yes, but we lose that grace when we sin,

Er, not quite. Quite the opposite really.

"The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more." (Romans 5:20)

The wonderful thing about grace - what John Newton found so amazing about it - is that God loves us when we are still in sin and sent His Son to die for us.

Cybercelesta

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

1861 "Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back …"

We receive sanctifying grace (the life of God in our soul) at Baptism. We lose it if we commit a mortal sin, that is, we are no longer in a state of grace. If we have lost the state of grace by mortal sin, we regain it in the sacrament of penance (reconciliation, confession). That is why the Catechism also says:

1415 "Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance."

Receiving Communion in the state of mortal sin (when we are not in the state of grace) is the sin of sacrilege, which itself is another mortal sin, as described in the Catechism:

2120 "Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God. Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us."

PDN

Cybercelesta wrote: »

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

1861 "Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God's forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ's kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back …"

We receive sanctifying grace (the life of God in our soul) at Baptism. We lose it if we commit a mortal sin, that is, we are no longer in a state of grace. If we have lost the state of grace by mortal sin, we regain it in the sacrament of penance (reconciliation, confession). That is why the Catechism also says:

1415 "Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in the state of grace. Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance."

Receiving Communion in the state of mortal sin (when we are not in the state of grace) is the sin of sacrilege, which itself is another mortal sin, as described in the Catechism:

2120 "Sacrilege consists in profaning or treating unworthily the sacraments and other liturgical actions, as well as persons, things, or places consecrated to God. Sacrilege is a grave sin especially when committed against the Eucharist, for in this sacrament the true Body of Christ is made substantially present for us."

I think I'll stick with what the Bible says about grace. But thanks for the information.