Who's on the plane?

grohlisagod

Just wanted to get people's opinions on who is traveling to New Zealand as well as who you feel should go.
My 2 cents
Forwards- Healy, Court, Ross, Buckley (I rather see Hayes go though), Flannery, Best, Cronin

DOC, POC, Cullen, Ryan,

O' Brien, Ferris, Wallace, Jennings(should go probably won't), Heaslip, Leamy (he will definitely go, don't think he deserves it though)


Backs- Reddan, O' Leary (don't think he should after playing poorly for about 18 months, but he will), Murray
Sexton, ROG, D'arcy, BOD, Wallace (Mcfadden probably should)

Bowe, Earls, Trimble, Kearney, Jones(if fit), Fitzgerald (by the skin of his teeth).

ScummyMan

Reckon Earls is touch and go after todays shocker.

tolosenc

Who I think should go, and who I think will go are increasingly divergent lists of players.

corny

Just heard on RTE there that Geordan Murphy and John Hayes were told a week ago that they're not travelling.

tolosenc

corny wrote: »

Just heard on RTE there that Geordan Murphy and John Hayes were told a week ago that they're not travelling.

Well, if Jones broke his ankle, Geordan may yet go.

CIARAN_BOYLE

corny wrote: »

Just heard on RTE there that Geordan Murphy and John Hayes were told a week ago that they're not travelling.

The Geordan Murphy thing is based on a tweet he made a few days ago, the obese lady has opened her vocal chords. I assumed that he hadn't been told that he wasn't going to go but rather that he felt Jones inclusion today meant that he wouldn't go.

laugh

Has Boss not come on and made massive impacts for the European champions?

Cosmo Kramer

Here's my prediction so I can check it on Monday:

Healy
Court
Buckley
Ross

Cronin
Best
Flannery

DOC
POC
Cullen
Ryan

Leamy
Ferris
SOB
Wallace
Heaslip

Reddan
Boss
TOL

Sexton
ROG

Wallace,
D'arcy
BOD
McFadden

Earls
Bowe
Trimble

Kearney
Fitzgerald

One caveat - if Jones makes it I think it would be McFadden to drop out.

Its about the most conservative selection possible.

thomond2006

Man.UnitedLad wrote: »

Reckon Earls is touch and go after todays shocker.

He's a certainty. Didn't see the game myself but that would have been his first bad game in a good while (playing on the wing).

durkadurka

Kidney had about 27 of his squad picked 3 months ago.

bossa_nova

thomond2006 wrote: »

He's a certainty. Didn't see the game myself but that would have been his first bad game in a good while (playing on the wing).

Earls really played a mare of a game, it was like he was forbidden to kick the ball, and he looked poor with ball in hand rather than his usual kick over the top. Maybe he thought his spot at 11 was a certainty for trimble and tired to show he could do strong running game too. Whatever it was he played a woeful game, doesn't help him that Fitzy made 2 lovely breaks when he came on

chancer12

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble. Trimble should and will do but others should be given equal opportunity to show their ability. Kidney always has his 'pets'.


O'Leary was a joke, would see more ability at schools level. He shouldn't be on the plane, Reddan is infinitely better but again it doesn't seem to matter how awful he is Kidney sticks by him .... same as with Paddy Wallace!

Fitz played really well when he came on for Jones. He's a quality player and seems to have his Mojo back. Tho' I think Schmidt gets more out of him than Kidney.

Could we have a new coach plse?

bossa_nova

chancer12 wrote: »

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble. Trimble should and will do but others should be given equal opportunity to show their ability. Kidney always has his 'pets'.

I know its harsh that he's been moved around but Trimble is not really one of Deccies pets. i'd wager on Trimble being omitted in favour of Bowe and Earls/Fitz, which would be a shame since Trimble has been one of, if not the best player for us in the last 4 games

twinytwo

As i said months ago assuming no injury...Our starting 15 will be

Healy
Flannery
Ross
DOC
POC
SOB
Wallace
Heaslip
Reddan
Sexton
Earls
Darcy
Drico
Bowe
Kearney

the only possible exceptions to this atm are bowe,flannery and reddan. as kidney could go with trimble(depending if bowe is fit or not) , best if flannery isnt fit.. and fecking TOL:mad:.

Murphy has to travel now there are no other FB's

twinytwo

chancer12 wrote: »

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble. Trimble should and will do but others should be given equal opportunity to show their ability. Kidney always has his 'pets'.


O'Leary was a joke, would see more ability at schools level. He shouldn't be on the plane, Reddan is infinitely better but again it doesn't seem to matter how awful he is Kidney sticks by him .... same as with Paddy Wallace!

Fitz played really well when he came on for Jones. He's a quality player and seems to have his Mojo back. Tho' I think Schmidt gets more out of him than Kidney.

Could we have a new coach plse?

You cant base that on 20/30 mins of one game

Tomtom364

Squad i think DK will go with. My own choices are in brackets where different.

Healy, Ross, Court, Buckly (Hayes)
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Ryan
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace
Reddan, TOL (Boss), Murray
ROG, Sexton, Wallace (McFadden)
Darcy, BOD
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Jones/Murphy, Kearney

Taco Corp

twinytwo wrote: »

You cant base that on 20/30 mins of one game

Not much choice is squad announcement is early next week

Digifriendly

That's 3x France have beaten Ireland this year. They really seem to have a pyschological edge on the men in green. Any reason(s) why?

cuddlycavies

Any update Felix Jones?

thomond2006

Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, McCarthy
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, TOL, Murray/Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, Wallace
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

Taco Corp

thomond2006 wrote: »

Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, McCarthy
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, TOL, Murray/Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, Wallace
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

Get of the fence thomond!! Murray or Boss?

I reckon he'll bring Boss. Too big a call for Kidney to bring Murray.

Phonehead

If TOL makes it after todays nightmare... well it's curtains as no doubt he will be number 1 or 2 in teh pecking order.

phog

chancer12 wrote: »

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble. Trimble should and will do but others should be given equal opportunity to show their ability. Kidney always has his 'pets'.


O'Leary was a joke, would see more ability at schools level. He shouldn't be on the plane, Reddan is infinitely better but again it doesn't seem to matter how awful he is Kidney sticks by him .... same as with Paddy Wallace!

Fitz played really well when he came on for Jones. He's a quality player and seems to have his Mojo back. Tho' I think Schmidt gets more out of him than Kidney.

Could we have a new coach plse?

Great breaks from him but the one pass that he needed to make was absolute sh*te, saying that I think he'll travel.

CouchSmart

Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley

Best, Cronin, Fla

POC, DOC, Cullen, Ryan

Heaslip, SOB, Wallace, Ferris, Leamy

Reddan, TOL, Boss

Sexton, ROG

BOD, D'Arcy, Wallace

Bowe, Kearney, Trimble, Fitz, Earls, Murphy

Might be McFadden instead of Murphy but after this year's 6N without a fullback Deccie would be a fool to only travel with Kearney. This is assuming Jones is out.

grohlisagod

thomond2006 wrote: »

Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, McCarthy
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, TOL, Murray/Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, Wallace
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

Can't see McCarthy going. If he was he'd have gotten more than 5 minutes today.

durkadurka

My predction. Not my choice. Assuming jones is injured.


Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Ryan
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, TOL, Murray
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, Wallace
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney


My choice
Healy, Ross, Court, Hayes
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Mcloughlin
SOB, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, Murray, Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, McFadden
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

Phonehead

durkadurka wrote: »

My predction. Not my choice. Assuming jones is injured.

My choice
Healy, Ross, Court, Hayes
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Mcloughlin
SOB, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, Murray, Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, McFadden
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

Agree 100% with this

gcgirl

durkadurka wrote: »

My predction. Not my choice. Assuming jones is injured.


Healy, Ross, Court, Buckley
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Ryan
SOB, Ferris, Leamy, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, TOL, Murray
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, Wallace
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney


My choice
Healy, Ross, Court, Hayes
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Mcloughlin
SOB, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, Murray, Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, McFadden
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

exactly player for player who would be on my plane to NZ

Paparazzo

Talk of Earls not going is quite frankly mental. If you're going on form then Luke Fitz shouldn't be going, he had some shockingly bad games last season. Today he was good, but nothing amazing.
TOL would stay at home. Stringer deserves it more than him. Not just on todays performance either.
A few players really need to sort themselves out. Darce, looking at you.
Great to see flannery back, almost forgot what he's capable of.

vinny chase

I don't understand the Felix Jones hype. He's a good player, but he hasn't done enough to deserve to be in the reckoning here. Injury or not, Geordan Murphy should be ahead of him.

Despite the nonsense from George Hook, Luke Fitzgerald is a more complete player than Keith Earls, and should be ahead of him. I think both will be selected though.

My 30 (who I think he'll select):

Healy
Ross
Court
Buckley
Best
Flannery
Cronin
O'Callaghan
O'Connell
Cullen
Ryan
O'Brien
Wallace
Jennings
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan
Boss
O'Leary
Sexton
O'Gara
P. Wallace
Fitzgerald
Bowe
Trimble
McFadden
O'Driscoll
d'Arcy
Kearney
Murphy (assuming Jones can't make it)

Personally, I'd have Stringer in there ahead of O'Leary. Also, don't understand why Jamie Hagan didn't get a chance in the last couple of games to show what he could have brought at tight head. Heaven help us if Tony Buckley has to play in the WC.

cython

chancer12 wrote: »

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble. Trimble should and will do but others should be given equal opportunity to show their ability. Kidney always has his 'pets'.

I don't agree with the bolded. Yes, Kidney has switched his position, but this has been done at Munster too. Earls has also said in the past that he would like to replace BOD on the latter's retirement, but he's going to have to prove himself in that position to do that, as just because he can do it for Munster doesn't mean he can step up to international there. Kidney putting him at centre could have been his chance to do that, and unfortunately for him, I don't feel he succeeded. As for Trimble being shown favouritism by Kidney, there is no basis for that statement whatsoever. He has played out of his skin on the wing this year to stake a claim for his position and starting spot, having only got a look in through injuries. In contrast, if a player is really favoured by Kidney *cough*TOL*cough* they can come straight back from injury and hold their spot regardless of what standard of game they play.

vinny chase

cython wrote: »

I don't agree with the bolded. Yes, Kidney has switched his position, but this has been done at Munster too. Earls has also said in the past that he would like to replace BOD on the latter's retirement, but he's going to have to prove himself in that position to do that, as just because he can do it for Munster doesn't mean he can step up to international there. Kidney putting him at centre could have been his chance to do that, and unfortunately for him, I don't feel he succeeded. As for Trimble being shown favouritism by Kidney, there is no basis for that statement whatsoever. He has played out of his skin on the wing this year to stake a claim for his position and starting spot, having only got a look in through injuries. In contrast, if a player is really favoured by Kidney *cough*TOL*cough* they can come straight back from injury and hold their spot regardless of what standard of game they play.

Fully agree. Trimble has been excellent for Ireland since the England game in the 6N. Thought he deserved his shot earlier in the 6N too. He seems to have gotten a little bit quicker and better on his feet over the past year or so, and has definitely developed a little more of a sidestep. His appetite for work is tremendous, and his ability to make the huge hits is great. His big smash on Chris Ashton in the 6N really laid down a marker in that game. He'll still occasionally struggle in terms of positioning in defence, but he 100% deserves to be on the plane, and probably to start at the moment alongside a hopefully fully fit Tommy Bowe.

bamboozle

Paparazzo wrote: »

Talk of Earls not going is quite frankly mental. If you're going on form then Luke Fitz shouldn't be going, he had some shockingly bad games last season. Today he was good, but nothing amazing.
TOL would stay at home. Stringer deserves it more than him. Not just on todays performance either.
A few players really need to sort themselves out. Darce, looking at you.
Great to see flannery back, almost forgot what he's capable of.

if going on form Leamy, Ryan, Ronan, Buckley, TOL would have not had any game time in these warm up games (McAllister, Hagan, Coughlan deserved runs ahead of them). Form seems to mean little to Kidney.

Darcy played his first match yesterday since recovering from a broken arm, i thought he looked better than BOD, but they both need game time.
i think both earls and fitz should go, i think they are both great talents, fitz's form has been patchy since being rushed back from his knee injury, earls form has been ok but i fear he lacks the physicality for top level rugby and spills too much ball in contact. Paddy Wallace should be left at home and Jones showed nothing yesterday prior to his unfortunate injury to nudge him ahead of Murphy.

the one player who has no form to prove himself but has to start for us in WC is Flannery, we look so much a better pack when he's on the pitch.

Big Nelly

My choices

Healy, Ross, Court, Hayes

Best, Cronin, Flannary

POC, DOC, Cullen, Ryan

Heaslip, SOB, Wallace, Ferris, Jennings

Reddan, TOL, Murray

Sexton, ROG

BOD, D'Arcy, McFadden

Bowe, Kearney, Trimble, Fitz, Earls, Murphy

Based on Felix Jones been out, the face on him yesterday told me he was out and he knew it

ironingbored

My 30 man squad (starters vs. Australia in bold)

Healy
Court
Flannery
Best
Cronin
Ross
Hayes
POC
DOC
Cullen
MOD
Jennings
Wallace
SOB
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan
Boss
Murray
Sexton
O'Gara
BOD
Darcy
McFadden
Trimble
Bowe
Fitzgerald
Earls
Kearney
Murphy (assuming Jones doesn't travel)

TOL should not be on the plane under any circumstances.

Hard on Paddy Wallace but I think McFadden is more versatile and has had a very good season.

Jennings wasn't great yesterday but Leamy offers nothing going forward and struggles to get into the Munster back row. Jennings has had a great season and we need a out and out 7 in NZ.

Big Nelly

ironingbored wrote: »

Hard on Paddy Wallace but I think McFadden is more versatile and has had a very good season.

Paddy Wallace offers nothing to the team. McFadden is a better player and will offer a lot more.

Thanos

Seems Felix Jones is out now, ligament damage, that is sad for him.
wonder how that will affect DK thinking.

yogidc26

Thanos wrote: »

Seems Felix Jones is out now, ligiment damage, that is sad for him.
wonder how that will affect DK thinking.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2011/0821/jonesf_ireland.html

jaansu

I suppose Murphy and Kearny will go then

Eoin

Thanos wrote: »

Seems Felix Jones is out now, ligament damage, that is sad for him.
wonder how that will affect DK thinking.

Very disappointed for Felix; he has had very bad luck with injuries.

tolosenc

thomond2006 wrote: »

He's a certainty. Didn't see the game myself but that would have been his first bad game in a good while (playing on the wing).

In fairness, he wasn't exactly great against France in the 1st match.

durkadurka wrote: »

My choice
Healy, Ross, Court, Hayes
Flannery, Best, Cronin
DOC, POC, Cullen, Mcloughlin
SOB, Ferris, Jennings, Heaslip, Wallace

Reddan, Murray, Boss
ROG, Sexton
Darcy, BOD, McFadden
Earls, Trimble, Bowe, Fitzgerald
Murphy, Kearney

29 of my 30.

durkadurka

Bit of gossip on twitter suggesting TOL dropped!

Thanos

durkadurka wrote: »

Bit of gossip on twitter suggesting TOL dropped!

I'll believe it when i see it, or dont see it (his name on the list) as the case may be!

thomond2006

At least Jone's injury isn't a (very) long term one like the last two, won't be too much comfort to him right now of course.

durkadurka

Murphy had terrible luck in 2003 when he was on top of his game.
I suppose Your luck evens out.

skregs

chancer12 wrote: »

Agree that Earls had a total shocker today but feel sorry for him, think Kidney has treated him badly, switching his position and showing such favouritism towards Trimble.

Earls thinks he's an outside centre, and reckons he can cover FB. He gets switched around in Munster all the time, but mostly its due to him not wanting to be a winger. If he'd stay on the wing and stop constantly stepping back inside when he has the ball, he'd be a much better player.
And Andrew Trimble had never been favourably treated over ANYONE by Declan Kidney. The man fully deserves to start over Earls and Fitzgerald.

athtrasna

Anyone else here the rumours about TOL being dropped? Saw it on Twitter and hoping beyond hope it's true.

Big Nelly

athtrasna wrote: »

Anyone else here the rumours about TOL being dropped? Saw it on Twitter and hoping beyond hope it's true.

No chance, would love if it happened but I cant see it happening

Hagz

I would seriously respect Kidney a lot more if he did make that decision. Not that I have a serious agenda against TOL, but this close to the RWC, if you don't prove you're worth a spot, then you shouldn't go.

danthefan

Hagz wrote: »

I would seriously respect Kidney a lot more if he did make that decision. Not that I have a serious agenda against TOL, but this close to the RWC, if you don't prove you're worth a spot, then you shouldn't go.

Absolutely.

bossa_nova

Hagz wrote: »

I would seriously respect Kidney a lot more if he did make that decision. Not that I have a serious agenda against TOL, but this close to the RWC, if you don't prove you're worth a spot, then you shouldn't go.

Agree completely