Red Arrows - GAAW

scholar007

Page 26 of the Galway Indo today (24/08/2011)

Red Arrows should not be invited to city - GAAW

Quoting the piece in the paper today the GAAW (whoever they are) warned that public aerial displays by military aircraft are an accident waiting to happen after the death of the Red Arrows pilot (RIP) in the UK recently.

Yes - Flying fast jets is not for the faint hearted. But these guys and girls are the best of the best.

I hope they are back in the sky soon and even better still flying over Galway Bay!

beardybrewer

scholar007 wrote: »

Red Arrows should not be invited to city - GAAW

biko

People have strong feelings about this but please try to keep it civil.

inisboffin

In fairness, I'd take an Ocean race over airshow. Pretty high incidence of accidents happening. Pretty shocked to read the article about Todd Green's death too. He was also one of the top people in his game.

samdeman

is anyone else just sick to the teeth of these people? please add a thanks to this post if you are so we can see how many people feel the same. maybe we can start a counter group called "galway alliance against the GAAW"

Capt Blackadder

The Galway Alliance Against anything Whatever are your typical rent a cause type. They see anti, they'll be out. Anti-hystamine, and they'll be out with banners.


With regards to counter groups, I wouldn't bother. It'd give them another cause to break out the video cameras to film the oppression of their cause and members.

And if any member is reading this, tell that muppet amongst your number/affiliated group to return that piece of army uniform he swans around in to the gardai. You don't deserve to wear it, and it's illegal for you to do so. I have seen you at Lynches castle at one of those joint rallies condemning Israel, while at the same time petitioning for the release of convicted murderers who happen to be IRA terrorists.

biko

samdeman wrote: »

maybe we can start a counter group called "galway alliance against the GAAW"

I think you'll find reading through old GAAW threads here such a group already exist

Sponge Bob

any chance the mods can merge this with the recent Cults thread ???

Blazer

bunch of good for nothing layabouts..more in their line to get a job and actually contribute to society..

biko

Actually, I hereby invite GAAW (again, think I've done it before) to respond in this thread or another. I promise they will get their voice heard.

Maybe we could get a dialogue going?

Discodog

inisboffin wrote: »

In fairness, I'd take an Ocean race over airshow. Pretty high incidence of accidents happening. Pretty shocked to read the article about Todd Green's death too. He was also one of the top people in his game.

Ocean racing is hardly safe. We have just had a major rescue in the Fastnet.

The solution is simple. Arrange a Red Arrows display. The GAAW can persuade people not to support it & democracy will mean that there is a huge crowd on the Prom. The GAAW go on about democracy in the world but don't want it in Galway.

biko

biko wrote: »

samdeman wrote: »

maybe we can start a counter group called "galway alliance against the GAAW"

I think you'll find reading through old GAAW threads here such a group already exist

Ah the GAAGAAW. Eventually i guess we'll have to hold a meeting about that!

dloob

Guess it's been a while since they got in the paper for anything, so may as well exploit the tragic death of the red arrows pilot to get some column inches before they fade into complete irrelevance.

CrowdedHouse

samdeman wrote: »

is anyone else just sick to the teeth of these people?

Naw ...I'm just sick of people starting threads here whinging about GAAW

celty

samdeman wrote: »

is anyone else just sick to the teeth of these people? please add a thanks to this post if you are so we can see how many people feel the same. maybe we can start a counter group called "galway alliance against the GAAW"

Sandeman,

I would agree with GAAW on a lot of issues, such as the use of Shannon Airport in a 'neutral' country to facilitate US troops on their way to carry out wars in invaded countries.

But even I am sick of how they harp on about the Red Arrows and the Salthill Airshow. They got their way, they got it cancelled, it's all over, the Red Arrows aren't coming back. Move on, folks!

Even if the Airshow did seem to glorify war machines in its last few years, it was organised by well-meaning people who brought tourists into the city for an outdoor spectacular (free of charge, too) long before the Volvo Ocean Race.

Some people in Galway are only happy when they complain over and over again about the same things.

celty

When are ye guys in the Galway for War group actually going to hold a meeting? It would be great to go along and see the protesters outside.

Wompa1

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah the GAAGAAW. Eventually i guess we'll have to hold a meeting about that!

Not as easy to hold meetings since most of us would have jobs..ehh.ehhh feeding a stereotype there.

I propose waiting for their next meeting. Think they have them in Richardsons..we can have it The Skeff across the road. What could the proposed agenda be though?

item 1. Continue to allow GAAW to shoot themselves in the foot with their BS statements

mikemac

They only go for the fashionable causes

The Russian navy were off the west coast of Ireland a number of years ago and not a word from GAAW.
But it's easy to attack the warmongering yanks or RAF I suppose

Elohim

celty wrote: »

Sandeman,

Even if the Airshow did seem to glorify war machines in its last few years, it was organised by well-meaning people who brought tourists into the city for an outdoor spectacular (free of charge, too) long before the Volvo Ocean Race.

Nothing wrong with glorifying these machines. They're wonderful feats of engineering and magnificent to watch.
Would ya rather these machines be flying over Galway Bay or bombing somebody half a world away? I say keep these machines flying in Galway all year round!

galwayrush

I hope the Red Arrows are here for next years Volvo Ocean race finale, for me, they were the highlight last time and probably had a bearing on the massive crowds that stretched from the Docks right along to the end of the Prom.
Important note, being able to have the display over the water makes it very safe for spectators.

inisboffin

galwayrush wrote: »

Important note, being able to have the display over the water makes it very safe for spectators.

It is an important note. One reason why I've been a bit meh about airshows in the past, is the risk over big crowds and residential areas. The people on the ground haven't chosen to take a risk. Also some shows in the US have jets 'buzz' farmland and houses too, even days before an event, not fun at ALL for livestock or pets. This doesn't seem to happen here.

Sponge Bob

They buzzed me in their Tight 9 Formation as I was walking out the door of Barna Supervalue with a 99 one year.

Needless to say I ran down the back to see the rest of it

eagle10

GAAW
Goodfornothing a$$h0l@s against work?

inisboffin

Sponge Bob wrote: »

They buzzed me in their Tight 9 Formation as I was walking out the door of Barna Supervalue with a 99 one year.

Needless to say I ran down the back to see the rest of it

Well glad you didn't lose your foal or drop your 99!

hal9000

Miri5

Capt Blackadder wrote: »

The Galway Alliance Against anything Whatever are your typical rent a cause type. They see anti, they'll be out. Anti-hystamine, and they'll be out with banners.


With regards to counter groups, I wouldn't bother. It'd give them another cause to break out the video cameras to film the oppression of their cause and members.

And if any member is reading this, tell that muppet amongst your number/affiliated group to return that piece of army uniform he swans around in to the gardai. You don't deserve to wear it, and it's illegal for you to do so. I have seen you at Lynches castle at one of those joint rallies condemning Israel, while at the same time petitioning for the release of convicted murderers who happen to be IRA terrorists.

Well said, sick to the teeth of them!!

Pure Sound

I don't get how people here can be so against others who are against war. Do ye want war or something?

biko

No, people want to see the airshow and when funding for it dried up they blame GAAW that's been protesting the airshow for years.

c_man

We Need Community wrote: »

I don't get how people here can be so against others who are against war. Do ye want war or something?

They're not against war, see absolute silence regarding just about every conflict around(that doesn't involve US/UK/Israel) since their founding.

People were (I thought they disbanded once Obama was elected) sick of them and their illegal occupation of the Advertiser letters page.

Pure Sound

biko wrote: »

No, people want to see the airshow and when funding for it dried up they blame GAAW that's been protesting the airshow for years.

But it's well known that GAAW had nothing to do with the cancelling of the airshow. I actually admire what they are doing, they believe that something is wrong and they are taking actions to change it. My understanding of the GAAW is that they are not against the airshow just against war planes or planes that resemble war planes like the red arrows taking part in it.

Pure Sound

c_man wrote: »

They're not against war, see absolute silence regarding just about every conflict around(that doesn't involve US/UK/Israel) since their founding.

People were (I thought they disbanded once Obama was elected) sick of them and their illegal occupation of the Advertiser letters page.

The letters that are shown in the advertiser are chosen by the editors, they are the ones who chose to publish them as it clearly is a hot topic in Galway. America and the UK are what represent imperialism in the Western world, that is the reason I reckon they target those two countries. In a similar way Israel are the imperialists of the middle east.

c_man

We Need Community wrote: »

America and the UK are what represent imperialism in the Western world, that is the reason I reckon they target those two countries. In a similar way Israel are the imperialists of the middle east.

So you agree then, they're not against war. Excellent.

Pure Sound

c_man wrote: »

So you agree then, they're not against war. Excellent.

You might be onto something, maybe GAAW is the wrong name for them, maybe it should be Galway Alliance Against Imperialism, still a worthy cause though

scholar007

We Need Community wrote: »

My understanding of the GAAW is that they are not against the airshow just against war planes or planes that resemble war planes like the red arrows taking part in it.

Oh thats ok then. We could have an airshow with just civilian aircraft, oh wait we do, every day of the week - they're held at places called airports.

Or alternatively, I wonder where all those celtic tiger choppers are? It used to be like Saigon at the height of the Vietnam War in Galway during race week (not so now though). We could have those dug out and flown over the bay. They would have to do it in sections, there isn't enough airspace over the bay to accommodate them all.

We must not offend our fellow citizens in the GAAW :rolleyes:

Pure Sound

scholar007 wrote: »

We must not offend our fellow citizens in the GAAW :rolleyes:

Its not about offending people from GAAW, its about having respect for people who these warplanes affect, victims of war etc Is the fact that the airshow is no longer being run that big a deal, its all hype and propaganda anyways

Discodog

We Need Community wrote: »

Its not about offending people from GAAW, its about having respect for people who these warplanes affect, victims of war etc Is the fact that the airshow is no longer being run that big a deal, its all hype and propaganda anyways

It is about denying ten of thousands of local people to view warplanes if they want to.

I presume that the GAAW are totally opposed to the Libyan rebels waging war on Gaddafi ?

tfitzgerald

I think most people go to airshows just to see some planes including warplanes these people gaaw just do not like to see anybody enjoying themselves what next burn all the books they don't agree with

beardybrewer

Google inventions inspired by war or war is the motherhood of invention:

Orange juice
penicillin
radar
satellite
plastic
aeresol
silly puddy

Pure Sound

Discodog wrote: »

It is about denying ten of thousands of local people to view warplanes if they want to.

I presume that the GAAW are totally opposed to the Libyan rebels waging war on Gaddafi ?

I have no idea about their views on the gaddafi situation, its not exactly like for like though is it, we are not seeing Libyan Aircraft flying in Galway bay, I think the GAAW are against the wars that we as a nation seem to support. By watching the airshows that have war planes present you are supporting them in the wars that they are involved in.

Anyways the GAAW did not stop the airshow it was the council as they would no longer fund it.

ben.schlomo

newkie wrote: »

Google inventions inspired by war or war is the motherhood of invention:

Orange juice
penicillin
radar
satellite
plastic
aeresol
silly puddy

Pretty sure none of those are used by GAAW members, against their ethical beliefs and all that :rolleyes:

Pure Sound

newkie wrote: »

Google inventions inspired by war or war is the motherhood of invention:

Orange juice
penicillin
radar
satellite
plastic
aeresol
silly puddy

Going forward, you can't stop progress, sure lives will be lost but its ok we will have inventions. War is great

On a serious note, most of your list would have been discovered or invented anyways, war just meant that they were quicker to the market as the administration and health and safety were not considered during those times.

Discodog

We Need Community wrote: »

I have no idea about their views on the gaddafi situation, its not exactly like for like though is it, we are not seeing Libyan Aircraft flying in Galway bay, I think the GAAW are against the wars that we as a nation seem to support.

But the RAF are directly involved in assisting the rebels as part of NATO. Did I not see that we now recognise the new Libyan government so we clearly support it.

The whole point is that it's not GAAW but Galway Alliance against Wars that they, as a minuscule minority, decide are wrong. Remember there were plenty who thought that our own war was illegal at the time. The whole middle eastern "spring" must be giving anti-war groups a headache as they try to decide who to condemn next.

Surely if an organisation if going to call itself the Galway Alliance it should have significant Galway support ? The name is an attempt to give it some kind of official status.

eagle10

newkie wrote: »

Google inventions inspired by war or war is the motherhood of invention:

Orange juice
penicillin
radar
satellite
plastic
aeresol
silly puddy

Bovril aswell I think

Pure Sound

Discodog wrote: »

But the RAF are directly involved in assisting the rebels as part of NATO. Did I not see that we now recognise the new Libyan government so we clearly support it.

The whole point is that it's not GAAW but Galway Alliance against Wars that they, as a minuscule minority, decide are wrong. Remember there were plenty who thought that our own war was illegal at the time. The whole middle eastern "spring" must be giving anti-war groups a headache as they try to decide who to condemn next.

Surely if an organisation if going to call itself the Galway Alliance it should have significant Galway support ? The name is an attempt to give it some kind of official status.

I'm not sure what you are exactly getting at, are you saying that the situation in Libya is the same as Iraq or Palestine?

Alliance in this case just means group, personally I think all war is wrong and should never be considered an option although I know that this is not possible when greed and religion are involved

xflyer

Don't give them any credit for ending the Salthill airshow, they didn't. If anything it was the fault the City Council and Galway busineses in general who reaped the financial rewards of the airshow but weren't prepared to help sponsor other than in meagre terms.

At best their protest against the airshow demonstrated how few there are. No more than fifty turned up at one of their famous balloon protests and during another airshow their booing of the Red Arrows was drowned out by deliberate cheering of the section of crowd they stood behind. Apart from the Reds themselves who drowned out everything.

It's also worth remembering they are completely misnamed. They should be called the GAACW, C being for certain wars. Niall Farrell's background is Republican and left wing and GAACW concentrates only on the activities of the British, Americans and of course Israel. They're oddly silent on the behaviour of Syria for example not to mention any of the other oppressive regimes out there. They've also been completely out of sorts since Obama got elected. Hard to protest against him.

All credit to them for their ability to get a little publicity even if it is in the local free rags who quite frankly publish their utterings word for word.

Best to ignore them. They only represent themselves.

Discodog

We Need Community wrote: »

personally I think all war is wrong and should never be considered an option

Good Morning Mr Hitler - tea or coffee :rolleyes:

Pure Sound

Discodog wrote: »

Good Morning Mr Hitler - tea or coffee :rolleyes:

Selective quoting :rolleyes:

biko

newkie wrote: »

Google inventions inspired by war or war is the motherhood of invention:

Meh, for example penicillin was around many many years before WW2, it's just that the surge for it during the war made research into it profitable.

I prefer inventions inspired by science fiction
Mobile Phones
Submarine
Computer Viruses
Satellites
Robots
Space Travel
Internet
Atomic Bomb

Discodog

We Need Community wrote: »

I'm not sure what you are exactly getting at, are you saying that the situation in Libya is the same as Iraq or Palestine?

Alliance in this case just means group, personally I think all war is wrong and should never be considered an option although I know that this is not possible when greed and religion are involved

Is that better ? Who decides if greed or religion are a factor ? Many people who instigate wars are not motivated by greed or religion for example Pol Pot. Some people instigate war because there is no one to stop them. The GAAW would of been sitting on the runway congratulating Chamberlain for appeasing Hitler & avoiding war.

Pure Sound

Discodog wrote: »

Is that better ? Who decides if greed or religion are a factor ? Many people who instigate wars are not motivated by greed or religion for example Pol Pot. Some people instigate war because there is no one to stop them. The GAAW would of been sitting on the runway congratulating Chamberlain for appeasing Hitler & avoiding war.

Greed is an excessive desire to possess wealth or goods with the intention to keep it for one's self. Greed is inappropriate expectation. However, greed is applied to a very excessive or rapacious desire and pursuit of wealth, status, and power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greed

samdeman

We Need Community wrote: »

But it's well known that GAAW had nothing to do with the cancelling of the airshow. I actually admire what they are doing, they believe that something is wrong and they are taking actions to change it. My understanding of the GAAW is that they are not against the airshow just against war planes or planes that resemble war planes like the red arrows taking part in it.

when were the red arrows at war? have they been in afghanistan entertaining the taliban to death or something?