The Luas crush?

caseyann

I am just after seeing this site that apparently people are invited to post pictures of random people they fancy on luas or buses etc..
How would you feel if you found your picture there? Would you find it invasion of privacy or not care?

I think its funny.But is it slightly creepy aswell lol

They are undergoing legal situation for this site at the moment.
While we are working on some legal issues, some photos have been removed and will be back up as soon as we get the go-ahead from our solicitors.





Would you take a photo of someone you fancy and post it?

http://www.luascrush.com/

p.s i hope its ok in here as i wasn't sure if this thread was suitable to got here.If you think you have better place mods please feel free to move it.

RedXIV

Don't think I'd be able to take a picture of someone subtly enough to do this but have to say, i'd be rightly chuffed to see my pic up there

I'll be on the luas 12pm saturday if anyone wants pics

Cottontail

If I saw my pic up there I'd be completely freaked out because I live in Leitrim! Maybe I can be in two places at the time

caseyann

RedXIV wrote: »

Don't think I'd be able to take a picture of someone subtly enough to do this but have to say, i'd be rightly chuffed to see my pic up there

I'll be on the luas 12pm saturday if anyone wants pics

It would be funny to see all Irish start to take out their phones and cameras and start taking pictures of those they fancy.:D

You have to tell them what line you are on

caseyann

Cottontail wrote: »

If I saw my pic up there I'd be completely freaked out because I live in Leitrim! Maybe I can be in two places at the time

Well i guess it can be all over the country and just post it there.:p

tallaghtmick

Might sound stupid but I cant see any images on it?

Sonics2k

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Might sound stupid but I cant see any images on it?

Looks like they've been taking down while they sort out the legal stuff.

caseyann

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Might sound stupid but I cant see any images on it?

Yeah only the top ones on the page can be seen as of now.

Sonics2k wrote: »

Looks like they've been taking down while they sort out the legal stuff.

Would you say someone sued?

Sonics2k

caseyann wrote: »

Yeah only the top ones on the page can be seen as of now.



Would you say someone sued?

Honestly in Ireland it wouldn't surprise me if someone tried to make a claim against them.

Honestly sites like this are pretty harmless, but people will always be offended by little things.

Earthhorse

I choo-choo-stalk you.

phasers

If I saw a stranger taking a photo of me on the Luas I'd go over and demand they delete it

lace

I don't think it would bother me to see myself up there but I would find it a little strange that someone went through the trouble to take the picture and upload it. It would possibly make me a little paranoid.

I can see this eventually turning into a bit of a joke and getting a bit mean - though it might be a nice confidence boost for some people.

I know it's all a bit of harmless fun - but I do wonder about the legality of it all? I would have presumed that as long as people in the pictures are over 18 they're "fair game"? I've seen myself in the newspaper before without having given permission for the photographs to be printed so I'm presuming it's okay for photos to be published to the site as long as they are taken down if requested? Is that how it works?

I don't know about a site like that, what happens when some thick ignoramus takes a photo of a fat girl and put it up for a ' laugh' and before someone says it wouldn't happen just look at boards and what can happen ( I love boards though )

sam34

Sonics2k wrote: »

Honestly in Ireland it wouldn't surprise me if someone tried to make a claim against them.

Honestly sites like this are pretty harmless, but people will always be offended by little things.

I don't think that having a randomer take my photo and post in online on a site designed for others to gawk at/comment/drool over without my knowledge or consent is a "little thing". I'd be pretty
angry and uncomfortable, particularly knowing that the person could well be someone on my daily commute.

Morgase

I'd find it extremely creepy to be honest.

It's one thing to maybe have an admiring glance for a second or two; quite another to go to the bother of taking a photo whilst making sure that the "subject" remains unaware, and then post it on a particular site. Ugh.

ted1

There is only three pictures on these site, they were talking about it on the radio, i honestly don't think a non site like this needs s debate on radio or here...

Sonics2k

sam34 wrote: »

I don't think that having a randomer take my photo and post in online on a site designed for others to gawk at/comment/drool over without my knowledge or consent is a "little thing". I'd be pretty
angry and uncomfortable, particularly knowing that the person could well be someone on my daily commute.

Fair point of view really.

I suppose I should re-phrase it.
I personally wouldn't mind if someone put me on a site like this (in fact it's happened in the past with a few bars/clubs) and I really didn't care.
But then, I never really cared about the opinions of strangers and what they may think/say about a picture on the internet.

But that's not to say I think everyone should think the same, I do know a few people who would not like to have their picture on a site like that.

sam34

Sonics2k wrote: »

Fair point of view really.

I suppose I should re-phrase it.
I personally wouldn't mind if someone put me on a site like this (in fact it's happened in the past with a few bars/clubs) and I really didn't care.
But then, I never really cared about the opinions of strangers and what they may think/say about a picture on the internet.

But that's not to say I think everyone should think the same, I do know a few people who would not like to have their picture on a site like that.

promotional pics for a bar/club are one thing. but covertly taking photos to post on a site that presumably invites comments on appearance are another thing entirely.

I'd hate to be sitting on the luas wondering who was the a**hole that had done that.

it's creepy.

Atychiphobia

Well I'm twenty but look about fifteen, so I highly doubt I'll ever see my picture up there anyway I kind of like the idea of the site however.

caseyann

mariaalice wrote: »

I don't know about a site like that, what happens when some thick ignoramus takes a photo of a fat girl and put it up for a ' laugh' and before someone says it wouldn't happen just look at boards and what can happen ( I love boards though )

If people could make nasty comments about said girl or guy then it would be a problem,yes.
But if they can not make comments about said people and just have a look at the pictures people are posting no harm.
And perhaps said guy or girl happens to fancy said larger girl or guy (as people arent all into same types)

sam34

caseyann wrote: »

If people could make nasty comments about said girl or guy then it would be a problem,yes.
But if they can not make comments about said people and just have a look at the pictures people are posting no harm.

no harm?

what if, like me, people simply do not want their photo posted online on a site designed for others to drool over?

it's one thing to be snapped in a crowd at a match or a concert or other public event where you can reasonably expect photographers to be and where the focus is on the crowd and atmosphere rather than on the attractiveness of one particular unsuspecting individual.

covertly taking a persons photo and posting it online for people to leer at is disgusting.

caseyann

sam34 wrote: »

no harm?

what if, like me, people simply do not want their photo posted online on a site designed for others to drool over?

it's one thing to be snapped in a crowd at a match or a concert or other public event where you can reasonably expect photographers to be and where the focus is on the crowd and atmosphere rather than on the attractiveness of one particular unsuspecting individual.

covertly taking a persons photo and posting it online for people to leer at is disgusting.

Well then you can perhaps check you are there and get it removed.No harm.

You seem pretty sure your photo would end up there :P

gargleblaster

I'd consider that an invasion of privacy. Publishing pictures without the consent of the person pictured seems pretty obviously unethical.

And IMO no one should bear the burden of having to go check such a site to ensure they're not on it. It makes more sense to ask permission before publishing than expecting people to police the site for their picture.

vicecreamsundae

street photographers take photos of people and put them online all the time without their permission. sometimes without the person noticing, sometimes despite the person demanding they delete it. the fact it, if you're in a public place, anyone has the right to photograph you. you don't OWN your image -hundreds of people see you everyday without your 'permission'.

on transit may be different. I know in many cities, photography on buses and trains is prohibited, not sure what the story is with the luas there.

i can see why people don't like the idea of their photo being posted online though.

the site does kind of make me think of an opposite to ihollaback.org (an awesome site where you can report street harrassment, and if you're quick enough with your phone, post a photo of the culprit)

Valentina

I think the site is really creepy. I hate having my photo taken by people I know so I would probably go flipping mental if I saw a stranger trying to take a photo of me. I wouldn't want my photo on there for people to judge how (un)attractive I am (which is what a lot of people will do.)

gargleblaster

vicecreamsundae wrote: »

street photographers take photos of people and put them online all the time without their permission. sometimes without the person noticing, sometimes despite the person demanding they delete it. the fact it, if you're in a public place, anyone has the right to photograph you. you don't OWN your image -hundreds of people see you everyday without your 'permission'.

on transit may be different. I know in many cities, photography on buses and trains is prohibited, not sure what the story is with the luas there.

i can see why people don't like the idea of their photo being posted online though.

the site does kind of make me think of an opposite to ihollaback.org (an awesome site where you can report street harrassment, and if you're quick enough with your phone, post a photo of the culprit)

It's true that there's a divide between ethical behavior and legally allowed behavior, however despite the fact that street photographers have the ability to photograph people and publish their pictures without consent - most will not do so if there is only one subject in the picture without attempting to get some kind of consent. For pictures of groups of people this is of course logistically not feasible, but if there is only one subject in the picture then it's not unreasonable to expect some common courtesy.

Or then again, I suppose these days it actually is, hence places having to ban cameras and photography altogether, simply because a few people refuse to behave in an ethcial and considerate manner.

sam34

caseyann wrote: »

You seem pretty sure your photo would end up there :P

au contraire, I doubt random strangers would be lusting after me.

but in any event, thankfully, I don't live in Dublin and on the infrequent occasions I go there I rarely get the Luas.

it's the whole concept of this site that rankles with me.

Eviledna

This is a blatant invasion of privacy and the Data protection commissioner would/should have a field day with it.

It amazes me how little value people put on the privacy of their personal image these days. I cannot fathom how anyone could feel ok with a stranger unknowingly taking your picture and putting it on public display to be reviewed. Sure, if you are pleased with yourself you may indeed imagine all of the positive commentary to follow, but I ask, would you feel the same if someone put the same picture on a huge billboard in O'Connell St for review?

Social media has brainwashed us into disregarding the value of our identity, and despite the many scare-stories of facebook-gone-terk-my-jerrrb, many still avidly publicly post their exploits. In real life you would never show all of your boss, ex-lover and close family the same drunken falling over pic, yet on the likes of FB the abstraction of context seems to remove that barrier. If it was enforced that we could see the reaction/facial expression (:eek:/:rolleyes:) of every "friend" perusing our albums, would we be so flippant?

The fact is thankfully there are laws against this kind of stuff. It's one thing when people do it to themselves, but it's plain wrong to have your quotidian commute image subject to public commentary. I'm glad to see the site is down and I hope they got a slap on the wrist for being so unethical.

Eviledna

vicecreamsundae wrote: »

You don't OWN your image -hundreds of people see you everyday without your 'permission'.

That's not entirely accurate. In the context of Irish law, recognisable images taken are considered "personal data" and are as such subject to the Data Protection Acts, which require that the capturer of the image, be it CCTV or other, can justify a need to collect the data and that it is "adequate, relevant and not excessive" for the purpose for which it is collected.

On the luas, CCTV could be justified for security, but must notify all those within the radius with CCTV notices. Taking photos to compare the relative hotness of passengers is not justified and is excessive. Even if it were justified the organisers of this website and their submitting users would have to declare their identity and keep the data only for as long as needed. None of which it could/would meet.

Professional photographers can take images of public places and not seek permisson as they stand behind their work, identify themselves and use the work in an appropriate context. But a recognisable image is still subject to Data protection.

Buceph

That's all well and good Edna, but it's never been tested, especially with anyone using "Art" or "editorial" as a defense. Art and editorial usage even have commercial exemptions from model rights. What's definable as art can be debated, but basically if you're not using it as a mass market poster and working off single or hand produced prints then you'll be fine. Or if you're using something that has newsworthy properties

I'd say the problem this site will run into is if they make money off of it, and it can serve no bigger purpose beyond having a gawk at people. But there's tonnes of photographers who have made their living from photographing people without their permission and even refusing to delete pictures. It's what the picture ends up as being used for that's the problem, not the act of taking the picture.

Valentina

When your photo is put in the internet you have no control over how it is used or where it will end up. That's very worrying to me.

hatful

It's all well and good in London where you can sink into obscurity but in Dublin where practically anywhere you go it's possible to make some kind of link to someone who knows someone who you worked with, grew up with went to school with. It's creepy.

Da Shins Kelly

The idea of it may seem harmless in theory, and some may find it flattering, but I think if it was me, I'd be made to feel extremely uncomfortable by someone taking a picture of me on public transport, not knowing what their intentions with the picture were.

ceadaoin.

I'm pretty sure that a guy was taking a picture of me once on the tube. It really freaked me out and made me feel very uncomfortable. I didn't know what to say though, if he wasn't then I would look pretty stupid. So I just moved seats. I would hate to think of a pic of me being online somewhere without my knowledge. So yeah, I think it's an invasion of privacy and more than a little bit creepy.

stinkle

Not sure what I think of this - I reckon if the site is allowed back online then all this publicity will encourage more folk to take such pictures. Alternatively, it might end up like FB, with everyone glamming up and doing that silly duck face, just in case yer man over there is partial to taking sly pics

I get the Red line a lot, can't imagine my mug would make it onto the site though, I usually have a disgusted expression on my face thanks to all the gross and annoying goings-on :pac: Might make for a more amusing site if peoples' reactions to the sights (and smells!) were posted.

pow wow

I prefer the Craiglist approach in the US, the missed connections listing is like a dating ads section except you already know who you're looking for (guy reading War & Peace on the 8.05, girl with the red bag standing at x station etc.). I think the photos aspect goes too far though. I wouldn't take someone's photo to put up there and I wouldn't respond to anyone who put mine up either!

WeeBushy

pow wow wrote: »

I prefer the Craiglist approach in the US, the missed connections listing is like a dating ads section except you already know who you're looking for (guy reading War & Peace on the 8.05, girl with the red bag standing at x station etc.). I think the photos aspect goes too far though. I wouldn't take someone's photo to put up there and I wouldn't respond to anyone who put mine up either!

They have a similar thing in Toronto called a 'shout out' where you write a letter into the paper (like the metro) with a description of the person you like with a little message, or it can be about anything really. I think that's cute, but pictures is taking it too far imo.

Here's an example of what they have: http://www.newspaperinnovation.com/index.php/2011/05/02/torontos-shout-out/

Maple

I think that site is hugely creepy. I'd be horrendified to think of some randomer taking my pic and posting it up without my permission.

When I've been to gigs/clubs etc, I've always been asked if they can take my photo and that's fine once I give consent.

I do love the shout-out letters in the Metro tho, think that's really cute.