Endgame for Gaddafi as rebels enter Tripoli

darkman2

AFP reporting that rebels have entered the Libyan capital. Speculation is that this could be over within hours rather then days for Gaddafi. He says he will not flee the country. So he either faces capture or death. Could it happen as early as tonight?

I wonder if the amazonian guards will actually have to fight..

Inverse to the power of one!

End of a tyrant, a beautiful but sombre moment in history.

Cya Muammar, the world of fashionable dictatorships will miss you dearly now that only Kim Jong Ill is left to carry the torch.

Alopex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IOj-MHE-v4

The nato invasion is a disgrace. Libyans gonna be far worse off if the rebels take power

Biggins

Apparently they have reached near the center now and Gadaffi's soldiers are running away a great deal.

Sky is reporting live and state "they have encountered (so far) no resistance".

meglome

Alopex wrote: »

The nato invasion is a disgrace. Libyans gonna be far worse off if the rebels take power

I wasn't aware NATO was invading. I think the mistake here is you're listening to RT, up there with Fox news.

mike65

Anyone who quotes Russia Today loses the argument, as said its as objective as Fox News (or Press TV).

Robert Fisk was sneering (with that tone of his) on the radio during the week about the rebels advance, clearly he isn't too much bothered about research. They have the wind at their back as they take control of the regimes own arms. It'll be interesting to discover where Gaddafi actually is, some seem to think he is already way down in the south ready to exit into Mali or Niger, one imagines he'll not be willing to go down fighting but shall seek to scuttle away to somewhere like Iran, an obscure "stan" where he can pay off the local government or maybe his friend in Venezuela

Jonny7

Very skeptical about this, so much pro-rebel propaganda, but jesus they are really taking the city

We'll see in the morning, the rebels are being welcomed, civilians lining the streets, waving flags.

Aljazeera coverage
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/2007829161423657345.html

IamtheWalrus

Unconfirmed reports say Gadaffi has been shot dead. Twitter.

efb

Sky News is where it's at folks - Alex Crawford in Tripoli with live footage

mike65

The BBC are having their asses kicked by SKY.

murpho999

mike65 wrote: »

The BBC are having their asses kicked by SKY.

Absolutely, hate watching Sky but BBC have no pictures, just bad phone calls.

CNN also have a guy standing in hotel corridor and is afraid to go outside:rolleyes:

Why though in this technology age are the pictures such bad quality?

murpho999

Alopex wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IOj-MHE-v4

The nato invasion is a disgrace. Libyans gonna be far worse off if the rebels take power

This "report" is absolutely shocking. Don't bother with reporting any real news and just promote personal bias and Russia's anti-western outlook.

Totally shocking.

A couple of years ago i was stuck with this station in foreign hotel and I could not believe the stuff they were saying.

Sponge Bob

Al Jazeera are broadcasting live from Green Square in Tripoli now so game over.

BBC and SKY are inside a hotel somewhere

Corsendonk

Saif Gaddafi reported detained by the ICC so one Gaddafi family member at least will be on trial. If I was a cynical rebel/Nato leader I might arrange for Gadadafi daughter not to be captured alive as she seems very capable of causing difficulties in any trial.

Sunnyisland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14611549

Heavy fighting is taking place in Tripoli around the compound of embattled Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi after rebels seized control of much of the city on Sunday.

Throughout the night, jubilant crowds remained in central Green Square, previously the scene of nightly pro-Gaddafi demonstrations.

Rebels met little resistance as they swept in from east, south and west.

A rebel spokesman says pro-Gaddafi forces still control 15-20% of Tripoli.

The rebels also said they had captured Col Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam, but there is no word of the colonel's whereabouts.

efb

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Al Jazeera are broadcasting live from Green Square in Tripoli now so game over.

BBC and SKY are inside a hotel somewhere

Sky's Alex Crawford was in the midst of the rebels as they advanced on the city centre.

Judgement Day

Hopefully "Mad Dog" will go out in a blaze of glory. I suppose it will be the usual shambles after regime change. :rolleyes:

SamHarris

murpho999 wrote: »

Absolutely, hate watching Sky but BBC have no pictures, just bad phone calls.

CNN also have a guy standing in hotel corridor and is afraid to go outside:rolleyes:

Why though in this technology age are the pictures such bad quality?

Not surprised considering what happened to that reporter last time they were in a square where people were celebrating. Actually didnt it happen more than once? Repeated attacks on Westerners in the area, off the top of my head Anderson Cooper was beaten up and that woman was raped/sexually assualted.

Well good for the people of Libya, it's shocking how many comments on the left wing sites there are - some directly supporting Gadaffi and his fight against "Imperialism" and nearly all attacking NATO for intervening...

Question of what happens now will be interesting.

Balmed Out

Libyan state television presenter holding a gun and saying she and other staffers are ready to become martyrs to defend the station as anti-Gaddafi forces close in on Tripoli.


TRANSLATION: AL Jazeera translation of video: "With this weapon, I either kill or die today, you will not take al-Libiyah channel. You won't take Jamahiriyah channel, Shababiyah channel, Tripoli or all of Libya, and even those without a weapon are willing to be a shield in order to protect their colleagues at this channel. We are willing to become martyrs."

Amazing to see such misplaced and passionate loyalty

ei.sdraob

Balmed Out wrote: »

Amazing to see such misplaced and passionate loyalty

Who is to say there wasnt a gun pointing at her from outside the camera shot

Zubeneschamali

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Who is to say there wasnt a gun pointing at her from outside the camera shot

Or maybe it's just an act, and as soon as the rebels arrive, it'll be all change and out with the new flags.

norrie rugger

She will be welcoming her new insect overlords soon enough

loldog

Alopex wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IOj-MHE-v4

Comical Lizzie. :rolleyes:

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the_syco

Balmed Out wrote: »

Amazing to see such misplaced and passionate loyalty

Saw an interview with her and Sky. Alot of what they asked her, she was totally unaware of, so I'm thinking the "news station" is being told what to say, as opposed to reporting what they find. Which, in such a country, as usually how state TV is.

bk

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Al Jazeera are broadcasting live from Green Square in Tripoli now so game over.

BBC and SKY are inside a hotel somewhere

Sky's Alex Crawford was in Green Square about two hours prior to Al Jazeera.

Amazing coverage by Alex, she was really in the thick of it, she will probably win a couple of awards for that.

This really shows the truth of the situation, the vast majority of people of Libyans wanted freedom from Gaddafi. It really shows up some of the bias of some people here and in the media with all their anti-nato talk.

Sometimes the west does really stupid things (Iraq), but sometimes they do the right thing to and this is definitely a case of that. People need to learn to analysis each situation and not just assume anything Nato and the west is involved in is immediately bad.

Obelisk

Gaddafi speaks;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkB2AD2zNHE

"In an audio message broadcast on State TV, Muammar Gaddafi makes a desperate call to his supporters to come out and fight rebels on the streets of Tripoli."

digme

darkman2 wrote: »

AFP reporting that rebels have entered the Libyan capital. Speculation is that this could be over within hours rather then days for Gaddafi. He says he will not flee the country. So he either faces capture or death. Could it happen as early as tonight?

is this x factor?
Thank god for sky news selling another invasion to the people at home sitting on their couches....

Judgement Day

digme wrote: »

is this x factor?
Thank god for sky news selling another invasion to the people at home sitting on their couches....

Whatever about the X Factor there is a certain satisfaction for many of us in seeing yet another despot bite the dust.

digme

Judgement Day wrote: »

Whatever about the X Factor there is a certain satisfaction for many of us in seeing yet another despot bite the dust.

The same feeling when you collect all the rings on sonic the hedgehog?That sort of satisfaction?

HellsAngel

Maybe Gaddafi's old friends will come to help him ??

"The dirty secret of British arms sales to Libya " -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1373444/Libya-The-dirty-secret-UK-arms-sales-Gaddafi.html#ixzz1VlOa4FDm

Overheal

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Who is to say there wasnt a gun pointing at her from outside the camera shot

Or maybe she's honest.

Talking about a foreign country here. And by foreign I mean to you and meL alien in many respects. What the people in those countries do and believe will not always fit your narrative.

GSF

digme wrote: »

Thank god for sky news selling another invasion to the people at home sitting on their couches....

An invasion by the people who already live there. How does that work then?

Obelisk

GSF wrote: »

An invasion by the people who already live there. How does that work then?

Like this???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MspOQNhUo

Twenty-two nations and five international organizations have met in Rome to discuss how to end the Libyan crisis. The meeting pledged to create a special fund worth millions of US dollars to help Libyan rebels.

It's the group's second meeting to help FUND the Libyan rebels who are short of cash.

Mahmoud Shamam, Libyan Rebel Spokesman, said, "We're looking for something between two to three billion dollars."

goose2005

Balmed Out wrote: »

Libyan state television presenter holding a gun and saying she and other staffers are ready to become martyrs to defend the station as anti-Gaddafi forces close in on Tripoli.


TRANSLATION: AL Jazeera translation of video: "With this weapon, I either kill or die today, you will not take al-Libiyah channel. You won't take Jamahiriyah channel, Shababiyah channel, Tripoli or all of Libya, and even those without a weapon are willing to be a shield in order to protect their colleagues at this channel. We are willing to become martyrs."

Amazing to see such misplaced and passionate loyalty

I would actually pay my license fee to see Charlie Bird do the same.

Judgement Day

digme wrote: »

The same feeling when you collect all the rings on sonic the hedgehog?That sort of satisfaction?

Sorry, I'm 52 so that's over my head. A satisfied feeling like when I heard on Christmas Day 1989 that the evil monster Ceausescu and his wife had been executed.

RonMexico

EDIT: Hala Misrati, the female news presenter has been captured by the rebels.

BlaasForRafa

goose2005 wrote: »

I would actually pay my license fee to see Charlie Bird do the same.

Yeah, can't imagine Anne Doyle doing something like that lol

Judgement Day

As I wait for news of Gadaffi's termination I can't but remember how FF and Charlie Haughey in particular were great buddies with all these despots - Saddam, Murburak and now Gadaffi. There has been such a tidal wave of corruption over recent years that it's easy to forget the way that Irish (and other) politicians were feted by these mass murderers - it's not just these despots that need rounding up.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20100110/ai_n45917707/



I couldn't find a pic of an Irish politician cosying up to these scumbags but since Blair boasts Irish roots he will have to do. Which of them is worse the dictator or the 'democrat' who keeps them in power before dispatching his ill equipped armed forces to deal with them? :mad:

astrofool

Judgement Day wrote: »

As I wait for news of Gadaffi's termination I can't but remember how FF and Charlie Haughey in particular were great buddies with all these despots - Saddam, Murburak and now Gadaffi. There has been such a tidal wave of corruption over recent years that it's easy to forget the way that Irish (and other) politicians were feted by these mass murderers - it's not just these despots that need rounding up.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20100110/ai_n45917707/



I couldn't find a pic of an Irish politician cosying up to these scumbags but since Blair boasts Irish roots he will have to do. Which of them is worse the dictator or the 'democrat' who keeps them in power before dispatching his ill equipped armed forces to deal with them? :mad:

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Duke Leonal Felmet

I hear Chavez is backing Gaddafi.

Gas fella.

ardmacha

I hear Chavez is backing Gaddafi.

Gas fella.

Oil too.

Duke Leonal Felmet

ardmacha wrote: »

Oil too.

He is consistent, though. You have to give him that.

AlekSmart

Duke Leonal Felmet wrote: »

He is consistent, though. You have to give him that.

Well he better put a sock in it,unless he wants to become number 1974 in the U.N.'s resolution list.. !!

AlekSmart

Judgement Day wrote: »

Sorry, I'm 52 so that's over my head. A satisfied feeling like when I heard on Christmas Day 1989 that the evil monster Ceausescu and his wife had been executed.

The last few hours of this odd-couples lives are the stuff of modern history sure nuff.

Just watching his expression as the crowd jeer his offer of more benefits,as if to buy them off,is sobering stuff.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/401462/ceausescus_execution/

Some of my Romanian colleagues tell me that one of the reasons for the summary execution was the senior military figures needing to prevent the Ceaucescu's from naming too many leading figures.

Many of these Romanians say that the many senior Ceaucescu aides had little difficulty slipping into the New- Romanian slippers and carrying on regardless....

Some also say that Elena was the trouser-wearer,seeing oul Nic as being too soft and needing to grow a pair.

Still,as Judgement Days go..Christmas day 1989 was a corker....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY_cWGmfOrg

One wonders if 22 years later will we see similar justice being dispensed in Tripoli ?

Iwannahurl

Image already being circulated on YouTube allegedly showing Gaddafi shot dead.

No confirmatory reports from any reputable and reliable news source though, so could be fake.

cyberhog

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi re-emerges and claims his father is safe and well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14626202

cyberhog

Libyan rebels reported to be retreating from Tripoli.

as night fell on Tripoli, it was unclear whether anyone could be said to be in control. Many of the rebel fighters who had surged triumphantly into the capital the night before retreated to Zawiyah, the town from which they had begun their advance the day before, seemingly spooked by the prevalence of loyalist snipers on rooftops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/world-leaders-call-on-gaddafi-to-surrender-libyan-rebels-secure-most-of-tripoli/2011/08/22/gIQAN4wyVJ_story_1.html

Iwannahurl

cyberhog wrote: »

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi re-emerges and claims his father is safe and well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14626202

Looking remarkably happy, it must be said.

The Saint

cyberhog wrote: »

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi re-emerges and claims his father is safe and well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14626202

Shame. Would have been nice to see him in the dock in the Hague. Hopefully they'll get him and daddy and hand them over to the ICC.

AlekSmart

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Looking remarkably happy, it must be said.

Talk about strangely strange....

From the images being shown on our TV News bulletins there is quite obviously another side to whats developing in Libya.

Yet again the accepted UN/NATO logic that great swathes of Libyan people were only waiting in the wings to rise up and brush the Gadaffi's from their tenuous grip on power appears to be slightly wide of the mark.

It's the details that strike me,such as Gadaffi the younger not wearing a Flak-Jacket or helmet even though he is travelling in an armoured vehicle.

Then he stands out under street lighting and makes his impassioned speech to-camera...

Then his brother conducts a mobile phone interview as the debt-collectors are a-knockin on his door....

Sheesh,for a thoroughly despised,despotic and lunatic fambly,this crowd are sure cutting a dash......or maybe,just maybe this here revolution is only Popular..ish at the moment,cos Young Gadaffi certainly appeared popular enough on his drive-around ?

Like I've said,the Gadaffi's rule is OVER.

However to my mind it;s still open for discussion as to whether the UN/NATO alliance and the sterling contribution of our nearest neighbours is the major factor,rather than the Libyan people themselves...unprompted ?

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/africa/libya-how-britianrsquos-military-chiefs-secretly-helped-rebels-to-topple-tripoli-2854920.html

When one sees the admitted involvement of some of the...erm...more reclusive agencies then one can see a certain path emerging...

MI6 officers based in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi had honed battle plans drawn up by Libya’s Transitional National Council (TNC) which were agreed 10 weeks ago.

The constantly-updated tactical advice provided by British experts to the rebel leaders centred on the need to spark a fresh uprising within Tripoli that could be used as the cue for fighters to advance on the city.

It must be just like being back in Aden again for the older F.O hands ....?

On the ground, meanwhile, the rebels sent out mass text messages to regime opponents waiting in Tripoli for a signal to rise up, and as Gaddafi’s forces tried in vain to suppress the revolt it spread out across 13 suburbs.

Crikey,just as Gadaffi the younger sez in his TV interview....but I thought he only tells lies...?

David Cameron's quote is tellingly true...

Speaking outside Number 10, he paid tribute to the “incredible bravery, professionalism and dedication” of the RAF pilots, adding: “This has not been our revolution, but we can be proud that we have played our part.”

You can put that to music Davy,but the UK and it's Allies sure made it your Revolution,a tactic not without a risk of ongoing difficulties as time progresses.

Time will tell I'm sure.