At this stage Modric should never wear the shirt again.

Pacing Mule

All this talk about him "being a great lad in the dressing room" etc is absolute bollox. Today he asks Harry not to play him :mad: I don't care if it's a tactic advised by an agent, if his head is turned etc - At this point he doesn't deserve to wear the shirt and should be either offloaded to chelski or made sit in the reserves. He should never wear the shirt again.

BERBA

Flog him to anyone but chelski imo.....just to piss them off , they should be done for tappin him up

Shammy

Could also be a tactic by Harry to sell him

keane=cock

i would not be disappointed to see him leave now. spoilt childish tactics.

Morgans

If he is on 45,000 or 50,000 a week, then he has every right to leave. As disgusting as it is, if Chelsea want to treble his wages, then he has every right to leave. If Spurs want to keep world class players at the club, they need to pay them. If they want to declare to everyone that they have world class players and are no longer a selling club, they need to pay those players the going rate and finally if Levy wants to sacrifice the start of the season for the 5-10m extra transfer fee, that's his decision.

Pacing Mule

Morgans wrote: »

If he is on 45,000 or 50,000 a week, then he has every right to leave. As disgusting as it is, if Chelsea want to treble his wages, then he has every right to leave. If Spurs want to keep world class players at the club, they need to pay them. If they want to declare to everyone that they have world class players and are no longer a selling club, they need to pay those players the going rate and finally if Levy wants to sacrifice the start of the season for the 5-10m extra transfer fee, that's his decision.

He has no right to leave if he signed a contract stating that he would work for those figures for the next x years. Furthermore as a "professional" he should not be refusing to play / asking not to play as that is the job he signed up and contracted himself to do. :mad:

Morgans

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

He has no right to leave if he signed a contract stating that he would work for those figures for the next x years. Furthermore as a "professional" he should not be refusing to play / asking not to play as that is the job he signed up and contracted himself to do. :mad:

Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not how it works in the real world. Clubs, like Spurs, can have a very cavalier attitude to contracts when it suits them. You have to suck it up and deal with it. Levy knew what was coming and yet there has been no replacement for Luka yet.

Deep Thought

According To Sky, Modric asked to be left out on yesterdays game

Why

Get you arse out there amd earn you wages

IMHO....we should now sell him and show just how greedy , fickle and un caring professional he really is

:mad:

Dave11

Yet another ridiuculos transfer saga!! Getting absolutely sick of these sagas. . Will he.... won't he???

Luka Modric..... Only last year you were delighted to put pen to paper on a six year deal and commit your future to the club! Exactly how fickle are you mate that within a few months your looking to jump ship. I know the though of triple wages is turning your head but where is your loyalty to the club who plucked you out of eartern europe and brought you to England taking a £16.5 million risk! Who cares if we turn you into a £40 million pound sale.... Your a disgrace and should be embarrassed by your behaviour!

Daniel Levy...... You really do like the the dramatic's don't you? Why is it that most big clubs like Liverpool, Man U, Man City have all there summer signings done and there players are well settled into there squad and are playing a team from day one.... Once again were linked with buying and selling every player out there and no one knows who staying or going from our squad... Do you not realise how much this disturbs pre-season and start of season!!! Get your act together......

Harry Redknapp..... You need to grow some balls and tell Mr Levy the above or after five/six games when were struggling to get form and results people are gonna blame you mate!!

Glebee

Not liking the way Harry told the media about it either. Surely this stuff should be kept in the dressing room. Something fishy about that...

Pacing Mule

Morgans wrote: »

Yeah. Unfortunately, that's not how it works in the real world. Clubs, like Spurs, can have a very cavalier attitude to contracts when it suits them. You have to suck it up and deal with it. Levy knew what was coming and yet there has been no replacement for Luka yet.

Just because it doesn't in practice work that way does not mean by default he has "every right to leave" as you said. He has no rights at all.

Morgans

Sorry, he and his agent have every right to entertain other offers, and it is completely understanable why he wants to leave. It is also completely understandable why he doesnt want to get injured before the big move. I think the reaction to Modric's actions from Spurs fans is very poor. Everyone knew he was the heart of the team last year, and he is on 45,000. Sure how silly is that. He has been underpaid at Spurs for years and talked about rightly as being a world class player. Keep him happy. He owes Spurs nothing.

Levy has every right not to accept other offers, but he is jeopardising the start of the season for Spurs, again. Harry is trying to shift the blame for a tactical disaster that was yesterday, and is trying to make Levy's mind up by telling him to sell more or less.

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

He has been underpaid at Spurs for years

Think about that statement, do you really think it's true ? How much was he earning at Zagreb before he came to Spurs, do you really think he has been underpaid ?

Morgans

This thread is really depressing me.

Robbie Keane was on 1.5 times his wages.

Spurs fans deciding that 45,000 isnt below par for Modric. If Samir Nasri is on 180,000....and was on 75,000.

Its not about Zagreb, its about how Spurs got a bargain, and have decided to pay him relative peanuts - relative to players of his ability at other clubs - rather than double his wages to the max that Levy would allow. If the club came out and said we have given Luka everything that we can give a player, given our resources, then fair enough.

But no, Levy would prefer to penny pinch, keep the best player on the team to his contract with below average pay, and then bitch and whine to the press and whoever will listen when someone realises that his head could be easily turned by tripling his wages. Its not about what Zagreb would pay for him now, its about what Chelsea or United would pay for him. He is a world class player, getting paid less by Spurs than David Bentley. That;s what Spurs thinks of him, despute the bleating in the press.

Not only that, Levy comes out and turns it into an ego battle, and decides not for the first time to disrupt pre-season. Harry is covering himself in glory either, but that's a differnt story.

Modric on 45,000 - not underpaid - utter nonsense. If he was top earner at Spurs fair enough, he isnt even close. Subsiding the wages of Bentley, Hutton, Pav, with his performances week in week out.

Pacing Mule

Morgans wrote: »

Sorry, he and his agent have every right to entertain other offers, and it is completely understanable why he wants to leave. It is also completely understandable why he doesnt want to get injured before the big move. I think the reaction to Modric's actions from Spurs fans is very poor. Everyone knew he was the heart of the team last year, and he is on 45,000. Sure how silly is that. He has been underpaid at Spurs for years and talked about rightly as being a world class player. Keep him happy. He owes Spurs nothing.

Levy has every right not to accept other offers, but he is jeopardising the start of the season for Spurs, again. Harry is trying to shift the blame for a tactical disaster that was yesterday, and is trying to make Levy's mind up by telling him to sell more or less.

All of the above is different than your original statement that he has "every right to leave" He doesn't plain and simple.

Yes he has a right to entertain other offers (although ideally they should only be for after his current contract expires) If the club he is contracted to play for agree terms with another club he has every right to discuss personal terms and consider offers etc. Levy has every right not to accept any offer that comes in.

Other than that Modric has the right to be paid for his services to the club according to the contract and agreed payment terms he signed up to as long as he performs his duties. He of course has the right to ask for those terms to be renegotiated but Levy again has the right to refuse. Levy / Spurs have the right to expect their contracted employee to perform the duties that contract requires.

Modric does not have the right to leave because he has a better offer elsewhere.

Morgans

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

All of the above is different than your original statement that he has "every right to leave" He doesn't plain and simple.

Yes he has a right to entertain other offers (although ideally they should only be for after his current contract expires) If the club he is contracted to play for agree terms with another club he has every right to discuss personal terms and consider offers etc. Levy has every right not to accept any offer that comes in.

Other than that Modric has the right to be paid for his services to the club according to the contract and agreed payment terms he signed up to as long as he performs his duties. He of course has the right to ask for those terms to be renegotiated but Levy again has the right to refuse. Levy / Spurs have the right to expect their contracted employee to perform the duties that contract requires.

Modric does not have the right to leave because he has a better offer elsewhere.

Sorry I didnt realise we had to be so pedantic. Every right to leave was short hand for the longer version above. I dont think Levy has treated him at all fairly. Luka says he had an agreement that if a club came in with a big bid that he would be allowed to leave. But to satisy you, it should have been written into his contract.

So, because he has a contract, he has no right to leave. Football as passed you by. The clubs do not own the players even if they are under contract, and clubs treat contracts with as much disdain as players do when it suits them. Spurs have done it, just like everyone else.

But yeah, keep at me for saying that he has "every right to leave" in an attempt to win an internet arguement despite losing the whole point re Modric.

Only idiotic fans will forget what Modric did for Spurs over the last two years and if there is someone out there willing to treble his wages while Spurs want to hold him to a contract that they never will be able to, fine. He has every right to agitate to leave. Chelsea know this, and Levy should know this. He deserves far better treatment from spurs fans than this thread suggests.

Save your bile for the likes of Bently who wont take a pay cut to get their career back on track. I dont see what keeping Modric in the reserves like Bentley achieves.

marty2002

Im pissed off at all Redknapps gubbing tbh, as for Modric, let him go, if his heart isnt in it anymore then we should cash in.

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

This thread is really depressing me.

Robbie Keane was on 1.5 times his wages.

Spurs fans deciding that 45,000 isnt below par for Modric. If Samir Nasri is on 180,000....and was on 75,000.

Its not about Zagreb, its about how Spurs got a bargain, and have decided to pay him relative peanuts - relative to players of his ability at other clubs - rather than double his wages to the max that Levy would allow. If the club came out and said we have given Luka everything that we can give a player, given our resources, then fair enough.

But no, Levy would prefer to penny pinch, keep the best player on the team to his contract with below average pay, and then bitch and whine to the press and whoever will listen when someone realises that his head could be easily turned by tripling his wages. Its not about what Zagreb would pay for him now, its about what Chelsea or United would pay for him. He is a world class player, getting paid less by Spurs than David Bentley. That;s what Spurs thinks of him, despute the bleating in the press.

Not only that, Levy comes out and turns it into an ego battle, and decides not for the first time to disrupt pre-season. Harry is covering himself in glory either, but that's a differnt story.

Modric on 45,000 - not underpaid - utter nonsense. If he was top earner at Spurs fair enough, he isnt even close. Subsiding the wages of Bentley, Hutton, Pav, with his performances week in week out.

My argument is that you reckon Modric has been underpaid at Spurs for Years, I disagree. Last year was his best season with us imo, so maybe, just maybe, he can say he would like to re-negotiate etc... But to say he has been underpaid for years is silly, you might want to look at your calendar too.

Remember, after his first season, there was plenty of people saying he wasn't able for the PL and though he should move on.

Morgans

Hatch99 wrote: »

My argument is that you reckon Modric has been underpaid at Spurs for Years, I disagree. Last year was his best season with us imo, so maybe, just maybe, he can say he would like to re-negotiate etc... But to say he has been underpaid for years is silly, you might want to look at your calendar too.

Remember, after his first season, there was plenty of people saying he wasn't able for the PL and though he should move on.

Those people who said he should move on were wrong. He improved like a lot of players when Harry took over. Even playing poorly under Ramos, there would have been a host of clubs willing to take him on, especially on those wages. The day Modric announced himself as a player was the Croatia win vs England. Long before Spurs bought him. And yes, he is on 45,000 now after he had renegotiated his contract. I dont know what he renegotiated from. Spurs got a huge bargain there. Well done Levy and Comolli. Modric had been underpaid for years, especially when you consider what Spurs players like Keane etc were on, and especially the talent he had shown before he came to Spurs, and especially marked for the last two seasons.

I cant believe anyone thinks he isnt underpaid at 45,000 a week. Its part of the reason why 10 weeks into the transfer saga, it was broken that he was to be offered an improved deal last week. Only last week were Spurs offering a new deal. Maybe he will earn as much as David Bently if he is lucky.

KingdomYid

Morgans wrote: »

I cant believe anyone thinks he isnt underpaid at 45,000 a week. Its part of the reason why 10 weeks into the transfer saga, it was broken that he was to be offered an improved deal last week. Only last week were Spurs offering a new deal. Maybe he will earn as much as David Bently if he is lucky.

May I ask you, how the hell do you know what wages Modric, Bentley or any other Spurs player for that matter is on???

Morgans

From reading and listening to reports on the club's doings over the years. Its not that difficult. The same way we know that Yaya Toure, Wayne Rooney etc are all on 200,000 plus. Bentley's wages was reported in previous transfer windows when they were trying hard to offload him, but unfortunately no one will take him.

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

I cant believe anyone thinks he isnt underpaid at 45,000 a week.

Maybe, but he hasn't been underpaid for 'years' like you continuously say.

Morgans

Im guessing that he was paid less before his latest contract (2010). 45,000 and even less when he started is peanuts for a player of his ability. Of course he was on a big increase from Zagreb wages. But even when May 2010 that was obvious. Spurs had an opportunity when entering contract negotiations to make him feel wanted and open to the advances of the big teams. Instead they may have concentrated on Bale who was getting a contract at the same time, and paying the likes of Keane, Bentley, Pav, Gio etc. Spurs havent done anything to try to keep him happy except to say that he is world class and how much Harry loves him. Behind it all making sure they are not paying him as if he was a world class player, and less than several awful Spurs players.

BERBA

Morgans wrote: »

Im guessing that he was paid less before his latest contract (2010). 45,000 and even less when he started is peanuts for a player of his ability. Of course he was on a big increase from Zagreb wages. But even when May 2010 that was obvious. Spurs had an opportunity when entering contract negotiations to make him feel wanted and open to the advances of the big teams. Instead they may have concentrated on Bale who was getting a contract at the same time, and paying the likes of Keane, Bentley, Pav, Gio etc. Spurs havent done anything to try to keep him happy except to say that he is world class and how much Harry loves him. Behind it all making sure they are not paying him as if he was a world class player, and less than several awful Spurs players.

Modric was the one who signed his 6 year contract almost 1 year ago

Why didnt he negotiate a better deal for himself? seemed happy signing it:rolleyes:

Morgans

Rolleyes. This is what you do to argue a point?

According to Modric he was given a promise by Levy that if a big offer came in from a bigger club that he would be allowed to leave. Up to a few weeks ago, he was a pleasure to work with according to Harry and sounded like a very honest lad. Meanwhile, he played one of the best seasons from any Spurs player I can remember.

I doubt Modric was negotiating his own deals. I'm sure it was his agents. The same agents who Harry claims is badly advising him now.

BERBA

Morgans wrote: »

Rolleyes. This is what you do to argue a point?

According to Modric he was given a promise by Levy that if a big offer came in from a bigger club that he would be allowed to leave. Up to a few weeks ago, he was a pleasure to work with according to Harry and sounded like a very honest lad. Meanwhile, he played one of the best seasons from any Spurs player I can remember.

I doubt Modric was negotiating his own deals. I'm sure it was his agents. The same agents who Harry claims is badly advising him now.

don't believe everything you read in papers!

agent: Luka they have offered a 6 year contract on £x000 per week , are you happy to sign this ?

Luka: Yes i am.

Thats what happened.

Greed thats what happened to our luka.

Morgans

BERBA wrote: »

don't believe everything you read in papers!

agent: Luka they have offered a 6 year contract on £x000 per week , are you happy to sign this ?

Luka: Yes i am.

Thats what happened.

Greed thats what happened to our luka.

Disappointing immature attitude from Spurs fans. I suppose its wrong to judge from a handful on the internet.

He wasn't greedy last year but is now apparently.

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

Spurs had an opportunity when entering contract negotiations to make him feel wanted .

Did he not feel wanted when he signed the new contract not too long ago ? If not, why did he sign it ?

BERBA

Morgans wrote: »

Disappointing immature attitude from Spurs fans. I suppose its wrong to judge from a handful on the internet.

He wasn't greedy last year but is now apparently.

so you think he's not being greedy?

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

Disappointing immature attitude from Spurs fans. I suppose its wrong to judge from a handful on the internet.

He wasn't greedy last year but is now apparently.

It's called people having different opinions. If giving an opinion is being immature, well i might aswell never post again so. And if this 'handful' is not good enough for you, you know what to do...

Morgans

Hatch99 wrote: »

Did he not feel wanted when he signed the new contract not too long ago ? If not, why did he sign it ?

He signed it Im sure because Spurs were in the champions league and that is where he belonged. If Spurs qualified for the champions league last year, this might not be a conversation again, but its not hard to see why he wants to play in it again. He is one of the best players in Europe not playing in it.

This idea that players are off limits because they are on contracts is ridiculous and players shouldnt have their head turned by huge improvements of their salaries. And yes, he had every chance to turn down the contract, and Spurs couldnt believe their stars when they got him at such a salary. No wonder they wanted him tied to it for 6 years.

I cant believe he is being labelled greedy when there are at least 5 or 6 players who could be playing week in week out but decide to take their huge wages from Spurs and sit on their arse. Something one poster on here advises for Modric.

Its a disappointingly predictable reaction. Spurs can do no wrong and the player is completely wrong.

Morgans

Hatch99 wrote: »

It's called people having different opinions. If giving an opinion is being immature, well i might aswell never post again so. And if this 'handful' is not good enough for you, you know what to do...

Im sorry for trying to point out how silly the anti-Modric brigade are and hopefully someone might see sense from my posts.

If not, that's fine. Continue to boo the man. They way he is being treated is a symptom why Spurs will never be a fixture in the champions league.

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

He signed it Im sure because Spurs were in the champions league and that is where he belonged. If Spurs qualified for the champions league last year, this might not be a conversation again, but its not hard to see why he wants to play in it again. He is one of the best players in Europe not playing in it.

This idea that players are off limits because they are on contracts is ridiculous and players shouldnt have their head turned by huge improvements of their salaries. And yes, he had every chance to turn down the contract, and Spurs couldnt believe their stars when they got him at such a salary. No wonder they wanted him tied to it for 6 years.

I cant believe he is being labelled greedy when there are at least 5 or 6 players who could be playing week in week out but decide to take their huge wages from Spurs and sit on their arse. Something one poster on here advises for Modric.

Its a disappointingly predictable reaction. Spurs can do no wrong and the player is completely wrong.

I never said he was off limits, no player is off limits. The Bentleys of this world are a cancer of our club, but every club has them...

Another thing, I never labelled him greedy.

BERBA

Morgans wrote: »

They way he is being treated is a symptom why Spurs will never be a fixture in the champions league.

Absolute rubbish , talking through your ......

Hatch99

Morgans wrote: »

Im sorry for trying to point out how silly the anti-Modric brigade are and hopefully someone might see sense from my posts.

If not, that's fine. Continue to boo the man. They way he is being treated is a symptom why Spurs will never be a fixture in the champions league.

Dont apologise, it's your opinion, i have no issue with that, just because some disagree doesn't make them wrong.

Morgans

BERBA wrote: »

so you think he's not being greedy?

No.

If Spurs had done eveything possible to keep him at the club - made him the top earner for instance - had Levy treated him with some respect instead of having a big dick competition with him when he returned from his holidays.

Then yes, if money was the only thing, he could be called greedy.

However, they havent tried to keep him by asking what he wanted and doing their best to facilitate it. They have tried to hold him prisoner to his contract.

Its not just money, its a better club playing champions league, willing to pay him the wages of a world class player. Its the difference of playing Real Madrid, Inter Milan, and AC Milan last year and Shamrock Rovers this year.

Morgans

Hatch99 wrote: »

Dont apologise, it's your opinion, i have no issue with that, just because some disagree doesn't make them wrong.

Doesn't necessarily make them wrong. They can be wrong alright.

Leinstersqspur

Morgans wrote: »

had Levy treated him with some respect instead of having a big dick competition with him when he returned from his holidays.
Then yes, if money was the only thing, he could be called greedy.
However, they havent tried to keep him by asking what he wanted and doing their best to facilitate it. They have tried to hold him prisoner to his contract.

This is the same guy that said the following when signing his 6yr contract: "Tottenham Hotspur gave me my chance in the Premier League and I want to go on to achieve great success here with them. Yes, there have been enquiries from other big clubs, but I have no interest in going anywhere. Last season's top-four finish was an indication of where we are as a Club and I feel I can continue to improve and go on to achieve everything I want to at Spurs.

So then we fall back one season and the boy suddenly has an interest in going somewhere else! We gave the boy his chance in the EPL, Wenger and SAF both considered him too small for the EPL... Levy took a £16.5m gamble where others wouldn't, he could of turned out to be the next Rebrov!

golfball37

Why didn't Spurs offer Modric a massive pay rise when this story broke ages ago?

Why hasn't he still been offered one? Nobody can deny he is well deserving of earning more than some of the wasters he was on less than.

If your asking me whose version of events I'd believe, I'd take Luka's word over Daniel Levy's everytime.

mickman

what happened with rooney threw a strop? huge contract increase and look at his form now. best of his career

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

mickman wrote: »

what happened with rooney threw a strop? huge contract increase and look at his form now. best of his career

5 months later though! He was useless for large parts of last season. He only really had a good end to the season.

Morgans

I don't think that it follows that you give players loads of money and they will play well. Need David Bentley be mentioned again. What was definite was that Rooney was a top class player that was wanted by other clubs, who were willing to pay him a wage that he believed he was worth.

I think Ferguson tried to force a stand off with him with the press conferences etc when the story broke. Not unlike Levy really. Eventually United gave in, paid him and ended up winning the title. THey understood that if they wanted to play with the big boys, they have to pay like the big boys.

You need to treat your best players well. You have to be aware that City and Chelsea will try to prize them away. United, as Rooney showed, are not immune to this threat. Signing players up to long contracts is not about keeping players at the club; that wont happen. Its about ensuring there will be a large transfer fee when they inevitably leave. Spurs want to play with the big boys, just not pay what the big boys pay. A large part being those on the biggest contracts dont deserve them.

Kiith

mickman wrote: »

what happened with rooney threw a strop? huge contract increase and look at his form now. best of his career

It's not exactly the kind of behavious we want to encourage though. The Rooney saga showed exactly what is wrong with the Premier League at the moment.

Kiith

Morgans wrote: »

Eventually United gave in, paid him and ended up winning the title. THey understood that if they wanted to play with the big boys, they have to pay like the big boys.

They didn't win the title because they paid him. They won the title because the rest of the players stepped up and filled the role that rooney used to fill. He was **** for the vast majority of the season.

Morgans

That's true. He was ****e from Bayern Munich last March, through the world cup. The point is that Form is temporary, class permanent. He still helped win the title, and scored the iconic goal from last year. Its funny how the bad publicity in the press (smoking, pissing while on nights out) have stopped now that the contract negotiations have been resolved.

I think Rooney was left with no option to do things the way he did by united last year, who didnt want to pay him and decided to take the transfer negotiations public to shame into a climbdown.

And that Modric has conducted himself far better this summer. The stories to the press are coming from harry who I think wants to have a decision made somewhere, and Levy trying to prove his power.

Morgans

Harry confirms that Luka is staying. If Levy doesn't use the opportunity to do his best to get things right, the same thing will happen again in January and next summer.

Kiith

Yeah, it's really in our hands now. If the team can move on and make a serious push for a Champions League spot, and we give him some more money, then we'll hopefully keep him. One thing i know for sure, i don't want a January transfer window dedicated to Modric.

staker

Kiith wrote: »

Yeah, it's really in our hands now. If the team can move on and make a serious push for a Europa League spot, and we give him some more money, then we'll hopefully keep him. One thing i know for sure, i don't want a January transfer window dedicated to Modric.

I think that's our best hope realistically.
Agree with you though,but remember how Berbatov sulked his way around when he didn't get his transfer...I'd sooner he was sold today,cash in while it's there.
That's assuming Parker has signed.

Kiith

I never said it was a realistic push, but Champions League is where we have to aim for.

Also, I don't think Modric will do a Berbatov to be honest. The move isn't going to happen now, so he'll keep his head down and play as best as he can. Berbatov had always been a sulker. He was quality at times, but had a bad attitude from time to time. Modric (hopefully) isn't like that.

Sugarlumps

The Modric saga will rear its ugly head at every transfer season, until his wish is granted. 40 million and he’s yours, any offer below that figure is derogatory. Why didn’t Tottenham put in a buyout clause in his contract, it would of put a stop to any cheeky bids being placed?

Morgans

Sugarlumps wrote: »

The Modric saga will rear its ugly head at every transfer season, until his wish is granted. 40 million and he’s yours, any offer below that figure is derogatory. Why didn’t Tottenham put in a buyout clause in his contract, it would of put a stop to any cheeky bids being placed?

That's a fair point. Modric will be one of the best players not to be CL cup tied in January. Its always tempting for those involved.