Common Garda advice these days, dont follow it up, dont press charges

celticcrash

A fifteen year old boy and his friend were playing hurling in the park
the other day. a gang of scumbags came in and took the hurleys off them.
When the boys asked back for their hurleys, the gang attacked them, beating them, beating them with the hurleys and breaking one of their jaws.
There was plenty of witnessess,and also the gang were caught on cctv comming and going from the park.
The boys parents were advised not to follow it up, it would be to much hassle for them.
I am hearing this alot these days, most victims of crime are getting this
advise from the Gardi,
Are the garda over whelmed with crime? Have they the manpower?
Are the garda afraid?
Is it our softly softly approach to crime?
Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
And why are they protecting the criminals?

orourkeda

dey took ur hurleys

AnamGlas

"Ah sure don't I know one of the lads' father, he said the young fella won't be battering anyone anymore"

PseudoFamous

Young scumbags badmouthed and jeered older scumbags, waving hurleys at them in a threatening manner, enraging them. Older scumbags proceeded to punish younger scumbags for their disrespect to elders, confiscated hurleys to prevent follow-on disrespect and threats to innocent members of the public.

orourkeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8k1d8uX9Gw

Pherekydes

Camán, you gotta be kidding me...

starbelgrade

Pics or it didn't happen.

hondasam

first garda bashing thread this week.

mikemac

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

Liam Byrne

mikemac wrote: »

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

What does that have to do with anything ?

Gummy Panda

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

Bleedin' pigs!!!



Am I doing it right?

lastlaugh

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

And it's a makey-up one too.

Wolfe Tone

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

celticcrash

mikemac wrote: »

Sinn Féin councillor in your area OP?

yes and what are sinn fein going to do.

Guy:Incognito

celticcrash wrote: »

A fifteen year old boy and his friend were playing hurling in the park
the other day. a gang of scumbags came in and took the hurleys off them.
When the boys asked back for their hurleys, the gang attacked them, beating them, beating them with the hurleys and breaking one of their jaws.
There was plenty of witnessess,and also the gang were caught on cctv comming and going from the park.
The boys parents were advised not to follow it up, it would be to much hassle for them.
I am hearing this alot these days, most victims of crime are getting this
advise from the Gardi,
Are the garda over whelmed with crime? Have they the manpower?
Are the garda afraid?
Is it our softly softly approach to crime?
Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
And why are they protecting the criminals?

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

fedor.2.

celticcrash wrote: »

yes and what are sinn fein going to do.

Bust some heads of course

hondasam

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Bleedin' pigs!!!



Am I doing it right?

Every few days there is a thread complaining about them.

lastlaugh wrote: »

And it's a makey-up one too.

They usually are or at best not a 100% true.

lastlaugh

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything ?

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

fedor.2.

lastlaugh wrote: »

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

This made me laugh

celticcrash

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

Yes but its a bit too common these days
From blue coller to the top.

hondasam

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

Wolfe tone have you had any good experience with ags.

Liam Byrne

lastlaugh wrote: »

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

That was back in the old days, though......Sinn Féin have left all that intimidation and kneecapping behind and are now a 100% committed democratic party that fully support the laws of the land.......

Laika1986

hondasam wrote: »

first garda bashing thread this week.

http://www.ratemyfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Sixth-Time-e1314312992816.jpg

ArtSmart

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

That's the dilema. but unfortunately even scumbags can think, and if they see themselves getting away with this sort of thing...

(even if this post is untrue, it's premise is true. the tit for tat prob in some estates has encouraged some forces to just keep out of it, unless there is a real evident danger of a homicide, which is rare)

policarp

celticcrash wrote: »

Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
QUOTE]

Because they closed the Garda training college in Templemore.
Therefore Don't give a . . .about Joe Soap.
Bertie getting a little Dole money to tide him over a rough time.
But still has Disappointment Money to fall back on, and some of those Gardai to bring him for a pint of Bass at the taxpayers expense.

angelfire9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Gotten this sh!te advice from lazy Garda myself OP, best thing to is to make a fuss until they do something about it, generally works.

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

Gummy Panda

Why did they hand over the hurleys?

You have a potential weapon in your hand. Basically arming the gang against you.

Though this is easy to say behind a PC.

lastlaugh

policarp wrote: »

celticcrash wrote: »

Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
QUOTE]

Because they closed the Garda training college in Templemore.
Therefore Don't give a . . .about Joe Soap.
Bertie getting a little Dole money to tide him over a rough time.
But still has Disappointment Money to fall back on, and some of those Gardai to bring him for a pint of Bass at the taxpayers expense.

What is this garbage meant to mean exactly?

mickydoomsux

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The Gards could do everythign in their power to deal with the gang for that offence. What they cant do is provide 24hour protection for the victims afterwards.

That's it in a nutshell. You press charges and you have someone who has nothing to do and all the time in the world to do it who now has a grudge against you, knows you and knows where you live.

And the state pays these guys to be how they are and provides them with accomodation. The welfare state folks, enjoy helping the "disadvantaged" while they cave your head in and then harass you for going to the police whilst you pay their "wages" and rent.

celticcrash

At least the ra kept the heroine dealers and some of the scumbags out until they disbandened.

fedor.2.

celticcrash wrote: »

At least the ra kept the heroine dealers and some of the scumbags out until they disbandened.

:eek:

ArtSmart

angelfire9 wrote: »

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

for sure.

but as I say, the trouble makers are no fools. they use that exact situation. the prob is primarily the slowness of the prosecution procedures. however, unresponded to crime only leads to one thing. more of the same

D1stant

angelfire9 wrote: »

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

Saddest thing Ive read in a while (genuinely)

Wolfe Tone

lastlaugh wrote: »

Those scumbags might need some intensive 'Councilling'.

The days of this type of thing are long gone.

hondasam wrote: »

Wolfe tone have you had any good experience with ags.

I have actually, they were a great help when I was assaulted, I know a few Garda too, nice guys.

However, I have become very jaded, as anyone would, when they see the difference in treatment people receive from the gardaí based on their socio economic background, or even their address or accent.

When it comes to law enforcement I have very very high standards, there are many flaws with AGS, many many flaws. Not all are their fault of course, but some are. Better to highlight these issues, or "garda bash" then to pretend everything is fine and dandy.

angelfire9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The days of this type of thing are long gone.


I have actually, they were a great help when I was assaulted, I know a few Garda too, nice guys.

However, I have become very jaded, as anyone would, when they see the difference in treatment people receive from the gardaí based on their socio economic background, or even their address or accent.

When it comes to law enforcement I have very very high standards, there are many flaws with AGS, many many flaws. Not all are their fault of course, but some are. Better to highlight these issues, or "garda bash" then to pretend everything is fine and dandy.

Wolfe Tone I have 2 questions:
1) Do you have kids?
2) Have you ever testified in court against someone who absolutely terrified you?

celticcrash

angelfire9 wrote: »

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

Thanks for your reploy, its really not the guards fault, I blame the politicians, But I am hearing this regularly, it seems that the crimanals are winning and no one in power is doing anything about it.

mikemac

celticcrash wrote: »

At least the ra kept the heroine dealers and some of the scumbags out until they disbandened.

Take out the competition, then "tax" the dealers who are allowed operate in the area

lastlaugh

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

However, I have become very jaded, as anyone would, when they see the difference in treatment people receive from the gardaí based on their socio economic background, or even their address or accent.

When it comes to law enforcement I have very very high standards, there are many flaws with AGS, many many flaws. Not all are their fault of course, but some are. Better to highlight these issues, or "garda bash" then to pretend everything is fine and dandy.

Hi WolfeTone, can I ask you how you have such very very high standards? Genuine question, I mean do you have lots of experience at protests or something?

Wolfe Tone

angelfire9 wrote: »

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

Ha, thats just the type of thing I meant when I talked about the treatment different people get.


I know very well what people go through when they have to appear as a witness in court, I've seen close family members go through it and its not nice.


However, I personally have been told, as have many others, that it is "simply not worth the hassle" by the Gardaí, and what I did, and what others should do if they want to try and get some sort of justice, is to make a big fuss and get the Gardaí to take you and your complaint seriously. That decision about your kid having to appear in court is yours to make, not the Garda who you complain to, its infuriating to get your head kicked in and then be told that pursuing it is "Not worth the hassle, are you sure you want to go ahead and make a complaint, if you do I'll have to investigate it", then have the Garda roll his eyes and sigh when you insist.

Gyalist

I was attacked in March by two guys. I bumped into the garda who was handling the case about 3 weeks ago and he told me that they weren't going to go ahead with prosecuting the two idiots.

He even seemed embarassed at the reasons that he was giving me - that it wasn't his decision, but it was from his senior officer; that one of the guys was going to lose his job if he was prosecuted, etc. TBH, I can't say that I was really surprised but at least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I gave them a good hiding even though the attack was entirely unprovoked.

I'm considering putting the CCTV up on YouTube now that there isn't going to be a prosecution.

Wolfe Tone

lastlaugh wrote: »

Hi WolfeTome, can I ask you how you have such very very high standards? Genuine question, I mean do you have lots of experience at protests or something?

No, not at all, I just think that any law enforcement agency or whatever, should be top top standard, effective, honest and fair. I dont think AGS as a whole, is that.


I think it can be, hence why I'm critical, if I felt it was a lost cause I wouldn't bother, but there are some top top Garda.

angelfire9

celticcrash wrote: »

Thanks for your reploy, its really not the guards fault, I blame the politicians, But I am hearing this regularly, it seems that the crimanals are winning and no one in power is doing anything about it.

In my experience where there are juvenile victims this can be relatively common advice given by AGS

I had a friend (years ago when i was single) who's sister was 16 and raped by a 17 year old
She & her parents were counselled against prosecuting because she was fragile enough after the rape and testifying would have torn her to shreds

My gut instinct at the time would have been to encourage her to prosecute

I went with her to the Garda station (I was about 21 at the time)

I held her hand while she told her parents (not a nice situation to be in)

I went with her to Cork to the SAU

And that even I went home to my parents and talked it over with my dad (who was a member at the time) and he totally changed my mind with regards to prosecuting

In all crimes the victim is the person who matters most
Sometimes testifying can help a victim to recover their dignity and feel that justice was served

Sometimes (in the case above) testifying could make things worse

Sometimes (in my own experience) testifying is the right thing to do even if you have nightmares about it for years after (and I did)

But it takes A LOT of courage, A LOT of support and a fair amount of stubbornness

Pdfile

celticcrash wrote: »

A fifteen year old boy and his friend were playing hurling in the park
the other day. a gang of scumbags came in and took the hurleys off them.
When the boys asked back for their hurleys, the gang attacked them, beating them, beating them with the hurleys and breaking one of their jaws.
There was plenty of witnessess,and also the gang were caught on cctv comming and going from the park.
The boys parents were advised not to follow it up, it would be to much hassle for them.
I am hearing this alot these days, most victims of crime are getting this
advise from the Gardi,
Are the garda over whelmed with crime? Have they the manpower?
Are the garda afraid?
Is it our softly softly approach to crime?
Why are the garda and politicians not protecting the innocent?
And why are they protecting the criminals?

they let them take the hurleys so they where asking for a bating....


i personally take mine on holidays to beat up the foreigners.

angelfire9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Ha, thats just the type of thing I meant when I talked about the treatment different people get.


I know very well what people go through when they have to appear as a witness in court, I've seen close family members go through it and its not nice.


However, I personally have been told, as have many others, that it is "simply not worth the hassle" by the Gardaí, and what I did, and what others should do if they want to try and get some sort of justice, is to make a big fuss and get the Gardaí to take you and your complaint seriously. That decision about your kid having to appear in court is yours to make, not the Garda who you complain to, its infuriating to get your head kicked in and then be told that pursuing it is "Not worth the hassle, are you sure you want to go ahead and make a complaint, if you do I'll have to investigate it", then have the Garda roll his eyes and sigh when you insist.

The Gardai don't make the decision
They give advice
It is up to the parents' of the juvenile victim to make the decision
And 99.9% of parents will say no

sdanseo

What about a different school of thought here.

Instead of jumping to the premature conclusion that the Gardaí were being lazy and avoiding paperwork, god forbid one might jump to the conclusion that they were giving the best advice to suit the particular circumstances at the time? If the lady above couldn't testify in court with all the Gardaí she knew behind her and on her side, how the hell is ordinary joe meant to feel about the prospect?

I'd love to think if I found myself in a similar situation that I'd be queueing to get into court and give evidence. The long run though, would no doubt see me doing no such thing. In a similar way, if someone lands a punch on me after a night out I'd love to beat the living shíte into them - but maturity would prevent me from doing so.

I'm sick of seeing Garda bashing threads on here, I had a vested interest at one stage but not any longer so I can say, as a bone fide ordinary member of the public, that the Gardaí have my full support. And let the bashers here or anywhere else who takes the piss for no apparent reason and without any justification try doing their (poorly paid) job for a week, and see how they get on.

Logical Fallacy

sdeire wrote: »

Instead of jumping to the premature conclusion that the Gardaí were being lazy and avoiding paperwork, god forbid one might jump to the conclusion that they were giving the best advice to suit the particular circumstances at the time?

My girlfriends sister was assaulted at a pub up the road from where we live. She was punch in the face, fell to the ground and smashed her head off a curb and knocked out. She woke up being tended to by paramedics and was brought to hospital where she need stitches.

The assailant was known to the Guards, known to cause trouble and they knew his address and their advice was to not press charges.

I cannot see how the offered advice suits this situation.

D1stant

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Ha, thats just the type of thing I meant when I talked about the treatment different people get.


I know very well what people go through when they have to appear as a witness in court, I've seen close family members go through it and its not nice.


However, I personally have been told, as have many others, that it is "simply not worth the hassle" by the Gardaí, and what I did, and what others should do if they want to try and get some sort of justice, is to make a big fuss and get the Gardaí to take you and your complaint seriously. That decision about your kid having to appear in court is yours to make, not the Garda who you complain to, its infuriating to get your head kicked in and then be told that pursuing it is "Not worth the hassle, are you sure you want to go ahead and make a complaint, if you do I'll have to investigate it", then have the Garda roll his eyes and sigh when you insist.

How is life in black and white?

Muas Tenek

angelfire9 wrote: »

Ah yes... the garda bashing has commenced in earnest :rolleyes:

OP let me put it to you this way
If my daughter was 15 and assaulted in the manner you have described there is no way in hell's earth I'd want to press charges against the scum who did it and I say this as a cop's wife & a cop's daughter

Testifying in open court as would be required of the injured kids & the witnesses in this situation is an absolutely terrifying ORDEAL
I can say this with complete certainty as the victim of an assault who had to testify in my 20's and I came out of court shaking & sobbing
I had the complete backing of my family, my husband and literally half the cops in Clare (because of my family connections)
I had cops in the court house to support me
I had a family liaison officer and my husband's super to hold my hand (literally & metaphorically) and it took me a long long time to recover from the experience and it is not something I would ever wish on a child

Secondly, it sounds from your OP that there might be a strong risk of witness intimidation from the scum against the victims if charges are pressed

In this type of situation you need to weigh up the risk & benefits
The risks to the victims are 2 fold ~ intimidation for the 12-18 months it takes to get the case to hearing in the district court, and possibly the worst possible intimidation from defence counsel in the court room (not deliberate but they have a job to do)

It would take a VERY VERY strong character to emerge unblemished psychologically from that kind of experience & personally it is not something I would inflict on a 15 year old who by the very virtue of their age is already a fragile human being

This is not Garda laziness, this is the voice of experience & I would be 100% in agreement with a suggestion that the prosecution of the offence will be of no benefit to the victim and no deterrent to the offenders who will probably get a slap on the wrist after all is said & done

This is by a country mile the post that has made me most sad about the society we live in (even my tears are weeping) that we don't respect our children's right to enjoy their own neighbourhood. Every evening this Summer I watch with great joy the children of our community playing football, hopscotch, chasing, hide and go seek etc and I remember my own unblemished childhood and I would defend to my last breath every child's right to have what I had as a child, but it seems to me that the PC society we have developed favours the scum of society rather than the rest of us.

Miss you "Lugs" one of the few real coppers

PC keeps most of our current mules out of the loop but some of you guys still make a difference (you know who you are )

dev100

I think this is a sad day when gardai advise people not to push for prosecution . Is this the way we want to live? That it's easier to do nothing? Not being able to protect the vulnerable before and after. I think that's when civil society has broken down.

Wolfe Tone

Muas Tenek wrote: »

This is by a country mile the post that has made me most sad about the society we live in (even my tears are weeping) that we don't respect our children's right to enjoy their own neighbourhood. Every evening this Summer I watch with great joy the children of our community playing football, hopscotch, chasing, hide and go seek etc and I remember my own unblemished childhood and I would defend to my last breath every child's right to have what I had as a child, but it seems to me that the PC society we have developed favours the scum of society rather than the rest of us.

Miss you "Lugs" one of the few real coppers

PC keeps most of our current mules out of the loop but some of you guys still make a difference (you know who you are )

A scumbag like Lugs is hardly what the Gardaí should strive to be.

celticcrash

I know a bussiness man whos warehouse was broke into, six dvds from the cctv he handed the guards. Two weeks later the guards told him that they lost the dvds:rolleyes: The manager said thats ok I have more copys,and passed them on to the garda, two weeks later he went back up to the station to find out the progress. He was told the best thing he could do was find another place to trade. The manager made a complaint against the garda. The managers trucks were stopped all over the city by the garda and it went on for three months. harasment from the garda non stop just because he stood up for justice.
This is not a fifteen year old girl, this was a fully grown man who stood up
to the scumbags,
Whit six hours of dvd you dont have to stand up incourt and boy was he willing to stand up in court. Again the garda harassed the victim.