Regale me with tales of idiot PT's

NOOBIE7

Whats the most stupid piece of advice a personal trainer has ever told you?

For me it was when i started off weight training and a PT told me that you dont build muscle pulling your rep up you build it releasing your pull slowly and the muscle grows on the way down :eek:

Hanley

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

Whats the most stupid piece of advice a personal trainer has ever told you?

For me it was when i started off weight training and a PT told me that you dont build muscle pulling your rep up you build it releasing your pull slowly and the muscle grows on the way down :eek:

There's an element of truth to that and it's entirely possible you misinterpreted what he said.

Ash.J.Williams

ha ha sickened

NOOBIE7

how so?

isn't building the muscle all about tearing the muscle fibres and more or less shocking your body into saying heh what the hell are you doing to me so it will repair it and grow bigger and stronger so it can deal with what your doing to it the next time??

Hanley

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

how so?

isn't building the muscle all about tearing the muscle fibres and more or less shocking your body into saying heh what the hell are you doing to me so it will repair it and grow bigger and stronger so it can deal with what your doing to it the next time??

And at what stage of the lift does this "tearing" primarily occur?

NOOBIE7

Hanley wrote: »

And at what stage of the lift does this "tearing" primarily occur?

that works both ways so to me in my eyes the advice i was given by the PT is a nonsense. I'm not trying to argue with you at all and appreciate your replies but your not making a great case to dissprove that advice

eilo1

I was told to read an article by a pt that basically told me type one diabetics couldnt run long distances. Never went back after that one :mad:

Hanley

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

that works both ways so to me in my eyes the advice i was given by the PT is a nonsense. I'm not trying to argue with you at all and appreciate your replies but your not making a great case to dissprove that advice

Your post makes no sense.

I asked you where the primary "tearing" effect on a muscle that you're talking bout happens. The answer is it happens during the eccentric portion of the lifting. Eccentric is aka "lowering" and the greater the TUT, the more "damage" that occurs.

Thus, lowering weights slowly and under control causes more "tearing" than lifting them fast and explosively, potentially leading to greater gains.

moomooman

On joining a gym the PT guy took my blood pressure, said your dangerously low...

Second visit, he says youre still low, you must leave the gym and get a letter from your doctor to say youre capable of exercising before you can return. Now I'm average height/weight reasonably fit so this was a surprise.

So I'm barred for weeks while raising the money for the doctor, they kept charging me membership meanwhile.

Tell this to my doctor and he breaks his heart laughing :rolleyes: assures me my BP is normal and the guy was a moron, but the Doc still performs a (expensive) battery of tests that all come back A-ok.

Nothing wrong with me but an untrained member of staff bars me from the gym. So I avoid those guys now!

O.P.H

Hanley wrote: »

Your post makes no sense.

I asked you where the primary "tearing" effect on a muscle that you're talking bout happens. The answer is it happens during the eccentric portion of the lifting. Eccentric is aka "lowering" and the greater the TUT, the more "damage" that occurs.

Thus, lowering weights slowly and under control causes more "tearing" than lifting them fast and explosively, potentially leading to greater gains.

Interesting as hell! I didnt know that. So by that logic, are negatives the way to go,? Like should the "down part" of all your weights exercises be done slower than the "up part" to help gains?

NOOBIE7

Hanley wrote: »

Your post makes no sense.

I asked you where the primary "tearing" effect on a muscle that you're talking bout happens. The answer is it happens during the eccentric portion of the lifting. Eccentric is aka "lowering" and the greater the TUT, the more "damage" that occurs.

Thus, lowering weights slowly and under control causes more "tearing" than lifting them fast and explosively, potentially leading to greater gains.

the best gains come from compound excercises and constantly tricking your body by changing your sets/reps every couple of weeks lifting heavier and all of the compound excercises are explosive

NOOBIE7

moomooman wrote: »

On joining a gym the PT guy took my blood pressure, said your dangerously low...

Second visit, he says youre still low, you must leave the gym and get a letter from your doctor to say youre capable of exercising before you can return. Now I'm average height/weight reasonably fit so this was a surprise.

So I'm barred for weeks while raising the money for the doctor, they kept charging me membership meanwhile.

Tell this to my doctor and he breaks his heart laughing :rolleyes: assures me my BP is normal and the guy was a moron, but the Doc still performs a (expensive) battery of tests that all come back A-ok.

Nothing wrong with me but an untrained member of staff bars me from the gym. So I avoid those guys now!

Did you go back with the letter from your doctor and get your money back?

Hanley

O.P.H wrote: »

Interesting as hell! I didnt know that. So by that logic, are negatives the way to go,? Like should the "down part" of all your weights exercises be done slower than the "up part" to help gains?

Logic =/= results

But yah, like concentrics done as fast as possible with good form, and eccentrics done under control is a pretty decent way to approach things.

Hanley

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

the best gains come from compound excercises and constantly tricking your body by changing your sets/reps every couple of weeks lifting heavier and all of the compound excercises are explosive

Thanks for that.

NOOBIE7

O.P.H wrote: »

Interesting as hell! I didnt know that. So by that logic, are negatives the way to go,? Like should the "down part" of all your weights exercises be done slower than the "up part" to help gains?

you should come down slowly and in control of course but coming down slowly doesnt help you make gains. Trick your body mix it up eat lots and keep trying to increase the weight your lifting, its not magic dude & good luck

moomooman

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

Did you go back with the letter from your doctor and get your money back?

I did, but I had to fight to get anything out of them. The manager offered to give me some vouchers for the gym that I could SELL and earn some money back lol!

In the end they tacked 2 months onto the end of my one year membership.

NOOBIE7

Hanley wrote: »

Thanks for that.

? Come on now tell the truth are you a personal trainer

NOOBIE7

moomooman wrote: »

I did, but I had to fight to get anything out of them. The manager offered to give me some vouchers for the gym that I could SELL and earn some money back lol!

In the end they tacked 2 months onto the end of my one year membership.

Disaster and the reason why i wouldnt go into a commercial gym if i got free membership (well that and listening to the dudes spoutting crap and looking in the mirror at their gunz

Hanley

Just in case people actually think of taking advice off you - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71904994

eilo1

[QUOTE=Hanley;7397
8078]Just in case people actually think of taking advice off you - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71904994[/QUOTE]

(Sorry totally off topic but the whole thread is soooooo)

Was feeling a bit sorry for you there Hanley so I went searching for a paper that explained eccentric training, didnt find a simple enough one but I did stumble across this nugget.

http://librarysearch.ucd.ie/V/SKCY75724F28RABYYHDH6R5Q3P68VALSPCQ1H8INMFRXFKTLFF-39044?func=quick-3&short-format=002&set_number=001405&set_entry=000018&format=999

NOOBIE7

Hanley wrote: »

Just in case people actually think of taking advice off you - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71904994

YOUR UNBELIEVABLE !

I dont claim to know it all far from it, in fact i posted another thread today asking about jack3d but 6 months ago i was 10 stone and scrawny. that programme i put up that you kindly linked for everyone is Vince Delmontes mass gainer programme, thats 1 night of the 3 i posted. the programme changes every 3 weeks over 6 months and you get 1 week off. I've been eating 6 times a day, 2 of those meals are serious mass and im now weighing 11 stone 9lbs with 12% bodyfat and my strenght gains have been incrediable in my eyes from where i was. But thanks for that anyway hanley

Owen_S

Quality thread, would read again.

kodute

I dont get it, does PT stand for Personal Trainer or Posters Thread :pac:

jugger0

None of the PT's at my gym even lift.

Michael 09

Hanley wrote: »

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

the best gains come from compound excercises and constantly tricking your body by changing your sets/reps every couple of weeks lifting heavier and all of the compound excercises are explosive

Thanks for that.

I'm not sure why but that made me LOL

Hanley

Michael 09 wrote: »

I'm not sure why but that made me LOL

Blame it on the FAEs.

Michael 09

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

Hanley wrote: »

Just in case people actually think of taking advice off you - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71904994

YOUR UNBELIEVABLE !

You do realise that Hanley read this and took it literally. He then stopped reading.

Hanley don't try and say you didn't.

Transform

NOOBIE7 wrote: »

you should come down slowly and in control of course but coming down slowly doesnt help you make gains. Trick your body mix it up eat lots and keep trying to increase the weight your lifting, its not magic dude & good luck

'Trick your body' - shake my head. Might be related to the muscle confusion principle possibly.

Brian?

Pointless thread. Locked.