Common Garda advice these days, dont follow it up, dont press charges

celticcrash

A fifteen year old boy and his friend were playing hurling in the park
the other day. a gang of scumbags came in and took the hurleys off them.
When the boys asked back for their hurleys, the gang attacked them, beating them, beating them with the hurleys and breaking one of their jaws.
There was plenty of witnessess,and also the gang were caught on cctv comming and going from the park.
The boys parents were advised not to follow it up, it would be to much hassle for them.
I am hearing this alot these days, most victims of crime are getting this
advise from the Gardi,
Are the garda over whelmed with crime? Have they the manpower?
Are the garda afraid?
Is it our softly softly approach to crime?
Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
And why are they protecting the criminals?

orourkeda

dey took ur hurleys

AnamGlas

"Ah sure don't I know one of the lads' father, he said the young fella won't be battering anyone anymore"

PseudoFamous

Young scumbags badmouthed and jeered older scumbags, waving hurleys at them in a threatening manner, enraging them. Older scumbags proceeded to punish younger scumbags for their disrespect to elders, confiscated hurleys to prevent follow-on disrespect and threats to innocent members of the public.

orourkeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8k1d8uX9Gw

Pherekydes

Camán, you gotta be kidding me...

starbelgrade

Pics or it didn't happen.

hondasam

first garda bashing thread this week.

mikemac

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

Liam Byrne

mikemac wrote: »

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

What does that have to do with anything ?

Gummy Panda

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

Bleedin' pigs!!!



Am I doing it right?

lastlaugh

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

And it's a makey-up one too.

Wolfe Tone

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

celticcrash

mikemac wrote: »

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

yes and what are sinn fein going to do.

Guy:Incognito

celticcrash wrote: »

A fifteen year old boy and his friend were playing hurling in the park
the other day. a gang of scumbags came in and took the hurleys off them.
When the boys asked back for their hurleys, the gang attacked them, beating them, beating them with the hurleys and breaking one of their jaws.
There was plenty of witnessess,and also the gang were caught on cctv comming and going from the park.
The boys parents were advised not to follow it up, it would be to much hassle for them.
I am hearing this alot these days, most victims of crime are getting this
advise from the Gardi,
Are the garda over whelmed with crime? Have they the manpower?
Are the garda afraid?
Is it our softly softly approach to crime?
Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
And why are they protecting the criminals?

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

fedor.2.

celticcrash wrote: »

yes and what are sinn fein going to do.

Bust some heads of course

hondasam

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Bleedin' pigs!!!



Am I doing it right?

Every few days there is a thread complaining about them.

lastlaugh wrote: »

And it's a makey-up one too.

They usually are or at best not a 100% true.

lastlaugh

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything ?

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

fedor.2.

lastlaugh wrote: »

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

This made me laugh

celticcrash

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

Yes but its a bit too common these days
From blue coller to the top.

hondasam

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

Wolfe tone have you had any good experience with ags.

Liam Byrne

lastlaugh wrote: »

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

That was back in the old days, though......Sinn Féin have left all that intimidation and kneecapping behind and are now a 100% committed democratic party that fully support the laws of the land.......

Laika1986

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

http://www.ratemyfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Sixth-Time-e1314312992816.jpg

ArtSmart

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

That's the dilema. but unfortunately even scumbags can think, and if they see themselves getting away with this sort of thing...

(even if this post is untrue, it's premise is true. the tit for tat prob in some estates has encouraged some forces to just keep out of it, unless there is a real evident danger of a homicide, which is rare)

policarp

celticcrash wrote: »

Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
QUOTE]

Because they closed the Garda training college in Templemore.
Therefore Don't give a . . .about Joe Soap.
Bertie getting a little Dole money to tide him over a rough time.
But still has Disappointment Money to fall back on, and some of those Gardai to bring him for a pint of Bass at the taxpayers expense.

angelfire9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

Gummy Panda

Why did they hand over the hurleys?

You have a potential weapon in your hand. Basically arming the gang against you.

Though this is easy to say behind a PC.

lastlaugh

policarp wrote: »

celticcrash wrote: »

Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
QUOTE]

Because they closed the Garda training college in Templemore.
Therefore Don't give a . . .about Joe Soap.
Bertie getting a little Dole money to tide him over a rough time.
But still has Disappointment Money to fall back on, and some of those Gardai to bring him for a pint of Bass at the taxpayers expense.

What is this garbage meant to mean exactly?

mickydoomsux

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

That's it in a nutshell. You press charges and you have someone who has nothing to do and all the time in the world to do it who now has a grudge against you, knows you and knows where you live.

And the state pays these guys to be how they are and provides them with accomodation. The welfare state folks, enjoy helping the "disadvantaged" while they cave your head in and then harass you for going to the police whilst you pay their "wages" and rent.

celticcrash

At least the ra kept the heroine dealers and some of the scumbags out until they disbandened.

fedor.2.

celticcrash wrote: »

At least the ra kept the heroine dealers and some of the scumbags out until they disbandened.

:eek: