14 Conspiracy Theories That The Media Now Admits Are Conspiracy Facts

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14 Conspiracy Theories That The Media Now Admits Are Conspiracy Facts

August 24, 2011 Print Version

By Michael Snyder - BLN Contributing Writer

How many times have you heard the mainstream media dismiss certain points of view as "conspiracy theories"? It seems as though one of the easiest ways to brush something off is to label it as something that only "conspiracy theorists" would believe. Well, you know what? A whole lot of the time the "conspiracy theorists" are right and the mainstream media is wrong. In fact, we owe a great debt to "conspiracy theorists" because they will go places and investigate things that the mainstream media would never even touch. The reality is that the mainstream media only tells us what the government and the big corporations want us to hear, and much of the time it is those in the alternative media that are left with the task of trying to figure out what the real truth is. So don't look down on conspiracy theories or conspiracy theorists. In a world where almost everything we are told is a lie, the truth can be very difficult to find.

The following are 14 conspiracy theories that the media now admits are conspiracy facts....

#1 Fukushima Uninhabitable

Back in April, I published an article entitled "Much Of Northern Japan Uninhabitable Due To Nuclear Radiation?" At the time, almost everyone in the mainstream media was insisting that Fukushima was nothing like Chernobyl and that those that lived near Fukushima would be able to return to their homes fairly soon.

Well, it turns out that those of us that feared the worst were right after all. Just consider the following quote from the New York Times....

Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday.

#2 U.S. Military Attack On Libya

At the beginning of this year, nobody would have dreamed that the U.S. military would have attacked Libya this year.

But it happened. At first those that tried to warn about an upcoming conflict with Libya were called kooks, and even up until recently many in the media were still trying to deny that NATO was arming and training the rebels.

Well, the truth is that NATO had special forces on the ground even before the conflict began.

The "rebel groups" (which include large numbers of al-Qaeda fighters) would have been soundly defeated by Gaddafi if not for relentless air strikes by the U.S. military and NATO.

Instead of a straightforward invasion like we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. military and NATO systematically developed, trained and equipped "rebel groups" within the country and have used them as the ground forces for this campaign.

That way the goals of the U.S. and EU could still be achieved, but in the end they would have less blood on their hands.

As the conflict winds down, now even the New York Times is admitting that we have trained and equipped the rebels....

"We always knew there would be a point where the effectiveness of the government forces would decline to the point where they could not effectively command and control their forces," said the diplomat, who was granted anonymity to discuss confidential details of the battle inside Tripoli.

"At the same time," the diplomat said, "the learning curve for the rebels, with training and equipping, was increasing. What we've seen in the past two or three weeks is these two curves have crossed."

Sadly, there is still a very good chance that U.S. troops could end up on the ground in Libya.
Many prominent officials are already calling for the U.S. and the EU to provide occupation forces. Richard Haas, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, has authored an opinion piece for the Financial Times entitled "Libya Now Needs Boots on the Ground".

If that happens, it will likely end up being a situation very similar to what we have today in Iraq.

#3 Widespread Use Of RFID Chips In Humans

The doubters said it would never happen. They said we would never see the day when RFID chips were implanted in humans on a widespread basis.

Well, today there are examples of this all over the world. One of the most stunning examples recently has come out of Mexico. According to the Washington Post, "thousands of worried Mexicans" have been having "satellite and radio-frequency tracking products" implanted in their skin in order to protect themselves against abduction.

#4 $2000 Gold

It was only a matter of months ago that we were told that gold was "in a bubble" at $1400 or $1500 an ounce.

Well, gold recently crossed the $1900 an ounce barrier, and appears poised to go much higher as global financial instability intensifies.

#5 Obama Wants To Impose Backdoor Amnesty

Those that warned that Barack Obama was going to impose amnesty for illegal immigrants by executive fiat were called "nuts" and "conspiracy theorists".

Well, it has happened. The Obama administration has now instituted "backdoor amnesty" for illegal immigrants and even plans to provide them with work permits.

#6 U.S. Government Provides Weapons For Mexican Drug Cartels

For a long time there were those that claimed that the U.S. government was providing guns to Mexican drug cartels, but nobody wanted to listen.

Well, it is all now a matter of public record. It turns out that the U.S. government facilitated the transfer of thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News report that discusses the fierce opposition that many ATF agents expressed to allowing thousands of guns to be given into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels....

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

Amazingly, three of the key ATF officials involved in putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels were recently promoted.

#7 Fluoride Is Harmful

Incredibly, the federal government is finally admitting that high levels of fluoride in our drinking water can be harmful. In fact, the feds have reduced the "recommended amount" of fluoride in our drinking water for the first time in 50 years.

We probably won't see them ban fluoride any time soon, but for them to even acknowledge a problem with fluoride is a major step. In a recent article on CNN, it was reported that the federal government is now saying that high levels of fluoride in the water have now officially been linked with fluorosis....

The Department of Health and Human Services and Environmental Protection Agency are proposing the change because of an increase in fluorosis -- a condition that causes spotting and streaking on children's teeth.

#8 The Federal Reserve Favors The Big Banks

We were always told by the media that the Federal Reserve was "above politics" and that it did not show favoritism.

Well, we all know now that the Fed is deeply corrupt and about the only people that they actually help are their friends.

It turns out that the Federal Reserve very quietly showered the big banks and their friends with hundreds of billions of dollars in loans at rates that were substantially below market during the financial crisis. While Wall Street was being flooded with easy loans, none of the small banks that were deeply suffering and no average Americans got any money.

#9 Cell Phones Linked To Cancer

For years, "conspiracy theorists" have been claiming that cell phone use can cause cancer.

Well, the mainstream media is starting to catch up. Some very startling scientific studies have come out recently that are hard to ignore.

The following is an excerpt from a recent CNN article about one of these studies....

At the highest exposure levels -- using a mobile phone half an hour a day over a 10-year period -- the study found a 40 percent increased risk of glioma brain tumors.

#10 The Credit Rating Agencies Are Corrupt

We have all been taught that the credit rating agencies are supposed to be objective.

But in the real world things are not that simple.

For example, just a short time after long-term U.S. government debt was downgraded, the head of Standard & Poor's is resigning, and is being replaced by Douglas Peterson, the former COO of Citigroup.

Do you think the former COO of Citigroup is going to come down hard on his former comrades over at the big Wall Street banks?

Also, a whistleblower has come forward with some stunning revelations about Moody's. The following is what former analyst William Harrington says was going on over at that credit agency during the financial crisis....

"The track record of management influence in committees speaks for itself -- it produced hollowed-out (collateralized debt obligation) opinions that were at great odds with the private opinions of committees and which were not durable for even a short period after publication"

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous. I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong. The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year. A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas--on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese--in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn't reach, and "mistakes" can end up in pauper's graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products. It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this. Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.

#13 The "Super Congress" Is In The Pocket Of Wall Street Interests

The amount of money that has been donated to the campaigns of those on the "Super Congress" is absolutely astounding.

Just check out what a recent CNBC article had to say about the matter....

Overall, according to the center's research, the dozen super committee members have raised more than $50 million from the finance, insurance and real estate sector since the 1990 election cycle.

How much influence do you think 50 million dollars is going to buy?

#14 The Targeting Of Christian Groups

We are increasingly hearing from the Obama administration and some members of Congress that we need to be really concerned about "homegrown terrorists" and "Christian extremists".

For example, during a recent Congressional hearing U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that "Christian militants" might try to "bring down the country" and that such groups need to be investigated.

In addition, according to a shocking document obtained by Oath Keepers, the FBI is now instructing store owners to report many new forms of "suspicious activity" to them. According to the document, "suspicious activity" now includes making "extreme religious statements" and believing in "radical theology".

Not only that, a Department of Homeland Security report on "right wing extremism" from April 2009 lists the following people as potential terrorists....

-those that believe in "end times" prophecies

-those that believe abortion is wrong

-those that stockpile food, ammunition or weapons

-those that are against same-sex marriage

-those that believe in "New World Order" conspiracy theories

I don't know about you, but when the federal government starts targeting people based on their religious beliefs, that makes me very nervous.

This world is officially going crazy. So don't blame "conspiracy theorists" for wanting to dig around and get the facts. The mainstream media sure doesn't give us much of the truth.

As the world continues to fall apart and as the propaganda from the mainstream media gets even more blatant, the hunger for the truth is only going to grow.

Who knows? Perhaps before it is all over you will be a "conspiracy theorist" too.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/14_Conspiracy_Theories_That_The_Media_Now_Admits_Are_Conspiracy_Facts/15386/0/0/0/Y/M.html

fontanalis

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Came across this article and thought I'd share it here...




14 Conspiracy Theories That The Media Now Admits Are Conspiracy Facts

August 24, 2011 Print Version

By Michael Snyder - BLN Contributing Writer

How many times have you heard the mainstream media dismiss certain points of view as "conspiracy theories"? It seems as though one of the easiest ways to brush something off is to label it as something that only "conspiracy theorists" would believe. Well, you know what? A whole lot of the time the "conspiracy theorists" are right and the mainstream media is wrong. In fact, we owe a great debt to "conspiracy theorists" because they will go places and investigate things that the mainstream media would never even touch. The reality is that the mainstream media only tells us what the government and the big corporations want us to hear, and much of the time it is those in the alternative media that are left with the task of trying to figure out what the real truth is. So don't look down on conspiracy theories or conspiracy theorists. In a world where almost everything we are told is a lie, the truth can be very difficult to find.

The following are 14 conspiracy theories that the media now admits are conspiracy facts....

#1 Fukushima Uninhabitable

Back in April, I published an article entitled "Much Of Northern Japan Uninhabitable Due To Nuclear Radiation?" At the time, almost everyone in the mainstream media was insisting that Fukushima was nothing like Chernobyl and that those that lived near Fukushima would be able to return to their homes fairly soon.

Well, it turns out that those of us that feared the worst were right after all. Just consider the following quote from the New York Times....

Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday.

#2 U.S. Military Attack On Libya

At the beginning of this year, nobody would have dreamed that the U.S. military would have attacked Libya this year.

But it happened. At first those that tried to warn about an upcoming conflict with Libya were called kooks, and even up until recently many in the media were still trying to deny that NATO was arming and training the rebels.

Well, the truth is that NATO had special forces on the ground even before the conflict began.

The "rebel groups" (which include large numbers of al-Qaeda fighters) would have been soundly defeated by Gaddafi if not for relentless air strikes by the U.S. military and NATO.

Instead of a straightforward invasion like we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. military and NATO systematically developed, trained and equipped "rebel groups" within the country and have used them as the ground forces for this campaign.

That way the goals of the U.S. and EU could still be achieved, but in the end they would have less blood on their hands.

As the conflict winds down, now even the New York Times is admitting that we have trained and equipped the rebels....

"We always knew there would be a point where the effectiveness of the government forces would decline to the point where they could not effectively command and control their forces," said the diplomat, who was granted anonymity to discuss confidential details of the battle inside Tripoli.

"At the same time," the diplomat said, "the learning curve for the rebels, with training and equipping, was increasing. What we've seen in the past two or three weeks is these two curves have crossed."

Sadly, there is still a very good chance that U.S. troops could end up on the ground in Libya.
Many prominent officials are already calling for the U.S. and the EU to provide occupation forces. Richard Haas, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, has authored an opinion piece for the Financial Times entitled "Libya Now Needs Boots on the Ground".

If that happens, it will likely end up being a situation very similar to what we have today in Iraq.

#3 Widespread Use Of RFID Chips In Humans

The doubters said it would never happen. They said we would never see the day when RFID chips were implanted in humans on a widespread basis.

Well, today there are examples of this all over the world. One of the most stunning examples recently has come out of Mexico. According to the Washington Post, "thousands of worried Mexicans" have been having "satellite and radio-frequency tracking products" implanted in their skin in order to protect themselves against abduction.

#4 $2000 Gold

It was only a matter of months ago that we were told that gold was "in a bubble" at $1400 or $1500 an ounce.

Well, gold recently crossed the $1900 an ounce barrier, and appears poised to go much higher as global financial instability intensifies.

#5 Obama Wants To Impose Backdoor Amnesty

Those that warned that Barack Obama was going to impose amnesty for illegal immigrants by executive fiat were called "nuts" and "conspiracy theorists".

Well, it has happened. The Obama administration has now instituted "backdoor amnesty" for illegal immigrants and even plans to provide them with work permits.

#6 U.S. Government Provides Weapons For Mexican Drug Cartels

For a long time there were those that claimed that the U.S. government was providing guns to Mexican drug cartels, but nobody wanted to listen.

Well, it is all now a matter of public record. It turns out that the U.S. government facilitated the transfer of thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News report that discusses the fierce opposition that many ATF agents expressed to allowing thousands of guns to be given into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels....

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."

Amazingly, three of the key ATF officials involved in putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels were recently promoted.

#7 Fluoride Is Harmful

Incredibly, the federal government is finally admitting that high levels of fluoride in our drinking water can be harmful. In fact, the feds have reduced the "recommended amount" of fluoride in our drinking water for the first time in 50 years.

We probably won't see them ban fluoride any time soon, but for them to even acknowledge a problem with fluoride is a major step. In a recent article on CNN, it was reported that the federal government is now saying that high levels of fluoride in the water have now officially been linked with fluorosis....

The Department of Health and Human Services and Environmental Protection Agency are proposing the change because of an increase in fluorosis -- a condition that causes spotting and streaking on children's teeth.

#8 The Federal Reserve Favors The Big Banks

We were always told by the media that the Federal Reserve was "above politics" and that it did not show favoritism.

Well, we all know now that the Fed is deeply corrupt and about the only people that they actually help are their friends.

It turns out that the Federal Reserve very quietly showered the big banks and their friends with hundreds of billions of dollars in loans at rates that were substantially below market during the financial crisis. While Wall Street was being flooded with easy loans, none of the small banks that were deeply suffering and no average Americans got any money.

#9 Cell Phones Linked To Cancer

For years, "conspiracy theorists" have been claiming that cell phone use can cause cancer.

Well, the mainstream media is starting to catch up. Some very startling scientific studies have come out recently that are hard to ignore.

The following is an excerpt from a recent CNN article about one of these studies....

At the highest exposure levels -- using a mobile phone half an hour a day over a 10-year period -- the study found a 40 percent increased risk of glioma brain tumors.

#10 The Credit Rating Agencies Are Corrupt

We have all been taught that the credit rating agencies are supposed to be objective.

But in the real world things are not that simple.

For example, just a short time after long-term U.S. government debt was downgraded, the head of Standard & Poor's is resigning, and is being replaced by Douglas Peterson, the former COO of Citigroup.

Do you think the former COO of Citigroup is going to come down hard on his former comrades over at the big Wall Street banks?

Also, a whistleblower has come forward with some stunning revelations about Moody's. The following is what former analyst William Harrington says was going on over at that credit agency during the financial crisis....

"The track record of management influence in committees speaks for itself -- it produced hollowed-out (collateralized debt obligation) opinions that were at great odds with the private opinions of committees and which were not durable for even a short period after publication"

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous. I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well, I was dead wrong. The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year. A recent Vanity Fair article entitled "Deadly Medicine" began with the following statement....

Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas--on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese--in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn't reach, and "mistakes" can end up in pauper's graves?

#12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility

A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products. It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.

Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this. Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled "Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility" which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA....

Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the "gender bending" chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.

#13 The "Super Congress" Is In The Pocket Of Wall Street Interests

The amount of money that has been donated to the campaigns of those on the "Super Congress" is absolutely astounding.

Just check out what a recent CNBC article had to say about the matter....

Overall, according to the center's research, the dozen super committee members have raised more than $50 million from the finance, insurance and real estate sector since the 1990 election cycle.

How much influence do you think 50 million dollars is going to buy?

#14 The Targeting Of Christian Groups

We are increasingly hearing from the Obama administration and some members of Congress that we need to be really concerned about "homegrown terrorists" and "Christian extremists".

For example, during a recent Congressional hearing U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that "Christian militants" might try to "bring down the country" and that such groups need to be investigated.

In addition, according to a shocking document obtained by Oath Keepers, the FBI is now instructing store owners to report many new forms of "suspicious activity" to them. According to the document, "suspicious activity" now includes making "extreme religious statements" and believing in "radical theology".

Not only that, a Department of Homeland Security report on "right wing extremism" from April 2009 lists the following people as potential terrorists....

-those that believe in "end times" prophecies

-those that believe abortion is wrong

-those that stockpile food, ammunition or weapons

-those that are against same-sex marriage

-those that believe in "New World Order" conspiracy theories

I don't know about you, but when the federal government starts targeting people based on their religious beliefs, that makes me very nervous.

This world is officially going crazy. So don't blame "conspiracy theorists" for wanting to dig around and get the facts. The mainstream media sure doesn't give us much of the truth.

As the world continues to fall apart and as the propaganda from the mainstream media gets even more blatant, the hunger for the truth is only going to grow.

Who knows? Perhaps before it is all over you will be a "conspiracy theorist" too.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/14_Conspiracy_Theories_That_The_Media_Now_Admits_Are_Conspiracy_Facts/15386/0/0/0/Y/M.html

I'm sure he got all worked up over muslims being targeted, they're referring to people who would cause violence based on religious beliefs and if he thinks they don't exist he's a moron!
Anyway many of those were't just in the realms of conspiracy theorists.

ed2hands

Whatever it is, whenever it gets exposed/declassified, the official line is always and will always be in future;
"Well, we did it for the greater good"
"We have a duty to protect our nation"

**** like that.

Laika1986

It's the next phase of the plan imo. Muslims are viewed as terrorists. Then Christians. They will just divide everyone into different groups so we fear each other and even our group.

Wolfe Tone

Laika1986 wrote: »

It's the next phase of the plan imo. Muslims are viewed as terrorists. Then Christians. They will just divide everyone into different groups so we fear each other and even our group.

Christians? Sure most of the Yanks are christians.

ed2hands

Laika1986 wrote: »

It's the next phase of the plan imo. Muslims are viewed as terrorists. Then Christians. They will just divide everyone into different groups so we fear each other and even our group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ

jackiebaron

Yet "Jonny7" and "studiorat", the two from the Libya thread STILL believe that the Nato campaign was a huminatarian effort. They truly are laughable for swallowing that ludicrous hoax.

humanji

There's a lot of conspiracies there that I'd never heard of, and some that I wouldn't have thought were conspiracies at all.

How is #1 a conspiracy? Was the media telling people that the area around the plant would be fine? The authur seems to just want to point out that he said much of northern Japan would be uninhabitable, but it's just the surrounding areas of Fukushima, isn't it? And it's still unknown how much of an effect the disaster had, as they're still trying to deal with it.

With #2, the article he posts contradicts him. It doesn't say US forces are there at all, it's about NATO airstrikes and European countries training rebels and sending in special forces.

#3, from the article he links: "That’s pure science fiction — a sham — say RIFD researchers and engineers in the United States. Any device that could communicate with satellites or even the local cellular network would need a battery and sizable antenna, like a cellphone, they say."

#4, I wasn't aware was a conspiracy. Commodity prices go up and down. And bubbles burst.

#5, sounds like a political U-Turn, not a conspiracy. Enda Kenny said he wouldn't close Roscommon A&E, but then found out he had to. Is that a conspiracy too?

#6, of those listed, this is the only one that I believe is a conspiracy and true. And I thought it was also a well known fact, but I was wrong there.

#7, HIGH levels of flouride are harmful. High levels of nitrogen are harmful. High levels of oxygen are harmful. High levels of pretty much anything are harmful.

#8, I thought that was a given. The rich support the rich.

#9, The authur should probably have read the title of the article: "Study fails to end debate on cancer, cell phone link"

#10 is an opinion, isn't it? Now, I'd agree that they're not unbiased at all (they were all too eager to downgrade EU countries, but not the US which was in worse shape etc), but does this belong on this list? I don't think it does.

#11, this is possible with any medication and a lot of things that aren't medication. It's not a conspiracy.

#12, I've never heard of Bisphenol, so can't really comment on it. But I may need to start taking it. I don't want any little Humanji's cramping my style.

#13, This I agree with and would never have thought it was considered a theory, so don't know why the authur claims it as a victory. It's the way the US political system is run and always has been run.

#14 isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a simple fact that extremists can be dangerous.


So, what we have here is a list made by someone who can't do the simplest of research and picked up on some other widely known facts. Not much of a list, is it?

jh79

Agree with above, its a terrible article, none of the science ones are as hard hitting as the intro to each suggests.

Obelisk

Here's another 33- http://www.newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/980/33-Conspiracy-Theories-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-True-What-Every-Person-Should-Know-Updated-Revised-and-Extended.aspx

Conspiracy theory is a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal or political conspiracy. However, it has come almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning. To conspire means "to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end. "The term "conspiracy theory" is frequently used by scholars and in popular culture to identify secret military, banking, or political actions aimed at stealing power, money, or freedom, from "the people".

To many, conspiracy theories are just human nature. Not all people in this world are honest, hard working and forthcoming about their intentions.Certainly we can all agree on this.So how did the term “conspiracy theory” get grouped in with fiction, fantasy and folklore? Maybe that’s a conspiracy, just kidding. Or am I?

Skeptics are important in achieving an objective view of reality, however, skeptism is not the same as reinforcing the official storyline. In fact, a conspiracy theory can be argued as an alternative to the official or “mainstream” story of events. Therefore, when skeptics attempt to ridicule a conspiracy theory by using the official story as a means of proving the conspiracy wrong, in effect, they are just reinforcing the original “mainstream” view of history, and actually not being skeptical. This is not skeptism, it is just a convenient way for the establishment view of things to be seen as the correct version, all the time, every time. In fact, it is common for "hit pieces" or "debunking articles" to pick extremely fringe and not very populated conspiracy theories. This in turn makes all conspiracies on a subject matter look crazy. Skeptics magazine and Popular Mechanics, among many others, did this with 9/11. They referred to less than 10% of the many different conspiracy theories about 9/11 and picked the less popular ones, in fact, they picked the fringe, highly improbable points that only a few people make. This was used as the "final investigation" for looking into the conspiracy theories. Convenient, huh?

jh79

Obelisk wrote: »

Here's another 33- http://www.newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/980/33-Conspiracy-Theories-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-True-What-Every-Person-Should-Know-Updated-Revised-and-Extended.aspx

Well the first 14 didn't really deliver, these are probably even worse

tfitzgerald

Very interesting post op thanks

Jonny7

jh79 wrote: »

Well the first 14 didn't really deliver, these are probably even worse

I had a look through, its mostly just well known, well documented stuff from a generation ago. The title of this post is a little silly really.

Laika1986

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Christians? Sure most of the Yanks are christians.

I don't see how that makes a difference to be honest. In order to create fear you need to have a constant threat that can come from anywhere.

fontanalis

Jonny7 wrote: »

I had a look through, its mostly just well known, well documented stuff from a generation ago. The title of this post is a little silly really.

it's one of those articles designed to feed into the narcissism of many conspiracy theorists who think they exist on a different plane and have knowledge the "sheeple" don't.

ed2hands

fontanalis wrote: »

it's one of those articles designed to feed into the narcissism of many conspiracy theorists who think they exist on a different plane and have knowledge the "sheeple" don't.

Can understand your point of view. There's plenty of those types out there.

Also there's plenty of types that put their fingers in their ears and shout "lalalalalala" about any particular topic if they're uncomfortable with the source or who is imparting the info regardless of it's merit. (Not aimed at you by the way, just a general point.)

That's not to say there's not a ferocious amount of laughable bull**** on the interweb aswell.

jh79

ed2hands wrote: »

Can understand your point of view. There's plenty of those types out there.

Also there's plenty of types that put their fingers in their ears and shout "lalalalalala" about any particular topic if they're uncomfortable with the source or who is imparting the info regardless of it's merit. (Not aimed at you by the way, just a general point.)

That's not to say there's not a ferocious amount of laughable bull**** on the interweb aswell.

But you thanked the OP???

ed2hands

jh79 wrote: »

But you thanked the OP???

:)Well yes i did as it's an interesting piece as in not laughable bull****.

jh79

ed2hands wrote: »

:)Well yes i did as it's an interesting piece as in not laughable bull****.

Its not far off, the links are okay but the intros are laughable

fontanalis

Number 6 on the list about arming drug cartels was more of a co*k up than conspiracy; the ATF tried to plant tracking devices on weapons and let them get into the cartels hands. But the batteries died on the devices.

Di0genes

#11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans

Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous. I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

Well then you're hopelessly naive. Penicillin kills hundreds of people who have allergies to Penicillin, should we stop using Penicillin?

The amount of people saved by prescription drugs is completely and dwarfed by the hundreds of millions of people saved by prescription drugs.

Monty Burnz

Laika1986 wrote: »

It's the next phase of the plan imo. Muslims are viewed as terrorists. Then Christians. They will just divide everyone into different groups so we fear each other and even our group.

I don't see how Christians can be portrayed as terrorists unless they start terrorist campaigns?

And if Christian groups start such campaigns, then by definition they are terrorists. But do you really think that ordinary Christians and non-religious people here or in the US or whatever will suddenly see all Christians as terrorists?

Hint: In Muslim countries they don't think all Muslims are terrorists.

Obelisk

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't see how Christians can be portrayed as terrorists unless they start terrorist campaigns?
.

Brevic anyone? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056335767&page=10

Monty Burnz

Obelisk wrote: »

Brevic anyone? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056335767&page=10

Yeah, but if he's a Christian and he's a terrorist, how should he be portrayed? That's my point exactly.

Obelisk

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Yeah, but if he's a Christian and he's a terrorist, how should he be portrayed? That's my point exactly.

I had posted it on that page, I think it was my first post on here!

Monty Burnz

Obelisk wrote: »

I had posted it on that page, I think it was my first post on here!

Now I'm hopelessly confused: you agree with me that the idea of 'portraying Christians as terrorists' to persecute them is a ludicrous one?

Common ground, brother!

Obelisk

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Now I'm hopelessly confused: you agree with me that the idea of 'portraying Christians as terrorists' to persecute them is a ludicrous one?

Sorry but not at all. I believe we are the new targets! The last unsuspicious demographic (white people) but I can see it changing already!

This guy explains it pretty well, it's the link I posted well actually the whole reason I joined the forum was to discuss this theory tbh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LG44ONWj2g

The opening thrust of this video is the new department of homeland security video creating the concept of "the white al qaeda" (how to be a stazi snitch for the new world order) and the almost contemporaneous terrorist attacks in oslo, norway, coincidence?

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

Well then you're hopelessly naive. Penicillin kills hundreds of people who have allergies to Penicillin, should we stop using Penicillin?

The amount of people saved by prescription drugs is completely and dwarfed by the hundreds of millions of people saved by prescription drugs.

I think you'll agree that doesn't excuse the shocking figures for deaths, the lax rules for testing, the vast amount of overprescribing and mass marketing, the selling of speed to toddlers, pushing prozac to the mildly depressed, the massive profiteering from poisoning.

Millions of people have been helped by prescription drugs since modern medicine developed but that fact does absolutely nothing zero nada to mitigate whats we're discussing now does it?

Drug pushing is drug pushing is drug pushing.

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

I think you'll agree that doesn't excuse the shocking figures for deaths,

Those aren't shocking figures. At all. 200,000 out of how many people were prescribed prescription medicine?

the lax rules for testing, the vast amount of overprescribing and mass marketing, the selling of speed to toddlers, pushing prozac to the mildly depressed, the massive profiteering from poisoning.

Thats not the argument. The suggest in the OP is that prescription drugs aren't safe.

Millions of people have been helped by prescription drugs since modern medicine developed but that fact does absolutely nothing zero nada to mitigate whats we're discussing now does it?

Drug pushing is drug pushing is drug pushing.

No, thats' not the original point.

From the OP

to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.

The original discussion was on the safety of prescription drugs. You want to change the discussion to over prescription.

Thats a different "conspiracy theory"

If you're trying to shift the goalpost don't pretend they were already there in the first place.

Monty Burnz

Obelisk wrote: »

Sorry but not at all. I believe we are the new targets! The last unsuspicious demographic (white people) but I can see it changing already!

Ok, but how will this work? How do you recognise Christians in a largely Christian community? Who do you get to turn against the overwhelming majority population?

I already pointed out that, in Islamic countries, they know that all Muslims are not terrorists. Why would it be different here or in the US/UK?

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

Those aren't shocking figures. At all. 200,000 out of how many people were prescribed prescription medicine?



Thats not the argument. The suggest in the OP is that prescription drugs aren't safe.



No, thats' not the original point.

From the OP



The original discussion was on the safety of prescription drugs. You want to change the discussion to over prescription.

Thats a different "conspiracy theory"

If you're trying to shift the goalpost don't pretend they were already there in the first place.

Oh dear. If you're not shocked by those figures then i'm also shocked that you're not shocked.

It's all there in the Vanity Fair article in black and white mate. If you think 200,000 deaths is "dwarfed" then please let's have a look at the figures from somewhere on a year on year basis.

Your point about penicillin and allergies is a lame response to this outrage.


Overprescription causes deaths does it not??
You have a neck saying my points up there are "conspiracy theory".

Moving the goalposts my arse.

How about avoiding the elephant in the room with a retort based on penicillen and allergies?

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

Oh dear. If you're not shocked by those figures then i'm also shocked that you're not shocked.



It's all there in the Vanity Fair article in black and white mate. If you think 200,000 deaths is "dwarfed" then please let's have a look at the figures from somewhere on a year on year basis.

There's 300milion americans. At least half take one prescription medicine a year. So that's 148,000,000 Americans who take Prescription medicine to manage things from infections to chronic life threatening conditions, and 200,000 who die from complications.

Your point about penicillin and allergies is a lame response to this outrage.

What outrage? Should Americans stop taking Insulin? Heart Medication?

Overprescription causes deaths does it not??

I would imagine under prescription of medicine to manage chronic conditions would cause more deaths.

You have a neck saying my points up there are "conspiracy theory".

Your points up there a conspiracy theory/

Moving the goalposts my arse.

You are.

How about avoiding the elephant in the room with a retort based on penicillen and allergies?

So we shouldn't discuss antibotics and allergy medicine?

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

There's 300milion americans. At least half take one prescription medicine a year. So that's 148,000,000 Americans who take Prescription medicine to manage things from infections to chronic life threatening conditions, and 200,000 who die from complications

That 200,000 would be a lot less i wager if the greedy c#nts tested them adequately and didn't overprescribe yes?

Di0genes wrote: »

What outrage? Should Americans stop taking Insulin? Heart Medication?

No they shouldn't. The outrage here is contained in the OP.

Di0genes wrote: »

I would imagine under prescription of medicine to manage chronic conditions would cause more deaths.

Chronic conditions yes. Ofcourse****ingofcourse.

Overprescription is rampant.

Di0genes wrote: »

Your points up there a conspiracy theory/

You are.

:pac:
Is it ****! Excuse my French diogenes but if you don't realise that large swathes of the US population are under attack from one big legalised drugs pushing orgy, then you're for the birds.

Di0genes wrote: »

So we shouldn't discuss antibotics and allergy medicine?

Didn't say that. It's only part of the cause though. Would appreciate some info/stats on allergies and antibiotics in relation to this from you rather than just us banging heads for the sake of it. Links please.

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

That 200,000 would be a lot less i wager if the greedy c#nts tested them adequately and didn't overprescribe yes?

Thats a massive presumption. Can you show how many of those 200,000 are improper testing, and not allergic reactions to the drugs for example?

No they shouldn't. The outrage here is contained in the OP.

Yes, and you've dumped on a huge stack on non sequiturs on there as well.

Chronic conditions yes. Ofcourse****ingofcourse.

Overprescription is rampant.

So we shouldn't prescript insulin or blood thinners or anything.

Your rage is incoherent.

:pac:
Is it ****! Excuse my French diogenes but if you don't realise that large swathes of the US population are under attack from one big legalised drugs pushing orgy, then you're for the birds.

Not a compelling argument there. And for the blindingly obvious point, no one is forcing people to take drugs? Legal or Illegal....

Didn't say that. It's only part of the cause though. Would appreciate some info/stats on allergies and antibiotics in relation to this from you rather than just us banging heads for the sake of it. Links please.

Allergies are one of the most common ways people die from prescription drugs

http://www.acaai.org/allergist/allergies/Types/drug-allergy/Pages/default.aspx

Have you ever been admitted to hospital? One of the first things you'll be asked is "are you allergic to Penicillin?"

The only way you'll find out you're allergic to Pencillin is to be given Penicillin and finding out if you have a adverse reaction to it.

Now (and I think we've been over this ground before) because some people are allergic to pencillin should we stop using this lifesaving drug?

No. So we have to take the fact that of the hundreds of millions of people who take prescription drugs to manage or cure serious illness, and a few hundred thousand will have adverse reaction to this drugs, should we stop using these drugs just because of the adverse reaction?

jargon buster

Maybe doctors are pissed off with cry babies always at his door whining about something or other, some people like being ill, it gives them something to moan about.

Just give them some more tablets and make them happy, so you could say over prescribing is actually a good thing for some people.

Monty Burnz

One interesting thing about the evil drug companies is that they haven't really been doing the business for investors for the last decade - or at least, some of them haven't. I remember looking at GlaxoSmithKline with an eye to investing a few grand in them a decade ago, because the price had dropped to about 13 pounds. The price today is about 13 pounds, ten years later. Ok, you'd have got a couple of percent p/a in dividends, but in reality that's a pretty poor return for ten years of capital investment when you consider that inflation would have eaten all your dividends anyway.

So whatever way they are evilly scheming to rob the public, they'd really want to get their acts together and do a better job of it.

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

Thats a massive presumption. Can you show how many of those 200,000 are improper testing, and not allergic reactions to the drugs for example?

Nope.
Nice asking questions you know the answers to isn't it?

I can use my brain to deduct, based on the facts, that if the drugs that are supposedly tested adequately and are deemed "safe" by the FDA are not actually tested adequately and are therefore not as safe as they could be; or even worse: they're poisonous and dangerous to those that don't require them, then yes i feel comfortable in making that presumption.

Di0genes wrote: »

Yes, and you've dumped on a huge stack on non sequiturs on there as well.

I apologise for those.

Di0genes wrote: »

So we shouldn't prescript insulin or blood thinners or anything.

Any less silly questions?

Di0genes wrote: »

Your rage is incoherent.

So is your defence.

Di0genes wrote: »

Not a compelling argument there. And for the blindingly obvious point, no one is forcing people to take drugs? Legal or Illegal....

Correct. They're being persuaded by mass marketing, dishonesty and lies.

Di0genes wrote: »

Allergies are one of the most common ways people die from prescription drugs

http://www.acaai.org/allergist/allergies/Types/drug-allergy/Pages/default.aspx

Have you ever been admitted to hospital? One of the first things you'll be asked is "are you allergic to Penicillin?"

The only way you'll find out you're allergic to Pencillin is to be given Penicillin and finding out if you have a adverse reaction to it.

Now (and I think we've been over this ground before) because some people are allergic to pencillin should we stop using this lifesaving drug?

Overprescription = more allergies = more very nasty side effects and deaths. Ta for the link. No stats in there though. Maybe someone more knowledgable than me might be prepared to flesh this out a bit.

Di0genes wrote: »

No. So we have to take the fact that of the hundreds of millions of people who take prescription drugs to manage or cure serious illness, and a few hundred thousand will have adverse reaction to this drugs,

The bit i bolded. Serious illness? I doubt that. Most would not have a serious condition i gather. Some just get nervous at family gatherings and are told by Troy McClure on TV that there's a drug to help with that.

Di0genes wrote: »

should we stop using these drugs just because of the adverse reaction?

Well if you're talking about the drugs to alleviate/cure symptons of serious illness, the answer would be no they shouldn't stop them.

Side effects for all drugs are deliberately and routinely downplayed and hidden.

ed2hands

jargon buster wrote: »

Maybe doctors are pissed off with cry babies always at his door whining about something or other, some people like being ill, it gives them something to moan about.

Just give them some more tablets and make them happy, so you could say over prescribing is actually a good thing for some people.

What a pile of horse manure. Thanks for wasting 3o seconds of my night.

Di0genes

ed2hands wrote: »

Di0genes wrote: »

Thats a massive presumption. Can you show how many of those 200,000 are improper testing, and not allergic reactions to the drugs for example?

Nope.
Nice asking questions you know the answers to isn't it?

I can use my brain to deduct, based on the facts, that if the drugs that are supposedly tested adequately and are deemed "safe" by the FDA are not actually tested adequately and are therefore not as safe as they could be; or even worse: they're poisonous and dangerous to those that don't require them, then yes i feel comfortable in making that presumption.

It's logic Jim but not as we know it. They can test the drugs adequately, and understand that the drugs present a allergy risk to some of the population, but the overall benefit to the population as whole it is worth the risk.

Some people are allergic to certain antibotics, should we not use these antibotics at all because of this tiny minority?



I apologise for those.

Di0genes wrote: »

So we shouldn't prescript insulin or blood thinners or anything.

Any less silly questions?

It's a very serious question

You're talking about over prescription, these are prescription drugs prescribed to millions upon millions of people.

Di0genes wrote: »

Allergies are one of the most common ways people die from prescription drugs

http://www.acaai.org/allergist/allergies/Types/drug-allergy/Pages/default.aspx

Have you ever been admitted to hospital? One of the first things you'll be asked is "are you allergic to Penicillin?"

The only way you'll find out you're allergic to Pencillin is to be given Penicillin and finding out if you have a adverse reaction to it.

Now (and I think we've been over this ground before) because some people are allergic to pencillin should we stop using this lifesaving drug?

Overprescription = more allergies =

Thats a leap of causality.

Di0genes wrote: »

No. So we have to take the fact that of the hundreds of millions of people who take prescription drugs to manage or cure serious illness, and a few hundred thousand will have adverse reaction to this drugs,

The bit i bolded. Serious illness? I doubt that

Diabetes isn't serious? Cancer?

. Most would not have a serious condition i gather. Some just get nervous at family gatherings and are told by Troy McClure on TV that there's a drug to help with that.

Thats editorialising. Are you claiming that the major of drugs prescribed in the US are more mental health issues.

Any chance of any proof for this claim?

Di0genes wrote: »

should we stop using these drugs just because of the adverse reaction?

Well if you're talking about the drugs to alleviate/cure symptons of serious illness, the answer would be no they shouldn't stop them.

Side effects for all drugs are deliberately and routinely downplayed and hidden.

Again two complete non sequiturs.

jargon buster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malingering


Are you suggesting over prescribing would be upsetting to these people?

Obelisk

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Ok, but how will this work? How do you recognise Christians in a largely Christian community? Who do you get to turn against the overwhelming majority population?

The usual stuff? Watch the other hand etc...

Mahatma coat

another one Confirmed on the news tonight

The IRA Trained ANC Activists in Apartheid South Africa

May not come as a surprise to most of us, but it was Vehemently denied for a very long time.

ed2hands

Diogenes can you tidy up your post please so i can get what you're saying. Might not respond till tomorrow though. Thanks.

ed2hands

jargon buster wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malingering


Are you suggesting over prescribing would be upsetting to these people?

Hello again.

I see you're not content with poisoning just one thread with your own particular brand of social darwinisms.

I won't be answering your dumbass question.

How about you come back when you're interested in dicussing the topic seriously and not puking out your odious pompous trollish garbage.

Monty Burnz

Obelisk wrote: »

The usual stuff? Watch the other hand etc...

Sorry Obey, you've lost me again man! The usual way you'd spot a religious minority in Western society is because they look and/or dress differently and/or behave differently. You could work in an office for years these days and not know whether your colleagues are COI or Catholic, or atheist/agnostic. They don't exactly stand out from the crowd - they are the crowd.

Obelisk

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Sorry Obey, you've lost me again man! The usual way you'd spot a religious minority in Western society is because they look and/or dress differently and/or behave differently. You could work in an office for years these days and not know whether your colleagues are COI or Catholic, or atheist/agnostic. They don't exactly stand out from the crowd - they are the crowd.

They said that he was " a fundamental Christian", " a businessman", " a freemason", "a businessman", "an avid internet user", "an organic farmer" amongst other things! Just some examples. Several other groups were implicated before they even had the guy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KJ3rUVvGhQ

Monty Burnz

Obelisk wrote: »

They said that he was " a fundamental Christian", " a businessman", " a freemason", "a businessman", "an avid internet user", "an organic farmer" amongst other things! Just some examples. Several other groups were implicated before they even had the guy...

Right, but that doesn't address my point. You are making it sound like 'they' are coming for Christians. I'm saying that - seeing as most people in the US/UK/Ireland etc. are Christian, or shall we say 'Christian cultured' - who or what is to be turned against the Christians? How could anyone make the majority population look like terrorists if they aren't?

You can see how it would happen with a minority, as in the US where anyone wearing a turban is seen in some quarters as a terrorist. But with a majority?

Let's flip this around: can you imagine a conspiracy to make the people of Egypt think that all Muslims are terrorists? And what would be the upshot? The Christian minority chase out the Muslim majority?

Laika1986

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't see how Christians can be portrayed as terrorists unless they start terrorist campaigns?

And if Christian groups start such campaigns, then by definition they are terrorists. But do you really think that ordinary Christians and non-religious people here or in the US or whatever will suddenly see all Christians as terrorists?

Hint: In Muslim countries they don't think all Muslims are terrorists.

Cheers for the Hint!I think ya kinda took me up wrong. For example the riots in England, the majority of the younger generation will be resented by the rest therefore creating mistrust and alienating them from society. So now in England there is mistrust of Muslims and the youth(I don't mean to generalise just the easiest way of describing them). Maybe another section of society is next.

As regards Christian Terrorism perhaps the recent killing spree could be the beginning of this. I remember the reading here that a lot of people around Europe agreed with his ideals but obviously not his actions.

I'm not saying any of this is happening or I'm onto something it's just the way I see it panning out.

Monty Burnz

Laika1986 wrote: »

For example the riots in England, the majority of the younger generation will be resented by the rest therefore creating mistrust and alienating them from society. So now in England there is mistrust of Muslims and the youth(I don't mean to generalise just the easiest way of describing them). Maybe another section of society is next.

Ok, I understand your point now. But do you think the riots were caused by 'them'? Because to me, it looked like a bunch of mindless morons trashing their own neighbourhood for what they could steal.

ed2hands

Di0genes wrote: »

Allergies are one of the most common ways people die from prescription drugs

http://www.acaai.org/allergist/allergies/Types/drug-allergy/Pages/default.aspx

That link you gave doesn't seem to verify your claim above.
I'll take it as untrue unless you can provide something better than that.

Did a quick search and didn't find anything much except this:

Drug Allergy

• Anaphylactic reactions to penicillin cause 400 deaths.7
• Between 6% and 10% of adverse drug reactions are allergic or immunologic in nature.15

http://www.aaaai.org/about-the-aaaai/newsroom/allergy-statistics.aspx#General_Statistics


(2009 - harms of prescription drugs) "Each year offers new examples of injuries and deaths caused by untoward dangers in prescription drugs. Prominent illustrations from recent years include Vioxx, a popular arthritis painkiller that more than doubled the risk of heart attacks and strokes,6 a risk that lingered long after users stopped taking the drug;7 “Phen-fen,” a diet drug that caused heart damage;8 and Propulsid, a drug that reduced gastric acid but also threatened patients’ hearts.9 Once information on these side-effects became known to the public, the manufacturers of each of these drugs stopped selling them and, eventually, paid millions or billions of dollars to settle claims for resulting injuries.10 Merck, for example, having withdrawn the profitable Vioxx drug11 from the market in 2004, settled nearly 50,000 Vioxx cases in late 2007 for $4.85 billion.12 In 2009, Eli Lilly agreed to plead guilty and pay $1.415 billion in criminal and civil penalties for promoting its antipsychotic drug, Zyprexa, as suitable for uses not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”).13 These cases may be among the more prominent, but they represent just the tip of the iceberg of damage caused by prescription drugs."
Source:
Owen, David G., "Dangers in Prescription Drugs: Filling a Private Law Gap in the Healthcare Debate," Connecticut Law Review (Hartford, CT: University of Connecticut School of Law, February 2010) Volume 42, Number 3, p. 737.
http://connecticutlawreview.org/documents/DavidG.Owen-DangersinPrescript...

Di0genes wrote: »

Are you claiming that the major of drugs prescribed in the US are more mental health issues.

No.

Di0genes wrote: »

Any chance of any proof for this claim?

Didn't make it. I said "some".


Now why are we talking about penicillen and allergies in relation to deaths when we should be talking about testing and overprescription?

Monty Burnz

ed2hands wrote: »

Now why are we talking about penicillen and allergies in relation to deaths when we should be talking about testing and overprescription?

Ed, I hope I'm not taking this O/T, but every single system I've ever looked at is flawed. If doctors are over-prescribing (and of course, prescribing the wrong stuff) isn't it much more likely that this is due to human nature? For example, a sick patient wants results, and the doctor prescribes something that might work but probably won't. Or the doctor prescribes something for another complaint with similar symptoms. Both seem more likely (and more human) than some big conspiracy to sell more drugs (which the pharmacists would benefit a lot more from, rather than the doctors).

With regard to testing, I confess I don't know much about it. I imagine that nearly every drug has side-effects, and a drug will presumably be deemed useful if it (say) saves a hundred lives, but costs one. Or drastically improves the quality of life of 99.9% of those who take it, but kills .1%.

I'm just reminded of a drug that Elan were testing, called 'Tysbari' or something like that, for Multiple Sclerosis. In stage 2 or 3 clinical trials, it was found that a few people who took it died and I seem to recall the trial was scrapped. But I see that it is on sale now - clearly someone made the decision that a couple of deaths where the drug was a contributing factor is outweighed by the relief it gives to the vast majority of MS patients.

Medicine is full of trade-offs like that. We could really do with a bit of medical expertise in this discussion!