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His family annoyed I won't take husband's name

  • 22-08-2011 10:46am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I am recently married. I am keeping my name, husband happy with this. His family are annoyed and upset about this. They told their extended family I would be Mrs Hisname and all our cards, cheques from the wedding are made out to Mr and Mrs and therefore had problems being lodged. They refer to me as Mrs Hisname in company and have said I'm just being stubborn, and not showing that I'm part of their family.

    Husband will do anything for a quiet life but his dad especially is wrecking my head, he's a pain most of the time anyway but he's like a dog with a bone on this issue. He also keeps saying we'll have little ones with husbands surnames, and how selfish it is that they won't share their mother's name and that they'll get slagged about it. We want double barrell names but I fear husband will give into his domineering dad.

    I don't want to be around them or their attitude.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    You cannot fight a battle with your husband's family. It just doesn't work.

    Your husband needs to step up to the mark, tell his family that it's none of their business and is not open for discussion. Your name is whatever it is right now, and to say otherwise is highly disrespectful. Whenever the topic is brought up, he needs to shush them as abruptly as possible, without discussion, to drive the message home.

    There is simply no other way without having a big falling out. You are perfectly entitled to not explain yourselves or have to debate your decisions, and his family needs to be told that, by him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    This is a battle between your husband and his family. If they comment to you then ask them to take it up with their son who is perfectly happy with the arrangements and frankly the only person whose opinion on the matter you care about.

    It's well to set a bench mark for interfering in-laws early doors - if I were you I'd be sitting down Mr i am me and discussing how annoying you find it, the damage it is doing regarding ever having a reasonably harmonious relationship with his family and insisting he draws a clear boundary ASAP. I've kept my surname and we decided that our kids would not be christened/baptised/insert in-laws religious expectation here - and my husband was able to tell them to back off and keep out far more emphatically without causing WWIII than I ever could. You need to make sure they know you are both part of an adult unit operating separately to them, rather than you have just become another of their children.

    All the best :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 494 ✭✭trio


    I've kept my surname and everyone knows it.

    I've been suprised though by the amount of eyebrows this raises. Not just with the older generation, who you'd expect - but the people my own age.

    Friends who've changed their names and feel strongly about it get very prickly - even though it's not exactly a conversation that comes up very often if I can help it! I tend to forget all about it, tbh, and it suprises me when people want to talk about it. Why??

    At family weddings, I occasionally find myself down on the Table Plan as "X HisName". I make a joke about it like "there's a strange woman at my seat, lol!" and everyone laughs. But there's no point making too much of a big deal about it - I figure that it's a cultural norm still - and you have to pick your battles. The odd mistake on a table plan doesn't bother me - as long as it's a genuine mistake and not a total intentional F.You.

    I tend to avoid any deep conversation about it - that would imply it's up for debate, which it isn't. But if pressed into a corner I find the following line works wonders:

    "He married me - he didn't BUY me!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Common enough in work like maybe a teacher and hundreds know you already.
    i am me wrote: »
    We want double barrell names but I fear husband will give into his domineering dad.

    But where does it end?
    If you become a grandparent :) will your grandchildren have double double barrell names


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    mikemac wrote: »
    Common enough in work like maybe a teacher and hundreds know you already.



    But where does it end?
    If you become a grandparent :) will your grandchildren have double double barrell names



    How it that any sort of issue? The OP and her husband have made the decision to have double names, that's not the problem. I kept my name and would be extremely annoyed if I was persistently called a name that is not my own. I am Lazygal Mysurname and will remain so. How would you feel if someone called you by another name?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Penny Dreadful


    mikemac wrote: »
    Common enough in work like maybe a teacher and hundreds know you already.



    But where does it end?
    If you become a grandparent :) will your grandchildren have double double barrell names

    Who knows but it doesn't matter. Their children may decide to double barrell themselves or not. I don't really think this is a pressing concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    trio wrote: »
    I've kept my surname and everyone knows it.

    I've been suprised though by the amount of eyebrows this raises. Not just with the older generation, who you'd expect - but the people my own age.
    Yep, me too. My wife hasn't taken my name, for various reasons. She says that for things like dealing with teachers and doctors when we have kids, she'll be Mrs seamus for easiness sake, and it doesn't at all bother her when someone addresses her as her married name, but she's keeping her name, and that's the way I like it.

    I find it odd that most of the time when someone says, "Oops, I should say Mrs seamus", and we correct them, they always turn to me and ask, "Is that not weird?". Um, no. As trio says, I didn't buy her, I don't own her. I've no reason to be offended about her changing her name (or not).

    Thankfully she can be fairly traditional in many ways, so she had already decided that the kids would have my name, we didn't have to negotiate on that.
    mikemac wrote: »
    But where does it end?
    If you become a grandparent :) will your grandchildren have double double barrell names
    That would be up to the children themselves to decide surely :)
    Not a fan of double-barrelled surnames myself, but I see no specific reason why any tradition would have to be carried on. There are tonnes of alternatives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 150 ✭✭catch me if you can


    Husband will do anything for a quiet life
    If this is the case how do you know he agrees with you either? maybe he is hurt you didnt want to take his name.:) sorry just saying!

    On seperate note its really up to you guys and no one else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    All women (in the Western World, at least) take a man's surname, either their husband's or their father's.

    As for this case? OP? Stand your ground and leave them at it. You do not have to convince anyone of anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    If this is the case how do you know he agrees with you either? maybe he is hurt you didnt want to take his name.:) sorry just saying!
    That is a valid point. However, even if he did just agree for the sake of a quiet life, he still agreed. It's too late to change his mind now.
    In any case, even if he shares his families ideas, that still doesn't allow his family to have any input on what he has agreed with his wife. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭c07


    i've never taken my OH's surname. OH has no problem with it. Family couldn't understand it at start but have grown to accept it.
    I have no problem with people addressing me either as my surname or his, but all my official documentation is in my own name.
    However, all our children will have his name.

    His family will grow to accept it, I'm sure. This is what you want, stick to your guns if you feel strongly about it.

    I felt it was my identity and I love my own surname, therefore didn't want to change it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    The wife keeping her own surname is becoming much more common, not at all unusual these days (me and gf will be doing this also) and really your husband needs to grow a pair and stand up to his parents now and nip this in the bud.

    He really needs to be quite blunt with them about this, no pussyfooting around it. You're keeping your own name, it's who you are, and the issue is not open for discussion full stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Is your husband an only son?


    For many families it is a very big thing to keep the family name alive, I'm not surprised the father is up in arms about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Husband has an older brother, he's not married. Carrying on the family name is not the issue, our children will have both our names. I'll be giving birth so of course I will have my surname for our children as well as his.

    How should we deal with this with his father? I am SICK of being called Mrs Hisname.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    i am ma wrote: »
    Husband has an older brother, he's not married. Carrying on the family name is not the issue, our children will have both our names. I'll be giving birth so of course I will have my surname for our children as well as his.

    How should we deal with this with his father? I am SICK of being called Mrs Hisname.

    Tell him to sort it out with his family and tell them to back off calling you Mrs Hisname.

    Dont respond whenever you are called Mrs Hisname. I wouldnt bother getting in a flap with them, they are looking for a response - dont give them one. Anytime it comes up in conversation, walk off, look bored, say NOTHING - there is nothing to row about if one side refuses to engage.

    If they refer to you as Mrs Hisname in company and there is a new person present, tell the new person you have been introduced incorrectly and your name is actually Ms Hername. If the only people present are the usual people who already know youve chosen not to change your name then back to zero response.

    Legally you can call yourself whatever you want and so long as all your legal documentation (ID, passport, drivers licence etc...) is in the name you want then thats grand.

    I just wouldnt be bothered getting in a flap over it or discussing it with them at all yourself. Its really up to your husband to straighten them out and if he cant do that then youre best to just ignore the whole thing and be Ms Hername without any fuss.

    In the interests of consistency Id return any cards/letters from them addressed to Mrs Hisname with 'not known at this address'. :)

    Just as an aside, I didnt have any issues lodging cheques made out to Mrs Hisname after we married - to an account named Ms Hername. The bank just wanted to see my marriage certificate as proof Mrs Hisname referred to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    i am ma wrote: »
    Husband has an older brother, he's not married. Carrying on the family name is not the issue, our children will have both our names. I'll be giving birth so of course I will have my surname for our children as well as his.

    How should we deal with this with his father? I am SICK of being called Mrs Hisname.
    Having a double barrelled name is not strictly carrying on the name tbh, what happens when those kids get married?

    I'm from a small family and its a pretty big, traditional thing, keeping the name alive. I can understand why his dad feels like that if thats the case... Maybe it might be an idea to give the kids the fathers surname? Maybe thats whats at the root of the issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    What if SHE wants to carry on her name? It takes two to make a baby, why wouldn't a mother give a child her name? Me and my husband will have double barrel names when we have kiddies, not even negotiable as far as I'm concerned as a man's name is not of greater historical value than a woman's.

    I think the advice to ignore people when they call her Mrs X and act as if she doesn't know who that is is good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    I think the days when children had to appease parents demanding the right to dictate their daughter-in-law or even grand-children's surnames are, quite rightfully, long gone.

    It is decision that is for the OP and her husband - no-one else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if SHE wants to carry on her name? It takes two to make a baby, why wouldn't a mother give a child her name? Me and my husband will have double barrel names when we have kiddies, not even negotiable as far as I'm concerned as a man's name is not of greater historical value than a woman's.

    I think the advice to ignore people when they call her Mrs X and act as if she doesn't know who that is is good.
    What happens when your kids get married and they feel the same and want to carry the name on? They cant have a triple barreled, or quadruple barreled name can they? A name will have to be dropped somewhere along the line.

    What you are saying there is a bit ironic, as the chances are your surname is your fathers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    What happens when your kids get married and they feel the same and want to carry the name on? They cant have a triple barreled, or quadruple barreled name can they? A name will have to be dropped somewhere along the line.

    What you are saying there is a bit ironic, as the chances are your surname is your fathers.

    Yes, but now it's my name and I want it to continue. My husband has enough cop on to realize its equal for us to give OUR children BOTH our names, as we BOTH create them. You're not making any real point, TBH, and the OP and her husband have made their decision on this, her issue is how to stop her relatives calling her by a name that she is not known by. How would you feel if you were called John even though your name was Paul?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    lazygal wrote: »
    Yes, but now it's my name and I want it to continue. My husband has enough cop on to realize its equal for us to give OUR children BOTH our names, as we BOTH create them. You're not making any real point, TBH, and the OP and her husband have made their decision on this, her issue is how to stop her relatives calling her by a name that she is not known by. How would you feel if you were called John even though your name was Paul?
    The point I'm making is that double barreling the names may lead to a situation where the name isn't carried on, for some this may seem trivial, but for others it is very important. For instance if the kids wouldn't take my surname I would see little point in actually getting married.

    Maybe its just me, but from the OP it sounds like the husband hasn't made up his mind "will do anything for a quiet life" so chances are he could be agreeing with his wife, then with his dad, he needs to speak up.

    I think this is more about the kids surnames than about the wifes tbh!


    Anyway OP, best of luck, I guess some people need to learn that not everyone likes time honored traditions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,387 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if SHE wants to carry on her name? It takes two to make a baby, why wouldn't a mother give a child her name? Me and my husband will have double barrel names when we have kiddies, not even negotiable as far as I'm concerned as a man's name is not of greater historical value than a woman's..

    Double Barrell names for the kids are a silly notion and I laugh at some of those I know of. What happens when a kid with a double barrel name grows up, marries and has kids - will they get triple or quadruple surnames? It's a sensible tradition to take either the fathers or the mothers surname and seeing as there is a forename and surname to choose, there could be a compromise on who gets to pick which.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,737 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    My brother's fiancé was asking me this the other night. I told her that whilst I would probably take my husband's name it was completely her decision. Other of my brother's wives have kept their own names and, as fas as I'm concerned, anyone who disagrees with them can go hang.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Double Barrell names for the kids are a silly notion and I laugh at some of those I know of. What happens when a kid with a double barrel name grows up, marries and has kids - will they get triple or quadruple surnames? It's a sensible tradition to take either the fathers or the mothers surname and seeing as there is a forename and surname to choose, there could be a compromise on who gets to pick which.

    I laugh at some names that people choose to keep or take on due to time honoured tradition - that's neither here nor there, really.

    What happens when someone with a double barrelled name marries? They get to choose what name they take/keep when they are married - and what name their children have is between them and their husband/wife. That's the whole point. Nobody should be dictating name changes and what you name your children. In fact, if double-barrelled is an issue, he can take her name - sorts it all out. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,396 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Are you sure they're not just winding you up OP?

    With the way you go on about insisting any children are saddled with double-barrel names, you seem quite militant about it and, tbh, were you my sister-in-law I'm not sure I could resist a few needles on the subject. :p


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nathalia Spicy Rhino


    God in heaven people who cares what names they give the kids. This isn't an academic debate, it's an aggressive annoying in-law family who don't know when to mind their own business and keep their mouths shut. She is entitled to whatever name she wants and what names THEY give the kids is between them so why don't you just drop it.

    OP I would also suggest a word to the husband is the only way to go
    If someone calls you mrs hisname, then just ignore them or say "who is that" until they have to call your actual name


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Lyn256


    I haven't and won't change my name because it is MY name.
    My kids have their dads surname and we're all happy with that. (No double barrels it would be waaaay too much of a mouthful)

    I have an unusual last name, I like it and I've had it for the last 38 years-while I love my hubbie dearly, I've always said that I would not change my name.

    I'm not being particularly feminist or making a point other than its my name, I like it and I don't ever want to change it.

    Its really not anyone else's business only you and your hubbies!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Sleepy wrote: »
    Are you sure they're not just winding you up OP?

    With the way you go on about insisting any children are saddled with double-barrel names, you seem quite militant about it and, tbh, were you my sister-in-law I'm not sure I could resist a few needles on the subject. :p

    WTF? :confused: Looks like more than the in-laws' prejudice on tradition showing up on this thread...

    ... ignore it as well as the one in your family, OP. It will all blow over eventually; as has been pointed out, just answer to your own name and be consistent with it - unless the smartasses are particularly malicious and intent on alienating you from the family (which I doubt), they will just tire of it all at some point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Sorry but i can kind of see the family's point on this.

    My own Mum didn't take my Dad's name - probably selfishly as I think she admits - and made sure all of their children bore her surname and not his. It caused a fairly tense animosity within the family at the time, and I don't think that was ever resolved before my grandparents passed away, it is likely still a lingering slight amongst aunts and uncles.

    In my opinion the only people this has a real effect on are the children. My paternal relatives would send us birthday cards with our paternal surname just to be obtuse, or would inscribe gifts to the same effect, and it became a clear and tangible mark of division. For what? A name? a petty disagreement between adults who should have known better.

    I would say if you want to keep your own name, that's your own business. But try not to drag your children into the matter - they have nothing to do with self important name tags and likely don't care very much either way unless they see you guys make a big deal about it.

    Also consider sometimes a family may have a genuine reason for wanting their offspring to continue the family name. After all there is nothing inherently wrong in family pride, or wanting to continue the line of family history. And, indeed, sometimes there is a fair enough case to be made for compliance with social tradition - neglecting your husbands surname may be seen as a gesture of insufficiency, which is a slight that can cut pretty deeply within families. Is it worth it?


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nathalia Spicy Rhino


    later10 wrote: »

    In my opinion the only people this has a real effect on are the children. My paternal relatives would send us birthday cards with our paternal surname just to be obtuse, or would inscribe gifts to the same effect, and it became a clear and tangible mark of division. For what? A name? a petty disagreement between adults who should have known better.

    That's their fault, not hers for not falling in line.

    The number of people going on about the poor children :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    bluewolf wrote: »
    That's their fault, not hers for not falling in line.

    The number of people going on about the poor children :rolleyes:
    Well yes actually, because where animosity exists between which surname to take, it's invariably the children who get caught up in the tug of war.

    Why should the father fall in line any more than the mother?

    In most cases, there is a social tradition which says that where one name alone is conferred, that the father's name be that taken name.

    Where all things being equal (i.e. both mother and father having equal claim on the naming of their offspring) I don't see why that social norm should not kick in as a deciding factor. If nothing else than to spare the child the perception that the father's name or reputation was somehow lacking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Ste.phen


    Whatever about what surname to give the kids, which is a whole different kettle of fish, I'd rather my OH didn't change her name upon marriage.
    I fell in love with 'OH HerSurname', not 'OH MySurname', I didn't buy her, she wasn't given to me. we're two different people with different backgrounds and different surnames.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nathalia Spicy Rhino


    later10 wrote: »
    Well yes actually, because where animosity exists between which surname to take, it's invariably the children who get caught up in the tug of war.
    because of interfering relatives who need to be told to sod off
    Why should the father fall in line any more than the mother?
    nobody is saying anyone should fall in line. i was making fun of the idea that she should just do as she's told and take his name instead of them having separate names if they want
    In most cases, there is a social tradition which says that where one name alone is conferred, that the father's name be that taken name.

    Where all things being equal (i.e. both mother and father having equal claim on the naming of their offspring) I don't see why that social norm should not kick in as a deciding factor. If nothing else than to spare the child the perception that the father's name or reputation was somehow lacking.
    oh come on later10, you're not sitting there telling me "we've always done it" is a good reason to do anything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Someone else wrote their mother was "probably selfish" for keeping her own name and giving children her name. How is selfish for a woman to want this but not for a man, simply because its always been done that way?

    We used to do lots of things we don't do any more, like take children away from unwed mothers. My husband realizes that carrying a giving birth to a child is the only reason he needs for agreeing to both names for our children. They will be OUR children, why wouldn't they have my name?

    I think the OP needs to simply ignore being called a name that isn't her own and correct the situation when introduced to others.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭littlebug


    I don't get why all the fuss over names. I didn't take my husbands name but some people didn't recognise that.... no big hoohaa over it, it just hasn't registered with them and they continued to call me by his name while I continued to use my own name for work etc. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.
    Kids do have his surname and it did get a bit confusing when in hospital with the first and her files had to have my surname so now for anything relating to kids ie school, doctors etc I do actually use his name.

    Actually.... we get even more confusing. Husband uses the Irish version of his name and thats the name the kids have. One side of his family continue to use the English version so kids get post with what to them looks like a completely different surname to theirs. A quick explanation and they now shrug it off just like I do. We know who we are, we're a family and the names on the end are just a tag which can vary depending on who we're talking to:D. To me it's no big deal and I wouldn't fall out with someone over it.
    Having a few different surnames can occasionally be useful ;)


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  • Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree with those who think it's a matter of family pride/wanting to continue the name.

    Now I would be all for keeping the husband's family name alive and showing your appreciation of their family. The problem is, what makes the husband's family's pride more important than the OP's? One family is going to lose out, so the OP's plan is really the one that compromises and keeps the most people happy.

    Personally, while there should be no problem with keeping your name, or with giving the kids doubled barreled names, in any situation other than yours I'd give the kids the husband's name with the option of taking your name instead when they're older (I have a friend who took her mum's maiden name at 18 and it wasn't a problem). But your situation is different. Because his family have been basically trying to bully you into making you change. They don't want your marriage to be a joining of two families, they want it to be you wanting to join their family, and they want to hold all the cards.

    So while a compromise might be good, they've burned their bridges with you on this issue. Do not give in to them now, it's their fault it has escalated. Have ZERO tolerance for their remarks, especially the antics of the father. Don't laugh along, don't even ignore it. Tell them exactly where you stand every time they mention it, and don't let them brush it off. Be deadly serious.
    Warn your OH about what's going to happen, and then don't be afraid to wage war. It's already been started by them, you've just got to turn their passive aggressiveness into the open, where you can tell them every time where you stand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    bluewolf wrote: »
    That's their fault, not hers for not falling in line.

    The number of people going on about the poor children :rolleyes:

    Absolutely - it strikes me as ignorantly parochial to expect a say in what other people call themselves or their children...never mind then starting some petty and childish campaign to make sure they know your displeasure at not conforming with their in-laws expectations - talk about the in-laws from hell. :eek: There is no way the OP should appeasing people with that kind of petty and bullying mentality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,396 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    seenitall wrote: »
    WTF? :confused: Looks like more than the in-laws' prejudice on tradition showing up on this thread...
    I in no way think she should have to change her name to suit the husbands family. I do, however, utterly despise parents giving children double-barrel names: it's tantamount to sending your kids to school with a giant "pick on me, I've pretentious parents" sign on their back.

    (I say this as someone who's daughter has her mothers surname btw)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,055 ✭✭✭Emme


    OP I can't understand why you're so resistant to take your husbands name. You were happy to marry him!

    Why not take his name for joint accounts etc. and if you like have a separate account in your maiden name. Likewise you could keep your maiden name at work and go by your married name with his family.

    I've never been married myself but I reckon some compromise comes into the bargain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I am not taking his name. I like my name, I'm used to it and I've had it for 30 years. I don't want to have to go around filling out forms, which you have to do if you want to change your name. We are two people coming together, our ceremony was where we became married and I'm not less married because I don't take his name, the same way he is not less married because he didn't take mine.

    No one ever asks a man if they have changed their name or presumes they have.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    No you dont have to. No you wont be less married. Use whatever name suits YOU. What you call yourself or your children is your own business. Seriously, just ignore all of it.
    i am me wrote: »
    I don't want to have to go around filling out forms, which you have to do if you want to change your name.

    A little bit off topic - but what forms do you mean? I call myself Mrs Hisname or Ms Hername depending on situation - I use both interchangeably. I was gonna renew my passport in Mrs Hisname whenever the time comes and bit by bit renew other IDs etc... I wasnt aware of any form filling? In this country a womans name legally changes to the married name (IF she wants it to) by usage. Am I missing something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 240 ✭✭elbee


    I don't know why everyone is arguing about whether or not the OP is right to take her husband's name or not. The issue isn't whether she is Mrs HusbandName, Ms OPName or if she changed it by deed poll to Mildred-May-Anna-Blanche.

    The issue is that the OP has made a decision she has every right to make, her husband has agreed with it and his family are failing to respect it. The rights and wrongs of that decision are not the issue - it's not like the OP is harming anyone (some may argue that a double-barrelled name harms kids, which I don't agree with, but the OP has not in fact done this yet even if you do believe it's harmful).

    OP, I think this is one for your husband to tackle. It doesn't need to be a big confrontation, but I think if he said to them 'I'm fine with it, and you're all being really, really rude' it might help. Arguing the rights and wrongs will probably never work (people get very attached to traditions) but I find that if you point out to someone that, regardless of how noble they feel their motive is, their behaviour is rude, ignorant and inconsiderate, they usually stay quiet.

    Basically this isn't about your name. It's about them not having any manners. Your name happens to be the area of your life where this has become an issue, because they feel strongly about it, but the fact is that they need to behave like adults and not spoilt children who can't have what they want. Unfortunately OP, I think it will have to come from your husband.

    Good luck!


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    I personally would use humour to get my point across:
    • If he says "Howya Mrs.Hisname" you reply "Howya back at ya, Mr. Random surname!" (the sillier the better - use different ones each time - ever see Dr.Cox on Scrubs call his interns random made up names rather than their own) with a big smile.
    • or look around for your mother-in-law and call her over saying "Mary, Michael wants ya!"
    • or smile sweetly and say "Michael, no need to be so formal, you can call me Susan"
    • tease him and say that you wear the trousers so your husband is getting the name change, not you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    trio wrote: »
    At family weddings, I occasionally find myself down on the Table Plan as "X HisName".

    Apparently that's wedding etiquette. All married women are supposed to be called by their husband's name on the day, regardless of what they prefer.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    iguana wrote: »
    Apparently that's wedding etiquette. All married women are supposed to be called by their husband's name on the day, regardless of what they prefer.

    Thats probably to identify the poor forlorn single spinsters that the aunties can pester about being left on the shelf :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭uch


    Tell him to like it or píss off, when your kids are eventually born he will come scurrying back

    21/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Sleepy wrote: »
    I in no way think she should have to change her name to suit the husbands family. I do, however, utterly despise parents giving children double-barrel names: it's tantamount to sending your kids to school with a giant "pick on me, I've pretentious parents" sign on their back.

    (I say this as someone who's daughter has her mothers surname btw)

    That is your issue and I don't see how you stating that is helpful to the OP.

    Bottom line your father in law is not respecting you and your right to make your own choices and it seems that the family members are following his lead.

    What they are doing is rude and childish trying to browbeat you by insisting on calling you
    Mrs Hisname.

    If I had people doing that to me I would not pander to them or want to associate with them, they need to know that how they are treating you is not acceptable and it is your husband who should tell them and if they call you that name then you should both get up and leave. Having a united front and not putting up with the bullying and calling it as that won't be easy but sometimes that is what it takes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    My husband didn't want me to take his name at all - me, I couldn't care less but he particularly liked my surname and insists it suits me etc etc so I never bothered officially changing it. If people want to call me Mrs blah that's grand and if others know me as Ms Whatdoicare that's grand too. After the initial combined cheque stage of chaos is over it never really comes up. I chop and change to suit myself, if anyone asks I just tell them it was too complicated to change all my accounts and and leave it at that. TBH it never really comes up in conversation all that often.
    Let the old man call you whatever, it really has no affect on anything - who cares. Kids will take his name, I want that, no big deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I'll be getting married in a few weeks...

    I'll be keeping my name, and the OH is not too bothered either way. Any kids will have his name.

    I don't particularly care what his family or anybody else thinks. At the end of the day, it's none of their business who my bank accounts are registered to, and what name is on my passport. If they start kicking up a fuss over and have problems with it - that's their problem and not mine. Once the OH and I are happy and on the same side about the whole thing, then it's nobody else's business but ours.

    Stop engaging them on it OP, you're just adding fuel to their fire.Let them talk on about it and sooner or later they'll give up when they realise it's falling on deaf ears. It's none of their business, and that's the bottom line on the whole thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Ophiopogon


    I have a double barrel name (maternal first) although I use the first and drop the second. My mother didn't take my fathers name, my sister did...so basicly I've a family of different names for personal reasons. It has never caused me any embarrassment or problems of any sort. Its not a complication its just a bloody name at the end of the day

    I've only ever had a couple of people ever raise an eyebrow when they call me my fathers name and I correct them other than that generally I don't think anyone really cares.

    Op whenever anyone calls you your husband name just clearly say no its "ms Op" don't ignore it and don't shout it, just this is what I want you to call me.

    I don't have to explain myself or my name to anyone neither does anyone else, It's just petty to have an issue with this IMO.


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