Sunvic Digital Timer

Paschcom

Hi
I have a Sunvic Select 307 XLS timer running my CH and HW. The CH or HW hasn't been on over the summer (thanks to solar panel), but when I tried to turn on the CH tonight, the timer which had been on standby over the summer, wouldn't work. On each of the three channels, as soon as I turn it to On, Auto or All Day the timer starts clicking and flashing on and off maybe twice a second. It stops when I turn it back to Off. I pressed the Reset button, but its still the same.
The boiler is getting some signal from the timer and does try to come on, but then stops again and then turns on again a few seconds later, so I think it is working.
Any thoughts?
tks
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JohnnieK

It's possible the programmer is just loose on the back plate. Try turning the power off and push the programmer home, there a 2 small screws under the programmer, tighten these and try it again.

Paschcom

JohnnieK wrote: »

It's possible the programmer is just loose on the back plate. Try turning the power off and push the programmer home, there a 2 small screws under the programmer, tighten these and try it again.

Thanks - I took a look at these screws and they are quite tight and its firmly on the back plate, so no joy there.
The timer unit does feel a bit warm thou! Is that normal?
Any more ideas before I call an electrician?

Marcanthony

i was waiting to see the advice on the thread before i posted.any way here goes.

on them time clocks. there is a devise that kicks in and drops the tempeture to a low setting. hense allowing the boiler to heat but goes off on a low setting.this devise is added to the timer to notify the user of the system to get an annual service and needs to be reset and just pushing the reset button will not do it(or fiddling with it).it starts flashing for a while before it goes into that mode (warning sign its ready to go into that mode) and once in that mode will flash also.

you need a boiler or due a boiler service and the timer needs to be reset .Your boiler service man will know how to reset this.Meention the time clock system to the service engineer before he arrives.

"horses for courses"

yoshytoshy

Paschcom wrote: »

Thanks - I took a look at these screws and they are quite tight and its firmly on the back plate, so no joy there.
The timer unit does feel a bit warm thou! Is that normal?
Any more ideas before I call an electrician?

The sunvic clocks have weak catches on the backplates ,theres also been a lot of problems with them.
They can burn out after a year or two ,I use to install them but not anymore

Marcanthony

yoshytoshy wrote: »

The sunvic clocks have weak catches on the backplates ,theres also been a lot of problems with them.
They can burn out after a year or two ,I use to install them but not anymore

will you stop talking cr*p.You fit these then you should know i am correct. Before you fit any more take a course on how each specific model of the manufactores timers work.
Listen to the cause he can not reset manual and constant flashing.boiler starts then goes OFF............


"NO WONDER YOU DONT FIT THEM ANY MORE"

yoshytoshy

Marcanthony wrote: »

will you stop talking cr*p.You fit these then you should know i am correct. Before you fit any more take a course on how each specific model of the manufactores timers work.
Listen to the cause he can not reset manual and constant flashing.boiler starts then goes OFF............


"NO WONDER YOU DONT FIT THEM ANY MORE"

You're a busy bee ,do you type with a stilson ?

Marcanthony

yoshytoshy wrote: »

You're a busy bee

just like to help the the ops out with the correct diagnosis.To save them from obtuse tradesmen .Dont take any offence.

:P"HORSES FOR COURSES"

yoshytoshy

It's common knowledge that sunvic clocks suddenly die and it's happening with the latest clocks aswell.

The old single channels are notorious for it.

And for your information ,I'm going back to customers for over twenthy years ,not because I shout at them.

Marcanthony

yoshytoshy wrote: »

It's common knowledge that sunvic clocks suddenly die and it's happening with the latest clocks aswell.

The old single channels are notorious for it.

And for your information ,I'm going back to customers for over twenthy years ,not because I shout at them.

The ops original quireie was
I have a Sunvic Select 307 XLS timer running my CH and HW. The CH or HW hasn't been on over the summer (thanks to solar panel), but when I tried to turn on the CH tonight, the timer which had been on standby over the summer, wouldn't work. On each of the three channels, as soon as I turn it to On, Auto or All Day the timer starts clicking and flashing on and off maybe twice a second. It stops when I turn it back to Off. I pressed the Reset button, but its still the same.
The boiler is getting some signal from the timer and does try to come on, but then stops again and then turns on again a few seconds later, so I think it is working. AND IDENTIFIED IN ANOTHER POST THE SCREWS WHERE OK.

Now i am not going to give my SENSES to you.But do you mean. you have to keep going back to customers over the last 20 years because ????????????well thats what i ment by obtuse. Do you diagnose the problem what is told to you "AS STATED ABOVE" or is it a case of "MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO":P

NO CLIENT SHOULD BE SHOUTED AT THAT EMPLOYS YOUR SERVICE (BUT SINCE THEIR PAYING THEY CAN SHOUT TO THE WORLD IF THEY WANT ABOUT THE SERVICE THEY OBTAINED).CLIENTS ARE YOUR FUTURE EARNINGS.EVER WOUNDER WHY SONS AND DAUGHTERS NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO ASSIST/FOLLOW WITH THEIR PEERS CARRER or why good tradesmen are always busy(boom or no boom)? WELL MY MOTO IS ........... IF THE CLIENT CALLS YOU BACK ITS FOR A REASON..........AND IF THEY OR THEIR FRIENDS/FAMILY DONT CALL YOU BACK FOR WORK REASONS OUTSIDE PROBLEMS FOR WORKS PROVIDED ALREADY.WELL THATS UP TO YOU TO DETERMAIN WHY.

JohnnieK

I rang Chronotherm Controls today and apparently there is no service function on the 307xls. There diagnosis is to remove the programmer from the back plate and check the contacts, that failing the programmer needs to be replaced. Hope this helps.

yoshytoshy

You acused me of talking crap ,when i clearly wasn't.
I'm not here looking for work ,the lads here know that. I've no reason to insult people here.

Marcanthony

yoshytoshy wrote: »

You acused me of talking crap ,when i clearly wasn't.
I'm not here looking for work ,the lads here know that. I've no reason to insult people here.

i am not here looking for work either.(work is easy to come by, its getting the proper staff is my problem)i am providing free good advice to the ops(read all my posts and you will find that out. pros that thought they know their stuff and i even advised them ). now if as you stated in previous quotes you fit these for a living.Read the post the ops supply and then advice.if you where a lay man. my opinion would differ and i would advice the lay man and not insult.

Marcanthony

JohnnieK wrote: »

I rang Chronotherm Controls today and apparently there is no service function on the 307xls. There diagnosis is to remove the programmer from the back plate and check the contacts, that failing the programmer needs to be replaced. Hope this helps.

fu*k sake. no wounder the country is the way it is. if what i said is not the cause or what i said is cr*p about that model of timer. i will donate 100 euro to a charity the op nominates and post receipt of payment on this thread.


"customer service has a lot to be desired however so is the fitter if he has to ask them how it works "

AND JOHNNIEK KEEPING TO YOUSELF IN COLLEGE BEACAUSE ALL THE OTHER LADS WHERE ONLY INTERESTED IN THEIR PROTENTIONAL EARNINGS DID NOT HELP

JohnnieK

Marcanthony wrote: »

AND JOHNNIEK KEEPING TO YOUSELF IN COLLEGE BEACAUSE ALL THE OTHER LADS WHERE ONLY INTERESTED IN THEIR PROTENTIONAL EARNINGS DID NOT HELP

Can you explain this statement? And why capitals? I know that the Sunvic 307xls dose not have the function that you described so I dont see what your problem is. You cant be right on everything Marcanthony. The way you go on some times (some times) makes me think you have been around since the big bang and that you think you are an authority on everything. The original OP is probably more confused now than before they came on hear.

I dont normally rant, a couple of can's of Hieniken might have something to do with it:D:D:D

Marcanthony

JohnnieK wrote: »

Can you explain this statement? And why capitals? I know that the Sunvic 307xls dose not have the function that you described so I dont see what your problem is. You cant be right on everything Marcanthony. The way you go on some times (some times) makes me think you have been around since the big bang and that you think you are an authority on everything. The original OP is probably more confused now than before they came on hear.

I dont normally rant, a couple of can's of Hieniken might have something to do with it:D:D:D

if you pardon my parlance..........i put my money. where my mouth is? you do the same and ill find/obtain info and post on this site........your a pluming contractor...prove to your protential clients ...your know how

the op was advised and i am sure will confirm in the near future.....charity needs your money........

your still on line at editing this.....so are you giving money to charity

Marcanthony

well jonniek.................any reply

Marcanthony

http://www.sunvic.co.uk/

johnniek,
you just went off line a couple of seconds after my last post. you have confirmed they dont work the way i stated. so since you did not take the challenge of a donation to charity. i will accept an appology for your accusation i was wrong.
its a safty system built in...check it out. Now read the original posters problem.
lik attached at the top of post will get you there or bottom link Copy and paste and google will bring you direct).

"A closed mouth catches no flies and a closed mouth does not get fed":P

and just to confirm i have not been aroud before the big bang....but i know 3 wise men that where around before christ




www.sunvic.co.uk/Sunvic_Catalogue.pdf

JohnnieK

Hi Marcanthony

Thanks for the link's but they still dont confirm you are right or that you are wrong about the safety service function. If you like I can investigate further your claim that 307xls has this function.

The Danfoss FP715si has this function and the installer must contact Danfoss technical to learn how to set it up. (It is written in the installation manual).

Perhaps you can tell us how it is set up on the 307xls because I cant find it on the web or Sunvic's site.

The sunvic Service Sentinal range has this function for sure (Simpro, Simplex100 and simplex200) they are programmable room stats the op dose not have one of these. A select 307xls is simple compared to these controllers. They are to satisfy gas regs in the uk.

I hope the original OP comes back to tell us what the outcome was.
Oh and by the way your tone with posters is disgraceful. I dont know if it is intentional but please reply to this with no sarcasm or the like.

I wouldn't bother, John, Is this about who's right or putting a problem to bed I find winning is over rated but fixing things is nice.

slavetothegrind

op does the display say "service " on it or anything?

heat build up could well be poor contacts

i din't think they had the sentinel feature either but there ya are!

op there should be an isolating fuse beside the timeclock in it's own plate you could remove this and then safely remove the screws and check for obvious signs of poor contacts ( blackening) maybe flick off the mcb for the circuit aswell to be safe.

Marcanthony

gary71 wrote: »

I wouldn't bother John, Is this about who's right or putting a problem to bed I find winning is over rated but fixing things is nice.

since i have educated you already in your field of expertise. "GARY71" id say you know best.so is it a case for you of "give a man enough of rope and.................................. :P


"Knowledge is about awareness and understanding of facts"

Marcanthony

slavetothegrind wrote: »

op does the display say "service " on it or anything?

heat build up could well be poor contacts

i din't think they had the sentinel feature either but there ya are!

op there should be an isolating fuse beside the timeclock in it's own plate you could remove this and then safely remove the screws and check for obvious signs of poor contacts ( blackening) maybe flick off the mcb for the circuit aswell to be safe.

whats your catch prase "experience and knowledbe I would like to share" and you know all about them now.isnt that amazing.



now dont get involved in things you know little or noting about.:P

Marcanthony

JohnnieK wrote: »

Hi Marcanthony

Thanks for the link's but they still dont confirm you are right or that you are wrong about the safety service function. If you like I can investigate further your claim that 307xls has this function.

The Danfoss FP715si has this function and the installer must contact Danfoss technical to learn how to set it up. (It is written in the installation manual).

Perhaps you can tell us how it is set up on the 307xls because I cant find it on the web or Sunvic's site.

The sunvic Service Sentinal range has this function for sure (Simpro, Simplex100 and simplex200) they are programmable room stats the op dose not have one of these. A select 307xls is simple compared to these controllers. They are to satisfy gas regs in the uk.

I hope the original OP comes back to tell us what the outcome was.
Oh and by the way your tone with posters is disgraceful. I dont know if it is intentional but please reply to this with no sarcasm or the like.

once again pardon my parlance...............
you would make a great JCB. cos you keep digging a hole for yourself. read the thread in full and read your facts. At least you know a little more now.

Marcanthony

Marcanthony wrote: »

since i have educated you already in your field of expertise. "GARY71" id say you know best.so is it a case for you of "give a man enough of rope and.................................. :P


"Knowledge is about awareness and understanding of facts"

You will have your own opinion of what knowledge you bring to the table and I have mine. i enjoy learning and I enjoy teaching but in my working environment I have to put up with a lot of tradesmen who are more interested in a pissing contest than getting things sorted and personally I hate it, such a waste of time.

Marcanthony

gary71 wrote: »

You will have your own opinion of what knowledge you bring to the table and I have mine. i enjoy learning

Glad i am able to help you in the learning department

DoneDL

Paschom, Try taking the unit of its backplate and give it a couple of sharp raps with a screwdiver, hold the blade, rap it with the handle. It might be a contact is stuck.

Marcanthony

DoneDL wrote: »

Paschom, Try taking the unit of its backplate and give it a couple of sharp raps with a screwdiver, hold the blade, rap it with the handle. It might be a contact is stuck.

Donedl i was waiting for you to get involved. If that does not work should he take the sledge hammer to it?

DoneDL

Only if you really hate it.

Marcanthony

DoneDL wrote: »

Only if you really hate it.

:D:D

eusg

I have the same problem. Took it off the backplate and put it back again but same flashing on and off. Are we saying here that it just needs a service or should i get a replacement.

Marcanthony

eusg wrote: »

I have the same problem. Took it off the backplate and put it back again but same flashing on and off. Are we saying here that it just needs a service or should i get a replacement.

it needs to be reset. but theres more to it than hitting the button (or the bottle) for saftey reasons i would advise ring a reg installer and mention the system first. he may not know but will find out of the manufactorer.if the system is the one in the link i provided. DONT WANT THE P.P'S (PLUMBING PRO'S) .....FROM THIS TREAD AND THE BACK BOILER THREAD LOOKING FOR A LOOP HOLE

crosstownk

Resetting it won't make a blind bit of difference. I'm on my third Sunvic 307XLS and the previous two a had exactly the same fault as the OP.

Marcanthony

crosstownk wrote: »

Resetting it won't make a blind bit of difference. I'm on my third Sunvic 307XLS and the previous two a had exactly the same fault as the OP.

I DONT DOUBT THAT. BUT IF HE CALLS AN ELECTRICAN AND HE RELACES THE CLOCK AND IT IS THE SYSTEM I GIVE YOU A LINK TO.HE WILL HAVE PAID FOR A NEW CLOCK AND FITTING AND STILL HAVE TO GET THE SERVICE TO RESET THE SYSTEM. GET MY GIS?

NOW I LL HAVE TO DO A BIT MORE HOMEWORK ON THAT SYSTEM. BUT IT COULD BE REPLACING THE CLOCK OVER RIDES THE SAFTEY SYSTEM. ILL TRY GET THE PROPER SPEC AND UPDATE.I SEARCHED A LOT BUT CAN ONLY FIND THE LINK PROVIDED. I READ ABOUT A WHILE AGO. THATS HOW I KNEW THE SYMPTOMS.

crosstownk

Marcanthony wrote: »

I DONT DOUBT THAT. BUT IF HE CALLS AN ELECTRICAN AND HE RELACES THE CLOCK AND IT IS THE SYSTEM I GIVE YOU A LINK TO.HE WILL HAVE PAID FOR A NEW CLOCK AND FITTING AND STILL HAVE TO GET THE SERVICE TO RESET THE SYSTEM. GET MY GIS?

WTF?

His programmer is dead.

Caps lock stuck?

Marcanthony

crosstownk wrote: »

WTF?

His programmer is dead.

Caps lock stuck?

GO BACK TO SLEEP. HE STATES ITS FLASHING. ANOTHER ONE FOR THE SLAUGHTER


ITS A LITTLE LATE~~NIGHT NIGHT

eusg

Where could i get a replacement timer. On the web it is €90 in the UK

Marcanthony

eusg wrote: »

Where could i get a replacement timer. On the web it is €90 in the UK

TAKE MY ADVISE FIRST. TRY RING THE MANUFACTORER IN ENGLAND TO CONFIRM.AND STATE WHAT HAVE BEEN SAYING FIRST AND PLEASE UPDATE FOR THE P.P'S

crosstownk

Marcanthony, I've read many of your posts here and to be honest you come across as a bit of a dickhead. I'm prepared to take a ban for this statement. STFU and drop the attitude.

Yep, his programmer is flashing. The usual symptom on a Sunvic. They are notoriously unreliable.

JohnnieK

eusg wrote: »

Where could i get a replacement timer. On the web it is €90 in the UK

Cheapest I've seen them here is €124. DPL, Heatmerchants (they will charge you more) or maybe Chadwicks.

See If it is possible to get a different brand, Hortsman, Sauter.

Marcanthony

crosstownk wrote: »

Marcanthony, I've read many of your posts here and to be honest you come across as a bit of dickhead. I'm prepared to take a ban for this statement. STFU and drop the attitude.

Yep, his programmer is flashing. The usual symptom on a Sunvic. They are notoriously unreliable.

I HAVE NEVER CALLED ANYONE A D*C*HEAD. BUT THAT PROBABLY REFLECTS YOUR INTELLIGENCE. BACK IN 30 MINS NEED GO TO THE SHOP.:P

crosstownk

eusg wrote: »

Where could i get a replacement timer. On the web it is €90 in the UK

€130 from Emerald Electric on Whitehall Road in Dublin 6W. The problem is the replacement will most likely give up the ghost within two years.

DoneDL

Fair to assume Yoshy was on the money, good posts crosstownk.

Marcanthony

DoneDL wrote: »

Fair to assume Yoshy was on the money, good posts crosstownk.

theres a pair of you in it........yes sir, yes sir.............but just to let you know i am not a YES MAN:D

buy the way crosstownk i accept your appology.i dont hold grudges with ?.?.?.?.?

crosstownk

Marcanthony wrote: »

buy the way crosstownk i accept your appology

There was no apology from me. Nor will there be.

Marcanthony

crosstownk wrote: »

There was no apology from me. Nor will there be.

well in that case i hope you didnt call your mother them names when she chastised you. that would really sum you up.

" theres no such thing as a bold child, they just have problems"

meercat

agree with the lads who say sunvic are unreliable
i have replaced many
better off with another brand imho

Marcanthony

meercat wrote: »

agree with the lads who say sunvic are unreliable
i have replaced many
better off with another brand imho

snzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......never said that they where not unreliable.............read the post..................


"some people buy books to read others colour them in "

MY EARS ARE BURNING

yoshytoshy

Marcanthony wrote: »

will you stop talking cr*p.

meercat

my post was not directly to you marcanthony
just a general observation of faulty sunvic timers i have replaced

Marcanthony

yoshytoshy wrote: »

WAS THAT A STATEMENT I MADE TO YOU....I CANT REMEMBER? BUT THEN AGAIN ITS BETTER TO NOT REMEMBER THAN TALK CR~P.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN:P