The IRA and Gerry Adams helped to fight against apartheid...

Wolfe Tone

THE IRA helped carry out one of the biggest bomb attacks against the South African apartheid government in the early 1980s, according to the memoirs of former senior ANC activist and politician Kader Asmal.

The former ANC cabinet minister and Trinity law professor, who died earlier this year, reveals in his memoirs published this week how volunteers recruited from Ireland carried out reconnaissance on one of the country’s most strategic installations – the Sasol oil refinery in Sasolburg, near Johannesburg, before it was bombed on June 1st, 1980.

The attack was carried out by Umkhonto we Sizwe, better known as MK, the military wing of the ANC, and struck a major blow against the apartheid state at the time.

In his book, Politics in my Blood , Asmal, founder of the Irish Anti-Apartheid Movement (IAAM), also claims Gerry Adams provided the IRA volunteers to carry out the mission after he contacted go-between Michael O’Riordan, then general secretary of the Communist Party of Ireland.

Asmal, who died in June this year aged 76, recounts how he was approached in the late 1970s to help arrange training for MK cadres in Ireland.

“I was very keen, but it was a delicate task because it would of necessity involve the IRA. None of us wished to place the ANC office in London in jeopardy or fuel the allegations of connivance between the ANC and IRA,” he writes.

“I went to see the general secretary of the Communist Party of Ireland, Michael O’Riordan, who was a man of great integrity and whom I trusted to keep a secret. He in turn contacted Gerry Adams of Sinn Féin and it was arranged that two military experts would come to Dublin to meet two MK personnel and take them to a safe place for two weeks of intensive training. I believe the expertise the MK cadres obtained was duly imparted to others in the ANC camps in Angola.”

Asmal says he was later approached again by the MK high command who wanted two people to conduct a reconnaissance operation on the feasibility of attacking Sasol, South Africa’s major oil refinery, vital to the maintenance of the apartheid state.

“Once again, I arranged the task with Adams of Sinn Féin, through the mediation of O’Riordan. Though I no longer recall the names of the persons who volunteered, if indeed I ever knew them, they laid the ground for one of the most dramatic operations carried out by MK personnel.”

Recalling the 1980 attack as one the most daring acts of military insurgency in the struggle against apartheid, he writes: “. . . while the damage to the refinery was, according to the apartheid regime, relatively superficial, the propaganda value and its effect on the morale of the liberation movement were inestimable. Yet only Louise (my wife) and I knew the attack on Sasolburg was the result of reconnaissance carried out by members of the IRA.”

He adds: “At the time of the Sasolburg attack, I was very much in tune with Ireland and with Irish needs and aspirations. I was a strong believer in Irish independence and in a united Ireland. But I never supported the IRA.”

He added: “The attack on Sasolburg had nothing to do with the IAAM, and nobody knew about the story behind it except Louise and me.

“When the plant blew up, we were so excited I suppose some of the other IAAM people must have wondered if we had any connection or involvement.”

A law professor at Trinity College Dublin for 27 years, Asmal returned to South Africa in 1990, and became Minister of Education after elections in 1999.

Very interesting revelations indeed. I wonder what SF and Gerry will say about this. Will Gerry Adams deny it? It brings up his links to the IRA again (the whole membership issue) for one thing.

The aid was clearly not given for propaganda purposes, but imo, out of genuine solidarity and comradeship to aid an oppressed people, after all it has remained a secret until now when it clearly would have helped the IRAs image.

I'm very curious to see what people have to say about this, well done SF and the IRA I say, for helping to fight against a brutal oppressive regime. No doubt the usual suspects will say this was simply a case of "one group of terrorists helping another".

I read elsewhere that while all this was going on SF where banned from the Irish anti apartheid movement? If true, oh dear.

Heres what Adams had to say about Asmal;

Adams pays tribute to Anti-Apartheid and Human Rights activist Kader Asmal

June 22, 2011

Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams TD commenting on the death of Anti-apartheid activist Kader Asmal today said:

“It is with great sadness that I have heard the news of the sudden death of Kader Asmal today in South Africa.

“On behalf of Sinn Fein I want to extend my sincere condolences to his wife, Louise, his two sons, his grandchildren and also to the ANC and the people of South Africa on whose behalf he worked tirelessly for many years.

“I met Kader many times in Ireland and in South Africa when he was first the Minister of Water Affairs and later when he was Education Minister.

“He was a loyal and active member of the national executive of the African National Congress and a fearless human rights champion.

“Kader devoted his life to ending apartheid and building a new society in South Africa reflective of all its citizens.

“He was a founder of the Anti-Apartheid Movement and as a human rights lawyer he fought repression wherever he found it.

“D'oibrigh Kader Asmal in Éirinn ar son a phobal i nDeisceart na hAfraice a bhí faoi ionsaí, faoi ghéarleanúint, faoi chiapadh faoin córas apartheid ansin le blianta fada.

“Bhí Kader an-gníomhach freisin ins an obair in Éirinn ag am a bhain le géarleanúint i dtuaisceart na hÉireann agus cúrsaí cearta daonna a h-ardú le cibé rialtas a bhí i réim.

“I first met Kader here in Ireland where he worked for nearly 30 years. Here too he was a champion for human rights. He was a vigorous opponent of British injustice in the north and his work on British state killings in the north, in which he identified almost 400 victims, was groundbreaking.

“His work in the Irish Council for Civil Liberties was instrumental in highlighting the repressive nature of legislation such as the Offences Against the State Act.

“Seolaim mo comhbhrón le Louise, a dá mac, garmhic, agus go háirithe chuig an pobal i nDeisceart na h-Afraice atá tar éis é a chailliúint inniu.

“To Louise and his family and friends at home and internationally I extend solidarity on the loss of a great advocate for equality and human rights.

“Suaimhneas síoraí dó.” ENDS

It seems he left a few bits out! I wonder how this will pan out over the next few days.

HellsAngel

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Very interesting revelations indeed. I wonder what SF and Gerry will say about this. Will Gerry Adams deny it? It brings up his links to the IRA again (the whole membership issue) for one thing.

The aid was clearly not given for propaganda purposes, but imo, genuine solidarity and comradeship to aid an oppressed people, after all it has remained a secret until now when it clearly would have helped the IRAs image.

I'm very curious to see what people have to say about this, well done SF and the IRA I say, for helping to fight against a brutal oppressive regime. No doubt the usual suspects will say this was simply a case of "one group of terrorists helping another".

I read elsewhere that while all this was going on SF where banned from the Irish anti apartheid movement? If true, oh dear.

Heres what Adams had to say about Asmal;



It seems he left a few bits out! I wonder how this will pan out over the next few days.

Good to see the IRA supplied some expertise and help to a native people who were been racially discriminated, attacked and killed. Just altruism & solidarity. Ironically at the time that the IRA were supplying real aid to the ANC, the stickies and Labour and Cruise O'Brien and Garret Fitzgerald were banning Sinn Féin from the Anti Apartheid Movement here !!!!! I remember getting into some heated debates with middle class students on anti apartheid demos who were all praise about Mandela and the ANC but would condemn Adams and the IRA as .......wait for it........FASCISTS !!!!!

PK2008

Whats with the whole 'IRA fan boy' thing?

They were insignificant murdering scumbags who were a law unto themselves, and no amount of prettying up is going to change it- in any case they are in the past now.

barr32

well done to the IRA if they carried out this bombing, the whites in SA were the scum of the earth

HellsAngel

PK2008 wrote: »

Whats with the whole 'IRA fan boy' thing?

They were insignificant murdering scumbags who were a law unto themselves, and no amount of prettying up is going to change it- in any case they are in the past now.

Time will eventually show who the real good guys were and who the quislings and propagandists of the British govt were. You just have to look at the relevations about the Catholic Church, the State and it's knowledge of sex abuse etc. A decade or two ago the CC were untouchable, now look at them. Same will happen with the troubles.

blahfckingblah

Spacedog wrote: »

no they didn't

care to elaborate?

KeithAFC

Gerry had his fingers in many different pies. This is no surprise.

junder

barr32 wrote: »

well done to the IRA if they carried out this bombing, the whites in SA were the scum of the earth

All whites?

PK2008

HellsAngel wrote: »

Time will eventually show who the real good guys were and who the quislings and propagandists of the British govt were. You just have to look at the relevations about the Catholic Church, the State and it's knowledge of sex abuse etc. A decade or two ago the CC were untouchable, now look at them. Same will happen with the troubles.

Even if that were to happen, why are the IRA fan boys so concerned with defending the IRA. Even actual IRA members have moved on, nobody cares any more if the IRA were right or wrong, the argument is old and boring.

It amazes me the amount of energy IRA fan boys put into defending something that they weren't even part of and have no real experience of beyond googling old irrelevant stories, at least Apple fan boys are somewhat relevant

Fratton Fred

barr32 wrote: »

well done to the IRA if they carried out this bombing, the whites in SA were the scum of the earth

No they weren't, the majority of whites in SA wanted an end to Apartheid.

The regime was scum and was rightly brought to an end, but don't for one minute think that all whites were supporters of apartheid.

Fratton Fred

Wolfe Tone, can you not get yourself a blog rather than clutter up a political discussion forum with party political broadcasts.

thegreengoblin

PK2008 wrote: »

Even if that were to happen, why are the IRA fan boys so concerned with defending the IRA. Even actual IRA members have moved on, nobody cares any more if the IRA were right or wrong, the argument is old and boring.

It amazes me the amount of energy IRA fan boys put into defending something that they weren't even part of and have no real experience of beyond googling old irrelevant stories, at least Apple fan boys are somewhat relevant

They've probably been watching Reeling In The Years over the last few weeks and got nostalgic for the 'good old days'.

PK2008

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Wolfe Tone, can you not get yourself a blog rather than clutter up a political discussion forum with party political broadcasts.

Party political broadcasts that are about 20 years too late...

Wolfe Tone

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Wolfe Tone, can you not get yourself a blog rather than clutter up a political discussion forum with party political broadcasts.

Could you, and others, not stick to commenting on the topic at hand, the revelations and the implications they may have, and not muse about how you wish I had a blog? If you don't like, don't read, it's not that complicated Fred!

I can't say I am surprised Fred, typical from you, if this was something you felt could be used as a stick to beat republicans with you would be all over it rather than calling for me and my threads to be exiled to the blogosphere!

PK2008

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Could you, and others, not stick to commenting on the topic at hand, the revelations and the implications they may have, and not muse about how you wish I had a blog? If you don't like, don't read, it's not that complicated Fred!

I can't say I am surprised Fred, typical from you, if this was something you felt could be used as a stick to beat republicans with you would be all over it rather than calling for me and my threads to be exiled to the blogosphere!

I think everyone in the IRA (including Adams) deserves an OBE for this

irishh_bob

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No they weren't, the majority of whites in SA wanted an end to Apartheid.

The regime was scum and was rightly brought to an end, but don't for one minute think that all whites were supporters of apartheid.

considering the fact that whites in south africa were a small minority of the overall population , i imagine a large percentage of the anglo dutch white population had to support the ruling regime and system in order for it to last as long as it did , you might aswell say the majority of unionists in northern ireland were supportive of the civil rights movement , they were not

HellsAngel

PK2008 wrote: »

I think everyone in the IRA (including Adams) deserves an OBE for this

I think international recognition will be enough for them

KeithAFC

Is it worth praising this? If you praise this, surely you have to praise bloody friday, Jean McConville and the Shankill bombing?

PK2008

HellsAngel wrote: »

I think international recognition will be enough for them

For you or for them?

How would you have any insight into what former IRA members want? Do you even know anybody that was in the IRA? Have ever actually met and spoken to an IRA member?

If they do want any recognition they don't need kids on internet forums to fight their battles.

blahfckingblah

KeithAFC wrote: »

Is it worth praising this? If you praise this, surely you have to praise bloody friday, Jean McConville and the Shankill bombing?

very very rich from you ulsterscotkieth. Preach any hate on youtube lately?

junder

blahfckingblah wrote: »

very very rich from you ulsterscotkieth. Preach any hate on youtube lately?

What ever Keith does or not say on other sites, he has a point. If you support one bombing then surly you would support them all

Sunnyisland

blahfckingblah wrote: »

very very rich from you ulsterscotkieth. Preach any hate on youtube lately?

Wonder does he do that because he thinks this might swing attention from the UVF connections to the white SA goverment



The South African state-owned company which, in defiance of the 1977 United Nations arms embargo, set about making South Africa self-sufficient in military hardware. The arms were divided between the UVF, the UDA and Ulster Resistance.

KeithAFC

junder wrote: »

What ever Keith does or not say on other sites, he has a point. If you support one bombing then surly you would support them all

I wish people would stay on topic Junder but that was my point.

LordSutch

The whole praising of Bombings makes me sick, so maybe the IRA did plant bombs in SA which blew white Africanas to little pieces, but then thats what the IRA did to people in NI for thirty years, and those who didnt die are now in wheelchairs with various bits of their bodies missing!

And some people want to praise/thank the IRA :cool:

irishh_bob

junder wrote: »

What ever Keith does or not say on other sites, he has a point. If you support one bombing then surly you would support them all

id wager that kieth ( were he alive at the time ) would have supported the bombing of dresden during ww2

blahfckingblah

snip nevermind

Any more "scum", "scumbags", personal comments, off topic posts, and this thread will be locked, and infractions handed out. Post on the topic please.

Sunnyisland

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LordSutch

realies wrote: »

The Uvf blew my Auntie to bits in Dublin why are you and your like not coming on and complaining about keith's blatant support for them. His whole one sided view point makes me sick.

Well I apologise for not being more vocal about the UVF & their atrocities in Dublin, and as far as I'm concerned, they (the UVF) crawled out of the same sewer as their opposite numbers in the PIRA, rats the lot of them. Planting bombs in Ireland or SA never acheived anything positive.

Alopex

Wonder if the anc did anything for them in return. or maybe the IRA just wanted to make contacts out there.

Interestingly some white south Africans actually had time for the IRA. Quite a lot of anti-British sentiment in that nation. Saw a documentary about Eugenie Terreblanche and one of his cohorts was full of praise for the republican movement and Bobby Sands in particular.

Sunnyisland

The Ira & Anc were pretty close and both classed each other as "Armies" fighting for the freedom of there countries it is also quite remarkable that both groups then turned from the Armed struggle to the democratic way with constant intercontact between Sinn fein and The political wing of the Anc and both parties are now in goverment.

Wolfe Tone

Alopex wrote: »

Wonder if the anc did anything for them in return. or maybe the IRA just wanted to make contacts out there.

Interestingly some white south Africans actually had time for the IRA. Quite a lot of anti-British sentiment in that nation. Saw a documentary about Eugenie Terreblanche and one of his cohorts was full of praise for the republican movement and Bobby Sands in particular.

Funny you should mention that, Kadar Asmal goes out of his way to mention “At the time of the Sasolburg attack, I was very much in tune with Ireland and with Irish needs and aspirations. I was a strong believer in Irish independence and in a united Ireland. But I never supported the IRA.”

It seems doubtful that they would have gotten anything in return, and what could they have gotten? Military expertise? Hardly, thats what the ANC needed.

The most valuable thing the IRA could have gotten out of this was the propaganda from helping out fellow freedom fighters, thousands of miles away.

It seems that, at the request of the ANC, the IRA and Adams never disclosed any details, even after the fall of the regime. As HellsAngel says, it appears that it was just "altruism & solidarity".

blahfckingblah

i was talking to a man from south africa a couple of weeks ago and he said that theres a lot of racial and hate problems out there still and they're only getting worse. Now i won't claim to know a lot about whats going on there recently but thats what i was told.

Sunnyisland

blahfckingblah wrote: »

i was talking to a man from south africa a couple of weeks ago and he said that there's a lot of racial and hate problems out there still and they're only getting worse. Now i won't claim to know a lot about whats going on there recently but that's what i was told.

Its all fallen apart out there with the gap between the rich (black & white)and the poor getting wider also the Anc have lost lots of support there with widespread claims of corruption in the party .Remind you of Ireland really

Alopex

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Funny you should mention that, Kadar Asmal goes out of his way to mention “At the time of the Sasolburg attack, I was very much in tune with Ireland and with Irish needs and aspirations. I was a strong believer in Irish independence and in a united Ireland. But I never supported the IRA.”

It seems doubtful that they would have gotten anything in return, and what could they have gotten? Military expertise? Hardly, thats what the ANC needed.

Perhaps they paid. Maybe the IRA thought they could be useful if they needed a new arms source in the future.

The most valuable thing the IRA could have gotten out of this was the propaganda from helping out fellow freedom fighters, thousands of miles away.

I dont think it could be that because he said "Yet only Louise (my wife) and I knew the attack on Sasolburg was the result of reconnaissance carried out by members of the IRA"

It seems that, at the request of the ANC, the IRA and Adams never disclosed any details, even after the fall of the regime. As HellsAngel says, it appears that it was just "altruism & solidarity".

I don't think groups like the IRA work that way. there's always a quid pro quo. Like Gaddafi will claim he supported the Irish cause but really he just wanted to hit the UK

laoch na mona

realies wrote: »

The Ira & Anc were pretty close and both classed each other as "Armies" fighting for the freedom of there countries.

they were and i know the Ira did terrible things(anyone heard of bloody sunday or the shankil butchers the ira wernt the worst) but in northern Ireland Catholics had no rights only a few protestants stood by them wanting civil rights isn't that bad that you would shoot protesters?

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

The whole praising of Bombings makes me sick, so maybe the IRA did plant bombs in SA which blew white Africanas to little pieces,................

Striking at one of the more unpleasant regimes of the 20th century. As oppossed to labelling those fighting a racist regime "terrorists". It's a shame that spirit of co-operation between peoples isn't more widespread. If it were, there never would have been a need for a bombing because there never would have been an apartheid regime.

steddyeddy

I cant see what the IRA would have got in return they were pretty well funded and had already some degree of military expertise.

matthew8

So the IRA helped start the "shoot the boer" culture in South Africa?

I would say they are ideologically closer to Julius Malema than Nelson Mandela.

I'll have to ask my (black) South African friend tomorrow what he thinks of this.

vellocet

steddyeddy wrote: »

I cant see what the IRA would have got in return they were pretty well funded and had already some degree of military expertise.

One presumes because they saw the ANC as brothers in arms fighting a just war against an oppressive regieme. There are similar stories about them helping the Basques and Palestinians.

vellocet

LordSutch wrote: »

Well I apologise for not being more vocal about the UVF & their atrocities in Dublin, and as far as I'm concerned, they (the UVF) crawled out of the same sewer as their opposite numbers in the PIRA, rats the lot of them. Planting bombs in Ireland or SA never acheived anything positive.

Whatever about the debate in Ireland, are you arguing the ANC's mutli pronged approach of military action, civil resistance and international lobbying didn't help end apartheid?

matthew8

vellocet wrote: »

Whatever about the debate in Ireland, are you arguing the ANC's mutli pronged approach of military action, civil resistance and international lobbying didn't help end apartheid?

Apartheid has been replaced by something even worse.

jank

matthew8 wrote: »

Apartheid has been replaced by something even worse.

That is a strong statement. You are basicly saying that a white undemocractic South Africa was better than a black democratic South Africa.
We are well aware of the problems in South Africa at the moment especially with the violence against the white farmers, it seems to be slidding towards a Mugabe type regime but it is not there yet and will take many years to get there.

rounding tattenham Corner

Not really a surprise if the IRA was helping the ANC, one terrorist helping another nothing new in that. The IRA has always been the poster boy for efficient terrorism from South Africa to Columbia.

I wonder if flags are flying at half mast at Sinn Fein offices now that they seem to have lost their old sugar daddy colonel Gaddafi

Jelle1880

If they were so commited, why did they not send people over to fight, like the Irish who went to Spain during the civil war there ?

HellsAngel

PK2008 wrote: »

For you or for them?

How would you have any insight into what former IRA members want? Do you even know anybody that was in the IRA? Have ever actually met and spoken to an IRA member?

If they do want any recognition they don't need kids on internet forums to fight their battles.

:rolleyes: Have been friends with and met dozens or Provos down the years. Wouldn't claim I was in it or anything. I have also gone to Belfast and met loyalists from the PUP. Even hung out a few ex Brits on me travels, on the lash in Prague or whatever. To be honest most of them were just ordinary soldiers from the infantry, engineers etc. No politics.

If it was a ****** from the Paras or Royal Marines, I have nothing to do with them. Indeed as much as I might have disliked loyalism as a movement etc, I can concede that to varying degrees they at least had some political motivation.

HellsAngel

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If they were so commited, why did they not send people over to fight, like the Irish who went to Spain during the civil war there ?

I thought they did as per OP " The former ANC cabinet minister and Trinity law professor, who died earlier this year, reveals in his memoirs published this week how volunteers recruited from Ireland carried out reconnaissance on one of the country’s most strategic installations – the Sasol oil refinery in Sasolburg, near Johannesburg, before it was bombed on June 1st, 1980. "

Jelle1880

Reconnaissance isn't exactly what I would class as 'fighting'.

Nodin

matthew8 wrote: »

Apartheid has been replaced by something even worse.

A democratic regime?

jank

jank wrote: »

That is a strong statement. You are basicly saying that a white undemocractic South Africa was better than a black democratic South Africa.
We are well aware of the problems in South Africa at the moment especially with the violence against the white farmers, it seems to be slidding towards a Mugabe type regime but it is not there yet and will take many years to get there.

You sure about this. i am currently working in SA and the amount of racist and discrimination i have experienced because i am white unreal.

Look at scenes today in central johannesburg, in support of the devil's child Malema. i posted here a couple of months ago about SA, in my 3 years here it is crumbling which is a shame because it a beautiful country.

If any of you think democracy has worked here, then explain to me this.


- Open corruption at all levels, from president to cops, a much different scenario than ireland
- Massive brutal crime, including breaking into houses, then raping the women while the men tied up have to watch and then more than likely be murdered
- People need electric fences to protect them at night, enough said
- Malema is the so called champion of the poor who can build a R16million rand house on R50000 a month wages
- More murders a day than iraq
- Election intimidation, election violance
- Infrastruction falling apart, roads are crumbling, power outages, telkom a complete disaster, massive municipality bills sent out and i mean massive
- Tender irregularities, billions of rand going missing
- The call for nationalisation of mines because all the BEE (Black economic empowerment) companies collapsed leaving all the workers owed millions of rand in wages not paid
- calls for nationalisation, full stop is not democratic and a move towards communism

i hear the argument that ANC has lost support, it hasn't. The only reason the DA gained so much was because loads of ANC supporters boycotted the last elections as a protest to the ANC over service delivery.

Watch the strikes here, they thrash the place.

The ANC is slowly forcing the whites out through policies such as AA, BEE, BEEE etc. Look it up and tell how democratic this is. Its the reason I am here, because companies can't find qualified people cos they all left because of these policies.

Only 10% of the workforce pay tax and I don't need to spell out who the majority of the 10% are.

SA is heading faster than what most people think towards a Zimbabwe situation.
On the news constantly there is racism towards whites but its ok because apparently a black cannot be racist.

Look up the genocide watch, SA is on level 6 of 8. Level 6 is marginalisation and racial division which is happening. level 7 is extermination, level 8 is denial. Look it up, level 6 as far as i know means SA whites can claim asylum in another country.

Its a lot closer than most think and this SA is worse than apartheid. Their police now go by the same titles as they did in apartheid. Look up the new information bill which the world wide media has condemned.

I rest my point, come live here for a bit and see if your opinion will stay the way it is now.

Alopex

Deleted User wrote: »

You sure about this. i am currently working in SA and the amount of racist and discrimination i have experienced because i am white unreal.

Look at scenes today in central johannesburg, in support of the devil's child Malema. i posted here a couple of months ago about SA, in my 3 years here it is crumbling which is a shame because it a beautiful country.

If any of you think democracy has worked here, then explain to me this.


- Open corruption at all levels, from president to cops, a much different scenario than ireland
- Massive brutal crime, including breaking into houses, then raping the women while the men tied up have to watch and then more than likely be murdered
- People need electric fences to protect them at night, enough said
- Malema is the so called champion of the poor who can build a R16million rand house on R50000 a month wages
- More murders a day than iraq
- Election intimidation, election violance
- Infrastruction falling apart, roads are crumbling, power outages, telkom a complete disaster, massive municipality bills sent out and i mean massive
- Tender irregularities, billions of rand going missing
- The call for nationalisation of mines because all the BEE (Black economic empowerment) companies collapsed leaving all the workers owed millions of rand in wages not paid
- calls for nationalisation, full stop is not democratic and a move towards communism

i hear the argument that ANC has lost support, it hasn't. The only reason the DA gained so much was because loads of ANC supporters boycotted the last elections as a protest to the ANC over service delivery.

Watch the strikes here, they thrash the place.

The ANC is slowly forcing the whites out through policies such as AA, BEE, BEEE etc. Look it up and tell how democratic this is. Its the reason I am here, because companies can't find qualified people cos they all left because of these policies.

Only 10% of the workforce pay tax and I don't need to spell out who the majority of the 10% are.

SA is heading faster than what most people think towards a Zimbabwe situation.
On the news constantly there is racism towards whites but its ok because apparently a black cannot be racist.

Look up the genocide watch, SA is on level 6 of 8. Level 6 is marginalisation and racial division which is happening. level 7 is extermination, level 8 is denial. Look it up, level 6 as far as i know means SA whites can claim asylum in another country.

Its a lot closer than most think and this SA is worse than apartheid. Their police now go by the same titles as they did in apartheid. Look up the new information bill which the world wide media has condemned.

I rest my point, come live here for a bit and see if your opinion will stay the way it is now.

This is why unionists have historically feared a united Ireland. DeValera would have allowed the same happen to Protestants