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Why is Ireland so dog un-friendly?
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02-09-2011 11:09am#1
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OK I understand that some people are scared and dislike dogs, however we're just back from France and it would be such an easy country to bring our two on holidays to. Well behaved dogs are welcome everywhere and because they are, right from puppyhood, they are very well socialised and behave excellently. I have to say they put our two to shame, granted Sindy would be lovely and quiet, but the little guy Fargo would have a way to go yet before we would inflict him on the restaurant/cafe/pub going public.
I have to say that MOST (generalising) dog owners would think about others first and only bring a well socialised dog into somewhere like this, because believe me no one is more uncomfortable with an ill mannered dog usually than the person at the other end of the lead
There is a market, maybe only in large tourism areas, but it is there. It is so hard at weekends and holidays to find things to do that you can bring the dogs to. Ours are alone when we're in work so at the weekends we don't like to leave them for long periods of time too much, and weekends away are just really hard as it entails having someone stay in the house if we want to go away, or kennels which are expensive and I don't think would suit our two.
As to the they're only dogs comment, yes they are, but they're my dogs 0 -
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It's a very sad and sorry thing to see this H&S bull destroying the character of Ireland.
A quiet dog sleeping under the stool of it's owner (generally an old man) was always a common sight in pubs in Ireland......not any more though
What harm does a dog in a pub cause?0 -
I used to work in a pub in London and dogs were regular visitors - we didnt have a beer garden so they were in the pub under the tables. We served food etc and it was no problem. Some of the 'regulars' used to come behind the bar looking for a sausage from the fridge or a bag of pork scratchings! 0
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I used to work in a pub in London and dogs were regular visitors - we didnt have a beer garden so they were in the pub under the tables. We served food etc and it was no problem. Some of the 'regulars' used to come behind the bar looking for a sausage from the fridge or a bag of pork scratchings!
I was asked to leave the beer garden in the Temple Bar pub with my little guy when he was a pup
The floor is tiled in this area - maybe this was the reason????0 -
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I was at Starbucks yesterday afternoon with a friend and my dog. They had no problem with my pup being under the table. The waitress did make a joke about not tying her to the table in case she'd go flying with it (believe that was in a film/ad recently) :rolleyes: But it was a joke and they were fine about it. She even asked if the dog would like a coffee or if I needed a bowl for water. I assured her the dog was fine as I had a bottle of water and her travel bowl with her. We'd just been for an incredibly long walk so she was quite content to sit under my chair and watch things go by and ended up having a snooze for awhile. In the time that we were there, two "yummy mummies" arrived with their brood who proceeded to destroy the place. The screaming and running around were the worst. There was an older couple seated next to us at one of the outdoor tables who had plenty of tsk tsk tsking and :rolleyes: (eye rolling) the lady leaned over at one point and even made the comment of "I thought your dog would have been the one causing havoc - but look at those kids! Shocking. Your dogs so good I can't believe it. Its a pitty yer ones in there (jabs thumb at the yummy mummies can't leash train those kids!":D:D Delighted wasn't the word! And as a side note - the waitress had been really nice and accomodating with our visit and she was rewarded with an 8 euro tip from the pair of us. So, to any wait staff out there - doggy people are delighted when their dog can snooze under their chair and will tip nicely for that privledge! 0
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Kali_Kalika wrote: »I was at Starbucks yesterday afternoon with a friend and my dog. They had no problem with my pup being under the table. The waitress did make a joke about not tying her to the table in case she'd go flying with it (believe that was in a film/ad recently) :rolleyes: But it was a joke and they were fine about it. She even asked if the dog would like a coffee or if I needed a bowl for water. I assured her the dog was fine as I had a bottle of water and her travel bowl with her. We'd just been for an incredibly long walk so she was quite content to sit under my chair and watch things go by and ended up having a snooze for awhile. In the time that we were there, two "yummy mummies" arrived with their brood who proceeded to destroy the place. The screaming and running around were the worst. There was an older couple seated next to us at one of the outdoor tables who had plenty of tsk tsk tsking and :rolleyes: (eye rolling) the lady leaned over at one point and even made the comment of "I thought your dog would have been the one causing havoc - but look at those kids! Shocking. Your dogs so good I can't believe it. Its a pitty yer ones in there (jabs thumb at the yummy mummies can't leash train those kids!":D:D Delighted wasn't the word! And as a side note - the waitress had been really nice and accomodating with our visit and she was rewarded with an 8 euro tip from the pair of us. So, to any wait staff out there - doggy people are delighted when their dog can snooze under their chair and will tip nicely for that privledge!
Great story Kali kalika, laughing at the dog being offered a coffee, can just imagine my dog with a dose of caffeine in her.
Where was this Starbucks? Great, refreshing attitude to have. I'm sure you would have been asked to leave if your dog caused problems, but as your dog was a model of good behaviour, they saw you as the good customer you were, and got rewarded with a handsome tip. A win-win situation all round.0 -
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To some extent you are. You want to have dogs treated on an equal footing as human beings in establishments where food and drink is served. It's just not appropriate regardless of how nice the animals are. On the continent, France in particular, it is quite common to see small dogs in restaurants, although this is most often in the outside dining areas. TBH the French go overboard to the point of eccentricity about their pets. It has to be said that their dogs are way better behaved than their average Irish counterparts. If dog owners addressed that particular issue maybe they would have more friends and fewer enemies.No body is talking about humanising dogs, which is a whole different topic, I am talking about the convenience of being able to get a cup of coffee or a beer while I am out for the day with my dog. Or being able to go away for a weekend and bring her with me without having to pay through the nose for the privilage. This isn't a new idea, It works in other countries, why not here?
I had to laugh when a poster said this
Did the poster mean dog poop? Because that is the first thing that would have popped into many peoples's minds. Not a great agrument for the dog lobby.ncmc wrote:What about stuff people drag in on the soles of their shoes
As for the old gent with the dog under the stool anecdote what about the good old days when we used to keep the livestock inside the house? We've just got them out and now we have people campaigning to have animals allowed in restaurants. I think we are ahead of our continental cousins on this one and we should stay ahead.0 -
To some extent you are. You want to have dogs treated on an equal footing as human beings in establishments where food and drink is served. It's just not appropriate regardless of how nice the animals are. On the continent, France in particular, it is quite common to see small dogs in restaurants, although this is most often in the outside dining areas. TBH the French go overboard to the point of eccentricity about their pets. It has to be said the dogs are way better behaved than their average Irish counterparts. If dog owners addressed that particular issue maybe they would have more friends and fewer enemies.
I had to laugh when a poster said this
Did the poster mean dog poop? Because that is the first thing that would have popped into many peoples's minds. Not a great agrument for the dog lobby.
As for the old gent with the dog under the stool anecdote what about the good old days when we used to keep the livestock inside the house? We've just got them out and now we have people campaigning to have animals allowed in restaurants. I think we are ahead of our continental cousins on this one and we should stay ahead.
I am NOT talking about animals being treated equally to humans. I don't expect them to be allowed pull up a chair to the table and eat off the crokery! I am talking about sitting quietly under a table (acting like a dog in other words) while their owners have a coffee or a bite to eat.
The dragging in stuff on the soles of shoes was a tongue in cheek remark to the ridiculous poster going on about saliva.0 -
Tonge in cheek or not, exactly what were you thinking was on the soles of the shoes? Come on now, be honest. We're all friends here.I am NOT talking about animals being treated equally to humans. I don't expect them to be allowed pull up a chair to the table and eat off the crokery! I am talking about sitting quietly under a table (acting like a dog in other words) while their owners have a coffee or a bite to eat.
The dragging in stuff on the soles of shoes was a tongue in cheek remark to the ridiculous poster going on about saliva. 0 -
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Tonge in cheek or not, exactly what were you thinking was on the soles of the shoes? Come on now, be honest. We're all friends here.
Dog poo, bird poo, that iccy crap that leaks from the bottom of bins, general grime, cow poo if you're in the country! all possible to be on shoes and slightly more dangerous than dog saliva! (I don't actually think any of these are dangerous, it was a response to the ridiculous argument that dogs shouldn't be allowed in establisments because of their saliva!)0 -
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To some extent you are. You want to have dogs treated on an equal footing as human beings in establishments where food and drink is served. It's just not appropriate regardless of how nice the animals are. On the continent, France in particular, it is quite common to see small dogs in restaurants, although this is most often in the outside dining areas.
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TBH the French go overboard to the point of eccentricity about their pets. It has to be said that their dogs are way better behaved than their average Irish counterparts. If dog owners addressed that particular issue maybe they would have more friends and fewer enemies.
Again, more generalising.I had to laugh when a poster said this
Did the poster mean dog poop? Because that is the first thing that would have popped into many peoples's minds. Not a great agrument for the dog lobby.
Chewing gum, saliva that scumbags hack up in the street, vomit outside pubs, cigarette butts...As for the old gent with the dog under the stool anecdote what about the good old days when we used to keep the livestock inside the house? We've just got them out and now we have people campaigning to have animals allowed in restaurants. I think we are ahead of our continental cousins on this one and we should stay ahead.
Ironically we lag far behind some of our European counterparts in animal welfare.
I grew up with dogs, rabbits, fish, terrapins and at one stage even had a box of snails as pets.:D. I was obsessed with animals and how they lived, what their purpose was (bees and honey etc). Nowadays little tarquin and penelope aren't allowed touch any animals, have to use dettol "no hands" antibac soap and get sick at the slightest sniffle. We've gone backwards not forewards if you ask me.0 -
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