tv coverage of pro12

armchaircoach

Have just been on the pro12 website, those of us who were looking forward to weekends of watching rugby will be sorely disappointed. Very very few matches are on channels available to us. Rte in particular seems to have given up, with just 10 matches spread over 4 provinces this side of the new year.

I'm a season ticket holder, so will still get to see a good bit of the action, but we will all miss out on keeping tabs on the opposition.

profitius

RTE doesn't seem to be too interested. They're more interested in league of Ireland soccer and a foreign soccer league.

MungBean

BBCw/BBCNI/S4C/RTE/TG4 all available to most people whether on Sky/other channels or Free view right?

Only problem for me is alot of good games are only on TG4 so if they are going to stick with the Gailge like last year then it will be tough watching. Anyone know if they scrambled together an ounce of cop on and decided to have English commentary ?


http://www.rabodirectpro12.com/matchcentre/schedule.php

durkadurka

Can you get bbcw on UPC?

MrFrisp

durkadurka wrote: »

Can you get bbcw on UPC?

I think upc use the N.I. feed...(I could be wrong though).

If that's the case then you can't do anything about it...

If you had a dish,,you could tune in any variation of it that you liked.

.ak

Silly move by RTE, as I think the league had a record amount of viewers last year.

Also it might reflect poorly on the sport here. Wasn't there a lot of commotion about the matches being removed from free-to-view last year? What was the result there? I presume the motion got thrown out? But what was the point of all the petitions and outcry when it appears our national broadcaster has lost interest?

Digifriendly

All matches are FTA and if you have Saorview/Freesat combo receiver you can watch the whole lot. If you can receive Saorview and Freeview from Wales as many can along the eastern seaboard then you get everything apart from BBC Alba/BBCNI. If you have Saorview and can receive Freeview/Analogue from N. Ireland then you get all the matches in Ireland and some featuring Irish sides playing in Wales/Scotland. So I don't think it's that bad.

CatFromHue

I don't know the full ins and out for RTE but with the World Cup on at the same time it would be expected that the Pro 12 might have to take a step back.

Tomorrow night Ireland play Slovakia in a pretty important football game, a game I'd expect them to show. After it there are highlights of the rugby.

Digifriendly

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't know the full ins and out for RTE but with the World Cup on at the same time it would be expected that the Pro 12 might have to take a step back.

Tomorrow night Ireland play Slovakia in a pretty important football game, a game I'd expect them to show. After it there are highlights of the rugby.

Ospreys vs Leinster is live on BBC2W (Satellite/Freeview from Wales) and 301 (Freeview both Wales and NI).

CIARAN_BOYLE

I suspect that RTE and the other stations will up their coverage after the RWC is over. The Pro 12 isn't as attractive without the internationals. Leinster alone are missing 14 players who are at the WC.

icdg

Well according to that broadcast schedule both RTÉ and TG4 have a match each gameweek other between now and the New Year, other than:
- Gameweek 1, where RTÉ have rights to the Ospreys v Leinster match but aren't showing it live because there's live football being screened at the same time,
- Gameweek 3, RTÉ don't have a game for reasons I'm not clear about. (Only thing that strikes me is that that Saturday is the day of Ireland v Australia and RTÉ may prefer to show extended highlights of that instead. Leinster v Glasgow is that day).
- Gameweek 5 - TG4 don't have a game.

BBC NI have all of Ulster's home games live and most of their away ones.

Now arguably, in gameweek 1, TG4 should have opted to show Ospreys v Leinster and RTÉ could have shown Munster v Dragons with no clash with the football (there is no Premier Soccer Saturday this week and even if there were it could easily have been shifted). Maybe TG4 had first pick and didn't want to swap. I'm also unclear as to why RTÉ, even though it steadfastly refuses to do red button, couldn't show the BBC Wales coverage on RTÉ.ie.

Overall though, there doesn't appear to be any massive drop in coverage from last year. RTÉ will have 3 hours+ of rugby every day during the World Cup. It should be pointed out that the only thing that stopped the exact same clash happening on the first day of the season last year was the fact that the Republic of Ireland game was with Armenia and kicked off at 4:00pm (and thus was well over in time for RTÉ to show Glasgow v Leinster directly after).

Remember also: Treviso/Aironi home games will not be on TV anywhere, until an Italian broadcaster decides to pick up the rights.

Piliger

I won't be watching any matches in a language I don't understand .. I cannot believe RaboDirect can be happy with the coverage...

Btw ... no sign of a pro12 app yet ?

Fireball07

Piliger wrote: »

I won't be watching any matches in a language I don't understand .. I cannot believe RaboDirect can be happy with the coverage...

Btw ... no sign of a pro12 app yet ?

TG4 have as much right to show the games as anyone...I don't really see the problem. A lot of commentators are rubbish anyway.

MungBean

Fireball07 wrote: »

TG4 have as much right to show the games as anyone...I don't really see the problem. A lot of commentators are rubbish anyway.

Problem is the vast majority of the people who will be watching the game would like to hear it in a language they can understand. And because you think a lot of commentators are rubbish means there's no need for it at all ?

theboss80

They really should have gone down the line of S4C though and offer the choice of listening to live commentary in English if we want to. Considering the whole country speaks English and all game noise/ref talk is in English there should be an option , I mean its not like its being produced by TG4 in the same manner as their homegrown shows (Ros na Run) but rather than facilitating the viewing of a sport.

I do think it will affect the viewership numbers considering S4C/BBC will show all games aswell if Irish provinces are involved.The only games I'd say we wont be able to watch/listen in English will be the away games in Italy.

MungBean

theboss80 wrote: »

I do think it will affect the viewership numbers considering S4C/BBC will show all games aswell if Irish provinces are involved.The only games I'd say we wont be able to watch/listen in English will be the away games in Italy.

There's 7 games between now and the end of the year only on TG4. 4 of those are between Irish provinces. And where other broadcasters know that the best way to broadcast something is in the language of the target audience the numpties at TG4 have yet to catch on.

Digifriendly

theboss80 wrote: »

They really should have gone down the line of S4C though and offer the choice of listening to live commentary in English if we want to. Considering the whole country speaks English and all game noise/ref talk is in English there should be an option , I mean its not like its being produced by TG4 in the same manner as their homegrown shows (Ros na Run) but rather than facilitating the viewing of a sport.

I do think it will affect the viewership numbers considering S4C/BBC will show all games aswell if Irish provinces are involved.The only games I'd say we wont be able to watch/listen in English will be the away games in Italy.

Don't forget BBC Alba have Scottish Gaelic commentary only although their pre/half time/post match analysis is in English. Problem I think may be that at present there is no interactive service on either Saorview or satellite for RTE/TG4 so no alternative commentary. In time of economic recession and broadcasters cutting back rather than spending, the extra cost of interactive may be some way down the track unfortunately.

Piliger

Digifriendly wrote: »

In time of economic recession and broadcasters cutting back rather than spending, the extra cost of interactive may be some way down the track unfortunately.

That sounds fine until you realise that the coverage rights was sold to TG4, who outbid RTE ...

Yet we the people own both channels, so it is completely artificial bidding and we the people get screwed as a result.

Fireball07

Skunkle wrote: »

Problem is the vast majority of the people who will be watching the game would like to hear it in a language they can understand. And because you think a lot of commentators are rubbish means there's no need for it at all ?

Is the commentary that important? I know a lot of people just complain about the commentators in any case when they can understand them. Watching the match is more important to me really, and I quite like the TG4 commentators really.


And I know not everyone can understand it, but they use pretty basic irish and most of the time it's pretty easy to understand what it means.

MungBean

Fireball07 wrote: »

Is the commentary that important? I know a lot of people just complain about the commentators in any case when they can understand them. Watching the match is more important to me really, and I quite like the TG4 commentators really.


And I know not everyone can understand it, but they use pretty basic irish and most of the time it's pretty easy to understand what it means.

Doest matter how basic it is if you dont speak the language you cant understand it. And Commentary is important whether you like or dislike the people doing it. Simple things like clearing up what a penalty was given for, especially in a fast paced game, facts about players and plays and such.

Not everyone watching it is an expert and knows everything thats happening. For people just getting into the sport its important to have a guide and that comes in the form of commentators explaining what is happening and why with some of the more complicated aspects of the game.

Watching the game is the most important thing but its made that bit harder when its commentated on in a language you dont understand, its bearable for an existing fan who wants to see the match but mind numbingly frustrating for others.

It all boils down to the fact that its not necessary to have the commentary solely in Irish. I've seen plenty of English language stuff on TG4. Whether it bothers you or not it bothers a lot of people, and theres no need for it. Its as simple as saying "lads, speak english on the game" to the commentators. 2 seconds, 6 words and the vast majority of viewers can understand it. But they would rather be awkward and have it in a dead language because they are too ignorant to move forward with the rest of the country.

Saruman

I got the Ospreys match tuned in (sky other channels) by half time and almost wish I hadn't.

OldRio

Interesting stuff about TG4.
Suprised that some people need a commentator to tell them what is going on.
How on earth do you manage when you watch a game live?????

wixfjord

OldRio wrote: »

Interesting stuff about TG4.
Suprised that some people need a commentator to tell them what is going on.
How on earth do you manage when you watch a game live?????

Absolutely!
Maybe it's from watching GAA on it, but I've no problem watching a game in Irish, even though I don't understand all of it, because it's so fast.
Don't understand all this giving out about it, fact is, if it weren't for TG4, many of these games probably wouldn't be on RTE either I'd say.

Just put it on mute ffs!

Also, if you could understand Welsh or Irish, I'm sure the **** commentating would annoy you more! TG4 in particular are very bad.

MungBean

OldRio wrote: »

Interesting stuff about TG4.
Suprised that some people need a commentator to tell them what is going on.
How on earth do you manage when you watch a game live?????

So why not have no commentary at all ? Why do broadcasters pay people to commentate on the game when there is absolutely no need for them ?

Are broadcasters stupid ? No, apart from TG4 that is they know that commentators on a live TV match adds an extra dimension, it also opens the game up to new people and makes the entire thing a lot more entertaining.

I'm surprised some people need strangers to point out obvious facts to them because they are incapable of thinking themselves. How on earth do you manage to get through life ????????? Go troll somewhere else.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Sometimes I mute it and put on the radio for commentary if the match is on radio. I usually just ignore the commentary as I tend to have a good grasp of the game or give my Irish a work out. If I get too stuck I tend to ask on the match thread here. What was tha penalty for.

Overall its grand.

MungBean

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Sometimes I mute it and put on the radio for commentary if the match is on radio. I usually just ignore the commentary as I tend to have a good grasp of the game or give my Irish a work out. If I get too stuck I tend to ask on the match thread here. What was tha penalty for.

Overall its grand.

You not find it a bit ridiculous that you'd have to do that to watch a match though ?. Its on TV, you pay your licence and subscription to sky/upc or have whatever yet need a TV, Radio and the internet to get out of a game what should be included in the original broadcast.

MungBean

wixfjord wrote: »

Absolutely!
Maybe it's from watching GAA on it, but I've no problem watching a game in Irish, even though I don't understand all of it, because it's so fast.
Don't understand all this giving out about it, fact is, if it weren't for TG4, many of these games probably wouldn't be on RTE either I'd say.

Seeing as TG4 outbid RTE then if it wasnt for TG4 the games would be on RTE in English and there wouldnt be an issue.

Just put it on mute ffs!

Days of silent TV are long gone, I pay for the ability to watch stuff on TV that interests me, its the broadcasters job to make these things available to the audience and the audience is primarily English speaking. To have it only in Irish is just stupid and ignorant.

Also, if you could understand Welsh or Irish, I'm sure the **** commentating would annoy you more! TG4 in particular are very bad.

The possibility that someone would annoy me is a pretty lame excuse to have it in another language entirely. I'm not saying it shouldnt be in Irish on an Irish channel but its not like Wales, very few people here speak Irish and to buy the rights to Rugby matches only to braodcast it in Irish will create hassle for a lot of people and 100% stop any new views from watching those games. Rugby is growing TG4 should encourage its growth not try knock it back through lack of cop on.

skregs

Skunkle wrote: »

But they would rather be awkward and have it in a dead language because they are too ignorant to move forward with the rest of the country.

My friend, the only one who is ignorant here is you.

Diabhal Beag

TG4 bought the rights so they're going to do commentary in a "dead" language if they want. They aren't even using difficult Irish either and I have a lot of friends who don't really know a lot of Irish but can follow the match no problem.

It's a very "throwing your toys out of the pram" argument.

Hagz

It's annoying alright, but whatever. I'm more interested in the game than the commentary so I don't mind having to watch a match in a language I don't understand maybe 4 to 5 times a year.

BTW, I've noticed some people saying how basic the Irish is, and how it's easy enough to grasp what they are saying. I don't think you realize the level that irish is spoken in some places. I can tell you now, that the only words I can pick up are "agus" and "chuig" etc, and they don't exactly give me a grasp of what the commentators are saying::pac:

jacothelad

OldRio wrote: »

Interesting stuff about TG4.
Suprised that some people need a commentator to tell them what is going on.
How on earth do you manage when you watch a game live?????

It's a bit sterile watching a game with no sound. It is simply annoying to listen to it being described in another incomprehensible language which to the untrained ear sounds like a cat with a chest infection gargling with phlegm and being strangled at the same time.

Skunkle wrote: »

So why not have no commentary at all ? Why do broadcasters pay people to commentate on the game when there is absolutely no need for them ?

Are broadcasters stupid ? No, apart from TG4 that is they know that commentators on a live TV match adds an extra dimension, it also opens the game up to new people and makes the entire thing a lot more entertaining.

I'm surprised some people need strangers to point out obvious facts to them because they are incapable of thinking themselves. How on earth do you manage to get through life ????????? Go troll somewhere else.

The reason why sports commentators are almost exclusively ex participants is because their input is needed to control the camera work and the director's input. You can see how shocking it would be without them. We still get long shots of a player's bald spot or the colour of his boots while a scrum or lineout is taking place.

MungBean

I'm just getting insults and stupid arguments thrown at me. Its very much the typical Irish response of "ahh shur it'll be alright cant ya pretend its ok".

Same people will criticize players for not being of standard yet ignore the fact that the broadcaster broadcasting the match is so incompetent as to not make it available in the language of the people that will be watching it.

I'm done posting in this thread.

wixfjord

Skunkle wrote: »

Seeing as TG4 outbid RTE then if it wasnt for TG4 the games would be on RTE in English and there wouldnt be an issue.

So you really think RTE would show Connacht, Leinster and Munster all in one weekend eh? I certainly don't. If it wasn't for TG4, many of the games simply would not be on. Take this weekend for example. Would RTE send an OB crew to Cork, Italy and Wales? Think not.

Days of silent TV are long gone, I pay for the ability to watch stuff on TV that interests me, its the broadcasters job to make these things available to the audience and the audience is primarily English speaking. To have it only in Irish is just stupid and ignorant.

You don't pay for TG4, (unless you're being very, very pedantic) and as for your vendetta against the Irish language, well that's the ignorant thing imo

The possibility that someone would annoy me is a pretty lame excuse to have it in another language entirely. I'm not saying it shouldnt be in Irish on an Irish channel but its not like Wales, very few people here speak Irish and to buy the rights to Rugby matches only to braodcast it in Irish will create hassle for a lot of people and 100% stop any new views from watching those games. Rugby is growing TG4 should encourage its growth not try knock it back through lack of cop on.What, you expect TG4 to betray it's core reason for being, and simply bow to people like you, who didn't pay attention in Irish class? TG4 is encouraging growth, growth in the main area it cares about, the Irish language, and is certainly the most forward thinking channel in the country.

Stupid and ignorant eh? At least I can speak our native language to a reasonable level. :rolleyes:

MungBean

wixfjord wrote: »

Stupid and ignorant eh? At least I can speak our native language to a reasonable level. :rolleyes:

And along comes more insults, well done you aint you a fantastic human being.

Added to ignore so no point insulting me further.

wixfjord

Skunkle wrote: »

And along comes more insults, well done you aint you a fantastic human being.

Added to ignore so no point insulting me further.

I don't know what you think an insult is!

Perhaps you could argue the points instead of being melodramatic though eh?

Hagz

wixfjord wrote: »

Stupid and ignorant eh? At least I can speak our native language to a reasonable level. :rolleyes:

In fairness Wixfjord, that's a fairly petty response. "didn't pay attention in irish class", "At least I can speak our native language".

Nice.

jacothelad

wixfjord wrote: »

Stupid and ignorant eh? At least I can speak our native language to a reasonable level. :rolleyes:

Surely the 'native' language of a country isn't the one that used to be spoken but the one that is spoken by the vast, vast majority of 'native' Irish here. Otherwise the population of Dublin and it's area would have a native language akin to Danish / Norwegian from the Vikings and the populace of Waterford would speak French after the Normans. We in Antrim would probably have one historical native languaqe closer to the Scot's Gaelic of the Western Isles and another similar to Lallans..

There is nothing wrong with wishing to preserve a language for posterity and to ensure that those for whom it really is their first language are not penalised. I spend some time in the Donegal Gaeltacht. It's a very interesting experience. I'm not convinced that it is the role of the government to do so. I'm even less convinced that it is best served through the medium of a rugby series.

There seems to have developed a sort of Language Facism around Irish these days. In N.I. for example the local Stormont Assembly government, at the behest and ultimately the co-ercion of one faction, translate all documents into Irish. To date this has cost over £20,000,000. Enough to keep open a few hospital wards or build 8 primary schools or save the lives or at least improve dramatically the quality and survival of hundreds of cancer sufferers. You probably won't be surprised to learn that in the years that this has gone on, not one person has actually asked to see a translated document.

MungBean

wixfjord wrote: »

I don't know what you think an insult is!

Perhaps you could argue the points instead of being melodramatic though eh?

Couldnt resist having a peek and felt the need to address this seeing as your under the impression I have either called you personally ignorant and that you havent insulted me in the least bit.

Stupid and ignorant eh? At least I can speak our native language to a reasonable level

Here you talk as if I have called you stupid and ignorant when the fact is I havent called anyone on this thread stupid or ignorant other than TG4, unless your name is TG4 and your a TV channel I have said nothing to insult you. Then you continue to throw the "insult" back at me. So yes you did insult me. So why on earth would I argue any points with you when even in your argument your constantly coming our with crap like "your vendetta against Irish which is the ignorant thing" and ridiculous rubbish like "bow to people like you, who didn't pay attention in Irish class".

I addressed your points in the other post in what I thought was a reasonable manner, whereas you were out to make shít of my opinion and call me ignorant from the start because you took personal offence to me calling a TV channel ignorant and stupid.

Your the one being melodramatic and insulting people. All I did was discuss the topic of the thread.

wixfjord

Hagz wrote: »

In fairness Wixfjord, that's a fairly petty response. "didn't pay attention in irish class", "At least I can speak our native language".

Nice.

Hold on now, I've absolutely no time for anyone giving out about our language. If you can't speak Irish, it's your own fault, not anyone else. Don't come and mouth about not being able to understand commentary, and throwing around words like stupid and ignorant, about a station who are to be commended for their forward thinking and the services they provide.

How about you attack the post and not the poster, or perhaps provide a counter argument?

Nice indeed.

wixfjord

Skunkle wrote: »

Couldnt resist having a peek and felt the need to address this seeing as your under the impression I have either called you personally ignorant and that you havent insulted me in the least bit.



Here you talk as if I have called you stupid and ignorant when the fact is I havent called anyone on this thread stupid or ignorant other than TG4, unless your name is TG4 and your a TV channel I have said nothing to insult you. Then you continue to throw the "insult" back at me. So yes you did insult me. So why on earth would I argue any points with you when even in your argument your constantly coming our with crap like "your vendetta against Irish which is the ignorant thing" and ridiculous rubbish like "bow to people like you, who didn't pay attention in Irish class".

I addressed your points in the other post in what I thought was a reasonable manner, whereas you were out to make shít of my opinion and call me ignorant from the start because you took personal offence to me calling a TV channel ignorant and stupid.

Your the one being melodramatic and insulting people. All I did was discuss the topic of the thread.

Pure semantics, and fact is you're misconstruing my words. You in no way addressed the points I made, and in fact, I simply don't respect what you're saying tbh, because a lot of it is probably based on an unwillingness to learn our language, yet give out about an independent station who give you access to games which RTE wouldn't.

Hagz

wixfjord wrote: »

Hold on now, I've absolutely no time for anyone giving out about our language. If you can't speak Irish, it's your own fault, not anyone else. Don't come and mouth about not being able to understand commentary, and throwing around words like stupid and ignorant, about a station who are to be commended for their forward thinking and the services they provide.

How about you attack the post and not the poster, or perhaps provide a counter argument?

Nice indeed.

You shouldn't be calling people who don't know Irish ignorant. I for one haven't bashed TG4 for broadcasting in Irish, yet you have insulted me in your comments. If you must know, I don't have a good grasp of the Irish language. Not one person in my family does, so when I was at the young age of 10 or 11, I was more interested in Donkey Kong than I was Irish. And I don't think that's my fault either. How can you expect a 10 year old to give a toss about things like culture and the preserving of a language. As a result, when I was 13 I was streamed into a very low level class where the teaching methods were poor and lazy, thus furthering my disinterest in the language. Now obviously I could go learn the language by myself now. In a way that's differs from writing to my pen pal in Spain, but I choose not to. Because I don't feel the need to be able to speak it.

That does not make me ignorant, that makes me someone who chooses not to speak irish. You may get annoyed at people who give out about Irish, but your comment attacks more than those people.

MungBean

wixfjord wrote: »

Pure semantics, and fact is you're misconstruing my words. You in no way addressed the points I made, and in fact, I simply don't respect what you're saying tbh, because a lot of it is probably based on an unwillingness to learn our language, yet give out about an independent station who give you access to games which RTE wouldn't.

In post #27 I addressed your points reasonably I thought, without insulting you. Your response to that post was a mixture of insults, attacks and false accusations.

And your off again, assuming the problem is not that the channel wont show it in a language the majority of the people speak but "because a lot of it is probably based on an unwillingness to learn our language".

There is two languages in Ireland. Irish and English. Only one of them is widely spoken, English. I'm not watchin some French channel and moaning about not being able to understand it. The MAIN language of Ireland is English, whether I want to learn it or not I dont think it unreasonable to wish to listen to match commentary in a language I understand which also happens to be the main spoken language of this country.

This is not a TG4 made program aimed directly at an Irish speaking audience, its something that has up until last year always been shown with english commentary and which the primary audience is english speaking.

matthew8

I have no problem with Connacht games being in Irish on TG4 to help reach out to the Irish speakers of Mayo and Galway, but sometimes it is ridiculous which games are on TG4. The Leinster Munster 5 in a row first competitive game in New Lansdowne was on TG4 which was mad.

RoryMc23

wixfjord wrote: »

Hold on now, I've absolutely no time for anyone giving out about our language. If you can't speak Irish, it's your own fault, not anyone else. Don't come and mouth about not being able to understand commentary, and throwing around words like stupid and ignorant, about a station who are to be commended for their forward thinking and the services they provide.

How about you attack the post and not the poster, or perhaps provide a counter argument?

Nice indeed.

Wixfjord, a lot of people I know, including myself, spoke Irish to a very high standard in school. The problem is that the language is never used in this country and after a decade or two of simply not having to use the language one forgets most of it. I would understand your argument if the Irish language was still used by even a small percentage of the population but the fact is, even in the Gaeltacht areas, the population now speak english first and Irish second (apart from the summer when students are about)

I think its completely unfair to take the games and then have only Irish commentary when 99% of people won't understand the vast majority of the commentary. I understand TG4 are perfectly entitled to have commentry in whatever language they choose having won the bidding but a much more reasonable scenario would be match commentary in english and panel discussion in Irish. I mean do they honestly think having Irish commentary is going to revive the language? If anything it makes people more frustrated with Irish

ArmaniJeanss

matthew8 wrote: »

sometimes it is ridiculous which games are on TG4. The Leinster Munster 5 in a row first competitive game in New Lansdowne was on TG4 which was mad.

Its hardly 'ridiculous' for them to pick Munster v Leinster if this game is on in a week that they have first choice. It would be frankly ludicrous for them not to pick this game.

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There is however an interesting element of commercial realities - when RTE show a sports event they are expected by us license payers to justify it in a commercial sense and to maximise the revenue they get from it via stuff like advertising, program sponsorship, phone in comps, all of which is directly related to the amount of viewers you get.

Ditto TV3/Setanta/Sky have to look at an event purely commercially, 'we pay X for the rights, it costs us a further 3X to bring it to screen, how do we maximise our chances of getting 4X+ from it and making a profit?'

Whereas TG4 seem to be allowed to burn money as by transmitting as Gaeilge they are definitely stopping a big amount of viewers watching, and hence reducing their revenue from the game.

So is it fair that TG4 are allowed to burn money on sporting events when they are in competition against stations who have to look at the bottom line.

theboss80

Bhuel Dia Naofa

:pac:

Hagz

theboss80 wrote: »

Bhuel Dia Naofa

:pac:

Well Holy God

:pac:

Piliger

Ultimately we should be complaining to two organisations.

We should be complaining to the Government department that allows two government stations to compete against each other, and hence increase the costs to the tax payer while restricting the section of the public who can access the service.

We should be complaining to the IRFU who are being extraordinarily stupid in selling coverage to an organisation that is de facto limiting the number of rugby fans who will watch the rugby games. It is not helping rugby one iota.

skregs

Disgusting amount of pig ignorant fools in this thread. If you don't want to learn Irish, don't. Just don't sit there whining because other people have pride in their language.

Hagz

skregs wrote: »

Disgusting amount of pig ignorant fools in this thread. If you don't want to learn Irish, don't. Just don't sit there whining because other people have pride in their language.

I presume by "pig ignorant" you are referring to the people who are complaining about the games being shown in Irish. In which case that's 3 people. I'd hardly call that a disgusting amount.

And I'd advise you to have a greater perspective on the topic. The 3 people aren't just "whining" about not being able to understand the game, they are "whining" about the poor effect it has on the sport in this country.

sock puppet

I really don't mind watching it in Irish. Sure the reflink makes a good portion of the commentary redundant anyway.