Has feminism fuelled atheism

Scanlas The 2nd

What do you think, feminism doesn't seem to be compatible with most religions.

py2006

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prinz

No.

Logical Fallacy

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What do you think, feminism doesn't seem to be compatible with most religions.

Easier to argue that atheism has fueled feminism.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Feminism is a state of mind not being...sure most of them only think they're women.

Bipolar Joe

py2006 wrote: »

expand?

What he said.

Seloth

The only thing they should be fueling is me with my Dinner.

Mickeroo

nah

Craebear

Education.

Lollipops23

People copping on to themselves has fuelled athiesm IMHO.

flutterflye

I see where you're going with your point, but no, I would imagine that it is one tiny aspect of many, that has altered over time leading to a general change in societal mind set.
Science and factual evidence would be way more likely to have "fueled athiesm".

Chips Ahoy

one thing feminism has fueled is divorces. Am i right men?

Standman

How sexist of you to insinuate feminism can be used as fuel!!1!

Celly Smunt

Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A:

That's not funny.

Bipolar Joe

For an absolutely amazing look into feminism, watch the Man Woman Myth videos. Every fact is attributed, it's fantastic. Man after my own heart.

smokingman

I can see the OPs logic, women are pretty much sub-human in a lot of religions.
No catholic women priests, more rights for men than women in Islam etc...

Chicken and egg thing with regard to atheism though.

AnnyHallsal

Is this Kevin Myers' next column?

Dangerous Man

No - feminism has nothing to do with enlightenment.

Maybe if all those feminists shut up for a minute and made some sandwiches we'd all be better off.

Genghiz Cohen

But Atheism is just another religion!

orourkeda

Lollipops23 wrote: »

People copping on to themselves has fuelled athiesm IMHO.

You know better dont you?

flutterflye

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

But Atheism is just another religion!

Wtf?
Seriously wtf is that?
Do you actually believe that?

TheZohanS

How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb: 12

One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

Celly Smunt

The brightest of the lot are agnostics,not stupid it enough to believe everything but not ignorant enough to look down on peoples beliefs.

prinz

smokingman wrote: »

No catholic women priests....

No catholic men are nuns.

smokingman wrote: »

Chicken and egg thing with regard to atheism though.

Atheism as a movement/philosophy predates feminism by about 300 years.

AnnyHallsal

Dangerous Man wrote: »

No - feminism has nothing to do with enlightenment.

Given that feminism emerged during the enlightenment ...

But most of the original feminists were Christians and used Christianity to support their arguments. So, no.

Genghiz Cohen

flutterflye wrote: »

Wtf?
Seriously wtf is that?
Do you actually believe that?

Atheists believe there is no God.
It's just another belief system.

strobe

I would imagine that freedom of speech and expression has simultaneously fueled both atheism and feminism. I bet in the 1950's there were far far more atheists and feminists both than was apparent, but they were not in a position to be open about this as society would have been hostile to such views. But with the advancement in society towards people being able to express opinions which challenged the zeitgeist openly more people 'came out'.

Also things like television, radio, the internet and other technological advancements which meant information could be shared more easily and with a greater number of people meant that people who may never have considered the questions of feminism or atheism heard arguments for them and did for the first time.

I think both viewpoints became more prevalent side by side and for a lot of the same reasons but without having any particularly strong influence on each other.

TheZohanS

pmcmahon wrote: »

The brightest of the lot are agnostics,not stupid it enough to believe everything but not ignorant enough to look down on peoples beliefs.

Yeah gotta love the strength of their convictions alright.

c_man

pmcmahon wrote: »

The brightest of the lot are agnostics,not stupid it enough to believe everything but not ignorant enough to look down on peoples beliefs.

So not believing is the same as looking down on others beliefs?

Has feminism fuelled atheism

Perhaps. I imagine that a growing feminism in majority Catholic countries like Ireland, would see a lot of women turn against the church based on well being treated like second hand citizens. Doesn't make them atheist though.

Genghiz Cohen

pmcmahon wrote: »

The brightest of the lot are agnostics,not stupid it enough to believe everything but not ignorant enough to look down on peoples beliefs.

I find Agnostics worse than Atheists.
So uppety.

Accept Christ or get out of a Catholic country!

Celly Smunt

c_man wrote: »

So not believing is the same as looking down on others beliefs?

if you're going to be in constant opposition which seems to be the way atheism fueled itself then yes.

flutterflye

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Atheists believe there is no God.
It's just another belief system.

Athiesm is a lack of belief in a higher power or being.
A lack of belief is not a belief.
Even if it were, a belief system does not equate to a religious faith.

What is wrong with people?! :rolleyes:

Celly Smunt

TheZohan wrote: »

Yeah gotta love the strength of their convictions alright.

hate the game man not the player :pac:

prinz

TheZohan wrote: »

How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb: 12

One to screw it in,
one to excoriate men for creating the need for illumination,
one to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination,
one to suggest the whole "screwing" bit to be too "rape-like",
one to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being phallic,
one to blame men for not changing the bulb,
one to blame men for trying to change the bulb instead of letting a woman do it,
one to blame men for creating a society that discourages women from changing light bulbs,
one to blame men for creating a society where women change too many light bulbs,
one to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians,
one to alert the media that women are now "out-lightbulbing" men,
one to just sit there taking pictures for her blog for photo-evidence that men are unnecessary.

Forgot the last one, one to attack other women for choosing not to change the lightbulb.

mackg

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Atheists believe there is no God.
It's just another belief system.

Atheists don't believe there is a god because there is no evidence supporting it.

Religeons believe there is a God despite a lack of evidence.

There is a big difference there in my eyes.

bullpost

Complete with its own bible no less:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Book-Humanist-Bible/dp/0802717373

They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Atheists believe there is no God.
It's just another belief system.

AnnyHallsal

smokingman wrote: »

I can see the OPs logic, women are pretty much sub-human in a lot of religions.
No catholic women priests, more rights for men than women in Islam etc...

Overstatement. Women's 'humanity' is essential in all the Hebraic religions. Idealised as much as they're debased, the old Madonna/Whore dichotomy.

smokingman

prinz wrote: »

No catholic men are nuns.

...and nuns can say mass and have a house/housekeeper and all that yeah? :rolleyes:

prinz wrote: »

Atheism as a movement/philosophy predates feminism by about 300 years.

Atheism isn't a movement or a philosophy, it's simply a lack of belief in magic and all that jazz....so therefore predates a lot more than feminism.

mackg

c_man wrote: »

So not believing is the same as looking down on others beliefs? Perhaps. I imagine that a growing feminism in majority Catholic countries like Ireland, would see a lot of women turn against the church based on well being treated like second hand citizens. Doesn't make them atheist though.

there is a difference between people abandoning the RCC(as an example) and people becoming atheists.

Insect Overlord

Just posting to say that Genghiz Cohen is playing a blinder in this thread.

*resumes lurking*

flutterflye

bullpost wrote: »

Complete with its own bible no less:

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Book-Humanist-Bible/dp/0802717373

They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

First of all humanists and athiests are not the same thing.
Secondly, there is no bible for athiesm!
There are some people who publish rubbish books and try and pass them off as a sort of rule book for athiests.

Mickeroo

pmcmahon wrote: »

The brightest of the lot are agnostics,not stupid it enough to believe everything but not ignorant enough to look down on peoples beliefs.

People who look down on other peoples beliefs are assholes not atheists, you get religious ones and non-religious ones.

As for agnosticism, well it always just seemed like sitting on the fence really. I wouldn't discount that there could be some sort of creator we don't know about but I would definitely say all the gods humans follow don't exist, so while I can say I don't know whether the universe was created by something or not I can still call myself an atheist.

c_man

pmcmahon wrote: »

if you're going to be in constant opposition which seems to be the way atheism fueled itself then yes.

So all atheists make fun of and deride religious people?

Can I borrow that brush of yours, I'll have my house painted in no time at all with it.

c_man

mackg wrote: »

there is a difference between people abandoning the RCC(as an example) and people becoming atheists.

Exactly what I was trying to get across.

prinz

smokingman wrote: »

...and nuns can say mass and have a house/housekeeper and all that yeah? :rolleyes:

So your problem is not with gender restricted roles, just with the stuff that comes along with it? How many women play in the premiership? How many men play camogie?

smokingman wrote: »

...
Atheism isn't a movement or a philosophy, it's simply a lack of belief in magic and all that jazz....so therefore predates a lot more than feminism.

I think you know what I meant. Atheism started gaining new ground in Europe anyway about 16th century, feminism as we know it took off in the 19th.

Genghiz Cohen

mackg wrote: »

Atheists don't believe there is a god because there is no evidence supporting it.

Religeons believe there is a God despite a lack of evidence.

There is a big difference there in my eyes.

I've experienced Christs love. He cured my back aches when I prayed for relief.
Once you experience Gods love, you need no other evidence.

Christ be with you.

AnnyHallsal

prinz wrote: »

I think you know what I meant. Atheism started gaining new ground in Europe anyway about 16th century, feminism as we know it took off in the 19th.

Some very important feminist writers emerged at the same time as Toland/Kant etc: Astell, Wollstonecraft. Both atheism and feminism 'as we know them' went through important changes in the 19th century but definitely share an enlightenment heritage.

flutterflye

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

I've experienced Christs love. He cured my back aches when I prayed for relief.
Once you experience Gods love, you need no other evidence.

Christ be with you.

Okay, phew!
You're just trolling.
Praise be to the lord!

Genghiz Cohen

flutterflye wrote: »

Athiesm is a lack of belief in a higher power or being.
A lack of belief is not a belief.
Even if it were, a belief system does not equate to a religious faith.

What is wrong with people?! :rolleyes:

You said it yourself, Atheists believe something; God doesn't exist. How did they come to that conclusion? They close their eyes to truth!

They have a belief system, with no evidence to support it.

I have my faith back up by years of answered prayers.

Please be Saved!

Celly Smunt

c_man wrote: »

So all atheists make fun of and deride religious people?

Can I borrow that brush of yours, I'll have my house painted in no time at all with it.

and all christians,muslims,jews etc etc push their beliefs onto athiests? your point?

Atheism has taken on a role,by a majority and yes i will be so bold to say majority,of starting a complete opposition to any faith believing person or organisation.

prinz

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Some very important feminist writers emerged at the same time as Toland/Kant etc: Astell, Wollstonecraft. Both atheism and feminism 'as we know them' went through important changes in the 19th century but definitely share an enlightenment heritage.

True. The industrial revolution had a massive impact on both.