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THE HOUR OF OUR TIME

  • 18-08-2011 1:45pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭


    The definitive documentary on the life and death of Milton William Cooper.

    Surrounding us in our day to day lives are mysteries, that to spend our days pondering would paralyze us from leading productive lives. So we turn away from these thoughts in order to see out as trouble free an existence as we can.

    Then there are those who have made it their business to explore and expose these mysteries : to remind us of what we already know on some deep subconscious level, that things are rarely what they seem on the surface. Bill Cooper was such a man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,729 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    From the Charter
    This is not your personal blog. If you're not interested in discussing what it is that you post, then you probably shouldn't be posting it.

    Please give your own opinions on the video in future when starting a thread. This is a discussion forum. Discuss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Would anyone like to discuss Bill Cooper? Great researcher...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Its fine, until he gets to the point of obsession tying aliens into everything, including revolutions etc.

    Articulate man, the sighting is plausible, the coverup is very plausible (CIA in the 50's and 60's), the rest quickly turns nonsensical fare typically dished out by cult leader types.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    The reason he was so interested in aliens, apart from that sighting was related to documents he had seen while he was a naval intelligence officer.

    He changed his opinion over time, as he belived that he was being misled intentionally and that UFO's are not of extraterrestrial origin, but advancedsecret goverment technology being tested and utilised.
    (The likely explanation, another government hoax)

    He was no cult leader, unless you consider the patriot movement a cult...

    This was an ok presentation on his life, but nothing compared to his radio shows. That's where the real information was, stuff that would blow your mind!

    I was very sad watching this, Bill Cooper was the real deal make no mistake.
    This man died for the knowledge he shared wit us, and knew he would too. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    The reason he was so interested in aliens, apart from that sighting was related to documents he had seen while he was a naval intelligence officer.

    He changed his opinion over time, as he belived that he was being misled intentionally and that UFO's are not of extraterrestrial origin, but advancedsecret goverment technology being tested and utilised.
    (The likely explanation, another government hoax)

    He was no cult leader, unless you consider the patriot movement a cult...

    This was an ok presentation on his life, but nothing compared to his radio shows. That's where the real information was, stuff that would blow your mind!

    I was very sad watching this, Bill Cooper was the real deal make no mistake.
    This man died for the knowledge he shared wit us, and knew he would too. :(

    Never said he was a cult leader?

    Unfortunately its never "real information" though is it.

    Weird how its always the US who has all the rights to the UFO conspiracy theories. Russia was more advanced in the space programme in the 50's and early 60's.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Unfortunately its never "real information" though is it.

    Mostly not these days (Alex Jones) but the "real information" is out there.
    Cooper was murdered because that's what he was sharing with us.

    Take this; (as an example)



    AMAZING.

    And still, ten years on people cant figure this one out in their heads...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Wasn't Milton shot because he was resisting arrest for threatening people with a gun, and only after he shot a deputy in the head?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    humanji wrote: »
    Wasn't Milton shot because he was resisting arrest for threatening people with a gun, and only after he shot a deputy in the head?

    That's the official line, but it's all discussed in the documentary above in some detail.
    According to police accounts, members of the Apache County Sheriff's Office deployed several deputies in the area adjacent to Cooper's home in an attempt to draw him from his residence to serve an arrest warrant. After leaving his residence in his vehicle, Cooper confronted plainclothes deputies a short distance away. As Cooper drove back to his residence, sheriff's deputies attempted to stop him using a fully marked patrol vehicle to block the roadway. When the deputies identified themselves, Cooper refused to stop or comply with orders from deputies, then fled back toward his house, drew a handgun, and began shooting. The Sheriff Report claims "After refusing once again to comply with the deputies orders, Cooper exited his vehicle and began running toward the house, firing shots with a handgun toward the deputies", but nowhere in the report did it mention that Cooper only had one leg.

    His death is extremely supicious if you study it. But I suggest that time spent listening to his broadcasts would be far more beneficial overall.
    (Or his book, lectures and interviews)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well from what you posted there it's not that suspcious. And considering he'd threatened to kill anyone who came to arrest him, it's not surprising that he went out in a gunfight.

    As for what he says, I've heard bits and pieces. From claiming he predicted 9/11 (after the fact) to making claims about a secret agenda of the IRS (after he was caught fiddling his taxes), he doesn't strike me as very reliable. It's possible he might genuinely have some good information, but you'd have to sort the wheat from the chaff and there's got to be a more reliable way of getting the info.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    humanji wrote: »
    As for what he says, I've heard bits and pieces. From claiming he predicted 9/11 (after the fact)

    Really? After the fact? I guess we are an disagreement here, just wondering if can you substantiate that statement please?

    Apart from his 'prediction' (which I've posted above already) his broadcast on the day of 911 is well worth a listen too.
    humanji wrote: »
    he doesn't strike me as very reliable.

    You dont strike me as very reliable with from your statement. Just saying :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Really? After the fact? I guess we are an disagreement here, just wondering if can you substantiate that statement please?
    Is there a copy of the statement he made predicting 9/11?
    Obelisk wrote: »
    You dont strike me as very reliable with from your statement. Just saying :pac:
    Care to substantiate that statement?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    humanji wrote: »
    Is there a copy of the statement he made predicting 9/11?

    Yes. Once again, It's in the thread here... I suppose you want me to transcribe it for you?
    humanji wrote: »
    Care to substantiate that statement?

    Snap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Yes. Once again, It's in the thread here... I suppose you want me to transcribe it for you?

    If you don't mind. There's almost 2 hours worth of footage on this thread, so it's a fair amount to trawl through for just one line.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    humanji wrote: »
    If you don't mind. There's almost 2 hours worth of footage on this thread, so it's a fair amount to trawl through for just one line.

    Unfortunately, I dont have time for that at present.

    If you have a full 3 minutes, both the points you are concerned with are here;



    For further clarification on what you are asking me, as I said you should listen to the full broadcasts. Do the reasearch. Dont just take my word for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Mostly not these days (Alex Jones) but the "real information" is out there.
    Cooper was murdered because that's what he was sharing with us.

    Take this; (as an example)



    AMAZING.

    And still, ten years on people cant figure this one out in their heads...

    Cooper is referring to what he has seen "today" on CNN - June 28, 2001
    but isn't he referring to an interview which took place in 1997 with Peter Arnett?



    Then he says a CNN reporter "found" Osama Bin Laden, yet its quite clear that the reporters were contacted by Bin Laden's people and taken across the border under strict controls and secrecy to conduct the interview.

    If he is referring to the '97 interview then keep in mind that is before the embassy bombings (1998) and the attack on the USS Cole (2000)


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I dont have time for that at present.

    If you have a full 3 minutes, both the points you are concerned with are here;

    For further clarification on what you are asking me, as I said you should listen to the full broadcasts. Do the reasearch. Dont just take my word for it.
    That's not exactly a prediction is it?
    It doesn't mention where or when these attacks were going to be, or how they would be carried out.
    The only thing that was predictive was the mention of Osama. But considering he and his group have carried out a ton of attacks on American embassies etc, he wasn't as "unknown" as this guy is making him out to be.

    Furthermore, there's nothing special or extraordinary in his ramblings that would make him a target.

    So what information do you think he was basing this "prediction" on?
    Inside information? Psychic powers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    King Mob wrote: »
    That's not exactly a prediction is it?

    I never called it a prediction, did I?
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Cooper is referring to what he has seen "today" on CNN - June 28, 2001
    but isn't he referring to an interview which took place in 1997 with Peter Arnett

    Then he says a CNN reporter "found" Osama Bin Laden, yet its quite clear that the reporters were contacted by Bin Laden's people and taken across the border under strict controls and secrecy to conduct the interview.

    If he is referring to the '97 interview then keep in mind that is before the embassy bombings (1998) and the attack on the USS Cole (2000)

    I wil review that later on, I suggest that you review some of mine.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    I never called it a prediction, did I?
    Yes you did, as did all of your videos.
    Apart from his 'prediction' (which I've posted above already) his broadcast on the day of 911 is well worth a listen too.

    So what was special about his information to warrant him being killed by the global conspiracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes you did, as did all of you videos.

    No, I didn't. That was humanji.

    King Mob wrote: »
    So what was special about his information to warrant him being killed by the global conspiracy.

    Um I dunno... The truth?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »

    I wil review that later on, I suggest that you review some of mine.

    I have, I've spent some time researching the guy, his death, etc. To me he seems like a very nice, articulate man.

    I've also researched interviews with Bin Laden, the CNN interview that I strongly believe Cooper is referring to, took place in 1997. There was a second interview with ABC, that was in 1998 but still before the embassy attacks.

    Bin Laden entered the most wanted list because of the embassy attacks that took place in 1998.

    It appears that Cooper believes the interview is very recent in his broadcast in June 2001.


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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    No, I didn't. That was humanji.
    Obelisk wrote: »
    Apart from his 'prediction' (which I've posted above already) his broadcast on the day of 911 is well worth a listen too.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73904760&postcount=9
    The video you posted here is entitled:
    "The Cry of William Cooper (Predicted 9/11)"

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73904417&postcount=7
    This one has the title:
    Bill Cooper's 9/11 NWO Prediction.

    So would you like to continue pretending you didn't say what you did or would you like to actually address the points I made?
    Obelisk wrote: »
    Um I dunno... The truth?
    Well, the word "truth" would have to be liberally applied.
    But there's thousands of others spouting the same "truth", what made him special?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    It appears that Cooper believes the interview is very recent in his broadcast in June 2001.

    That is interesting, I will definately check that out when I have a chance which wont be until later. Thanks for that.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    To me he seems like a very nice, articulate man.

    Truth. (exactly what Cooper was interested in)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    King Mob wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73904760&postcount=9
    The video you posted here is entitled:
    "The Cry of William Cooper (Predicted 9/11)"

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73904417&postcount=7
    This one has the title:
    Bill Cooper's 9/11 NWO Prediction.

    So would you like to continue pretending you didn't say what you did or would you like to actually address the points I made?

    Are you some kind of idiot, or are you just pretending?

    It's pretty obvious that I didnt name those videos. I do recommend viewing them however
    King Mob wrote: »
    Well, there's thousands of others spouting the same "truth", what made him special?

    The quality of his information. His refusal to publish anything that was not documented or already verified as fact. The fact that he wasnt a paid provocateur as many are today. His experience in the intelligence service/ military. The amount of time & money he invested, without seeking anything in return. The assassination attempts on his life and warnings he recieved and ignored... etc, etc, etc.

    I could go on, but I would prefer you listen to all of his shows and information, and then make an informed judgement for yourself.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Are you some kind of idiot, or are you just pretending?

    It's pretty obvious that I didnt name those videos. I do recommend viewing them however
    So then you don't think he actually predicted anything?
    If not, why did you call it a prediction and post videos doing the same?
    Obelisk wrote: »
    The quality of his information. His refusal to publish anything that was not documented or already verified as fact. The fact that he wasnt a paid provocateur as many are today. His experience in the intelligence service/ military. The amount of time & money he invested, without seeking anything in return. The assassination attempts on his life and warnings he recieved and ignored... etc, etc, etc.

    I could go on, but I would prefer you listen to all of his shows and information, and then make an informed judgement for yourself.
    But the quality of his information is no different to any of the crap spouted by any other conspiracy theorist.
    He clearly does publish stuff that was not documented or already verified as fact as he makes a "prediction".

    I'm not going to listen to his shows because there's nothing to show that his shows carry any weight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Are you some kind of idiot, or are you just pretending?
    Cut out the insults!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Obelisk wrote: »
    The quality of his information. His refusal to publish anything that was not documented or already verified as fact. The fact that he wasnt a paid provocateur as many are today. His experience in the intelligence service/ military. The amount of time & money he invested, without seeking anything in return. The assassination attempts on his life and warnings he recieved and ignored... etc, etc, etc.

    But does the source of the info not raise questions? How can people be sure he's not a plant? He was an apparent member of naval intelligence after all. There was an article on Alex Jones site pointing out a fair few points about him which contradict what he's told others about himself (then again, that could be Alex Jones spreading miss info ;) ). I'll try and find the link to it again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Alex Jones is the plant! The main one anyway, pretty crazy.

    Cooper was the first one to call him out and guess what? He was right :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    King Mob wrote: »
    Obelisk wrote: »
    Are you some kind of idiot, or are you just pretending?

    It's pretty obvious that I didnt name those videos. I do recommend viewing them however
    So then you don't think he actually predicted anything?
    If not, why did you call it a prediction and post videos doing the same?
    Obelisk wrote: »
    The quality of his information. His refusal to publish anything that was not documented or already verified as fact. The fact that he wasnt a paid provocateur as many are today. His experience in the intelligence service/ military. The amount of time & money he invested, without seeking anything in return. The assassination attempts on his life and warnings he recieved and ignored... etc, etc, etc.

    I could go on, but I would prefer you listen to all of his shows and information, and then make an informed judgement for yourself.
    But the quality of his information is no different to any of the crap spouted by any other conspiracy theorist.

    What's a conspiracy theorist? Anyway, you are wrong.

    Personally I couldn't give a damn if you listen to his show or not, that's your loss.

    Somebody else might though.

    I didn't post this thread just for your benefit.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    What's a conspiracy theorist? Anyway, you are wrong.

    Personally I couldn't give a damn if you listen to his show or not, that's your loss.

    Somebody else might though.

    I didn't post this thread just for your benefit.
    I seriously doubt I am since he clearly offers nothing that people like Alex Jones offers. And you don't even believe his one claim to fame, predicting 9/11, isn't true.

    But hey this thread isn't for people who might be a bit questioning, so I'll leave you to it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    What is it you are questioning precisely?

    Just to clarify, I never said Cooper predicted 911. I did however paraphrase humanji. I would more call it an insight.

    Alex jones should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Cooper tbh, unless it's about Cooper exposing Jones for the lying scum that he is or Jones caught out plain lying about Cooper after his death.

    Alex Jones is a shill, and a pretty good one at that.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Obelisk wrote: »
    What is it you are questioning precisely?
    What people are telling others to believe.
    You apparently are not.
    Obelisk wrote: »
    Just to clarify, I never said Cooper predicted 911. I did however paraphrase humanji. I would more call it an insight.
    So then we agree that it can't be called a prediction.
    So what exactly was this "insight" based on?
    Obelisk wrote: »
    Alex jones should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Cooper tbh, unless it's about Cooper exposing Jones for the lying scum that he is or Jones caught out plain lying about Cooper after his death.

    Alex Jones is a shill, and a pretty good one at that.
    What exactly is the difference between the two exactly?
    How do you know they just aren't both shills.
    Or that they're just crazy?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    I'm curious, Is this what consitutes a conversation around here?

    Anyway, for anyone reading this I'm on the phone but there is plenty of evidence I can produce that shows AlexJones is a shill.

    Obviously, this does not apply to Cooper.

    I recommend his 'Mystery Babylon' series above all else, some of you should check it out if you haven't already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    That is interesting, I will definately check that out when I have a chance which wont be until later.

    Can't say I like the tone of your statements in most of your posts

    I'm still waiting for this by the way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    That won't until after the weekend.

    Feel free to bump it then, if you wish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Cooper is referring to what he has seen "today" on CNN - June 28, 2001 but isn't he referring to an interview which took place in 1997 with Peter Arnett?



    This is correct. What's your point?

    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Then he says a CNN reporter "found" Osama Bin Laden, yet its quite clear that the reporters were contacted by Bin Laden's people and taken across the border under strict controls and secrecy to conduct the interview.


    I'm curious, did you even read the description of the video you posted?


    Eg:
    FBI 9/11 Reporter John Miller. CIA News Network reporter Peter Arnett. A small group of mainstream network reporters scripted the spooky caveman persona for America to be afraid of. Their stories, were the evidence that was presented, all the evidence ever presented."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    This is correct. What's your point?

    Cooper says in his broadcast (the one you linked) dated June 28 2001..

    "Can you believe what you have been seeing on CNN today"

    However he is referring to an old interview. Not a recent one.

    In that interview from '97, the reporter is taken to meet Osama - they don't "find" him, and under strict control and secrecy.

    Remember this is before OBL's meteoric rise to our attention and the most wanted, because its before the US embassy bombings, the Cole attack and before his indictment.

    Cooper appears to have somehow mistakenly assumed the 4 year old interview is somehow current, and then bases the next part of his broadcast on that notion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Dude. your point is so ridiculous that its not even funny! Well maybe a little bit...

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here- from what I can see, I'm sure you noticed the date on coopers broadcast, right? June 2001. So you decided to look for the Osama interview on youtube, and noticed the date 97-98 (in the video title conveniantly).You immediately thought to yourself "Eureka! I have point!" hence where were are now. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

    Unfortunately for you though, you didnt look any further than that and you dont.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Cooper appears to have somehow mistakenly assumed the 4 year old interview is somehow current, and then bases the next part of his broadcast on that notion.

    So again... Where did you get this idea from???

    (words highlighted in bold for effect) :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Dude. your point is so ridiculous that its not even funny! Well maybe a little bit...

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here- from what I can see, I'm sure you noticed the date on coopers broadcast, right? June 2001. So you decided to look for the Osama interview on youtube, and noticed the date 97-98 (in the video title conveniantly).You immediately thought to yourself "Eureka! I have point!" hence where were are now. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

    Unfortunately for you though, you didnt look any further than that and you dont.



    So again... Where did you get this idea from???

    Cooper thinks the interview is recent - He uses the word "today" not "four years ago" - that's the first mistake.

    He then goes on to say that CNN "found" Bin Laden, they didn't, they were contacted by Bin Laden's people. Another mistake.

    Lastly, the attacks on the US embassy's took place in '98, would've been just a tad harder to secure a "Western" interview with Bin Laden after that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Cooper thinks the interview is recent - He uses the word "today" not "four years ago" - that's the first mistake.

    He then goes on to say that CNN "found" Bin Laden, they didn't, they were contacted by Bin Laden's people. Another mistake.

    Lastly, the attacks on the US embassy's took place in '98, would've been just a tad harder to secure a "Western" interview with Bin Laden after that.


    Lollerskatez... Please... Wont somebody think of the children...

    You should be thinking damage limitation @ this stage, tell me... Is this what you have been 'waiting' all weekend for? :pac:

    Is anyone else reading this? Care to point out the obvious to this chap?

    Lord knows I've tried...

    (You didnt correct me btw, in that case I'm going to have to assume I was bang on the money with my last post :rolleyes:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Well I've been reading it and he has a point. All you've been doing is saying he's wrong but not showing how he could be.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    The onus is on him. What is the point? So far it has eluded me.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Cooper is referring to what he has seen "today" on CNN - June 28, 2001
    but isn't he referring to an interview which took place in 1997 with Peter Arnett?


    Is he? That's your unfounded opinion and I would appreciate if you would substantiate it for the rest of us. Sources please?

    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Then he says a CNN reporter "found" Osama Bin Laden, yet its quite clear that the reporters were contacted by Bin Laden's people and taken across the border under strict controls and secrecy to conduct the interview.


    You dont say? And here was me thinking all along that they may have just happened upon him as one might 'find' a four leaf clover in a field lets say. Here is a definition of the word "found"; (for your learning pleasure)

    Found: Adjective: Having been discovered by chance or unexpectedly, in particular.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »

    Is he? That's your unfounded opinion and I would appreciate if you would substantiate it for the rest of us. Sources please?
    Originally Posted by Obelisk
    Mostly not these days (Alex Jones) but the "real information" is out there.
    Cooper was murdered because that's what he was sharing with us.

    Take this; (as an example)



    AMAZING.

    And still, ten years on people cant figure this one out in their heads...


    In this video you linked Cooper is speaking on June 28, 2001.

    He is talking about an interview that he has seen "today", he repeats the word "today".

    He later says in that broadcast
    "if you don't believe me tune into CNN they're probably running it right now"

    He is actually referring to an interview that is old, from 4 years back.

    The whole basis of that part of Cooper's broadcast is to state how easy it is to find Bin Laden based on the fact that a camera crew has just found Bin Laden. That didn't happen it was Bin Laden's people who approached the CNN team, and took them in under strict controls and secrecy etc.

    As I said before Cooper seems like a nice chap, articulate, but for someone claiming to have such detailed inside knowledge, he seems to slip up on the basic stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    He is talking about an interview that he has seen "today", he repeats the word "today".

    He later says
    "if you don't believe me tune into CNN they're probably running it right now"

    He's referring to an interview that is old, from 4 years back.


    Look I'm a nice chap too, but that still doesnt mean I'm going to allow you to repeatedly blow smoke out of your arse in this thread.

    Show me where "He's referring to an interview that is old, from 4 years back"

    It's a moot point but you insist on pushing it on me. Now prove it.

    PS- The bit you edited in "it would indeed have been impressive if a "Western" camera crew had secured an interview with him in 2001. However 1997 is a different story"

    What does that even mean? Funnily enough you are the only one to mention either of these dates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Look I'm a nice chap too, but that still doesnt mean I'm going to allow you to repeatedly blow smoke out of your arse in this thread.

    Show me where "He's referring to an interview that is old, from 4 years back"

    It's a moot point but you insist on pushing it on me. Now prove it.

    PS- The bit you edited in "it would indeed have been impressive if a "Western" camera crew had secured an interview with him in 2001. However 1997 is a different story"

    What does that even mean? Funnily enough you are the only one to mention either of these dates.

    There are no other interviews with Osama Bin Laden by CNN on or before June 28, 2001, apart from the '97 interview.

    It means, it became a lot harder to interview Bin Laden after he blew up US embassys and a warship than before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    There are no other interviews with Osama Bin Laden by CNN on or before June 28, 2001, apart from the '97 interview.


    I'm curious, did you happen to think the interview went out live? Or what...

    Please allow me to quote from the video you posted, to make your point (which you still haven't reasonably demonstrated IMO).
    [CIA Agent/ News Network reporter] Atwan offers his thoughtful review of the bin Laden video, courtesy of PTI, datelined London June 22, 2001: "[Atwan] said the video was proof that the fugitive Saudi millionaire [the Bruce Wayne of terrorists] was fit, well equipped and confident enough to send out a call to arms." Why this sudden need for proof? According to Atwan in the same article: "There have been rumours that [bin Laden] is ill and that he is being contained by the Taliban in Afghanistan. It is quite clear from the film that he is in good health to the point where he can fire a rifle, and is free to operate as he chooses." In other words, limber enough for his starring role in the months ahead

    Observe the underlined date. So, what was your point again :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    I'm curious, did you happen to think the interview went out live? Or what...

    Please allow me to quote from the video you posted, to make your point (which you still haven't reasonably demonstrated IMO).



    Observe the underlined date. So, what was your point again :pac:

    You are quoting the YOUTUBE user, who's handle is "Irancontrascumbdid911".

    The video simply shows that the CNN interviewed Bin Laden in 1997, not in 2001. There are many other videos I could have chosen that show this, or links from CNN themselves, or the Bin Laden chronology of interviews.

    Here is the full context of your quote from that youtube user

    Leading up to 9/11, by the Spring of 2001, an incriminating wedding videotape, apparently implicating bin Laden in the Yemen bombing, was circulating around the Middle East after being broadcast on the ubiquitous al-Jazeera television station (reconstituted from the BBC TV Arabic Service - more on them later). In the video, bin Laden, according to the Saudi-owned al-Hayat newspaper (more on them later, too), recited a poem celebrating the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole (shades of deja vu here?) This from the ABCNEWS.com site dated March 1: "Al-Hayat, which carried a photo of bin Laden and his son at the wedding, said its correspondent was the only journalist at the ceremony, also attended by bin Laden's mother, two brothers and sister who flew to Kandahar from Saudi Arabia."

    And yes, here, too, Atwan offers his thoughtful review of the bin Laden video, courtesy of PTI, datelined London June 22, 2001: "[Atwan] said the video was proof that the fugitive Saudi millionaire [the Bruce Wayne of terrorists] was fit, well equipped and confident enough to send out a call to arms." Why this sudden need for proof? According to Atwan in the same article: "There have been rumours that [bin Laden] is ill and that he is being contained by the Taliban in Afghanistan. It is quite clear from the film that he is in good health to the point where he can fire a rifle, and is free to operate as he chooses." In other words, limber enough for his starring role in the months ahead.


    The lines bolded above are not a reference to the CNN Bin Laden interview

    Which CNN interview is Cooper referring to in his video if not the 1997 CNN interview?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Which CNN interview is Cooper referring to in his video if not the 1997 CNN interview
    Exactly.


    That seems to be the simple point you have been missing all along here :confused:
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    You are quoting the YOUTUBE user, who's handle is "Irancontrascumbdid911".


    Again I've said previous, I merely quoted from the description of the video you posted, whilst stating to me that "Cooper was wrong" or something to that effect...
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    The video simply shows that the CNN interviewed Bin Laden in 1997, not in 2001.


    EXACTLY . The only person that brought this fact into disrepute is you yourself. Hence my question, whats your point? Nobody said anything otherise.
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    There are many other videos I could have chosen that show this, or links from CNN themselves, or the Bin Laden chronology of interviews.


    That's fine, but you chose not to so I will take liberty on your behalf;



    This video is a mash up of both the clip you posted, and some excerpts from the various clips I posted, I encourage you or anyone else for that matter to point out where "Cooper is wrong" or whatever point it is you were trying to make initially.

    The story/ a story was aired in June 2001 as Cooper states, and as I have already pointed out to you (using your own source may I add)

    Accept the fact- you made a hasty call and were wrong but you don't seem to want to admit it, and have chosen to argue instead.

    Why you are still clutching at straws at this stage is beyond me . Just sayin'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Obelisk wrote: »
    Exactly.


    That seems to be the simple point you have been missing all along here :confused:




    Again I've said previous, I merely quoted from the description of the video you posted, whilst stating to me that "Cooper was wrong" or something to that effect...




    EXACTLY . The only person that brought this fact into disrepute is you yourself. Hence my question, whats your point? Nobody said anything otherise.




    That's fine, but you chose not to so I will take liberty on your behalf;


    This video is a mash up of both the clip you posted, and some excerpts from the various clips I posted, I encourage you or anyone else for that matter to point out where "Cooper is wrong" or whatever point it is you were trying to make initially.

    The story/ a story was aired in June 2001 as Cooper states, and as I have already pointed out to you (using your own source may I add)

    Accept the fact- you made a hasty call and were wrong but you don't seem to want to admit it, and have chosen to argue instead.

    Why you are still clutching at straws at this stage is beyond me . Just sayin'

    Cooper, June 2001, referring to a 1997 interview

    "How about that, they are doing the same thing today with Osama Bin Laden"

    "Can you believe what you have been seeing on CNN today ladies and gentlemen"

    "if you don't believe me tune into CNN they're probably running it right now"

    Here's the facts, in 1997 Bin Laden granted CNN an interview, which was conducted under strict control. Four years later Cooper is on the radio asking his viewers to tune into CNN to see the interview and that the CNN crew "found" Bin Laden, constantly using the word "today" as if its just recently happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 456 ✭✭Obelisk


    FYI- The smoking gun. From the horses mouth;
    Baker Atyani is a former Middle East Broadcasting Co. bureau chief in Pakistan. He was summoned to meet bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in June 2001 near Kandahar, Afghanistan, for an interview, but when he arrived they would not do an on-camera interview. Atyani spent a few hours with bin Laden and al-Zawahair and said the two dropped hints about what would become the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States. Interviewed in Pakistan.

    http://edition.cnn.com/services/presents.opk/bin.laden/more.htm


    And again;
    BAKER ATYANI, MET BIN LADEN: My name is Baker Atyani. And I met with bin Laden on the 21st of June 2001, in Kandahar City, Afghanistan.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0708/17/se.01.html


    Cooper was telling the truth. Case closed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭Di0genes


    I haven't been following this argument really,

    But why does Cooper think it remarkable that Atyani managed to meet with Bin Laden?


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